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2012-07-20 09:39:15 AM
I am in Colorado. There is no US coastline near me.
 
2012-07-20 09:45:45 AM

unlikely: I am in Colorado. There is no US coastline near me.


Just don't go to the movies.
 
2012-07-20 09:48:05 AM

Diogenes: unlikely: I am in Colorado. There is no US coastline near me.

Just don't go to the movies.


Ouch. That's going to leave a bruise. Aisle or window seat?
 
2012-07-20 09:50:10 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Diogenes: unlikely: I am in Colorado. There is no US coastline near me.

Just don't go to the movies.

Ouch. That's going to leave a bruise. Aisle or window seat?


Yeah, probably too soon.
 
2012-07-20 09:54:43 AM

Diogenes: Dancin_In_Anson: Diogenes: unlikely: I am in Colorado. There is no US coastline near me.

Just don't go to the movies.

Ouch. That's going to leave a bruise. Aisle or window seat?

Yeah, probably too soon.


I give the shooter some points for accuracy. He managed to hit quite few people in one incident. This may be a record of sorts.

Also, in Seattle and I find it difficult to believe that it will take 5 years for the radiation to reach us. There are already children in Japan suffering thyroid issues and the scientists are puzzle beause it's too soon after the Fukishima leak.
Orly?
 
2012-07-20 09:54:44 AM

Diogenes: Yeah, probably too soon.


Oh well...anything worth doin' is worth doin' right. That was a fine shot you took.
 
2012-07-20 09:59:09 AM
How are things on the west coast?
I hear you're looking real green.
 
2012-07-20 10:02:46 AM
It's been over a year since natural disaster ravaged a nuclear plant in Fukushima and interrupted the lives of millions of Japanese.

What kind of disaster does it take before they're "seriously inconvenienced?"
 
2012-07-20 11:47:06 AM

AbbeySomeone: Diogenes: Dancin_In_Anson: Diogenes: unlikely: I am in Colorado. There is no US coastline near me.

Just don't go to the movies.

Ouch. That's going to leave a bruise. Aisle or window seat?

Yeah, probably too soon.

I give the shooter some points for accuracy. He managed to hit quite few people in one incident. This may be a record of sorts.

Also, in Seattle and I find it difficult to believe that it will take 5 years for the radiation to reach us. There are already children in Japan suffering thyroid issues and the scientists are puzzle beause it's too soon after the Fukishima leak.
Orly?


If it's too soon, maybe they'll end up tracing it to radiation contaminated goods from India and China. . They aren't exactly known for careful disposal of radioactive medical waste

Even after the tests in Nevada, it took a few years for thyroid problems to show
 
2012-07-20 11:57:41 AM

Diogenes: It's been over a year since natural disaster ravaged a nuclear plant in Fukushima and interrupted the lives of millions of Japanese.

What kind of disaster does it take before they're "seriously inconvenienced?"


It's Japan. 仕方がない is an unofficial national motto.
 
2012-07-20 12:03:48 PM

Diogenes: It's been over a year since natural disaster ravaged a nuclear plant in Fukushima and interrupted the lives of millions of Japanese.

What kind of disaster does it take before they're "seriously inconvenienced?"


"A team of scientists led by Joke F Lübbecke..."

Why so Seriously Inconvenienced?
 
2012-07-20 12:10:18 PM
Radiation? In my ocean?
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2012-07-20 12:10:37 PM

Diogenes: unlikely: I am in Colorado. There is no US coastline near me.

Just don't go to the movies.


Way back in the 'crazy lady at Lincoln city council thread" you said something about changing your handle to "Homicider" so now I get "Diogenes (favorite: Homicider)"

you sick sick bastage.
 
2012-07-20 12:15:06 PM

Ivo Shandor: Radiation? In my ocean?
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I'm not worried, although the urge to profit off of people I know will not get sick is getting stronger. I could start by selling them magical radiation repelling rocks.
 
2012-07-20 12:18:14 PM

meat0918: Ivo Shandor: Radiation? In my ocean?
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I'm not worried, although the urge to profit off of people I know will not get sick is getting stronger. I could start by selling them magical radiation repelling rocks.


If I lived on the west coast I would be buying quartz crystals at wholesale and then gluing a magnet to them and selling them as an anti radiation attachment for those magnetic bracelets. Think about it they already fell for the bracelet scam they must be ripe for the picking.
 
2012-07-20 12:19:42 PM
Why wouldn't this radiation have already gotten here what with all the trash already washing up in Washington and Oregon?

Will we have glow in the dark Eskimos?
 
2012-07-20 12:27:28 PM

Egoy3k: meat0918: Ivo Shandor: Radiation? In my ocean?
[img694.imageshack.us image 750x568]

I'm not worried, although the urge to profit off of people I know will not get sick is getting stronger. I could start by selling them magical radiation repelling rocks.

If I lived on the west coast I would be buying quartz crystals at wholesale and then gluing a magnet to them and selling them as an anti radiation attachment for those magnetic bracelets. Think about it they already fell for the bracelet scam they must be ripe for the picking.


I do live here, and I just can't bring myself to add into the hysteria. I have ethics and morals
 
2012-07-20 12:29:46 PM

meat0918: I do live here, and I just can't bring myself to add into the hysteria. I have ethics and morals


Yeah but if they already bought the bracelet why feel bad for them? I mean either they have money to burn on stuff that doesn't work or the placebo effect works well on them. For all you know they might be happier and healthier with the add on even if it doesn't do a thing.
 
2012-07-20 12:36:03 PM

meat0918: Egoy3k: meat0918: Ivo Shandor: Radiation? In my ocean?
[img694.imageshack.us image 750x568]

I'm not worried, although the urge to profit off of people I know will not get sick is getting stronger. I could start by selling them magical radiation repelling rocks.

If I lived on the west coast I would be buying quartz crystals at wholesale and then gluing a magnet to them and selling them as an anti radiation attachment for those magnetic bracelets. Think about it they already fell for the bracelet scam they must be ripe for the picking.

I do live here, and I just can't bring myself to add into the hysteria. I have ethics and morals


*scribbles notes, checks Etsy
 
2012-07-20 12:42:18 PM

Diogenes: unlikely: I am in Colorado. There is no US coastline near me.

Just don't go to the movies.


Or high school. What is it with Colorado. It needs to change from the Centennial State to the Mass Shooting State.
 
2012-07-20 12:50:46 PM
How many bananas' worth of radiation are we talking about?
 
2012-07-20 01:10:19 PM
Tell him about the twinkie.
 
2012-07-20 01:12:06 PM

Petey4335: Diogenes: unlikely: I am in Colorado. There is no US coastline near me.

Just don't go to the movies.

Way back in the 'crazy lady at Lincoln city council thread" you said something about changing your handle to "Homicider" so now I get "Diogenes (favorite: Homicider)"

you sick sick bastage.


What can I say? I'm a big deal on the Internet ;-)
 
2012-07-20 02:07:16 PM
This just in: Radiation is scary, so you don't need to tell people how much radiation they'll be getting, they'll just freak out regardless.

/I told my mother the potassium salt she puts on all her food has tons more radiation than anything she'll get from Japan, and that it's no big deal. She didn't believe me.
 
2012-07-20 02:13:53 PM
FTFA: "In fact, others fear that contaminated ocean waters may collect in packets and produce waves of highly concentrated nuclear toxins that could pose a dangerous toll to Americans"

What others? Who? Where do they say this? I'm curious, because it's bullshiat.

Nothing like fear-mongering to enhance your false reporting.
 
2012-07-20 02:14:05 PM

Virtuoso80: This just in: Radiation is scary, so you don't need to tell people how much radiation they'll be getting, they'll just freak out regardless.

/I told my mother the potassium salt she puts on all her food has tons more radiation than anything she'll get from Japan, and that it's no big deal. She didn't believe me.


Yeah, I told someone they get more cancer causing radiation from 1 minute in the sun than they'll get in their entire lifetime of using a cell phone, and they didn't believe me.

//Cell phones don't emit ionizing radiation.
 
2012-07-20 02:20:27 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com

Just wait until the radioactive vegetables start arriving at the local store.
 
2012-07-20 03:14:48 PM
This article sounds like BS, how could the contaminated water reaching the west coast be even more radioactive than it was in Japan...after being diluted by the entire Pacific Ocean?
 
2012-07-20 03:24:33 PM
In fact, others fear that contaminated ocean waters may collect in packets and produce waves of highly concentrated nuclear toxins that could pose a dangerous toll to Americans.

I feel stupid just reading that. What a load of crap.
 
2012-07-20 03:34:13 PM
meat0918:

Virtuoso80: This just in: Radiation is scary, so you don't need to tell people how much radiation they'll be getting, they'll just freak out regardless.

/I told my mother the potassium salt she puts on all her food has tons more radiation than anything she'll get from Japan, and that it's no big deal. She didn't believe me.

Yeah, I told someone they get more cancer causing radiation from 1 minute in the sun than they'll get in their entire lifetime of using a cell phone, and they didn't believe me.

//Cell phones don't emit ionizing radiation.


Whatever you do, don't tell them about the cinder block made of coal ash that makes up their homes / places of work, or for that matter what the coal plants are putting into the air where they have to breathe it.

If you really **don't** like these people you could tell them about the little chunk of Americium in their smoke detectors and watch them rip out every one in the house, given that these sorts have no concept of risk assessment.
 
2012-07-20 03:53:00 PM

maxheck: meat0918:

Virtuoso80: This just in: Radiation is scary, so you don't need to tell people how much radiation they'll be getting, they'll just freak out regardless.

/I told my mother the potassium salt she puts on all her food has tons more radiation than anything she'll get from Japan, and that it's no big deal. She didn't believe me.

Yeah, I told someone they get more cancer causing radiation from 1 minute in the sun than they'll get in their entire lifetime of using a cell phone, and they didn't believe me.

//Cell phones don't emit ionizing radiation.

Whatever you do, don't tell them about the cinder block made of coal ash that makes up their homes / places of work, or for that matter what the coal plants are putting into the air where they have to breathe it.

If you really **don't** like these people you could tell them about the little chunk of Americium in their smoke detectors and watch them rip out every one in the house, given that these sorts have no concept of risk assessment.


This particular woman was trying to get me to wear a face mask while pedaling to work because our air quality is rather poor. I get rained on by a factory I pass on the way to work.

I did report that factory, and come to find out that they are phasing out their formaldehyde using fiber board products, and the steam plume I get rained on from is from a part of the process before they actually press and glue everything together, so it's just saw dust and water that escape their rather state of the art filtration system. They're going to take a look at it though, because this factory does actually have a history of trying to be a good neighbor.

Now, the wood chips and saw dust they use are doug fir, and our doug fir does have some naturally occurring mercury in it, but I am not worried, as the exposure is so freaking low it won't have much if any effect.
 
2012-07-20 04:06:57 PM
F*cking Russians at this lying sh*t yet again.
 
2012-07-20 04:10:41 PM
If someone is trying to scare you with science, and yet cannot produce numbers with units then someone ain't using science. Yes we will, no doubt get Cs-137 contamination sourced from Fukushima Daiichi on the West Coast because that's how currents work. However there's not a lightning-strike's chance of it dealing you a deathblow.

Which is to say, I'd really pay more attention to avoiding getting struck by lightning.
 
2012-07-20 04:18:14 PM
But when will Godzilla get here?!?!?!?!?
 
2012-07-20 05:41:29 PM
All right! Three-headed salmon!
 
2012-07-20 06:34:40 PM

factoryconnection: If someone is trying to scare you with science, and yet cannot produce numbers with units then someone ain't using science. Yes we will, no doubt get Cs-137 contamination sourced from Fukushima Daiichi on the West Coast because that's how currents work. However there's not a lightning-strike's chance of it dealing you a deathblow.

Which is to say, I'd really pay more attention to avoiding getting struck by lightning.


It did sort-of give a number, an order of magnitude increase in radiation.

Which is a few orders of magnitude from "give a fark," but there you go.
 
2012-07-20 07:17:14 PM
media.moddb.com

don't worry, everything will be alright
 
2012-07-20 07:18:23 PM
www.scenicreflections.com
 
2012-07-20 07:57:08 PM

puffy999: factoryconnection: If someone is trying to scare you with science, and yet cannot produce numbers with units then someone ain't using science. Yes we will, no doubt get Cs-137 contamination sourced from Fukushima Daiichi on the West Coast because that's how currents work. However there's not a lightning-strike's chance of it dealing you a deathblow.

Which is to say, I'd really pay more attention to avoiding getting struck by lightning.

It did sort-of give a number, an order of magnitude increase in radiation.

Which is a few orders of magnitude from "give a fark," but there you go.


Well it did say "~1x10-4" (I assume that was for μc/ml) in 10 years near Baja as a potential maximum but they didn't mention that the worry levels start at 5x10-7 μc/ml or that normal background levels are usually around 1x10-6 or less. Plus they confused contamination with radiation so their not exactly the type of people that I would trust to go to for the best of information.

Not that I believe the article anyway. The solution to pollution is dilution where contamination is involved and there's a good half of a worlds worth of water mixing together between Japan and the US West Coast.
 
2012-07-20 08:42:38 PM

Radioactive Ass: Plus they confused contamination with radiation so their not exactly the type of people that I would trust to go to for the best of information.


Since they didn't even give units to that 1x10-4, I ignored it. :)

I know it was a fool's errand to defend that site, but meh.

It IS funny hearing people who aren't sciency talk about their fears. It is as if they think of "radiation" as Ice 9.
 
2012-07-20 09:12:33 PM
We live in the best of all possible worlds. Certified Fark Nuclear Experts say so.
 
2012-07-20 10:03:10 PM

some_beer_drinker: [media.moddb.com image 379x395]

don't worry, everything will be alright


I'm saving my caps.
 
2012-07-21 12:17:55 AM

Kibbler: We live in the best of all possible worlds. Certified Fark Nuclear Experts say so.


I'm nowhere near a certified expert at Fark or anywhere else but I do know how to read and, perhaps more importantly, understand what I've just read. Unlike some people.

The "Projected" measurements in TFA not only aren't properly quantified for someone to make a judgement but if they are what I think that they are then they are slightly higher than the concern level for a non-nuclear environment but substantially lower than what would become a level of concern in a nuclear environment.

Now if this was off of the coast of Japan during or shortly (as in no more than a day or so) after the accident I might buy these numbers but not thousands of miles and years (or a decade according to TFA) later five thousand miles away. In fact I'm willing to bet that there will be no measurable increase at all during those time periods.because... seawater is already naturally radioactive and you wouldn't be able to discern this over background without using something so sensitive that a dirty cigarette ashtray would set it off (and probably much more so than what you might find off of Baja in a decades time).
 
2012-07-21 03:33:31 AM
Misinformation on Russia Today? I'm shocked. It's not like they're owned by the Russian government and their clips tend to be uploaded to YouTube with tags like "illuminati, 9/11, cover-up, bushco, freemasons, chemtrails, NWO, laetrile, bohemian grove"
 
2012-07-21 08:07:00 AM

Ivo Shandor: Radiation? In my ocean?
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Where's the U-234 in that graph? U-238 decays into U-234, so the two isotopes should be at about equilibrium, and about the same activity.
 
2012-07-21 10:19:56 AM

SwiftFox:

equilibrium


I do not think that word means what you think it means.
 
2012-07-21 10:54:17 AM

fatbear: SwiftFox:

equilibrium

I do not think that word means what you think it means.


I do. U238's half-life is 18,000 times longer than the U234 it decays into, so it reaches an equilibrium of about 55 parts per million in natural uranium samples, and and equal number of (alpha) decays of U-238 and U-234 occur. Depleted uranium is about half as radioactive as natural because the U234 is extracted with the U235.
 
2012-07-21 01:17:24 PM

SwiftFox: Where's the U-234 in that graph? U-238 decays into U-234, so the two isotopes should be at about equilibrium, and about the same activity.


Ask the guys at Woods Hole - it's their graph. I would guess that they're using the total activity from the U-238 decay series.
 
2012-07-21 01:28:26 PM

SwiftFox: fatbear: SwiftFox:

equilibrium

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

I do. U238's half-life is 18,000 times longer than the U234 it decays into, so it reaches an equilibrium of about 55 parts per million in natural uranium samples, and and equal number of (alpha) decays of U-238 and U-234 occur. Depleted uranium is about half as radioactive as natural because the U234 is extracted with the U235.


Unless you're replenishing the quantity of U238, it's constantly decreasing - and not part of a system in equilibrium.
 
2012-07-21 07:27:43 PM

fatbear: SwiftFox: fatbear: SwiftFox:

equilibrium

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

I do. U238's half-life is 18,000 times longer than the U234 it decays into, so it reaches an equilibrium of about 55 parts per million in natural uranium samples, and and equal number of (alpha) decays of U-238 and U-234 occur. Depleted uranium is about half as radioactive as natural because the U234 is extracted with the U235.

Unless you're replenishing the quantity of U238, it's constantly decreasing - and not part of a system in equilibrium.


True, but since U238 decays so slowly in comparison, the ratio of the two remains very close to the same value.
 
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