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2012-07-20 07:05:56 PM

Mercutio74: pxsteel: Holy farking christ. Every excuse in the book for why someone does not have an ID. People, it's 4 months until the election. Go get and ID, on a yearly basis, it is a couple of bucks max. It will come in handy for 10X of other stuff than voting. Yeah it s#cks going to the DMV, well, it s#cks for everyone. Have you ever heard anyone say i'm so happy, I get to go to the DMV today. You might have to miss Maury or have to drag 4 kids to the DMV on a Saturday morning. So what, it's life, it s#cks sometimes.

for g@ds sakes, grow up

Exactly, so what if it's an unconstitutional political ploy designed to disenfranchise likely Dem voters... no biggie.


Go get an ID. Show them, that they are not going to disenfranchise you. You will be better off, because whole new worlds will be open to you.
 
2012-07-20 07:18:39 PM

sdd2000: pxsteel: Mercutio74: pxsteel: Didn't you have to show ID to get your passport?

I did... but my passport costs a lot more than a driver's license and a hell of a lot more than "free". But then having a passport isn't a right that is mandated to be free, voting is.

So your problem is the ID is a poll tax?

You have to give an address to register. Does this mean your rent is a poll tax?


"[A]a state violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution whenever it makes the affluence of the voter or payment of any fee an electoral standard. Voter qualifications have no relation to wealth." Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections, 383 U.S. 663 (1966) (emphasis mine)


So would you be OK with it as long as it didn't cost any money? Everyone get a free ID that can be used for voting?
 
2012-07-20 07:28:27 PM

pxsteel:

for g@ds sakes, grow up


Hey thickboy, I know your small brain can only think small thoughts, but consider the bigger picture for a moment if you can. It's not the ID that's the main issue in this an many, many, MANY other threads, it's the fact that (gonna type slowly now) REPUBLICAN ASSHOLES ARE TRYING TO USE THESE TYPES OF LAWS TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE VOTING AND INCREASE THEIR CANDIDATES CHANCES OF WINNING ELECTIONS.

They can't win on policy.
They can't win with facts.
They can't win with logic.
They can't win simply by pouring cash into the pot.
They can't win on their platform.
And nobody but corporations and wingnuts likes them or their candidates.

So what do the republicans do? They cheat.
That's the point.

See, if they could show minorities why the R's would be better for them... if they could show women why the R's would be better for them... if they could show the LGBT folks why the R's would be better for them... if they could show the poors why the R's would be better for them... if they could show non-christians why the R's would be better for them... the R's might be able to win without cheating.

Problem is, they can't.

As it is, the D's don't want to relegate minorities to second class citizenship... the D's don't want to push women back into the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant... the D's don't want gays and lesbians back in the closet... the D's don't want the poor to starve or become homeless... and the D's don't want anyone to have fear, be persecuted, or discriminated against for practicing their religion or non-religion.

They don't want what the R's want..

Once again - it's not the ID, it's the republican assholiness in purposely trying to prevent people from voting which galls people, and is about as unamerican and treasonous as any act short of presidential assassination there is.
 
2012-07-20 07:32:55 PM

CujoQuarrel: sdd2000: pxsteel: Mercutio74: pxsteel: Didn't you have to show ID to get your passport?

I did... but my passport costs a lot more than a driver's license and a hell of a lot more than "free". But then having a passport isn't a right that is mandated to be free, voting is.

So your problem is the ID is a poll tax?

You have to give an address to register. Does this mean your rent is a poll tax?


"[A]a state violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution whenever it makes the affluence of the voter or payment of any fee an electoral standard. Voter qualifications have no relation to wealth." Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections, 383 U.S. 663 (1966) (emphasis mine)

So would you be OK with it as long as it didn't cost any money? Everyone get a free ID that can be used for voting?


You know. if you truly can't afford 2 dollars a year. yours is free. If you are really that bad off, I feel for ya, keep your chin up and hang in there, things will get better.
 
2012-07-20 07:40:41 PM

pxsteel: Go get an ID. Show them, that they are not going to disenfranchise you. You will be better off, because whole new worlds will be open to you.


Yup. I'll farking show you guys! You curtail my constitutional rights... well I'm gonna... ummmm... I guess comply.

Bravo USA.

I mean honestly, it's an election. If you're worried about fraud, why not use the Canadian system? It's free if you don't have ID, but there's still oversight. Unless, of course, the goal is to disenfranchise people.
 
2012-07-20 08:07:07 PM

Weaver95: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Weaver95: I'd tend to assume corruption over conspiracy in cases like this one.

You forgot "incompetence". There's always room for incompetence.

well that too...but in this case, it's mostly corruption.


It's enough to make you miss Ed Rendell.
 
2012-07-20 08:35:29 PM

pxsteel: Holy farking christ. Every excuse in the book for why someone does not have an ID. People, it's 4 months until the election. Go get and ID, on a yearly basis, it is a couple of bucks max. It will come in handy for 10X of other stuff than voting. Yeah it s#cks going to the DMV, well, it s#cks for everyone. Have you ever heard anyone say i'm so happy, I get to go to the DMV today. You might have to miss Maury or have to drag 4 kids to the DMV on a Saturday morning. So what, it's life, it s#cks sometimes.

for g@ds sakes, grow up


Have you ever interacted with an impoverished person? Did you ever think that going to the DMV might be an actual burden for someone besides yourself?

Oh, that's right, you lack any empathy at all.

// I've got to return some videotapes
 
2012-07-20 08:59:37 PM

rewind2846: pxsteel:

for g@ds sakes, grow up

Hey thickboy, I know your small brain can only think small thoughts, but consider the bigger picture for a moment if you can. It's not the ID that's the main issue in this an many, many, MANY other threads, it's the fact that (gonna type slowly now) REPUBLICAN ASSHOLES ARE TRYING TO USE THESE TYPES OF LAWS TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE VOTING AND INCREASE THEIR CANDIDATES CHANCES OF WINNING ELECTIONS.

They can't win on policy.
They can't win with facts.
They can't win with logic.
They can't win simply by pouring cash into the pot.
They can't win on their platform.
And nobody but corporations and wingnuts likes them or their candidates.

So what do the republicans do? They cheat.
That's the point.

See, if they could show minorities why the R's would be better for them... if they could show women why the R's would be better for them... if they could show the LGBT folks why the R's would be better for them... if they could show the poors why the R's would be better for them... if they could show non-christians why the R's would be better for them... the R's might be able to win without cheating.

Problem is, they can't.

As it is, the D's don't want to relegate minorities to second class citizenship... the D's don't want to push women back into the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant... the D's don't want gays and lesbians back in the closet... the D's don't want the poor to starve or become homeless... and the D's don't want anyone to have fear, be persecuted, or discriminated against for practicing their religion or non-religion.

They don't want what the R's want..

Once again - it's not the ID, it's the republican assholiness in purposely trying to prevent people from voting which galls people, and is about as unamerican and treasonous as any act short of presidential assassination there is.


Hey persecuted one. The GOP has been pushing this for years, this is not new. If you are standing in 2012 and don't have an Id, you are not being an active participant in society.

The GOP is concerned, and is probably correct. If people will 'cheat' the IRS they will probably cheat in voting. There is no reason not to have an ID

Instead of fixing the problem in their own base, the Dems just stand back and yell evil republicans
 
2012-07-20 09:11:47 PM

pxsteel: rewind2846: pxsteel:

for g@ds sakes, grow up

Hey thickboy, I know your small brain can only think small thoughts, but consider the bigger picture for a moment if you can. It's not the ID that's the main issue in this an many, many, MANY other threads, it's the fact that (gonna type slowly now) REPUBLICAN ASSHOLES ARE TRYING TO USE THESE TYPES OF LAWS TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE VOTING AND INCREASE THEIR CANDIDATES CHANCES OF WINNING ELECTIONS.

They can't win on policy.
They can't win with facts.
They can't win with logic.
They can't win simply by pouring cash into the pot.
They can't win on their platform.
And nobody but corporations and wingnuts likes them or their candidates.

So what do the republicans do? They cheat.
That's the point.

See, if they could show minorities why the R's would be better for them... if they could show women why the R's would be better for them... if they could show the LGBT folks why the R's would be better for them... if they could show the poors why the R's would be better for them... if they could show non-christians why the R's would be better for them... the R's might be able to win without cheating.

Problem is, they can't.

As it is, the D's don't want to relegate minorities to second class citizenship... the D's don't want to push women back into the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant... the D's don't want gays and lesbians back in the closet... the D's don't want the poor to starve or become homeless... and the D's don't want anyone to have fear, be persecuted, or discriminated against for practicing their religion or non-religion.

They don't want what the R's want..

Once again - it's not the ID, it's the republican assholiness in purposely trying to prevent people from voting which galls people, and is about as unamerican and treasonous as any act short of presidential assassination there is.

Hey persecuted one. The GOP has been pushing this for years, this is not new. If you are standing in 2012 and don't have an Id, you are not being an active participant in society.

The GOP is concerned, and is probably correct. If people will 'cheat' the IRS they will probably cheat in voting. There is no reason not to have an ID

Instead of fixing the problem in their own base, the Dems just stand back and yell evil republicans


You have to have an ID to be a participant in society? How hard is it for you to imagine that some people aren't exactly like you?
 
2012-07-20 09:16:58 PM
Demanding 100% compliance for something that affects millions of people is a asinine and illogical.
 
2012-07-20 09:24:21 PM

pxsteel: Holy farking christ. Every excuse in the book for why someone does not have an ID. People, it's 4 months until the election. Go get and ID, on a yearly basis, it is a couple of bucks max. It will come in handy for 10X of other stuff than voting. Yeah it s#cks going to the DMV, well, it s#cks for everyone. Have you ever heard anyone say i'm so happy, I get to go to the DMV today. You might have to miss Maury or have to drag 4 kids to the DMV on a Saturday morning. So what, it's life, it s#cks sometimes.

for g@ds sakes, grow up


Most people suffer the Department of Motor VEHICLES so they can drive. Most people suffer Fark tirades like yours so that they realize they're family, friends and co-workers aren't the only hopeless oxygen poachers in the world.
 
2012-07-20 09:50:33 PM

pxsteel: Holy farking christ. Every excuse in the book for why someone does not have an ID. People, it's 4 months until the election. Go get and ID, on a yearly basis, it is a couple of bucks max. It will come in handy for 10X of other stuff than voting. Yeah it s#cks going to the DMV, well, it s#cks for everyone. Have you ever heard anyone say i'm so happy, I get to go to the DMV today. You might have to miss Maury or have to drag 4 kids to the DMV on a Saturday morning. So what, it's life, it s#cks sometimes.

for g@ds sakes, grow up


As will you, when the courts slap you down? You are going to lose the election anyway.
If you are going to be a dick, be a dick when there is a point to it.
 
2012-07-20 10:00:01 PM

pxsteel: Holy farking christ. Every excuse in the book for why someone does not have an ID. People, it's 4 months until the election. Go get and ID, on a yearly basis, it is a couple of bucks max. It will come in handy for 10X of other stuff than voting. Yeah it s#cks going to the DMV, well, it s#cks for everyone. Have you ever heard anyone say i'm so happy, I get to go to the DMV today. You might have to miss Maury or have to drag 4 kids to the DMV on a Saturday morning. So what, it's life, it s#cks sometimes.

for g@ds sakes, grow up


So what happens when a state introduces a law allowing for free ID cards, and then closes the only place they give them away at(SC-DMV) in a county for "budget cutbacks" in predominantly minority areas?

/It's still free*
//*Provided you can find a way to go 40 miles each direction with no transportation, and have a Social Security card and/or birth cirtificate that aren't free.
 
2012-07-20 10:05:21 PM

qorkfiend: My general question is why private companies, and not public entities, are used to inform the public about public laws passed by public officials.


Outsourcing.
 
2012-07-20 10:23:04 PM

ps69: They are paying a republican stacked private PR firm to do PR for a law that wasn't needed based on invented facts because...small government and limited spending?

Remember, poor black people are welfare queens and strapping young bucks eating t-bone steaks on your dime. These PR firm owners did it all on their own, pulled up by their own bootstraps and had no help (in helping themselves to taxpayer funds signed off on by their fellow college republicans they met at a college that was paid for by themselves, albeit out of a trust fund).


Now, now. That sort of thing might be pornographic. Mitt Romney doesn't like that.
 
2012-07-20 10:54:40 PM

pxsteel: CujoQuarrel: sdd2000: pxsteel: Mercutio74: pxsteel: Didn't you have to show ID to get your passport?

I did... but my passport costs a lot more than a driver's license and a hell of a lot more than "free". But then having a passport isn't a right that is mandated to be free, voting is.

So your problem is the ID is a poll tax?

You have to give an address to register. Does this mean your rent is a poll tax?


"[A]a state violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution whenever it makes the affluence of the voter or payment of any fee an electoral standard. Voter qualifications have no relation to wealth." Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections, 383 U.S. 663 (1966) (emphasis mine)

So would you be OK with it as long as it didn't cost any money? Everyone get a free ID that can be used for voting?

You know. if you truly can't afford 2 dollars a year. yours is free. If you are really that bad off, I feel for ya, keep your chin up and hang in there, things will get better.


In my case, I live in Texas where a similar law is being considered. I'm worried about people being disenfranchised from being too poor to pay the poll tax that you're claiming isn't one.

But I'm more worried about the potential for abuse by the people verifying ID at the polls. Instead of the single, state issued voter id card that Texas issues, there is a list of acceptable ID. Texas still has some scary-ass racist parts.

How about that. Suddenly instead of any of this list being required, we need to see everything on the list. Are you sure this is your driver's license? You don't look this old. I don't see how you can say this is your eye color. This ID looks fake. Your address on this bill says drive instead of avenue.

You expect black people in Jasper or Vidor to trust local poll workers to uphold the law consistently?
 
2012-07-20 10:58:02 PM

pxsteel: If you are standing in 2012 and don't have an Id, you are not being an active participant in society.


Active participant? In a society? Republicans seem hell-bent on doing everything they can to dismantle society and turn it into every man for himself. This cooperation you speak of sounds like communism to them. But I can understand it's hard for you to see the bigger picture with your lips stuck to their butts.
 
2012-07-20 11:47:08 PM
Just how much money is there in voter suppression?
 
2012-07-21 12:29:43 AM

CujoQuarrel: sdd2000: pxsteel: Mercutio74: pxsteel: Didn't you have to show ID to get your passport?

I did... but my passport costs a lot more than a driver's license and a hell of a lot more than "free". But then having a passport isn't a right that is mandated to be free, voting is.

So your problem is the ID is a poll tax?

You have to give an address to register. Does this mean your rent is a poll tax?


"[A]a state violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution whenever it makes the affluence of the voter or payment of any fee an electoral standard. Voter qualifications have no relation to wealth." Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections, 383 U.S. 663 (1966) (emphasis mine)

So would you be OK with it as long as it didn't cost any money? Everyone get a free ID that can be used for voting?


That is not me that is quoted but rather the Supreme Court being quoted. And no I would not be ok with it as long as it is free. You would also need to make it not only free but easily available to all citizens and not use WI attempted gambit of closing DMV offices in areas with heavy democratic registrations for much of the week, or Texas where many people would have to drive grater than 100 miles to get an ID that is acceptable. Or the other gambit of "you have the wrong documents" you need to come back with ..." This is clearly more about voter suppression than voter integrity. If it was about voter integrity the solution we as a country forced or rather strongly suggested to IRAQ of a pot of purple ink would work much better and not disenfranchise what has been estimated to be over 1 million legal voters.
 
2012-07-21 12:57:59 AM

sdd2000: CujoQuarrel: sdd2000: pxsteel: Mercutio74: pxsteel: Didn't you have to show ID to get your passport?

I did... but my passport costs a lot more than a driver's license and a hell of a lot more than "free". But then having a passport isn't a right that is mandated to be free, voting is.

So your problem is the ID is a poll tax?

You have to give an address to register. Does this mean your rent is a poll tax?


"[A]a state violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution whenever it makes the affluence of the voter or payment of any fee an electoral standard. Voter qualifications have no relation to wealth." Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections, 383 U.S. 663 (1966) (emphasis mine)

So would you be OK with it as long as it didn't cost any money? Everyone get a free ID that can be used for voting?

That is not me that is quoted but rather the Supreme Court being quoted. And no I would not be ok with it as long as it is free. You would also need to make it not only free but easily available to all citizens and not use WI attempted gambit of closing DMV offices in areas with heavy democratic registrations for much of the week, or Texas where many people would have to drive grater than 100 miles to get an ID that is acceptable. Or the other gambit of "you have the wrong documents" you need to come back with ..." This is clearly more about voter suppression than voter integrity. If it was about voter integrity the solution we as a country forced or rather strongly suggested to IRAQ of a pot of purple ink would work much better and not disenfranchise what has been estimated to be over 1 million legal voters.


Purple ink won't detect the billions of illegal immigrants and terrorists Obama has been funneling into the US on secret cloaked UN barges with the help of China and George Soros.

duh
 
2012-07-21 01:15:15 AM

Bucky Katt: Just how much money is there in voter suppression?


I don't know. How much money does the DNC and related superpacs spend on advertising in a day. Maybe they could run a commercial 'do you know someone without an ID, call this #'. the network news would run it nonstop for a month. I bet we could get transportation and ID's for everyone that doesn't have one for what, 2 maybe 3 days worth of advert money. h3ll, even if was a weeks worth, wouldn't it be worth it. Of course, then you couldn't scream evil republicans.
 
2012-07-21 01:42:08 AM
WHY THE FARK ISN'T THE DNC GOING DOOR TO DOOR AND MAKING SURE EVERY DEMOCRAT IN PA. HAS THE PROPER ID????


Sorry to unleash the fury, but 750,000 really isn't too big a number to manage. Somebody needs to get a few teams in the field down there.
 
2012-07-21 01:50:53 AM
Having an ID to vote is silly, but most folks, even poor bastards like me do. What we don't have is one with our current address on it, as we tend to move around a lot, and tend to loose things like birth certificates. . . .I can buy beer and get a job just fine with my current ID, I just can't vote.
 
2012-07-21 03:09:47 AM

GolemGolem: Having an ID to vote is silly, but most folks, even poor bastards like me do. What we don't have is one with our current address on it, as we tend to move around a lot, and tend to loose things like birth certificates. . . .I can buy beer and get a job just fine with my current ID, I just can't vote.


Go to the library - free
go to your states DMV website - free
Change address - free
They send you a new liscence to your new address - free
You can also update your voter registration address - free

you can vote. the more you know
 
2012-07-21 03:12:47 AM

pxsteel: Instead of fixing the problem in their own base, the Dems just stand back and yell evil republicans


Actually, the republicans, especially those in congress, have done quite a good job of showing everyone else just how evil they actually are. They don't need any help from the democrats on that. A list of all the bullsh*t social engineering 'gawd 'n jeezus' legislation various republican federal, state, county and city officials have either managed to make law or attempt to make law makes a really strong case for the evil they've done and want to do more of.

New voter ID laws for the purposes of engineering elections is just one more example of just how f*cking unamerican the republican party has become.

In essence, the D's don't have to put a foot in your ass... you've managed to do that to yourselves just fine.
/How do you do that anyway?
//an extra joint in your leg?
 
2012-07-21 03:26:53 AM

rewind2846: pxsteel: Instead of fixing the problem in their own base, the Dems just stand back and yell evil republicans

New voter ID laws for the purposes of engineering elections is just one more example of just how f*cking unamerican the republican party has become.


I don't believe the repub's are trying to engineer elections. voter ID is about combatting the fraud that has been seeping in the last three+ decades. If the dems can't win with legal voters, then they need to be smarter and clean up what they call their disenfranchised base.
 
2012-07-21 03:46:00 AM

pxsteel: rewind2846: pxsteel: Instead of fixing the problem in their own base, the Dems just stand back and yell evil republicans

New voter ID laws for the purposes of engineering elections is just one more example of just how f*cking unamerican the republican party has become.

I don't believe the repub's are trying to engineer elections. voter ID is about combatting the fraud that has been seeping in the last three+ decades. If the dems can't win with legal voters, then they need to be smarter and clean up what they call their disenfranchised base.


That would be cool and all, but there is no evidence of voter fraud. It is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. It makes no sense, other than to keep people from exercising their right to vote.

How can you be so thick to not understand this?

There is no evidence that "fraud...has been seeping in the last three+ decades". None.

You are full of crap.
 
2012-07-21 04:40:42 AM

pxsteel: rewind2846: pxsteel: Instead of fixing the problem in their own base, the Dems just stand back and yell evil republicans

New voter ID laws for the purposes of engineering elections is just one more example of just how f*cking unamerican the republican party has become.

I don't believe the repub's are trying to engineer elections. voter ID is about combatting the fraud that has been seeping in the last three+ decades. If the dems can't win with legal voters, then they need to be smarter and clean up what they call their disenfranchised base.


Okay... now show us this "fraud" (voting fraud where someone actually walked into a polling place and voted under someone elses name, and not registration fraud where someone signed a form with the name "Mickey Mouse") that is so rampant that it warrants brand new laws which could disenfranchise thousands or tens of thousands of people just on the state level just to possibly catch... one, maybe two fictional people? And is it a coincidence that most of these voter ID efforts are being targeted toward groups and neighborhoods which traditionally vote democrat? I think not.

Documented, written, investigated proof, no blogs, no Glenn Beck delusions, no suppositions, no "I heard from someone's uncle's cousin's brother's aunt who listens to Rush". Just as I can find stats on how many people were killed with guns in this country/state/city last year, so you should be able to find exactly how many cases of real, arrestable, chargeable, prosecutable voter fraud there have been in the last election. Names and places, just to be sure.
Tell you what... I'll give you the last THREE elections to make it easier for you. Just make sure the number of people who voted in these elections is taken into account, so that we can all crunch the numbers for ourselves.

Kinda like burning down an entire neighborhood because of one termite you thought you saw.
Republicans are full of sh*t, and they know it. That's why these voter ID crapshoots are being b*tchslapped down state by state. They can't win otherwise, so they cheat.

You want to have people vote for you, R's? Tell the people you want to vote for you why your candidates are better for them and their lives, and give them concrete examples of what you've done for people like them.

Start with women, especially those of childbearing age.... um, no.
How about gays? Nope.
Racial minorities, that should work... fail.
The poors should ... naw, not them either.
Senior citizens? HAH!
Non-christians? Don't think so.

You can't, can you?
 
2012-07-21 06:12:14 AM

t3knomanser: The reality is, of course, that the GOP doesn't afraid of anything.


The GOP sounds like a pretty cool guy.
 
2012-07-21 06:18:39 AM

Tor_Eckman: pxsteel: rewind2846: pxsteel: Instead of fixing the problem in their own base, the Dems just stand back and yell evil republicans

New voter ID laws for the purposes of engineering elections is just one more example of just how f*cking unamerican the republican party has become.

I don't believe the repub's are trying to engineer elections. voter ID is about combatting the fraud that has been seeping in the last three+ decades. If the dems can't win with legal voters, then they need to be smarter and clean up what they call their disenfranchised base.

That would be cool and all, but there is no evidence of voter fraud. It is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. It makes no sense, other than to keep people from exercising their right to vote.

How can you be so thick to not understand this?

There is no evidence that "fraud...has been seeping in the last three+ decades". None.

You are full of crap.


9 mil identity thefts per year

4.2 billion...really

election stealing

Our financial system has gaping holes but our voting is air tight. Are you guys willfully that blind.
 
2012-07-21 06:43:25 AM

pxsteel:

9 mil identity thefts per year

4.2 billion...really

election stealing

Our financial system has gaping holes but our voting is air tight. Are you guys willfully that blind.


The financial system is just fine. Identity theft happens on the users' end, not the banks'. You don't use firewalls, you don't use anti-virus, you click on websites you shouldn't or links in e-mails you shouldn't, then you go online to shop and put your credit card number in after a virus that is sucking every one of your keystrokes is sending your digits to the Ukraine. Congrats, you just bought Boris new seatcovers for his Jag.
Or worse, you hand your card to that sleazy truck stop waitress and she just writes the number down as soon as she's out of your sight. That's your fault, not the banks. Unfortunately, no one can safeguard against stupid.

No one here asked you about identity theft, which has positive financial gain for the criminals and has been duly recorded, investigated and prosecuted. What we want to know is what percentage or even number of cases have there been in the last 10 years worth of elections of someone going into a polling place and putting pen to paper, touching a screen, or pulling a lever for the purposes of voting under someone elses' name.

And this, from the first part of your link: "The retrial of former Troy, N.Y., City Councilman Michael LoPorto on ballot fraud charges has revealed detailed testimony about the casting and soliciting of absentee ballots.

LoPorto was charged with 22 counts of second-degree criminal possession of a forged instrument for his role in an alleged Democratic Party attempt to steal a city council primary victory in 2009, according to the Times Union."


Is for the alleged forgery of 22 absentee ballots that he could have filled out at his kitchen table. Twenty-two absentee ballots. Now tell us how ID cards would have stopped this again... we really want to hear all the details.

Are you people that willfully paranoid and stupid?
 
2012-07-21 07:44:27 AM
Like democrats need help from the GOP in screwing up an election:

www.asktog.com
 
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