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2012-07-20 11:56:14 AM
Baby steps.
 
2012-07-20 11:58:18 AM
About time.
 
2012-07-20 11:59:03 AM
Wow.

That said, this isn't heroic.
 
2012-07-20 12:01:00 PM
Follow-up: Dumbass students form human wall between bulldozer and statue.

And they don't deserve the hero tag, they deserve the obvious tag, since it's obvious it needed to come down. The hero tag would've been warranted had they performed these actions the second they were brough to attention.
 
2012-07-20 12:05:23 PM
They better get the riot police and National Guard ready.
 
2012-07-20 12:07:13 PM

sigdiamond2000: They better get the riot police and National Guard ready.


I hope ESPN or someone covers the removal/clash.
 
2012-07-20 12:07:55 PM
That's not enough. They need to tear the school down, brick by brick. It's the only way to make sure that the students who had no knowledge of the crimes are made to suffer for the few administrators that did.
 
2012-07-20 12:13:00 PM

WTF Indeed: That's not enough. They need to tear the school down, brick by brick.


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It's the only way to be sure
 
2012-07-20 12:13:10 PM

WTF Indeed: That's not enough. They need to tear the school down, brick by brick. It's the only way to make sure that the students who had no knowledge of the crimes are made to suffer for the few administrators that did.


Yep, nevar forget who the true victims are here:

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2012-07-20 12:17:41 PM

sigdiamond2000: Yep, nevar forget who the true victims are here:


The kids who got abused?

The question you need to ask yourself is who are villains? Could the villains be JoePa, the president of the school, the board of trustees, the local police who refused to arrest Sandusky for a decade, the DA who refused to charge him in 2000, the AG of PA, now governor, who knew that Sandusky was raping kids but did nothing to stop it because Sandusky and the members of the Second Mile Club were large GOP donors and the party wanted to win the 2010 elections?
 
2012-07-20 12:22:40 PM

WTF Indeed: sigdiamond2000: Yep, nevar forget who the true victims are here:

The kids who got abused?

The question you need to ask yourself is who are villains? Could the villains be JoePa, the president of the school, the board of trustees, the local police who refused to arrest Sandusky for a decade, the DA who refused to charge him in 2000, the AG of PA, now governor, who knew that Sandusky was raping kids but did nothing to stop it because Sandusky and the members of the Second Mile Club were large GOP donors and the party wanted to win the 2010 elections?


There's plenty of blame to go around, including, but not limited to the football program.
 
2012-07-20 12:27:33 PM

WTF Indeed: The question you need to ask yourself is who are villains?


The administration that helped cover it up. They are the ones being punished. The students would be able to take their financial aid and transfer to another school, and still get the same education, not be punished, etc etc.

Why are you so against the right people being punished here?
 
2012-07-20 12:29:38 PM

Krymson Tyde: There's plenty of blame to go around, including, but not limited to the football program.


Who is more to blame. The football program or the people who actively did nothing while children were being raped because reporting it would hurt them. The college admins didn't report it because it would hurt the school, the police and DA didn't report it for the same reason. The AG didn't do anything about it because he needed money to fund the GOP.

I don't give a shiat about football, but canceling the football program doesn't punish anyone that should be rightly punished. It only makes radio show hosts feel good.
 
2012-07-20 12:31:30 PM

WTF Indeed: Krymson Tyde: There's plenty of blame to go around, including, but not limited to the football program.

Who is more to blame. The football program or the people who actively did nothing while children were being raped because reporting it would hurt them. The college admins didn't report it because it would hurt the school, the police and DA didn't report it for the same reason. The AG didn't do anything about it because he needed money to fund the GOP.

I don't give a shiat about football, but canceling the football program doesn't punish anyone that should be rightly punished. It only makes radio show hosts feel good.


Wrong. Canceling the program removes the institution that was working so hard to cover up the child abuse in the first place. The entire town is incredibly tied into the football program. They're all crying that they'll suffer. Cut the ties, let them fall, and then allow them the space that they need in order to build themselves back up- SANS the close ties to the football program.
 
2012-07-20 12:34:01 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: The administration that helped cover it up.


Is no longer there. So punishing the school now is the same as firing someone than punishing his replacement for former employees crimes.

The My Little Pony Killer: Why are you so against the right people being punished here?


How does canceling the football program punish the AG for not arresting Sandusky in 2005 when he knew he was molesting kids?
 
2012-07-20 12:34:42 PM

Krymson Tyde: sigdiamond2000: They better get the riot police and National Guard ready.

I hope ESPN or someone covers the removal/clash.


I'd love it if the kids in the physics department went all "Real Genius" and just reduced the thing to molten bronze with a big-ass laser
 
2012-07-20 12:36:48 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Wrong. Canceling the program removes the institution that was working so hard to cover up the child abuse in the first place. The entire town is incredibly tied into the football program. They're all crying that they'll suffer. Cut the ties, let them fall, and then allow them the space that they need in order to build themselves back up- SANS the close ties to the football program.


Have you ever been to State College? Or are you judging what PSU is on your frame of reference which is football?
 
2012-07-20 12:38:40 PM

WTF Indeed: The My Little Pony Killer: The administration that helped cover it up.

Is no longer there. So punishing the school now is the same as firing someone than punishing his replacement for former employees crimes.

The My Little Pony Killer: Why are you so against the right people being punished here?

How does canceling the football program punish the AG for not arresting Sandusky in 2005 when he knew he was molesting kids?


Well it cuts off a cash cow for Pennslyvania STATE University, thereby extracting some measure of revenge on officials of both the University and the State who aided and abetted child rape.

Time to go look at the Unversity boosters with a fine toothed comb. I will lay dollars to donuts that a few more pedophiles are revealed to be in their ranks and it will come out that Sandusky traded donations for access to his stable
 
2012-07-20 12:43:14 PM
I can't wait to see the video!
 
2012-07-20 12:43:39 PM

Magorn: Well it cuts off a cash cow for Pennslyvania STATE University, thereby extracting some measure of revenge on officials of both the University and the State who aided and abetted child rape.


The Governor can't use Penn State as a political slush fund.

Magorn: Time to go look at the Unversity boosters with a fine toothed comb. I will lay dollars to donuts that a few more pedophiles are revealed to be in their ranks and it will come out that Sandusky traded donations for access to his stable


It's the members of the Second Mile Charity that are large GOP donors, not the school.
 
2012-07-20 12:48:33 PM

WTF Indeed: The My Little Pony Killer: Wrong. Canceling the program removes the institution that was working so hard to cover up the child abuse in the first place. The entire town is incredibly tied into the football program. They're all crying that they'll suffer. Cut the ties, let them fall, and then allow them the space that they need in order to build themselves back up- SANS the close ties to the football program.

Have you ever been to State College? Or are you judging what PSU is on your frame of reference which is football?


He obviously doesn't know the layout of the campus, let alone the economics or the spirit of the law.

Basically it's just a bunch of people who are angry with no outlet. Kids got molested. BY SANDUSKY. Go to jail, haul him out, string him up. Oh wait, that would make sense and also be illegal. Joe Pa and Spanier covered it up. Let's get them! Oh wait, one's dead and the other's gone pecan. Finding him woul be work.

Oh, I know! Let's punish the students and alumni with draconian punishments that would only affect people who couldn't possibly have been involved in any way shape or form. Yeah, that's the ticket.
 
2012-07-20 12:51:58 PM
Internet Lynch Mob: 1

Pen State Pedos: 10 (that we know of)
 
2012-07-20 12:52:00 PM
Looks like pretty unofficial news to me. Greenlight it after it's not just some random unsubstantiated tweets.
 
2012-07-20 12:54:56 PM
The football program is already mostly dead. How many top high school prospects are going to consider Penn State now? Or next year? Or the year after that?

The fork has already been stuck into that program. It's done for a decade at least.
 
2012-07-20 12:58:10 PM
I don't think it is appropriate to have a statue honoring a man who allowed children to get sexually abused and assisted in covering it up and then lied to a grand jury about it. it should come down.
 
2012-07-20 01:03:24 PM

Marcus Aurelius: The football program is already mostly dead. How many top high school prospects are going to consider Penn State now? Or next year? Or the year after that?

The fork has already been stuck into that program. It's done for a decade at least.


There's a LOT (3.985 imperial shiat tons) of people who go to Penn State for a variety of reasons. When I was there it was 80,000 students and faculty on campus. These are the same people guarding the statue. There's a lot of pride in and around the university as a whole in PA.

Unlike the internet hate machine, locals have a vested interest in the school's success. There'll be plenty of people willing to go there to prove Penn State's better than some perv and his bad administrator buddies. Top tier? Maybe not. But we'll still have a program.
 
2012-07-20 01:07:31 PM
This just in: Universities are places of learning, not sports farm teams.
 
2012-07-20 01:08:01 PM
Melt it down, cast a bronze statue of Pedobear to put in its place.

/Shotacat would be better but is not as well known
 
2012-07-20 01:11:24 PM

WTF Indeed: The My Little Pony Killer: The administration that helped cover it up.

Is no longer there. So punishing the school now is the same as firing someone than punishing his replacement for former employees crimes.

The My Little Pony Killer: Why are you so against the right people being punished here?

How does canceling the football program punish the AG for not arresting Sandusky in 2005 when he knew he was molesting kids?


You know what? fark you, and fark Penn State. That whole farking town created a cult of personality that fostered this whole criminal conspiracy. The administrators and JoePa didn't cover up CHILD RAPE in a farking vacuum. The sickening behavior of the Penn State student population only reinforces that fact. They need to be beaten and whipped by the press and the NCAA, and the whole athletic department needs a multi-year ban from NCAA competition. People with athletic scholarships should be allowed to stay at Penn State with their original scholarship intact or be allowed to transfer to another program penalty-free.
 
2012-07-20 01:13:03 PM

Fark It: WTF Indeed: The My Little Pony Killer: The administration that helped cover it up.

Is no longer there. So punishing the school now is the same as firing someone than punishing his replacement for former employees crimes.

The My Little Pony Killer: Why are you so against the right people being punished here?

How does canceling the football program punish the AG for not arresting Sandusky in 2005 when he knew he was molesting kids?

You know what? fark you, and fark Penn State. That whole farking town created a cult of personality that fostered this whole criminal conspiracy. The administrators and JoePa didn't cover up CHILD RAPE in a farking vacuum. The sickening behavior of the Penn State student population only reinforces that fact. They need to be beaten and whipped by the press and the NCAA, and the whole athletic department needs a multi-year ban from NCAA competition. People with athletic scholarships should be allowed to stay at Penn State with their original scholarship intact or be allowed to transfer to another program penalty-free.


Your tact and decorum does wonders to support your logical and informed opinions.
 
2012-07-20 01:13:06 PM
This really shouldn't be an issue. Not because of the whole Sandusky thing, but because the idea of having a statue for a football coach on a college campus is ridiculous. They should all be removed.
 
2012-07-20 01:13:36 PM

doglover: Oh, I know! Let's punish the students and alumni with draconian punishments that would only affect people who couldn't possibly have been involved in any way shape or form. Yeah, that's the ticket.


Draconian? Being a little dramatic are we?

While it is unfortunate that the students & alumni who had no hand in the situation will be "punished," I think it's still important for the NCAA to send the message that this type of behavior will not be tolerated & they won't look the other way. You know... the way Penn State did?
 
2012-07-20 01:13:42 PM
The Board of Trustees and administration of Penn State should be ripped apart for not acting to protect the victims of Sandusky's child abuse, but even as cowardly as they were, they would have moved if "Joe Pa" had been on board.

Ultimately, the blame for the cover-up rests with Paterno.
 
2012-07-20 01:14:14 PM

Fark It: You know what? fark you, and fark Penn State. That whole farking town created a cult of personality that fostered this whole criminal conspiracy. The administrators and JoePa didn't cover up CHILD RAPE in a farking vacuum. The sickening behavior of the Penn State student population only reinforces that fact. They need to be beaten and whipped by the press and the NCAA, and the whole athletic department needs a multi-year ban from NCAA competition. People with athletic scholarships should be allowed to stay at Penn State with their original scholarship intact or be allowed to transfer to another program penalty-free.


Governor Corbett, is that you?
 
2012-07-20 01:17:30 PM
good. it's a step in the right direction, an indication that the administration is starting to understand that protecting the Paterno cult is a bad thing to do.
 
2012-07-20 01:21:25 PM
I was expecting them to just cover it up for 14 years.
 
2012-07-20 01:23:20 PM

doglover: You know what? fark you, and fark Penn State. That whole farking town created a cult of personality that fostered this whole criminal conspiracy. The administrators and JoePa didn't cover up CHILD RAPE in a farking vacuum. The sickening behavior of the Penn State student population only reinforces that fact. They need to be beaten and whipped by the press and the NCAA, and the whole athletic department needs a multi-year ban from NCAA competition. People with athletic scholarships should be allowed to stay at Penn State with their original scholarship intact or be allowed to transfer to another program penalty-free.

Your tact and decorum does wonders to support your logical and informed opinions.


Tact and decorum must be maintained when discussing the systemic cover up of child rape, otherwise it might give drunk, frat douche college football fans a tummy ache.

And, really, haven't they suffered enough?
 
2012-07-20 01:24:36 PM

Di Atribe: doglover: Oh, I know! Let's punish the students and alumni with draconian punishments that would only affect people who couldn't possibly have been involved in any way shape or form. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Draconian? Being a little dramatic are we?

While it is unfortunate that the students & alumni who had no hand in the situation will be "punished," I think it's still important for the NCAA to send the message that this type of behavior will not be tolerated & they won't look the other way. You know... the way Penn State did?


Draconian is exactly what it is to hand out severe legal penalties to parties undeserving. He (the namesake of draconian laws) handed down death for everything from stealing to sloth.

None of the students did anything to aid or were even aware of this cover up. It all happened ages ago, and the people you want to punish are dead and already in jail for life. Nothing you do now to the University will hit the people who caused your emotional hurt. It would be like the USAF bombing Tokyo again tomorrow because of what happened at Pearl Harbor.
 
2012-07-20 01:25:38 PM
please stop feeding the troll.

also:

commentisfree.guardian.co.uk
 
2012-07-20 01:27:40 PM

Di Atribe: send the message that this type of behavior will not be tolerated & they won't look the other way


I guess being fired, vilified throughout the nation and potentially jailed isn't a deterrent, but taking away a football program would stop people from covering things up. Because threat of sanctions against a football program has prevented coaches and administrators from doing other unethical things that are within the NCAA's scope of control.
 
2012-07-20 01:28:49 PM
The real question you want to ask yourself is do you want the right people punished, or do you just want people punished?

Because punishing the right people takes longer to accomplish.
 
2012-07-20 01:28:56 PM

sigdiamond2000: WTF Indeed: That's not enough. They need to tear the school down, brick by brick. It's the only way to make sure that the students who had no knowledge of the crimes are made to suffer for the few administrators that did.

Yep, nevar forget who the true victims are here:

[cdn.bleacherreport.net image 650x440]


They'll think about JoePa each time they shave each others' chests and lovingly apply the paint to each others' abdomens.
 
2012-07-20 01:30:57 PM

WTF Indeed: The real question you want to ask yourself is do you want the right people punished, or do you just want people punished?

Because punishing the right people takes longer to accomplish.


Well, going Saddam-statue on JoPa is a punishment to the angry mob that rushed to judgement that JoPa was not complicit. The other offenders will get their day in court when they get the shiat sued out of them.
 
2012-07-20 01:31:28 PM

IAmRight: Di Atribe: send the message that this type of behavior will not be tolerated & they won't look the other way

I guess being fired, vilified throughout the nation and potentially jailed isn't a deterrent, but taking away a football program would stop people from covering things up. Because threat of sanctions against a football program has prevented coaches and administrators from doing other unethical things that are within the NCAA's scope of control.


Part of the problem is that many in Happy Valley don't understand that Paterno was a vile excuse for a human being. "Other unethical things" is really weak in comparison to "paying a cash bonus to a serial child rapist and ensuring he has continued access to the rape facilities in addition to his freedom while the victims, ever growing in number, suffer in silence."
 
2012-07-20 01:33:04 PM

doglover:

None of the students did anything to aid or were even aware of this cover up. It all happened ages ago, and the people you want to punish are dead and already in jail for life. Nothing you do now to the University will hit the people who caused your emotional hurt. It would be like the USAF bombing Tokyo again tomorrow because of what happened at Pearl Harbor.


do you not understand the concept of 'corporate culture'? An organization can develop an internal culture that perpetuates it's values beyond the lifespan of any single individual. And what Paterno did to Penn State was to foster a poisonous culture that said 'protect the football program at all costs'. That has to change...and the only way to change it, is to significantly purge the football program of most of its people. That's what we did with Japan and Germany at the end of WWII - we went through their culture, their government, their economy and we rebuilt them from the ground up. We should do the same with Penn State - rebuild it from the ground up.
 
2012-07-20 01:33:30 PM

doglover: WTF Indeed: The My Little Pony Killer: Wrong. Canceling the program removes the institution that was working so hard to cover up the child abuse in the first place. The entire town is incredibly tied into the football program. They're all crying that they'll suffer. Cut the ties, let them fall, and then allow them the space that they need in order to build themselves back up- SANS the close ties to the football program.

Have you ever been to State College? Or are you judging what PSU is on your frame of reference which is football?

He obviously doesn't know the layout of the campus, let alone the economics or the spirit of the law.

Basically it's just a bunch of people who are angry with no outlet. Kids got molested. BY SANDUSKY. Go to jail, haul him out, string him up. Oh wait, that would make sense and also be illegal. Joe Pa and Spanier covered it up. Let's get them! Oh wait, one's dead and the other's gone pecan. Finding him woul be work.

Oh, I know! Let's punish the students and alumni with draconian punishments that would only affect people who couldn't possibly have been involved in any way shape or form. Yeah, that's the ticket.


You know there are three kinds of justice generally recognized as underlying the philosophies of our criminal justice system:
1) Rehabilitative Justice: generally out of favor these days, it is the idea that the criminal punishement should consider ways to allow the crimional to reform/better themselves and re-entry society as a productive citizen
2)Punitive Justice: That the state standing int he shoes of the victim has a right/duty to extract some manner of revenge on the offender equal to the harm they caused.

and, most importnatly from a societal perspective:
3) Exemplary Justice: That the punishement of the offender serve as an example and warning to others criminally inclined and be severe enough to make them hesitate from ever doing something similar.

You can argue the "innocence" of the student body, the student atheletes, etc all you want. The simple fact is, it does not matter. An example MUST be made of Penn State or this or worse, WILL happen again. The rank and file partner at Arthur Anderson was an honest, hard-working accountant who thought they had a job for life and never did anything wrong. But people at the top of Arthur Andersen did some VERY wrong things and allowed the Enron scandal to happen. The company DESERVED the "death penalty" it got, even if that meant that thousands of "innocent" workers were sudden on the street with no jobs

Same thing here. The NCAA MUST expel Penn State completely and permanently or surrender all its remaining credibility as the policeman of college sports. ( iwould pass a rule saying any NCAA school could offer a scholarship to a Penn State athelete, and have it not count against their scholarship caps (make them freebies essentially).

Penn State as an instutition should dynamite their football stadium and never again have a football program. Perhaps they can have intermural basketball or baseball or whatever, but football needs to be done at that school forever. (See Chiacago, Univeristy of, for precedent on how this works)
 
2012-07-20 01:33:31 PM

WTF Indeed: Krymson Tyde: There's plenty of blame to go around, including, but not limited to the football program.

Who is more to blame. The football program or the people who actively did nothing while children were being raped because reporting it would hurt them. The college admins didn't report it because it would hurt the school, the police and DA didn't report it for the same reason. The AG didn't do anything about it because he needed money to fund the GOP.

I don't give a shiat about football, but canceling the football program doesn't punish anyone that should be rightly punished. It only makes radio show hosts feel good.


Of course, any other football program watching this will make what decision under similar circumstances?
 
2012-07-20 01:34:31 PM
I heard they weren't tearing it down but moving it to the library where it can remind everyone to keep quiet.
 
2012-07-20 01:35:20 PM
DAMNATIO MEMORIAE!!!
 
2012-07-20 01:37:03 PM

SlothB77: please stop feeding the troll.


SORRY


IAmRight: I guess being fired, vilified throughout the nation and potentially jailed isn't a deterrent, but taking away a football program would stop people from covering things up. Because threat of sanctions against a football program has prevented coaches and administrators from doing other unethical things that are within the NCAA's scope of control.


Well. It may lead to someone thinking twice should the situation arise in the future. A top administrator is faced with the decision about whether he should brush a bad PR story under the rug or deal with it immediately. Does he think, "oh we should be fine" or "Penn State got the hammer & I don't want that here."

Also, you used too much sarcasm in your post. You should maybe just say what you mean next time.
 
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