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2012-07-20 01:31:48 PM
Amen

whitman00: This law is nothing but a brazen attempt at voter suppression. Now its come out that if your social security card is laminated, it cannot be used to get a voter ID. You need to apply for another social security card and wait to get that before you get the voter ID card. The fact that any American politician would vote for this kind of law is a disgrace. It shows a lack of moral character beyond even what we are used to seeing these days.

If you really think blocking a group of people from their right to vote because they don't vote the way you do is a good idea, you truly don't deserve to call yourself an American or a patriot. People did not fight in the Revolution, the War of 1812, two World Wars and the Cold War just so you could spit on all they fought for.

 
2012-07-20 01:32:41 PM

Citrate1007: Allowing ineligible people to vote is bad. Legislating discriminitory regulations with a political agenda of alienating eligible voters is treason. It is also an early warning sign of a coup.



The corporate coup is over, this is just pro forma.
 
MFL
2012-07-20 01:33:22 PM
coeyagi I thought government was supposed to be practical. Why have a solution to a non-existent problem? 0.0004% has never decided a national or state election? Why are you guys pissing and moaning about it? I thought you like small government?

huh? no existant? Do you know how close some of these congressional elections are? Hell Al Franken won Minnesota by 312 votes and they later discoverd over 341 felons illegally voted and they were counted as good votes in the recount. Now...I wonder who most of them voted for?

There was also a Dem primary a while back where J.J. Rizzo and Will Royster in a district where the victor was certain to win the general election. Rizzo received about 50 votes illegally cast by citizens of Somalia. The Somalis, who didn't speak English, were coached to vote for Rizzo by an interpreter at the polling place. Rizzo ended up winning by one vote

Link
Florida?
Texas

This happens all the time. The only reasons Democrats are pissing and moaning about the supreme court holding up the Voter ID laws 6-3

A. It's a good bogeyman to help anger minorities
B. The fraud usually benefits their party.
C. Many of the folks they buss to the polls in exchange for smokes and a cheesburger are too lazy to go out and get an ID even if it's free. Dems need their quota's from the urban areas in swing states or they will not do as well.

But like usual, you libs are left defending the indefensable....but then again, we are talking about the party of Saul Alinsky who cares nothing about the truth only that the ends justify the means.
 
2012-07-20 01:33:58 PM

doyner: So what is an acceptable ratio of disenfranchised to prevented fraud?

Seriously, GOP--100:1? 1000:1? 100,000:1?

You resist banking regulation because it's "only a few bad apples." So what percentage of spoiled fruit ruins the entire barrel?

If you can't answer these questions with a modicum of intellectual honesty then you're simply hiding behind false outrage in an attempt to rig our elections. But hey, keep on shouting jingoistic buzzwords like 'freedom' while you systematically undermine our democracy.


Can you even show one case of disenfranchised votes due to the law? The person sent to Washington was an awful witness. Why did liberals rail on Roberts during Aca for supreme court precedence... Then completely ignore precedence not even a decade old? Identification is not an undue burden. You lost, get over it.
 
2012-07-20 01:34:39 PM
The GOP. What a farking clown shoes operation.
 
2012-07-20 01:35:24 PM

MFL: coeyagi I thought government was supposed to be practical. Why have a solution to a non-existent problem? 0.0004% has never decided a national or state election? Why are you guys pissing and moaning about it? I thought you like small government?

huh? no existant? Do you know how close some of these congressional elections are? Hell Al Franken won Minnesota by 312 votes and they later discoverd over 341 felons illegally voted and they were counted as good votes in the recount. Now...I wonder who most of them voted for?

There was also a Dem primary a while back where J.J. Rizzo and Will Royster in a district where the victor was certain to win the general election. Rizzo received about 50 votes illegally cast by citizens of Somalia. The Somalis, who didn't speak English, were coached to vote for Rizzo by an interpreter at the polling place. Rizzo ended up winning by one vote

Link
Florida?
Texas

This happens all the time. The only reasons Democrats are pissing and moaning about the supreme court holding up the Voter ID laws 6-3

A. It's a good bogeyman to help anger minorities
B. The fraud usually benefits their party.
C. Many of the folks they buss to the polls in exchange for smokes and a cheesburger are too lazy to go out and get an ID even if it's free. Dems need their quota's from the urban areas in swing states or they will not do as well.

But like usual, you libs are left defending the indefensable....but then again, we are talking about the party of Saul Alinsky who cares nothing about the truth only that the ends justify the means.


Please explain how a voter ID law would have prevented either of the cases you presented.
 
2012-07-20 01:36:41 PM

MFL: Saul Alinsky



Everyone DRINK!
 
2012-07-20 01:37:30 PM

Citrate1007: MFL: Citrate1007 alienating eligible voters is treason

How do we know they are "elibile" if they don't show proper identification?

Take their word for it?

While having to show ID seems reasonable, the timing and implementation is NOT. The people truely effected are the poor, elderly, disabled citizens. Believe it or not many don't have a drivers license and even if they could afford one the time it would take to get one is not instant hence the timing of these laws. Add in the fact that humans are generally corrupt farkers, the people processing the IDs have the ability (which the GOP is counting on) to take their time......as much time as needed......just to be sure........that this citizen......truely is........eligible.......This may take until December to figure out because there are THOUSANDS of new ID applications due to this .


In Pa, there is only a wait in line to get a state id. It can take as little as 3 minutes or a couple hours.
 
2012-07-20 01:39:29 PM

doyner: You resist banking regulation because it's "only a few bad apples." So what percentage of spoiled fruit ruins the entire barrel?


# of voters in the US : ~280,000,000
# of bankers who can crash the economy : ~ 100,000

# of voters required to 'rig' an election in every voting district in the US: ~10,000,000
# of bankers required to screw the jobs of 50,000,000 persons: 25

See why banking regulation is more important than voting 'fraud' yet?
 
2012-07-20 01:40:25 PM

LarryDan43: If you think its possible there is any chance there could be a warrant out for your arrest. Stay home. Did you miss a credit card payment? Have an account in collection? Forget a parking ticket. Then you might have a warrant out you and they will be arresting people at the polls. It's okay, your one vote wasn't going to swing the election either way.


And this is the best argument for hilarity. Liberals ask for proof of voter fraud, without identification it is really really hard to prove fraud. You could keep an election official and police there to check ID if signatures don't match, but then the left would cry intimidation.

So question for you liberals, name one way to catch fraud if we can't use identification. The only fraud able to be caught are felons attempting to vote, not voting as someone else. How can the latter be prosecuted if no video taping at stations and no identification recquired? If the real person shows up later there is a questionable vote, but no conviction as the person committing fraud is long gone. So how do you find voter fraud without the use of identification?
 
2012-07-20 01:41:19 PM

doyner: Not an AMERICAN idea, therefore it is inferior.


Yeah, neither is petroleum refining, algebra or our number system. And yet somehow we seem to do with with them ...
 
2012-07-20 01:41:56 PM
Disgusting.
 
2012-07-20 01:43:14 PM

MyRandomName: LarryDan43: If you think its possible there is any chance there could be a warrant out for your arrest. Stay home. Did you miss a credit card payment? Have an account in collection? Forget a parking ticket. Then you might have a warrant out you and they will be arresting people at the polls. It's okay, your one vote wasn't going to swing the election either way.

And this is the best argument for hilarity. Liberals ask for proof of voter fraud, without identification it is really really hard to prove fraud. You could keep an election official and police there to check ID if signatures don't match, but then the left would cry intimidation.

So question for you liberals, name one way to catch fraud if we can't use identification. The only fraud able to be caught are felons attempting to vote, not voting as someone else. How can the latter be prosecuted if no video taping at stations and no identification recquired? If the real person shows up later there is a questionable vote, but no conviction as the person committing fraud is long gone. So how do you find voter fraud without the use of identification?


How do we catch you if you are raping kids in your home without a cop checking IDs in your bedroom?
 
2012-07-20 01:43:44 PM

coeyagi: This is a pretty blah story. Yeah, there may be some GOPers in there promoting it but I don't see smoking gun. I mean, other than the piece of shiat law that started this whole mess.


It took me a minute to work out that you meant "blah" in the pre-Santorum sense...
 
2012-07-20 01:45:13 PM

MyRandomName: Liberals ask for proof of voter fraud, without identification it is really really hard to prove fraud.


The complete lack of evidence only proves how deep the conspiracy goes!
 
2012-07-20 01:45:32 PM
And public schools educating Pennsylvanian students about everything are full of Democrat Teacher Unionists. Are we really going to bash entire organizations for the personal beliefs of some members?
 
2012-07-20 01:45:45 PM
I would like to commend the three-letter acronym handled Farker who so bravely came in here, posted his appeal to the conservative conscience in all of us, only to go missing when that conscience was challenged numerous times by, of all things, common sense.
 
2012-07-20 01:47:22 PM

MFL: Hell Al Franken won Minnesota by 312 votes and they later discoverd over 341 felons illegally voted and they were counted as good votes in the recount. Now...I wonder who most of them voted for?


The republican, 90% of felons are christians.

Sounds like Franken kicked his ass.
 
2012-07-20 01:47:33 PM
It's 4 months till the election

you have 4 months to get an ID

If you are so incompetent that you cannot get an ID in 4 months. How are you competent enough to vote
 
2012-07-20 01:48:00 PM

MFL: coeyagi I thought government was supposed to be practical. Why have a solution to a non-existent problem? 0.0004% has never decided a national or state election? Why are you guys pissing and moaning about it? I thought you like small government?

huh? no existant? Do you know how close some of these congressional elections are? Hell Al Franken won Minnesota by 312 votes and they later discoverd over 341 felons illegally voted and they were counted as good votes in the recount. Now...I wonder who most of them voted for?

There was also a Dem primary a while back where J.J. Rizzo and Will Royster in a district where the victor was certain to win the general election. Rizzo received about 50 votes illegally cast by citizens of Somalia. The Somalis, who didn't speak English, were coached to vote for Rizzo by an interpreter at the polling place. Rizzo ended up winning by one vote

Link
Florida?
Texas

This happens all the time. The only reasons Democrats are pissing and moaning about the supreme court holding up the Voter ID laws 6-3

A. It's a good bogeyman to help anger minorities
B. The fraud usually benefits their party.
C. Many of the folks they buss to the polls in exchange for smokes and a cheesburger are too lazy to go out and get an ID even if it's free. Dems need their quota's from the urban areas in swing states or they will not do as well.

But like usual, you libs are left defending the indefensable....but then again, we are talking about the party of Saul Alinsky who cares nothing about the truth only that the ends justify the means.


It was the 17th word in my original statement that you glossed over completely. 0.0004%. Tell me how either of those cases are less than or equal to that percentage and you get all the tea off of some tri-corner hat.
 
2012-07-20 01:48:02 PM

MFL: coeyagi I thought government was supposed to be practical. Why have a solution to a non-existent problem? 0.0004% has never decided a national or state election? Why are you guys pissing and moaning about it? I thought you like small government?

huh? no existant? Do you know how close some of these congressional elections are? Hell Al Franken won Minnesota by 312 votes and they later discoverd over 341 felons illegally voted and they were counted as good votes in the recount. Now...I wonder who most of them voted for?

There was also a Dem primary a while back where J.J. Rizzo and Will Royster in a district where the victor was certain to win the general election. Rizzo received about 50 votes illegally cast by citizens of Somalia. The Somalis, who didn't speak English, were coached to vote for Rizzo by an interpreter at the polling place. Rizzo ended up winning by one vote

Link
Florida?
Texas

This happens all the time. The only reasons Democrats are pissing and moaning about the supreme court holding up the Voter ID laws 6-3

A. It's a good bogeyman to help anger minorities
B. The fraud usually benefits their party.
C. Many of the folks they buss to the polls in exchange for smokes and a cheesburger are too lazy to go out and get an ID even if it's free. Dems need their quota's from the urban areas in swing states or they will not do as well.

But like usual, you libs are left defending the indefensable....but then again, we are talking about the party of Saul Alinsky who cares nothing about the truth only that the ends justify the means.


That'll be the next angle your party takes to help pander to it's timid, cowardly base. "If you can not transport yourself to the voting place, you can not vote. Do we really want people not responsible enough to drive to have a vote here? Wait, what...busloads of Silver Foxes came in and we have to make sure they get their Denny's coupons? Let's hold off on stopping the bus rides for a while then"

Do you or your party ever get tired of being scared? Of wrapping yourself up in the flag and consitution to deprive others of their rights? I never could understand the rage that underlies most conservatives opinions, and the ham-handed almost ITG way they present them all. Always tinged with some 'ballot box, jury box or ammo box' type revolutionary threat attached to it. Then I realized all that fear and the paralyzing impotence it brings around must cuase it. There's almost nothing in the world, no country, no race, no religion, no difference you aren't terrorized of. That your party seems insane in it's actions is understandable given that they're seemingly insane in their beliefs.

What will you people have to be afraid of if you ever really got your way?
 
2012-07-20 01:49:38 PM

pxsteel: It's 4 months till the election

you have 4 months to get an ID

If you are so incompetent that you cannot get an ID in 4 months. How are you competent enough to vote


Because there's no competency test for voting, nor should there be?
 
2012-07-20 01:50:06 PM

Shaggy_C: And public schools educating Pennsylvanian students about everything are full of Democrat Teacher Unionists. Are we really going to bash entire organizations for the personal beliefs of some members?


I would say it depends on which members we're talking about.

The president of Chik fil a just took a fat crackling shiat on gay people and single mothers, so I think it's ok to judge the organization on his personal beliefs. If it was Mitch the data entry guy saying it I probably wouldn't assign his beliefs to the organization.
 
2012-07-20 01:50:49 PM

pxsteel: How are you competent enough to vote


The machine isn't very difficult to figure out.
 
2012-07-20 01:51:14 PM

coeyagi: MFL: coeyagi I thought government was supposed to be practical. Why have a solution to a non-existent problem? 0.0004% has never decided a national or state election? Why are you guys pissing and moaning about it? I thought you like small government?

huh? no existant? Do you know how close some of these congressional elections are? Hell Al Franken won Minnesota by 312 votes and they later discoverd over 341 felons illegally voted and they were counted as good votes in the recount. Now...I wonder who most of them voted for?

There was also a Dem primary a while back where J.J. Rizzo and Will Royster in a district where the victor was certain to win the general election. Rizzo received about 50 votes illegally cast by citizens of Somalia. The Somalis, who didn't speak English, were coached to vote for Rizzo by an interpreter at the polling place. Rizzo ended up winning by one vote

Link
Florida?
Texas

This happens all the time. The only reasons Democrats are pissing and moaning about the supreme court holding up the Voter ID laws 6-3

A. It's a good bogeyman to help anger minorities
B. The fraud usually benefits their party.
C. Many of the folks they buss to the polls in exchange for smokes and a cheesburger are too lazy to go out and get an ID even if it's free. Dems need their quota's from the urban areas in swing states or they will not do as well.

But like usual, you libs are left defending the indefensable....but then again, we are talking about the party of Saul Alinsky who cares nothing about the truth only that the ends justify the means.

It was the 17th word in my original statement that you glossed over completely. 0.0004%. Tell me how either of those cases are lessgreater than or equal to that percentage and you get all the tea off of some tri-corner hat.


FTFM
 
2012-07-20 01:51:52 PM

MyRandomName: Liberals ask for proof of voter fraud, without identification it is really really hard to prove fraud.


So by your own admission, conservatives are either lying or embellishing the existence of mass voter fraud. As you said, it's impossible to prove when voters aren't required to provide ID.

So what the fark are you in such an uproar about if there's no documented evidence of fraud?
 
2012-07-20 01:53:22 PM
If the goal was to actually ensure accuracy, I'll lend you Canada's system...

However, the goal is clearly to disenfranchise likely Dem voters.
 
2012-07-20 01:53:49 PM

MyRandomName: LarryDan43: If you think its possible there is any chance there could be a warrant out for your arrest. Stay home. Did you miss a credit card payment? Have an account in collection? Forget a parking ticket. Then you might have a warrant out you and they will be arresting people at the polls. It's okay, your one vote wasn't going to swing the election either way.

And this is the best argument for hilarity. Liberals ask for proof of voter fraud, without identification it is really really hard to prove fraud. You could keep an election official and police there to check ID if signatures don't match, but then the left would cry intimidation.

So question for you liberals, name one way to catch fraud if we can't use identification. The only fraud able to be caught are felons attempting to vote, not voting as someone else. How can the latter be prosecuted if no video taping at stations and no identification recquired? If the real person shows up later there is a questionable vote, but no conviction as the person committing fraud is long gone. So how do you find voter fraud without the use of identification?


I think the best thing to do is continue to base our laws on the unprovable fears of a bunch of people scared of almost everything. Evenytually the Right will govern themselves into their own 1984-esque New World Order with their constant restrictive laws against all things that 'might' be happening. I'm sure we'll all be happy then. Or maybe we could realize there is a whole other group of people out here that don't want to be governed based on the paranoid fears of a party that has been fed fear as a means of control. Jeezuz, wake up you farking pussies. The world isn't as scary as you've been told time and time and time and time and time again. You want proof? The fact your sitting here jagging your stupid opinions off on the internet and not dead or imprisoned from one of the million scary fantasies you've bought into shoudl suffice.
 
2012-07-20 01:54:47 PM

ImpendingCynic: MyRandomName: Liberals ask for proof of voter fraud, without identification it is really really hard to prove fraud.

So by your own admission, conservatives are either lying or embellishing the existence of mass voter fraud. As you said, it's impossible to prove when voters aren't required to provide ID.

So what the fark are you in such an uproar about if there's no documented evidence of fraud?


We did this yesterday.

Remember kids, Republican senators may be having TONS of sex with congressional pages, but we don't know! It could be underreported!
 
2012-07-20 01:56:35 PM

TheGogmagog: Maud Dib: TheGogmagog: Maud Dib: MFL: Citrate1007 alienating eligible voters is treason

How do we know they are "elibile" if they don't show proper identification?

Take their word for it?

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It's not just a verbal word, you have to sign to verify you are eligible.

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It's not uncommon to accept a signature as proof.
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i865.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-20 01:59:37 PM

Bocasio: My wife went to vote (Tennessee) last election, old timer walked her to the booth. It was ready to cast a vote for McCain, he said "There you go honey, ready to go"

She told him she had it covered. When she left the booth the blue hairs and Rebs sphincters were twitching with anger


I live in TN. Your wife probably did cast a vote for McCain; those electronic machines we use are completely untrustworthy.
 
2012-07-20 02:05:59 PM

HotWingConspiracy: The president of Chik fil a just took a fat crackling shiat on gay people and single mothers, so I think it's ok to judge the organization on his personal beliefs. If it was Mitch the data entry guy saying it I probably wouldn't assign his beliefs to the organization.


Even then, it's not really fair to do that. Pretty much every CEO out there is by default a rich white man, but not every corporation is Republican-biased. Just look at Whole Foods.
 
2012-07-20 02:09:34 PM

Shaggy_C: HotWingConspiracy: The president of Chik fil a just took a fat crackling shiat on gay people and single mothers, so I think it's ok to judge the organization on his personal beliefs. If it was Mitch the data entry guy saying it I probably wouldn't assign his beliefs to the organization.

Even then, it's not really fair to do that. Pretty much every CEO out there is by default a rich white man, but not every corporation is Republican-biased. Just look at Whole Foods.


Perhaps, but in the end, I wouldn't want my money trickling up to that gentleman's paycheck. Even if I can separate the organization from his beliefs, he's not someone I would want to support, even indirectly.
 
2012-07-20 02:13:20 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Shaggy_C: HotWingConspiracy: The president of Chik fil a just took a fat crackling shiat on gay people and single mothers, so I think it's ok to judge the organization on his personal beliefs. If it was Mitch the data entry guy saying it I probably wouldn't assign his beliefs to the organization.

Even then, it's not really fair to do that. Pretty much every CEO out there is by default a rich white man, but not every corporation is Republican-biased. Just look at Whole Foods.

Perhaps, but in the end, I wouldn't want my money trickling up to that gentleman's paycheck. Even if I can separate the organization from his beliefs, he's not someone I would want to support, even indirectly.


Amen, brother. I wish there was cheatsheet with "Asshole Theofascist Demagogue Corporation or CEO" listed in one column and "Not Inherently Evil Corporation or CEO" alternative. They could be color code. Perhaps red for the former, and blue for the latter. But at any rate, this would help my buying decisions.
 
2012-07-20 02:17:33 PM
GOD! I AM SO SICK OF THE ASSHOLES!!!!

Why can't we farking stop them from doing this shiat!?!? Why are they ruining this country!?!

It's enough to make a person farking crazy!
 
2012-07-20 02:19:08 PM

coeyagi: HotWingConspiracy: Shaggy_C: HotWingConspiracy: The president of Chik fil a just took a fat crackling shiat on gay people and single mothers, so I think it's ok to judge the organization on his personal beliefs. If it was Mitch the data entry guy saying it I probably wouldn't assign his beliefs to the organization.

Even then, it's not really fair to do that. Pretty much every CEO out there is by default a rich white man, but not every corporation is Republican-biased. Just look at Whole Foods.

Perhaps, but in the end, I wouldn't want my money trickling up to that gentleman's paycheck. Even if I can separate the organization from his beliefs, he's not someone I would want to support, even indirectly.

Amen, brother. I wish there was cheatsheet with "Asshole Theofascist Demagogue Corporation or CEO" listed in one column and "Not Inherently Evil Corporation or CEO" alternative. They could be color code. Perhaps red for the former, and blue for the latter. But at any rate, this would help my buying decisions.


You just invented a lucrative informational site.
 
2012-07-20 02:19:31 PM

Shaggy_C: And public schools educating Pennsylvanian students about everything are full of Democrat Teacher Unionists. Are we really going to bash entire organizations for the personal beliefs of some members?


Bullshiat. Prove it. I mean, really provide me with rolls that show that every farking Pennsylvanian teacher is a Democrat and a Unionist. Do it. I farking dare you, because I know it's not farking true.

Asshat.
 
2012-07-20 02:21:41 PM

Shaggy_C: And public schools educating Pennsylvanian students about everything are full of Democrat Teacher Unionists. Are we really going to bash entire organizations for the personal beliefs of some members?


As a lifelong Pennsylvanian: LOL, u so wrong
 
2012-07-20 02:23:31 PM

tudorgurl: Shaggy_C: And public schools educating Pennsylvanian students about everything are full of Democrat Teacher Unionists. Are we really going to bash entire organizations for the personal beliefs of some members?

Bullshiat. Prove it. I mean, really provide me with rolls that show that every farking Pennsylvanian teacher is a Democrat and a Unionist. Do it. I farking dare you, because I know it's not farking true.

Asshat.


It is definitely complete bullshiat. I know a bunch of conservative teachers in PA who are constantly blowing Fox News smoke up my ass about Obamacare. And they rail on the union (and a lot of times, so do I, and I'm a lib). It's a job, one that a good lot of folks can qualify for. There will be people of all stripes in that job.
 
2012-07-20 02:24:42 PM
Obtaining ID in PA is Not free -- it's 13.50, which is not much but may be difficult for some poor families...



http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/driverlicensephotoidcenter/obtainingphoto id .shtml pops
 
2012-07-20 02:25:16 PM

LasersHurt: Shaggy_C: And public schools educating Pennsylvanian students about everything are full of Democrat Teacher Unionists. Are we really going to bash entire organizations for the personal beliefs of some members?

As a lifelong Pennsylvanian: LOL, u so wrong


Me too (sorta). Does he think they're importing Michelle Pfeiffers, Morgan Freemans and Edward James Olmoses into Pennsyltucky? Or the Philly suburbs? Or the Pittsburgh suburbs (which I also consider Pennsyltucky, but you know where my bias is).
 
2012-07-20 02:27:50 PM

coeyagi: LasersHurt: Shaggy_C: And public schools educating Pennsylvanian students about everything are full of Democrat Teacher Unionists. Are we really going to bash entire organizations for the personal beliefs of some members?

As a lifelong Pennsylvanian: LOL, u so wrong

Me too (sorta). Does he think they're importing Michelle Pfeiffers, Morgan Freemans and Edward James Olmoses into Pennsyltucky? Or the Philly suburbs? Or the Pittsburgh suburbs (which I also consider Pennsyltucky, but you know where my bias is).


Pittsburgh (my current home) has a very quick decay rate as you get out of the city. You go from city to bumblefark exponentially every mile you go. That's PA for you.
 
2012-07-20 02:28:31 PM
What's with the fail tag? It's crucial to GOP strategy that those who need to be educated about ID requirements be fed false, misleading or confusing information. This is a win for them.
 
2012-07-20 02:28:31 PM

Shaggy_C: Pretty much every CEO out there is by default a rich white man, but not every corporation is Republican-biased. Just look at Whole Foods.


The CEO of Whole Foods is anti-union, a climate change denier and is strongly opposed to the idea of universal health care. I wouldn't really hold him up as an example of a non-evil CEO.
 
2012-07-20 02:30:21 PM

YakBoy42: Shaggy_C: Pretty much every CEO out there is by default a rich white man, but not every corporation is Republican-biased. Just look at Whole Foods.

The CEO of Whole Foods is anti-union, a climate change denier and is strongly opposed to the idea of universal health care. I wouldn't really hold him up as an example of a non-evil CEO.


Isn't he also a crazy Christian?
 
2012-07-20 02:30:40 PM

feuerwehrmann: Obtaining ID in PA is Not free -- it's 13.50, which is not much but may be difficult for some poor families...



http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/driverlicensephotoidcenter/obtainingphoto id .shtml pops


$13.50, plus supporting documentation, plus any charges for acquiring supporting documentation, plus the trip to the other offices to acquire supporting documentation, plus the trip to the office for the ID, plus the wages lost from hours taken off work to get to the various offices while they're open...
 
2012-07-20 02:31:23 PM

LasersHurt: coeyagi: LasersHurt: Shaggy_C: And public schools educating Pennsylvanian students about everything are full of Democrat Teacher Unionists. Are we really going to bash entire organizations for the personal beliefs of some members?

As a lifelong Pennsylvanian: LOL, u so wrong

Me too (sorta). Does he think they're importing Michelle Pfeiffers, Morgan Freemans and Edward James Olmoses into Pennsyltucky? Or the Philly suburbs? Or the Pittsburgh suburbs (which I also consider Pennsyltucky, but you know where my bias is).

Pittsburgh (my current home) has a very quick decay rate as you get out of the city. You go from city to bumblefark exponentially every mile you go. That's PA for you.


Philly suburbs are a mix of going out to bumblefark and going out to moneyed interests. At any rate.... conservative leaning. But Chester County, my former home, is slowly moving to the Dems as the other side is eating their own.
 
2012-07-20 02:32:50 PM
See, I live in Philly, so I already had to show ID to vote the last four times I voted. So I didn't understand that this was an issue when it started coming out.
 
2012-07-20 02:33:18 PM

YakBoy42: Shaggy_C: Pretty much every CEO out there is by default a rich white man, but not every corporation is Republican-biased. Just look at Whole Foods.

The CEO of Whole Foods is anti-union, a climate change denier and is strongly opposed to the idea of universal health care. I wouldn't really hold him up as an example of a non-evil CEO.


Look man, he was just basing his assumption that if the consumer is typically some hippie, hipster, yupster, granola-eating freak, the CEO must be too.
 
2012-07-20 02:35:04 PM

MyRandomName: LarryDan43: If you think its possible there is any chance there could be a warrant out for your arrest. Stay home. Did you miss a credit card payment? Have an account in collection? Forget a parking ticket. Then you might have a warrant out you and they will be arresting people at the polls. It's okay, your one vote wasn't going to swing the election either way.

And this is the best argument for hilarity. Liberals ask for proof of voter fraud, without identification it is really really hard to prove fraud. You could keep an election official and police there to check ID if signatures don't match, but then the left would cry intimidation.

So question for you liberals, name one way to catch fraud if we can't use identification. The only fraud able to be caught are felons attempting to vote, not voting as someone else. How can the latter be prosecuted if no video taping at stations and no identification recquired? If the real person shows up later there is a questionable vote, but no conviction as the person committing fraud is long gone. So how do you find voter fraud without the use of identification?


You have to sign a farking register. If your signature doesn't match, you don't get to vote (and probably get detained). If you wanted to vote under your real name also, then you'd probably want to make sure you were registered in a different district from your real one. If you want to vote a bunch of times, you'd have to falsely register in multiple districts, committing multiple felonies in the process, then drive all over creation on Election day to cast all your fraudulent vote. I'm sure this is happening all the time.
 
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