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2012-07-21 10:53:03 PM
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studebaker hoch: MeinRS6

studebaker hoch: Meanwhile, over a hundred people lost their lives on US roads today in traffic accidents.

Yet we still drive with our feet while playing Angry Birds on our "smart" phones.

/get some perspective people.

Thanks, dude.

Somehow that just makes mass murder in a theater all seem ok.

Neither one is OK. But we lose more people each year to drownings than we did on 9/11, Columbine, Oklahoma City, and now The Batman Massacre. We lose an order of magnitude more to bad drivers.

We went after Bin Laden with everything we had. But we still allow anyone to drive while in posession of devices known to cause driver distraction.

Best we've come up with so far is "hands free" laws in some states.

Ooh. We need signs in theaters saying "no guns".


Every day in America, another 28 people die as a result of drunk driving crashes. Yet no one is screaming to ban cars or alcohol.


Exactly.

And guns even have a purpose, unlike alcohol which is produced exclusively for adults goofing off.

This maniac killed a dozen people, who aren't coming back, and that sucks. But really, he's a wild statistical point, one out of three hundred million. We've had those in humanity forever. They're never going away, so what.

The problem I see isn't the criminal or the guns.

It's the instant fame these idiots are given by high-definition television news shows, helicopter coverage, his name on every TV in the country, even the president having something to say on TV about the crime.

It's the news coverage that's feeding these guys. From Columbine to Virginia Tech to The Batman Massacre, it's the same. Instant supervillain fame.

Remember when televised baseball was having a problem with drunks running onto the field, back in the 1980's? Televised baseball was really taking off, and guys knew they'd be seen live on TV all over the US, and didn't care if they bought it with a night in the tank. It was getting annoying. So baseball did a really smart thing. When people ran on the field, the cameras all just looked away. The announcer might say "and we had an idiot on the field", but no image would be broadcast, they'd just look at something else. That proved to be the best deterrent of all.

How much of a problem is people running on baseball fields today?

Baseball found the perfect solution, and cost nothing at all to do. Deny them their fame.

News organizations should do the same with these mass shooters. Look at this guy: body armor, gas, bombs, booby traps, gee what else could he have done to look like a super villain on prime-time news? He hit every note. All he forgot to bring was a flame thrower for extra TV scare, but with everything else he had I'm guessing he just didn't have room for one.

Stop televising this crap when it happens. He played you guys like five aces. He won.

And it's just going to happen again.

Unless we can learn to ignore these screaming brats.
 
2012-07-22 12:21:02 AM
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2012-07-22 12:27:22 AM

studebaker hoch: Callous

studebaker hoch: MeinRS6

studebaker hoch: Meanwhile, over a hundred people lost their lives on US roads today in traffic accidents.

Yet we still drive with our feet while playing Angry Birds on our "smart" phones.

/get some perspective people.

Thanks, dude.

Somehow that just makes mass murder in a theater all seem ok.

Neither one is OK. But we lose more people each year to drownings than we did on 9/11, Columbine, Oklahoma City, and now The Batman Massacre. We lose an order of magnitude more to bad drivers.

We went after Bin Laden with everything we had. But we still allow anyone to drive while in posession of devices known to cause driver distraction.

Best we've come up with so far is "hands free" laws in some states.

Ooh. We need signs in theaters saying "no guns".


Every day in America, another 28 people die as a result of drunk driving crashes. Yet no one is screaming to ban cars or alcohol.

Exactly.

And guns even have a purpose, unlike alcohol which is produced exclusively for adults goofing off.

This maniac killed a dozen people, who aren't coming back, and that sucks. But really, he's a wild statistical point, one out of three hundred million. We've had those in humanity forever. They're never going away, so what.

The problem I see isn't the criminal or the guns.

It's the instant fame these idiots are given by high-definition television news shows, helicopter coverage, his name on every TV in the country, even the president having something to say on TV about the crime.

It's the news coverage that's feeding these guys. From Columbine to Virginia Tech to The Batman Massacre, it's the same. Instant supervillain fame.

Remember when televised baseball was having a problem with drunks running onto the field, back in the 1980's? Televised baseball was really taking off, and guys knew they'd be seen live on TV all over the US, and didn't care if they bought it with a night in the tank. It was getting annoying. So baseball did a real ...


can't do that, not in the twitter/cellphone age. you can't cover up these events. they are too big in scope. nice try though
 
2012-07-22 01:49:09 AM

ontariolightning: can't do that, not in the twitter/cellphone age. you can't cover up these events. they are too big in scope. nice try though


Unfortunately you're right. There is too much money involved in getting people to watch television news, buy newspapers, read news websites, etc.

It's the old "If it bleeds, it leads" method of news reporting.

And the political groups are all over it as well. Trying to get people to form their opinions on knee jerk emotional reaction rather than informed and thought out action.

"What? A bunch of people got shot?! Quick let's ban something!"

The Brady Bunch is working overtime to get people to sign petitions and send them donations while they are reacting and emotionally charged. Once people realize that if he hadn't had a rifle he had an apartment full of explosives and therefore clearly had the skills to make bombs. I'll bet there's a good chance he could have just brought a bunch of pipe bombs with him and used those. In fact in a room like that a few nail bombs may have been more deadly.

And the NRA will will work overtime to point out the anti's screaming at the top of their lungs as a reason gun owners need to sign their petitions and and send them donations.

And in the end we will realize like we did with the VT shooter that the solution isn't to try and anticipate and ban any kind of weapon a crazy person will use but to try and identify and intervene to get those crazy people the help they need before they kill a bunch of people. I'm sure once they look into his recent past there will be all kinds of signs that he needed help like there were with Cho, Hasan, McVeigh, Harris, and Klebold.

What happened in that theater wasn't a failure of laws to ban/restrict/regulate the weapons used. there will always be another weapon to use. It was a failure of society to recognize someone's problems and to help them.

And I'm not discounting in any way the responsibility that the killers themselves bare.
 
2012-07-22 02:42:19 PM
ontariolightning

can't do that, not in the twitter/cellphone age. you can't cover up these events. they are too big in scope. nice try though

I'm not saying cover it up - you can't.

But can we pull back the news hype?

The event is not "too big in scope" It was 12 people or so. More will die in drownings today, more in car crashes.

It's a terrible thing that happened, but in terms of national scale, it's very, very small.

If we don't somehow find a way to stop rewarding these cowards by elevating them to Bin Laden status, then people will just keep doing it, and I'll see you in the next "socially isolated person seeks attention" thread.
 
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