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(MSNBC) NewsFlash At least 20 hurt after shooting and possible bomb explosion at Dark Knight Rises film premiere   (usnews.msnbc.msn.com) divider line 3103
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2012-07-20 08:16:43 AM  
James Holmes eh? Anyone have any social media profiles for the guy yet, I keep hititng news stories and a Dr's office.
 
2012-07-20 08:17:05 AM  

Lorelle: Tommy Moo: ABC news confirming suspect as a James Holmes.

Jeez, that's SUCH an uncommon name.

I feel sorry for anyone with that name who is innocent.


Yeah. Please no one run to facebook and post the one white guy in his 20s named James Holmes with a publicly searchable profile in Denver. The dude has a girlfriend and a sense of humor. I seriously doubt it's him.
 
2012-07-20 08:17:09 AM  

Maul555: Holy balls batman! Stuff like this makes me want to get a CCW permit ASAP... I can barely imagine...


You gonna go up against an assault weapon wielding gunman wearing body armor with a handgun? Good luck with that.
 
2012-07-20 08:17:17 AM  
Holy shiat! I know this theater! It is a wildly popular theater because it's so awesome! I'm a mere 40 miles away from it.

Farking stupid!
 
2012-07-20 08:17:43 AM  

ontariolightning: CNN anchor actually said tell me what damage an ak could do in a theatre
im rolling on the ground here


Hell, even on NPR they interviewed someone that was at the theater and they asked him "that must have been a horrible experience, right?"

No, I'm sure it was akin to getting a BJ from Anne Hathaway after winning the lottery and buying your own private island.
 
2012-07-20 08:18:00 AM  

Aar1012: You don't think two of the victims were wealthy socialites with a kid do you? I mean for something like that to happen to a kid could have damaging effects on his psyche, especially if he saw it happen. He might harbor a deep hatred for the underworld (and guns) and want to take action. He'd want to transform into a symbol that'll strike fear into the heart of criminals.

Maybe he'd use his wealth to become a silent guardian, a watchful protector, a Dark Knight...


Not if the media gets to him first.

He'll bear a deep hatred for the free market, (and employment) and want to take public assistance. He'll want to transform into a symbol that'll strike fear into the cushions of couches.

He'd to use his free time to become a vocal contrarian, a tunnel-visioned interjector, a white elephant.
 
2012-07-20 08:18:01 AM  

make me some tea: thejoyofpi: make me some tea: Holy shiat I just woke up to the newsflash flood. What the hell? Who did this and why?

All we know is that it was a white guy

Phew. That's me off the hook.

And just when I was beginning to suspect your involvement...


At one point someone said it was an Indian guy, I was seriously dreading the morning conference call when this would inevitably be brought up.

Must be nice to be a white guy, when one of your people shoots up a theater, he's just a deranged loner :/
 
2012-07-20 08:18:21 AM  
How are those gun laws working out for you now?


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Too soon?
 
2012-07-20 08:18:27 AM  
I'm not sure what I expected this thread to be but it wasn't this. shiatty arguments discussed by people who don't really know what they are talking about.
 
2012-07-20 08:18:37 AM  
$5 says it was a deranged Teabagger who was upset because Limbaugh said the film was anti-Romney.
 
2012-07-20 08:18:49 AM  

MFAWG: Maul555: Holy balls batman! Stuff like this makes me want to get a CCW permit ASAP... I can barely imagine...

You gonna go up against an assault weapon wielding gunman wearing body armor with a handgun? Good luck with that.


heh
 
2012-07-20 08:18:56 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: I never even used the word ban. You wanted me to, because that's all you can argue against.


There's no real other way to take your statement - you stated that we'd be safer without them, which calls for nothing other than a ban.

Go fetch me some numbers. I doubt they say what you want them to.

You've been on Fark long enough to have seen the discussions about what happened after the laws were lifted in DC, laws were changed in Florida, and elsewhere. You've seen this proof. I need to show nothing here as it's already been clearly demonstrated in threads you've participated in.

Not really. DC, Chicago, etc. Try again.

Darrell Issa is no strawman, you take that back. He's a car thief.

Amusing, if nothing else.
 
2012-07-20 08:19:07 AM  

freewill: Jim from Saint Paul: I would assume the 3 month old was there because they couldn't get a babysitter, didn't want to just leave the kid at home and the kid was a heavy sleeper.

Not to get into a fight about it, but I think you're missing the obvious alternative, "not going", which really carries no significant or life-altering drawbacks.

Having a kid doesn't mean giving up your life, but I don't think people are being unreasonable to assume that it involves some minor sacrifices, like not going to a movie at midnight.


Agree 100% as I posted just a little later:

Jim from Saint Paul:

Agreed. Three kids myself. Would never take any of them to the theatre under 6 years old.

Doesn't matter here. Question why, sure. This is Fark however, so there will be people who somehow construe the baby being there as meaning it's the parents fault the kid got shot.

 
2012-07-20 08:19:07 AM  
This is the type of thing that would happen in Saudi Aurora.
 
mjg
2012-07-20 08:19:49 AM  
Geez, I feel sorry for guys with the name James Holmes. Gonna be hell to order a pizza over the next while.
 
2012-07-20 08:19:59 AM  

natas6.0: I don't get the folks who think that this domestic terrorist needs to be questioned, put through the defunct justice system, etc.

He should have been gut shot and left in the room for awhile to think of how famous the media will make the corpse


Because if he is a member of a domestic terrorist group, and it is possible (the out of state plates raise a red flag), police might want to know if anyone else is involved in this attack and if any future attacks are planned.

This weekend is going to be the biggest weekend of the year for movie theaters. I'm sure the police and FBI would rather not have millions of people be sitting ducks for another round of this shiat.

That matters a little more to them right now than bloodlust.
 
2012-07-20 08:20:00 AM  

thejoyofpi: AgtSmithReloaded: So, how long before the media and press start blaming the movie itself (or the genre in general) for the attack? I think it had fark-all to do with the gunman's motive; he probably just needed a venue where a lot of people would be present. But still, you know our outstanding media groups and press out there; they'll find a way to make the movie the reason for this nutbag's rampage.

We know nothing about the gunman's motive. Too early to come to a conclusion either way. It might have had something to do with the movie, or not.


Exactly, Whatever happened to crazy?
 
2012-07-20 08:20:06 AM  

BurnShrike: ronaprhys: Perhaps you'd like to point out where I'm incorrect then. Are guns not designed to kill people? Keep in mind we're talking about hand guns and semi/automatic weapons here, not long guns (which could be used for hunting). They're designed solely for use on people, with the intent to harm/kill.

So what part am I wrong about?

How about the part where you started typing? Firearms are designed for many different things. Are some designed to kill people? Yep - but not all are. To type what you did shows a complete lack of understanding or that you're willing to lie just to try and score political points.

Couple that with the idiotic notion that banning such things would prevent anything and you really demonstrate where you're coming from.

Perhaps you'd like to re-read my statement.


How about the first statement you put in response to mine? The one I quoted and bolded, which you've conveniently left out.

Try harder as right now you look like a cheap political hack.
 
2012-07-20 08:20:14 AM  
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Guess Batman couldn't save the day.
 
2012-07-20 08:20:16 AM  
This kind of thing never happened during showings of Merchant-Ivory films.
 
2012-07-20 08:20:21 AM  

FlashHarry: thejoyofpi: Everyone who actually knows what guns are capable of would have advised you to hand over whatever the mugger asked for peacefully. Your life isn't worth a few dollars.

exactly. which is just what i did. and you know what? i'm still here to talk about it.


Pussy, I would have snapped his neck and then ripped his heart out. JK, Actually I was in a life-threatening situation and I completely froze. Turns out I'm a pussy.
 
2012-07-20 08:20:29 AM  
I'm sure it's been mentioned in the thread already but, wtf was a baby doing there?
 
2012-07-20 08:20:31 AM  

Gunny Highway: I'm not sure what I expected this thread to be but it wasn't this. shiatty arguments discussed by people who don't really know what they are talking about.


You know what website you're on, right?
 
2012-07-20 08:20:39 AM  

thejoyofpi: god I bet /b/tards are gonna feel bad about the defamation and death threats some totally innocent guy who had nothing to do with this is gonna wake up to, because they fingered him as the perp. Oh wait, no, they don't. /b/tards don't have souls.


They all have red hair?
 
2012-07-20 08:20:45 AM  

thejoyofpi: Must be nice to be a white guy, when one of your people shoots up a theater, he's just a deranged loner :/


you know the rules of medial post-911;

brown person - terrorist
black person - terrorist
foreigner - terrorist
non-christian - terrorist
white christian - deranged loner
 
2012-07-20 08:20:59 AM  
Heard about this on the radio. Man, that's horrific.

I heard that federal authorities have confirmed that it's not a "terrorist attack."

Ok. 1) why does it matter what you call it, and 2) where do you draw the line? Is a "terrorist attack" somehow worse than a "horrific crime?" Because if we consider a "terrorist attack" automatically "worse," then aren't we just playing into the hands of terrorists?
 
2012-07-20 08:21:11 AM  

Mrs.Sharpier: I'm sure it's been mentioned in the thread already but, wtf was a baby doing there?


Doesn't really matter in light of what happened.
 
2012-07-20 08:21:20 AM  

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: This kind of thing never happened during showings of Merchant-Ivory films.


Well no one GOES to those.
 
2012-07-20 08:21:28 AM  

USP .45: tacos4jesus: I'm sure this will be lost in the sea of comments, but I'm more than a little disappointed in the flippant comments made here. I'll give the first handful of folks a pass, as things were a bit murky at first, but this is a tragedy and nothing to laugh at.

Imagine if you were a parent of a teenager who lives in the area who was going to see the movie and you didn't pay very close attention to which theater. I imagine a LOT of frantic voicemails were left for kids last night, and a lot of parents sat up for hours terrified and wondering when/if their children were coming hom.

I don't think anyone making a joke about this literally believes there is anything funny about it, but people often deal with tension via humor;

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That, or they just don't give a fark.
 
2012-07-20 08:21:38 AM  

indarwinsshadow: How are those gun laws working out for you now?


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Too soon?


Pretty well, I'd say... how's being a reactionary pussy who would give legislative control over to insane people working out for you? As a side note, do you really think criminals in states with tougher gun control can't get guns?
 
2012-07-20 08:22:09 AM  

CliChe Guevara: thejoyofpi: Must be nice to be a white guy, when one of your people shoots up a theater, he's just a deranged loner :/

you know the rules of medial post-911;

brown person - terrorist
black person - terrorist
foreigner - terrorist
non-christian - terrorist
white christian - deranged loner


they never claim black people are terrorists
maybe gang related but never terrorists
 
2012-07-20 08:22:22 AM  
I'll feel a lot better when my friend from Aurora wakes up and calls me. Those poor people. Who would imagine that going to see Batman would turn lethal?
 
2012-07-20 08:22:30 AM  
Picture of shooter:

i.imgur.com

Reportedly yelled something before shooting... not quite understood through the gas mask.

/OK, that's enough snark from me.... this was a real tragedy. This guy deserves the death penalty, easily
 
2012-07-20 08:22:33 AM  

ronaprhys: BurnShrike: ronaprhys: Perhaps you'd like to point out where I'm incorrect then. Are guns not designed to kill people? Keep in mind we're talking about hand guns and semi/automatic weapons here, not long guns (which could be used for hunting). They're designed solely for use on people, with the intent to harm/kill.

So what part am I wrong about?

How about the part where you started typing? Firearms are designed for many different things. Are some designed to kill people? Yep - but not all are. To type what you did shows a complete lack of understanding or that you're willing to lie just to try and score political points.

Couple that with the idiotic notion that banning such things would prevent anything and you really demonstrate where you're coming from.

Perhaps you'd like to re-read my statement.

How about the first statement you put in response to mine? The one I quoted and bolded, which you've conveniently left out.

Try harder as right now you look like a cheap political hack.


I was clarifying my position. Only an idiot would think this guy took a starter pistol or a hunting rifle into the theatre with him. No, he used an automatic weapon, which has the sole purpose of killing people.
 
2012-07-20 08:23:01 AM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: This kind of thing never happened during showings of Merchant-Ivory films.

Well no one GOES to those.


I dunno. If I would have had a gun 1/2 way through The English Patient,. I ,might have shot myself...

/ok, I'm lying, I actually enjoyed it.
//Only Merchant Ivory flick I have seen in the theatre I think
 
2012-07-20 08:23:06 AM  

deffuse: JohnnyC: Shadow Blasko: Besides the fact that the child should not be there, exposing infants to 90db+ intentionally for your own entertainment should be considered child abuse.

Car seat + blankets/padding/hats/etc and that kid isn't hearing anything close to 90db. Driving on the highway in a car with the windows open produces about 70db +/-... I think you're going a bit over the top with "child abuse".

Driving a car with the windows open is about the same as a normal conversation? Hmmmmm, you must talk really loud or have a really really REALLY quiet car.


db is logarithmic I think, double the sound for every 10 db if I remember correctly. Whisper in quiet library, 30 db. Normal conversation is 8x louder at 60-65 db, which is half as loud as the 70 db of a car, which is 4x quieter than 90 db movie, which 4x quieter than a 110 db concert, which is 8x quieter than a jet engine at 100' at 140 db which causes permanent damage even with short exposure without protection, which iis 32x quieter than the loudest sound possible at 194 db. If I did my math right that is...
 
2012-07-20 08:23:08 AM  

Carth: FlashHarry: stuffer: jaytkay: MythDragon: And this is why I carry I gun when I go to the movies. And well, everywhere else.

You would have been awesome, shooting in a dark theatre full of tear gas and panicked people running in all directions.

just aim for the muzzle flash

this guy was apparently wearing tactical gear and carrying smoke bombs. how do you know he didn't have a suppressor?

Even if you have a suppressor most gunshots are still really loud (around 130 Db). Unless the movie theater had the volume really cranked up to rock concert levels you'd still hear it.


the previous poster was talking about aiming for the muzzle flash.

as for sounds, you really shouldn't play cowboy in a dark, crowded theater full of panicked people by "aiming for the sound" of gunfire. you'd be adding to the problem.
 
2012-07-20 08:23:10 AM  

BurnShrike: Gunny Highway: I'm not sure what I expected this thread to be but it wasn't this. shiatty arguments discussed by people who don't really know what they are talking about.

You know what website you're on, right?


I manage to dodge the shiatstorm generally.
 
2012-07-20 08:23:24 AM  

ontariolightning: CliChe Guevara: thejoyofpi: Must be nice to be a white guy, when one of your people shoots up a theater, he's just a deranged loner :/

you know the rules of medial post-911;

brown person - terrorist
black person - terrorist
foreigner - terrorist
non-christian - terrorist
white christian - deranged loner

they never claim black people are terrorists
maybe gang related but never terrorists


hmm. very good point.
 
2012-07-20 08:23:32 AM  
I feel like a couple months from now, the Onion may be writing another article similar to this
 
2012-07-20 08:23:34 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Mrs.Sharpier: I'm sure it's been mentioned in the thread already but, wtf was a baby doing there?

Doesn't really matter in light of what happened.


Or you could say it matters way more.
 
2012-07-20 08:23:48 AM  

Chummer45: Ok. 1) why does it matter what you call it, and 2) where do you draw the line? Is a "terrorist attack" somehow worse than a "horrific crime?" Because if we consider a "terrorist attack" automatically "worse," then aren't we just playing into the hands of terrorists?


Yeah when the first plane hit the WTC it wouldn't matter if they called it an accident or a terrorist attack, that wouldn't affect how people should react in second building at all.

lol @ you trying to act all socially conscious, buffoon.
 
2012-07-20 08:23:57 AM  

WhyteRaven74: MythDragon: And this is why I carry I gun when I go to the movies. And well, everywhere else.

Cause that would be so useful in a situation like this.


Actualy it would. I'm not gonna go after the guy, that would probably just get me shot. So unless he's directly in my path and about to fire at me, I wouldn't be shooting at him. No, the gun would be useful for clearing slower people out of my way. Got a fattie waldling down the aisle? Pop him once in the leg and hop over him. Plus his mass provides cover if you keep low. You don't have to be the fastest target, you just don't want to be the easiest.

jaytkay: MythDragon: And this is why I carry I gun when I go to the movies. And well, everywhere else.

You would have been awesome, shooting in a dark theatre full of tear gas and panicked people running in all directions.


I know, right? I'd be all like BLAM BLAM PEW PEW PEW, and the guy would be all Dang! And then I'd be like WOOT! 'Sup now, Biatches?
 
2012-07-20 08:24:04 AM  

Gunny Highway: I'm not sure what I expected this thread to be but it wasn't this. shiatty arguments discussed by people who don't really know what they are talking about.


i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-07-20 08:24:25 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Mrs.Sharpier: I'm sure it's been mentioned in the thread already but, wtf was a baby doing there?

Doesn't really matter in light of what happened.


I think it really does matter.
 
2012-07-20 08:24:42 AM  

ontariolightning: CliChe Guevara: thejoyofpi: Must be nice to be a white guy, when one of your people shoots up a theater, he's just a deranged loner :/

you know the rules of medial post-911;

brown person - terrorist
black person - terrorist
foreigner - terrorist
non-christian - terrorist
white christian - deranged loner

they never claim black people are terrorists
maybe gang related but never terrorists


unless the black person converted to Islam, in which cases, totes Al Qaeda
 
2012-07-20 08:24:52 AM  

Chummer45: Heard about this on the radio. Man, that's horrific.

I heard that federal authorities have confirmed that it's not a "terrorist attack."

Ok. 1) why does it matter what you call it, and 2) where do you draw the line? Is a "terrorist attack" somehow worse than a "horrific crime?" Because if we consider a "terrorist attack" automatically "worse," then aren't we just playing into the hands of terrorists?


The difference, as best I can tell is that if this guy was part of a network or group that was targeting people for a reason, then we would need to keep hunting for his compatriots before they got a chance to hurt more people... whereas if this is just a guy who is convinced that he is a moon master and this is what he needs to do to hitch a ride with aliens, odds are that he doesn't have a lot of people joining up with him
 
2012-07-20 08:25:02 AM  

Ricardo Klement: CNN anchor just said, "AK-type shotgun."


So, like a Saiga then?
 
2012-07-20 08:25:10 AM  
. THIS is how you defeat Hollywood and if you defeat Hollywood you defeat America

Shoot up movie theatres to make Americans not go to movies
Movie companies lose millions of dollars
They stop making movies

Hollywood dies

Whole World benefits from such tragedy
 
2012-07-20 08:25:24 AM  

ronaprhys: HotWingConspiracy: I never even used the word ban. You wanted me to, because that's all you can argue against.

There's no real other way to take your statement - you stated that we'd be safer without them, which calls for nothing other than a ban.


I never stated that. You're having a fantasy argument with a fantasy poster.

Go fetch me some numbers. I doubt they say what you want them to.

You've been on Fark long enough to have seen the discussions about what happened after the laws were lifted in DC, laws were changed in Florida, and elsewhere. You've seen this proof. I need to show nothing here as it's already been clearly demonstrated in threads you've participated in.


No, I've never seen any proof that guns are the reason crime goes down. Never.

Not really. DC, Chicago, etc. Try again.

Prove it. You can't. You can suggest that is maybe a factor, but that's about it.
 
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