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2012-07-19 10:06:45 PM
hell no! but it's more fun when you have a fun stick shift car, e.g Mazda3!
 
2012-07-19 10:13:11 PM
i.imgur.com

My ride, stick, it would be a waste as an automatic.
 
2012-07-19 10:18:52 PM
One of my few regrets is that I never learned how to drive stick. An ex-bf tried to teach me once, but he got so pissy with me when I stalled it once that I just decided it wasn't worth the hassle.
 
2012-07-19 10:20:32 PM
This question might have raised an argument thirty years ago.

/today: meh
 
2012-07-19 10:21:01 PM

miss diminutive: One of my few regrets is that I never learned how to drive stick. An ex-bf tried to teach me once, but he got so pissy with me when I stalled it once that I just decided it wasn't worth the hassle.


It is worth the hassle, get a couple lessons somehow, and learn how to drive a stick!
 
2012-07-19 10:23:05 PM
Automatics are a lot better than they used to be, but there is a lot of enjoyment to be had in making a perfect 2-3 upshift, or matching revs on a downshift closely enough to avoid giving up traction on a wet curve.
 
2012-07-19 10:25:50 PM
Not to mention mpg goes way up with a stick.
 
2012-07-19 10:33:47 PM
I have a stick. I'm over it. I can't talk on the phone or shave.
 
2012-07-19 10:41:21 PM
If you can't drive stick, you can't drive yet.

That's pretty much how it goes. Sure you can navigate an automatic passenger car from A to B without killing anyone, but you couldn't use a stick.

On the other hand someone who can drive stick can also drive automatic without so much as moment's hesitation. It's a superior skill. Literally it trumps the other kind of driving.
 
2012-07-19 10:47:49 PM

kimwim: Not to mention mpg goes way up with a stick.


That might be a harder sell these days. Toyota and Honda peg their manual and auto models within 1mpg of each other, and those estimates are by a trained pro who knows exactly when and how to shift to keep the mileage up. I suspect real-world mileage might actually be a tad worse for the manuals. (especially since people who have a manual often *enjoy* driving, instead of simply tolerating it.)

But, hey, I tell everyone I drive a station wagon because of the excellent safety record and family-friendly roomy interior. The shrieking turbo and W-rated tires are just for... um... highway safety! help me out here...
 
2012-07-19 10:48:18 PM
If you have a manual transmission, it helps to know how to drive a stick.

What an idiotic, FARK ready article.

/CNN, the Children's Neato Network
 
2012-07-19 10:52:15 PM

miss diminutive: One of my few regrets is that I never learned how to drive stick. An ex-bf tried to teach me once, but he got so pissy with me when I stalled it once that I just decided it wasn't worth the hassle.


You have to stall it a few times. That's just how it goes. Then it clicks and you're in. Give it another chance.
 
2012-07-19 11:04:46 PM

revrendjim: You have to stall it a few times. That's just how it goes. Then it clicks and you're in. Give it another chance.


Are you still talking about driving? Because that gave me a boner.
 
2012-07-19 11:23:50 PM
I enjoy driving my standards. My daughter wants nothing to do with automatics. My son wants nothing to do with standards. The other kids want to learn to drive standard. If they can, great. If not, eh. Whatever.
 
2012-07-19 11:59:07 PM
i haven't owned a manual since the old honda civic i learned on, but i still can't get comfortable steering with my right hand. even on really long road trips i drive with the left hand and rest my right on the center console, preferably gripping whatever automatic shifter is there.
 
2012-07-20 12:01:03 AM
Road tests should be taken with a stick shift, because that's what you're applying for a license to drive.

On the plus side, at least I won't have any no driving skills retards asking to borrow my car, or jacking it.
 
2012-07-20 12:04:49 AM

miss diminutive: One of my few regrets is that I never learned how to drive stick. An ex-bf tried to teach me once, but he got so pissy with me when I stalled it once that I just decided it wasn't worth the hassle.


It's incredibly worth it. You should try again with somebody who isn't an impatient sissy. Stalling out is just part of the deal when you're learning.
 
2012-07-20 12:04:56 AM

TommyymmoT: Road tests should be taken with a stick shift, because that's what you're applying for a license to drive.

On the plus side, at least I won't have any no driving skills retards asking to borrow my car, or jacking it.


you don't have to lend me your car, but you can't stop me from jacking it.
 
2012-07-20 12:05:26 AM
Knowing how to swim, cook perform CPR, do your own home repairs, fixing your own computer, etc isn't essential either, but wouldn't you rather know how?

I can't think of a single person who would regret knowing how to do those things.
 
2012-07-20 12:07:32 AM

thomps: TommyymmoT: Road tests should be taken with a stick shift, because that's what you're applying for a license to drive.

On the plus side, at least I won't have any no driving skills retards asking to borrow my car, or jacking it.

you don't have to lend me your car, but you can't stop me from jacking it.


I've heard of several car jacking attempts that failed because the thief couldn't figure out how to make the thing go.
 
2012-07-20 12:07:36 AM

TommyymmoT: Knowing how to swim, cook perform CPR, do your own home repairs, fixing your own computer, etc isn't essential either, but wouldn't you rather know how?

I can't think of a single person who would regret knowing how to do those things.


maybe, but the barrier to entry for learning to drive a stick is fairly steep - not that many people are willing to let someone destroy their transmission in order to learn.
 
2012-07-20 12:08:12 AM

TommyymmoT: thomps: TommyymmoT: Road tests should be taken with a stick shift, because that's what you're applying for a license to drive.

On the plus side, at least I won't have any no driving skills retards asking to borrow my car, or jacking it.

you don't have to lend me your car, but you can't stop me from jacking it.

I've heard of several car jacking attempts that failed because the thief couldn't figure out how to make the thing go.


oh. right. car jacking.
 
2012-07-20 12:10:30 AM
I learned on a '71 Jeepster Commando. I also learned how to use the other PITA stick, and lock and unlock the hubs with a rock. I still have the Jeep.
 
2012-07-20 12:12:17 AM
I learned how to drive on a manual column shift

/with overdrive
//leavest thou my greensward
 
2012-07-20 12:15:37 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I learned how to drive on a manual column shift

/with overdrive
//leavest thou my greensward


That was my second manual transmission, on a work truck. Before that, I learned on a VW Van in 1976. Now THAT's a manual.

/like a damn 18 wheeler
 
2012-07-20 12:15:41 AM

miss diminutive: One of my few regrets is that I never learned how to drive stick. An ex-bf tried to teach me once, but he got so pissy with me when I stalled it once that I just decided it wasn't worth the hassle.


Everyone stalls the first time. Your bf was a douche, good thing he's an ex.
 
2012-07-20 12:19:49 AM

nvmac: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I learned how to drive on a manual column shift

/with overdrive
//leavest thou my greensward

That was my second manual transmission, on a work truck. Before that, I learned on a VW Van in 1976. Now THAT's a manual.

/like a damn 18 wheeler


Heh... I owned a '63 Bus

/4 inches of free play in the steering
//and a manual
 
2012-07-20 12:24:33 AM
I drive a stick and ride a motorcycle. I'm a little bit of a control freak where shifting gears is concerned.
 
2012-07-20 12:54:48 AM
The only thing that sucks about being able to drive a stick is that it narrows down the designated driver pool. I'm 38 (no spring chicken) but for some reason I'm still the 4th dentist who doesn't own an automatic no matter where I am.

Every day, at least 20 people in America try to carjack someone and cheese it or get arrested when it turns out to be a stick (citation needed, but we've all seen these stories).

Anyway, I love manuals. I'm a huge gearhead and automatics are the bane of my existence. I despise them. If given the opportunity to drive your automatic to the store to pick up ice cream because you're pregnant or just being you vs. driving a stick four states away for a pack of cigarettes - I'm taking the manual.

Some of the most underpowered but entertaining cars I've ever driven (Honda CRX and other foreign 4-bangers) were fun as hell because they were sticks. The automatic versions were like driving a grandfather clock.

Full disclosure, noted in profile: I'm a raging motorcycle commuter nerd, so what I say about cars should be largely ignored. Except transmissions. Not shifting gears every few seconds is like a day without sunshine.

How do you folks live like that? It's like farking in the same position for all those cumulative hours you'll spend driving in your whole life, man. Communicate with your machine, dammit.

/wegotabadassoverhere.jpg
 
2012-07-20 12:59:56 AM
Is knowing how to drive stick in America still essential?

Only if she wants a second date.
 
2012-07-20 01:00:33 AM
Why WOULDN'T you at least want to have that skillset? If nothing else, it at least opens up avenues for buying different vehicles.

Plus, hey, that's a skill that's transferable to riding a motorcycle.
 
2012-07-20 01:04:49 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: miss diminutive: One of my few regrets is that I never learned how to drive stick. An ex-bf tried to teach me once, but he got so pissy with me when I stalled it once that I just decided it wasn't worth the hassle.

It's incredibly worth it. You should try again with somebody who isn't an impatient sissy. Stalling out is just part of the deal when you're learning.


That's what I figured, stalling is just part of the learning experience. Apparently he learned to drive without stalling (so he claimed). He was kind of a douche when it came to things like that, not surprisingly we didn't last very long after that.

I would ask my dad, since he was the one who taught me to drive in the first place, but he's got the worst case of invisible brake syndrome* that just makes me tense up and forget what I'm doing.

*while in the passenger seat his foot slams the floorboard instinctively, looking for the brake pedal that isn't there
 
2012-07-20 01:07:26 AM
My second car was a '73 Nova, with a 3 speed on the floor. I asked my dad to teach me to drive it. My lesson was as follows "Brian give it equal smooth clutch release to gas" "The game is back on" He walked away.
 
2012-07-20 01:12:53 AM

miss diminutive: The My Little Pony Killer: miss diminutive: One of my few regrets is that I never learned how to drive stick. An ex-bf tried to teach me once, but he got so pissy with me when I stalled it once that I just decided it wasn't worth the hassle.

It's incredibly worth it. You should try again with somebody who isn't an impatient sissy. Stalling out is just part of the deal when you're learning.

That's what I figured, stalling is just part of the learning experience. Apparently he learned to drive without stalling (so he claimed). He was kind of a douche when it came to things like that, not surprisingly we didn't last very long after that.

I would ask my dad, since he was the one who taught me to drive in the first place, but he's got the worst case of invisible brake syndrome* that just makes me tense up and forget what I'm doing.

*while in the passenger seat his foot slams the floorboard instinctively, looking for the brake pedal that isn't there


Learn by yourself if at all possible. I learned on a big block V8 '66 Chevy and as long as my granddad was screaming at me to stop stalling out I couldn't help but stall. As soon as I had it on my own I was literally peeling rubber (old tires). Good times.
 
2012-07-20 01:15:58 AM
Curiously Nugatory News

(look it up)
 
2012-07-20 01:16:25 AM
Learned on a 65 Impala, 3 on the tree, manual steering and brakes.

After that I can drive anything.

// Currently own a manual transmission, wouldn't miss having it on hilly terrain or in wet weather, which Seattle has both in abundance.
 
2012-07-20 01:19:08 AM

dopeydwarf: miss diminutive: The My Little Pony Killer: miss diminutive: One of my few regrets is that I never learned how to drive stick. An ex-bf tried to teach me once, but he got so pissy with me when I stalled it once that I just decided it wasn't worth the hassle.

It's incredibly worth it. You should try again with somebody who isn't an impatient sissy. Stalling out is just part of the deal when you're learning.

That's what I figured, stalling is just part of the learning experience. Apparently he learned to drive without stalling (so he claimed). He was kind of a douche when it came to things like that, not surprisingly we didn't last very long after that.

I would ask my dad, since he was the one who taught me to drive in the first place, but he's got the worst case of invisible brake syndrome* that just makes me tense up and forget what I'm doing.

*while in the passenger seat his foot slams the floorboard instinctively, looking for the brake pedal that isn't there

Learn by yourself if at all possible. I learned on a big block V8 '66 Chevy and as long as my granddad was screaming at me to stop stalling out I couldn't help but stall. As soon as I had it on my own I was literally peeling rubber (old tires). Good times.


That's a good idea. I just need to find a gullible generous friend who'll lend me their manual car and while not wanting to be in the car while I drive it.
 
2012-07-20 01:44:18 AM

dickfreckle: Not shifting gears every few seconds is like a day without sunshine.


Damn skippy
 
2012-07-20 02:30:57 AM

miss diminutive: One of my few regrets is that I never learned how to drive stick. An ex-bf tried to teach me once, but he got so pissy with me when I stalled it once that I just decided it wasn't worth the hassle.


If you have the coordination to use a video game controller, you certainly have the coordination to drive stick. My car is a manual and I prefer it that way, but my town has very little congestion. If I was in stop-start traffic every day, I might just prefer an automatic. If I'm ever in the position to buy a performance car, I would insist on a manual, though.

Horses for courses, really.
 
2012-07-20 02:51:28 AM

kimwim: [i.imgur.com image 717x960]

My ride, stick, it would be a waste as an automatic.


Are we supposed to be reading something more into that picture?
 
2012-07-20 03:33:34 AM

doglover: dickfreckle: Not shifting gears every few seconds is like a day without sunshine.

Damn skippy


I shift gears as often as you post ponies!

You scarred me in that TFD thread. Don't recall headline, but the ponies just would not stop. Nevertheless, you're fav'd.

/please stop with the ponies shaking ass
 
2012-07-20 03:40:28 AM
I tried to learn how to drive a manual one evening many moons ago since I was supposed to be the DD. I got it into 2nd gear and stalled out trying to downshift into 1st at a stop sign. Repeatedly.

Needless to say I got so farking plastered that night that I was talking to an FSU student.

/and yes, from my point of view as a Gators fan that was a very bad thing, no matter how attractive
 
2012-07-20 04:12:54 AM

dickfreckle: /please stop with the ponies shaking ass


Molestia gifs are for special occasions.
 
2012-07-20 04:35:28 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I learned how to drive on a manual column shift

/with overdrive
//leavest thou my greensward


The last person I knew who could handle a three-on-the-tree was a WWII veteran.

Dost thou have a root vegetable upon thy halberd?
 
2012-07-20 04:36:40 AM
Could have just asked these guys:

stblogs.motortrend.com

Or these:

www.blogcdn.com

No comment:

www.mediaspy.org
 
2012-07-20 04:38:04 AM
My daughter and friends went into town to watch latest Batman movie.

Came back and found they'd left lights on and battery flat.

Me: "Did you try push starting it?"

Her: 'WTF is that? How wd that work'

/yeah I know onions, belt, lawns
 
2012-07-20 04:38:57 AM
I love driving my five speed. Not only am i used to it, and am more comfortable than with a automatic, i don't have to worry about the hood rats stealing it when i take the missus into town.

/just saying.
 
2012-07-20 04:39:06 AM
I haven't heard anybody state the obvious. If you're a guy, and can't drive a stick shift, you're not a real man.

// Just stating the facts. Can you handle the truth?
 
2012-07-20 04:39:27 AM
even funner than learning to drive a stick, driving a semi and not using the clutch like you would be accustomed to in a regular manual transmission.

/that and 13 or more gears you get to shift through to get up to speed.
 
2012-07-20 04:49:52 AM
I have a stick, next car will be automatic, no reason for me to do the work. I wish the next car would just drive itself, but probably not.
 
2012-07-20 04:57:47 AM
I have owned dozens of cars, new and vintage. Have 7 now, all stick.

I have only ever owned 3 automatics; two of them were vintage hearses that came with no manual option, one a temporary summer car in college I got for $50.
 
2012-07-20 05:01:27 AM
I think that knowing how to drive a stick should be part of drivers ed (along with how to change a flat, that it is okay to drive a short distance off the freeway and to a parking lot on a flat/blow out instead of risking your life changing a flat on the side of a highway, that you don't have to come to a complete stop when turning into a parking lot, when the sign says that your exit is in 2 miles, move over now, not in 1.9999 miles, and a few other things).

I would happily own another stick, however, I lost the use of my right shoulder so I only drive stick when I absolutely have to. Last time was when I was shadowing a delivery driver for a job that I had gotten hired for. He stalled the deliver truck under an over pass and knowing about my bum shoulder, still had me drive the truck because his license was suspended and if a cop came by to see if we were in need of assistance he could be arrested for driving on that suspended license (Once we got back to the shop I quit).

Last month I trained to be a car salesmen and the trainer said that with the technology as advanced as it is, manual transmissions are becoming less and less. Kia, for example, only has two or three models that have stick options, and even those are hard to find. The first time I sold cars I was told that driving stick was required. Now it's not because there are so few being made any more. All the advantages with stick are now in automatics. Some cars will always have stick. It's next to impossible to imagine Ferrari going to all automatics. Chevy, Ford, Honda: yeah, they may completely phase out the manual transmission.

I have two nieces, ages 10 and 5. They very well may go through life not knowing that there ever was a manual option for cars.
 
2012-07-20 05:02:17 AM
I won't drive anything but a stick.

Part of that has to do with the assrapey costs of repairing a slushbox.

$500 and a weekend will get another 150k+ out of a stick. No way in hell will I pay $4k-$7k for a slushbox rebuild.
 
2012-07-20 05:02:31 AM
In the UK if you pass your test in an automatic you are only allowed to drive automatics (most pass in a manual),

How does it work over there?
 
2012-07-20 05:03:14 AM
One of my cars is an auto, the other in a manual. I really have no preference one way or the other. After many years of driving a manual, its all essentially "automatic" anyway. I don't even notice clutching or shifting most of the time.
 
2012-07-20 05:11:11 AM

Feed_The_Walrus: In the UK if you pass your test in an automatic you are only allowed to drive automatics (most pass in a manual),

How does it work over there?


There is no license for automatics or manuals.

I passed my drivers test in an automatic, got my license, then my dad taught me how to drive a stick. He gave me the basics, then said that we were going on a small little road trip and that I was driving. I asked how far, he said until the gas gauge hit the one quarter full mark. Then we were to gas up. Every time I stalled the truck I had to pay $1 towards the gas (this was back when gas was under a dollar a gallon). I paid for half the gas when we filled up. And this wasn't an easy get onto the freeway, get into fifth gear and stay there road trip. This was city and country driving, plenty of stop and go traffic, plenty of shifting up and down. Great experience.
 
2012-07-20 05:12:54 AM
If nothing else, it gets you to pay attention more to the damn road and what you're doing instead of fiddling with your hair/radio/ipod/cell phone/GPS/whatever.

There are too many distractions in today's cars, and in automatic transmissions its easy to forget what's going on outside the vehicle. If nothing else, having a stick at least maintains that some of your undivided attention should be spent on what its supposed to be spent on: Driving.
 
2012-07-20 05:13:32 AM
Do they even teach it anymore? My hubby wanted to learn because he wants to be able to drive in Europe (he only got his drivers' license when he was 37), but he couldn't find anyone who teaches it.
 
2012-07-20 05:19:05 AM
In my late teens/early early twenties, I kinda sorta knew how to drive a stick, but it hardly ever came up.

Then, when I was 24, I started dating my ex, who had a 1300 model VW Bug convertible with a stick and took a summer job working for the Iowa DOT where I had to drive an old Dodge pick up truck with a manual transmission and a four speed on the steering column. I learned in a day.

Later that year, after my ex and I were married, we had her VW Bug as our primary car and I got very, very proficient with a stick. In fact, it was fun, even though the car was a farking death trap. Even better was that since the starter had a flat spot on it and didn't always work due to it, we could still pop start it. Really, I got so good at it that I could pop start that little bug in reverse in less than ten feet, letting it roll down our downhill angled driveway in neutral.

Seriously, there are times now, nearly 40 years gone by, that I really miss that car.
 
2012-07-20 05:19:20 AM
This thread is reminding me of something that really ticks me off. I bought a new Mercedes 'E' class diesel last December. The new 7 speed automatics are very nice compaired to the 2 and 3 speed autos I grew up with. But if I could have bought the true car of my dreams (that I could afford), it would have been the 'E' class 4 cylinder diesel with the 6 speed manual that they sell Everywhere Else In The Farking World But The U.S.!

Apparently nice sedans with manual transmissions are pretty easy to get just about everywhere else but here. Last stick I drove was my 2005 Honda Accord, which had almost all the options but they wouldn't mate the V-6 to the manual trans, it had to be the 2.5 liter 4. I love my Mercedes but I'm finding myself jealous of a friend who just bought a Volkswagon Jetta diesel wagon with a stick.
 
2012-07-20 05:27:08 AM
I'm a blonde, overweight, middle-aged woman.

I take my car in to have the oil changed.

Mechanic gets done with it, and looks for the guy who had to have driven it in.

Because there's no way I'm driving a manual.

Right....

Even better is watching a young mechanic having to ask an older guy to drive my car because he can't.

(They also become very confused when I start asking intelligent questions about the insides of my car.)
 
2012-07-20 05:28:41 AM
I drive stick right now. Frankly I'm not that crazy about and nothing about it has sold me on the whole cult of "dude-stick-is-so-much-better". My next car will be an automatic. I'm ready to go back.

I have a friend/co-worker who heard me say this and commented that I am "a part of the problem". He couldn't tell me what the "problem" is, however.
 
2012-07-20 05:29:54 AM
I don't know how you americans can stay awake while driving - no gear shifting, no interesting curves on the road, just easy driving in a straight line..which...i..s...zzzzzzzz ... boring....zzzzzzzzzz *crash*
 
2012-07-20 05:35:50 AM
I always find it slightly odd that basically all US cars are automatics. In the Uk it is the opposite and virtually no-one drives an automatic. Not really sure why. I suppose you have more control in a manual which can be useful in bad weather but the practical arguments probaly end there.

Basically, it is more manly to drive manual. Like being able to change a tyre or put up shelves. It is just something a guy should be able to do.
 
2012-07-20 05:42:37 AM

doglover:
On the other hand someone who can drive stick can also drive automatic without so much as moment's hesitation.


Except that part where you try to hit the clutch that's not there.
 
2012-07-20 05:43:19 AM

Brigandaca: I always find it slightly odd that basically all US cars are automatics. In the Uk it is the opposite and virtually no-one drives an automatic. Not really sure why. I suppose you have more control in a manual which can be useful in bad weather but the practical arguments probaly end there.

Basically, it is more manly to drive manual. Like being able to change a tyre or put up shelves. It is just something a guy should be able to do.


Manuals are less expensive (automatic transmissions, while common in the US, are still usually about a $2000 "option", even if the standard versions are hard to find), which IMO is a pretty practical reason to go with a manual gearbox.
 
2012-07-20 05:56:09 AM
I've always driven a manual except for the odd occasion when I get a loaner from the garage - they're usually automatics, and I HATE driving them (I'm in Edinburgh, why do garages give automatics as loaners when hardly anyone drives them?) I don't think it's because one is intrinsically better than the other, it's just what I'm used to. Not having a clutch pedal, my foot doesn't know what to do. I panic that I can't change gear fast enough to overtake. I know it's my problem, not the car, but I really just don't like automatics. Edinburgh is a very hilly city, streets are old, twisty-turny, cobbled, and I've never had a problem driving manual.
 
2012-07-20 05:56:10 AM
Yes. Now sit on and rotate.
 
2012-07-20 05:56:21 AM
I enjoyed driving with manual transmission when I lived in an area where all the roads were flat.

Once I moved to where I live now, where there's almost no such thing as a road that isn't on an upgrade or downgrade, I gave it up and bought a car with automatic transmission.
 
2012-07-20 05:57:00 AM
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alicia-logic.com
 
2012-07-20 05:57:48 AM
If your're female and riding with me it is!
 
2012-07-20 05:59:00 AM

kimwim: Not to mention mpg goes way up with a stick.


Only if you do it perfectly, which few people do.
 
2012-07-20 05:59:30 AM

farkityfarker: I enjoyed driving with manual transmission when I lived in an area where all the roads were flat.

Once I moved to where I live now, where there's almost no such thing as a road that isn't on an upgrade or downgrade, I gave it up and bought a car with automatic transmission.


That's where you can let your skills really shine! Where I live, the steep hills in Downtown Seattle are like driving in hard mode, once you master it, you get to claim your bragging rights.
 
2012-07-20 06:02:29 AM

Nightjars: farkityfarker: I enjoyed driving with manual transmission when I lived in an area where all the roads were flat.

Once I moved to where I live now, where there's almost no such thing as a road that isn't on an upgrade or downgrade, I gave it up and bought a car with automatic transmission.

That's where you can let your skills really shine! Where I live, the steep hills in Downtown Seattle are like driving in hard mode, once you master it, you get to claim your bragging rights.


LOL, that's where I live.

I got tired of worrying about backing into the car behind me every time the light turns green.
 
2012-07-20 06:03:33 AM
I used to drive a stick shift. Then I had to drive a van for my company. The first day I took the van was the first day I had driven an automatic in years. So I'm making a delivery and as I was coming up to the address my left foot naturally did what it always does before I apply the brake, it moved over to where the clutch pedal is and once it felt a pedal, it pushed it to the floor. Unfortunately that pedal was that wide brake pedal they put in automatics because apparently people who drive automatics can not only not work their hands while driving, they can't work their feet either, so let's make the brake pedal really wide and extend to where the clutch would be in a stick shift. Long story short, what I thought was the clutch was actually the brake, I ended up stopping short and pissing off the guy behind me. That and I kept reaching for a non existent shifter the whole day I was driving. Stupid automatics.
 
2012-07-20 06:07:42 AM
taught my oldest to drive a stick in an 88 Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coupe. told him upfront i expected to buy a clutch disc and new tires before he had it figured out. He learned quickly enough that I didn't need to replace the clutch disc, but damn he did know wheel hop. If you can drive a 3600lb car with a 2.3 liter and a stick, you can drive anything.

/still have the car and two more kids that will learn to *drive* it
 
2012-07-20 06:13:17 AM
Does anyone here actually think they'll sell manuals in ten years?

Hardly essential.

/yes, I've driven stick my whole life
//next car probably won't have it available with all the fancy computers and whatnot
 
2012-07-20 06:16:30 AM

vatica40: Does anyone here actually think they'll sell manuals in ten years?

Hardly essential.

/yes, I've driven stick my whole life
//next car probably won't have it available with all the fancy computers and whatnot


Yes. The rest of the world drives them.
 
2012-07-20 06:37:49 AM
I learned the basics in an automatic and then Pop took me out into the country with his '66 Ford F-100. I hopped and screeched that thing for the whole lesson (352 V-8).
A couple of days later we went out again and I drove it just fine. He accused me of taking it out on my own! I guess it just worked right because I slept on it.
 
2012-07-20 06:50:45 AM
Compare the average cost of replacing a clutch (manual) to replacing the entire transmission (automatic), and the ten minutes you spent learning stick has just become the highest education/reward payout ratio of you entire life.
 
2012-07-20 06:57:15 AM

doglover: If you can't drive stick, you can't drive yet.

That's pretty much how it goes. Sure you can navigate an automatic passenger car from A to B without killing anyone, but you couldn't use a stick.

On the other hand someone who can drive stick can also drive automatic without so much as moment's hesitation. It's a superior skill. Literally it trumps the other kind of driving.


This.

I have never owned an automatic.

Originally when I bought my car, i wanted a 4- door, but they didnt have a 4- door manual on the VW lot.

I drive a 2-door. I love it because no one asks if they can drive.

Also, you're way less likely to be car jacked these days. My father taught me that.
 
2012-07-20 06:58:45 AM
They stopped teaching manual transmissions in my area back in the early 80s. Half my cars have been manual transmissions, but there is no longer any fuel benefits because of how well automatic transmissions are geared now. I wanted a manual transmission for my latest car, but I literally could not find any in stock in the local area between several different manufacturers. Now I am back to an automatic but have no problems going to a manual for my next car, however that may not even be an option in the future.
 
2012-07-20 07:00:15 AM
WTF? 80 comments and not a single attempt at a cheap "Anderson Cooper" ghey joke? The terrorists are winning. Thanks Fartbongo.
 
2012-07-20 07:08:16 AM
I learned to drive stick in 1979 Opel Ascona while stationed in Germany in 1999. Driving a manual is fun if your not stuck in heavy traffic
 
2012-07-20 07:14:45 AM
I've never understood why people need to be "taught" how to drive a stick. You push in the clutch, put it in gear (they're clearly marked 1-4/5 and R) let out the clutch and go. When the engine starts sounding like its revving a little high, shift to the next gear. How simpler could it be?

The hardest part is learning how to slowly let out the clutch from a full stop, but it should only take you 5 or 6 tries to get the hang of that.
 
2012-07-20 07:20:06 AM

violentsalvation: I learned on a '71 Jeepster Commando. I also learned how to use the other PITA stick, and lock and unlock the hubs with a rock. I still have the Jeep.


i had a 68 Commando, short metal top, w/ Buick V6. what a monster that was. custom headers into glass packs. it sounded like a 1/2 doz. Harleys starting at one time.

shift vehicles are the best. you can accelerate quicker and stop faster.
 
2012-07-20 07:28:08 AM
No. If it was essential, it'd be part of the driving test.

A good thing to know, though? Yes. Like sewing, patching, cooking, firearms and basic carpentry, it's something that you should be familiar with at least the basic principles of just in case it's needed.

ReapTheChaos: I've never understood why people need to be "taught" how to drive a stick. You push in the clutch, put it in gear (they're clearly marked 1-4/5 and R) let out the clutch and go. When the engine starts sounding like its revving a little high, shift to the next gear. How simpler could it be?

The hardest part is learning how to slowly let out the clutch from a full stop, but it should only take you 5 or 6 tries to get the hang of that.


You just named the part that it's hard for most people to figure out without being told (i.e. taught). Also you need to make sure you memorize the layout before you start driving so you're not looking at the shifter every time you change gears, and you have to tell the driver when to switch (3000 rpm usually) and caution them to try to keep the revs in the 2-3000 range while changing.

But yeah, it's a matter of minutes to teach someone the process, the rest is practice. Well, unless you're driving something without synchromesh, in which case they'll need someone looking over their shoulder for a bit and probably a lot of practice off the roads.
 
2012-07-20 07:29:21 AM

ReapTheChaos: I've never understood why people need to be "taught" how to drive a stick. You push in the clutch, put it in gear (they're clearly marked 1-4/5 and R) let out the clutch and go. When the engine starts sounding like its revving a little high, shift to the next gear. How simpler could it be?

The hardest part is learning how to slowly let out the clutch from a full stop, but it should only take you 5 or 6 tries to get the hang of that.


You have obviously never known any of my gf, any of the people I went to high school or college with, or most of the people I work with. It would appear simple, but hand-eye (or even hand-ear) coordination is a real problem for a significant portion of the population from my experience. Even with a lot of driving time, my neighbor ground the gears EVERY SINGLE SHIFT. It nearly killed me.
 
2012-07-20 07:31:46 AM

star_owl: This thread is reminding me of something that really ticks me off. I bought a new Mercedes 'E' class diesel last December. The new 7 speed automatics are very nice compaired to the 2 and 3 speed autos I grew up with. But if I could have bought the true car of my dreams (that I could afford), it would have been the 'E' class 4 cylinder diesel with the 6 speed manual that they sell Everywhere Else In The Farking World But The U.S.!

Apparently nice sedans with manual transmissions are pretty easy to get just about everywhere else but here. Last stick I drove was my 2005 Honda Accord, which had almost all the options but they wouldn't mate the V-6 to the manual trans, it had to be the 2.5 liter 4. I love my Mercedes but I'm finding myself jealous of a friend who just bought a Volkswagon Jetta diesel wagon with a stick.


We had to rent a full-size van in Europe this winter, and I was surprised and pleased to see that it was a diesel with a 6-speed manual. Plus, the gear shift didn't have a 3-foot throw like our '83 Vanagon. It was actually a pretty sweet ride. The real capper was 40+ MPG on the Autostrada.

Tell me again why we can't buy a vehicle like this in the states?

/The only problem was my college buddy trying to convert 1.8 meters into feet quickly when we pulled into an underground parking garage in Geneva.... English major FAIL.
 
2012-07-20 07:38:42 AM

miss diminutive: The My Little Pony Killer: miss diminutive: One of my few regrets is that I never learned how to drive stick. An ex-bf tried to teach me once, but he got so pissy with me when I stalled it once that I just decided it wasn't worth the hassle.

It's incredibly worth it. You should try again with somebody who isn't an impatient sissy. Stalling out is just part of the deal when you're learning.

That's what I figured, stalling is just part of the learning experience. Apparently he learned to drive without stalling (so he claimed). He was kind of a douche when it came to things like that, not surprisingly we didn't last very long after that.

I would ask my dad, since he was the one who taught me to drive in the first place, but he's got the worst case of invisible brake syndrome* that just makes me tense up and forget what I'm doing.

*while in the passenger seat his foot slams the floorboard instinctively, looking for the brake pedal that isn't there


That's why I love that my car has an emergency brake in the middle. So I can yank it while my daughter is driving! (Got her learners license a few weeks ago, I haven't had to yank the e-brake yet!, though I did yank it on a friend whom I was teaching to drive my stick a few months ago just to test his clutch reaction time! )
 
2012-07-20 07:40:42 AM

pkellmey: You have obviously never known any of my gf, any of the people I went to high school or college with, or most of the people I work with. It would appear simple, but hand-eye (or even hand-ear) coordination is a real problem for a significant portion of the population from my experience. Even with a lot of driving time, my neighbor ground the gears EVERY SINGLE SHIFT. It nearly killed me.


Hill starts were my problem. It took me some time to master them.
 
2012-07-20 07:41:11 AM
No, but it's a lot more fun!

Cewley: hell no! but it's more fun when you have a fun stick shift car, e.g Mazda3!


This is why I came into the thread actually. Bought a manual 2010 Mazda 3, new, and still love it to death.

/I named her River.
//even though Jayne is a girls name too.
///My old '96 civic was also lots of fun.
 
2012-07-20 07:46:25 AM

Jim_Callahan: No. If it was essential, it'd be part of the driving test.

A good thing to know, though? Yes. Like sewing, patching, cooking, firearms and basic carpentry, it's something that you should be familiar with at least the basic principles of just in case it's needed.

ReapTheChaos: I've never understood why people need to be "taught" how to drive a stick. You push in the clutch, put it in gear (they're clearly marked 1-4/5 and R) let out the clutch and go. When the engine starts sounding like its revving a little high, shift to the next gear. How simpler could it be?

The hardest part is learning how to slowly let out the clutch from a full stop, but it should only take you 5 or 6 tries to get the hang of that.

You just named the part that it's hard for most people to figure out without being told (i.e. taught). Also you need to make sure you memorize the layout before you start driving so you're not looking at the shifter every time you change gears, and you have to tell the driver when to switch (3000 rpm usually) and caution them to try to keep the revs in the 2-3000 range while changing.

But yeah, it's a matter of minutes to teach someone the process, the rest is practice. Well, unless you're driving something without synchromesh, in which case they'll need someone looking over their shoulder for a bit and probably a lot of practice off the roads.


All you need to do is pull on the handbrake, then very slowly let the clutch out until you find the biting point, the car will start straining at the leash. Once you know where that is there really isn't much more to it. Try holding the car stationary on an incline using only the clutch and accelerator for practice.
 
2012-07-20 07:46:33 AM

MindStalker:
That's why I love that my car has an emergency brake in the middle. So I can yank it while my daughter is driving! (Got her learners license a few weeks ago, I haven't had to yank the e-brake yet!, though I did yank it on a friend whom I was teaching to drive my stick a few months ago just to test his clutch reaction time! )


Ummm... just to make sure, you do know that the parking brake only locks the rear wheels?
And that can be very bad at higher speeds and/or while turning.
 
2012-07-20 07:48:30 AM

kimwim: miss diminutive: One of my few regrets is that I never learned how to drive stick. An ex-bf tried to teach me once, but he got so pissy with me when I stalled it once that I just decided it wasn't worth the hassle.

It is worth the hassle, get a couple lessons somehow, and learn how to drive a stick!


The 'somehow' is the operative part of the puzzle in the modern-day US.

I've never had a stick vehicle. Parents did when I was a little kid, but they were gone before I was 16.

I've asked at least a dozen friends (college dorm-mates and the like) over the years. Invariably they will say "oh sure man, glad to show you", but when you call in the favor, it's always "ummm... really don't want to wreck my clutch bro". At this phase of life, I don't even have any friends who I know own a stick vehicle.

I've gone so far as to call driving schools (no, don't do that) and used car dealers (no, don't do that).

Leaving? Get a $900 car on Craigslist that I can't drive and have it delivered to an empty parking lot I guess. Which I keep meaning to try, but it's just not been that high a priority.

Still, it's kinda embarrassing to be a mid-30s male who's literally never touched a clutch pedal.
 
2012-07-20 07:49:22 AM
Should I teach my son to use a rotary telephone, too?
 
2012-07-20 07:51:54 AM
people who always brag about how awesome a manual transmission is sound a lot like the people who adore every product apple releases, or insist that monster cables make the music sound better.
 
2012-07-20 07:54:29 AM

doglover: If you can't drive stick, you can't drive yet.

That's pretty much how it goes. Sure you can navigate an automatic passenger car from A to B without killing anyone, but you couldn't use a stick.

On the other hand someone who can drive stick can also drive automatic without so much as moment's hesitation. It's a superior skill. Literally it trumps the other kind of driving.


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I bought the current ride about three years ago. I wanted the 5-speed, but it was nowhere to be had in the local area. The dealer located one about three hours away, and sent his lot person to pick it up. The guy arrived at the other dealership, took one look at the car, and called my dealer. "You didn't tell me it was a stick," said he. Turns out he had been ferrying Cadillacs around for the last 30 years and had never driven a manual.
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2012-07-20 07:55:13 AM
It's pretty essential for me.
 
2012-07-20 07:56:55 AM

Gortex: Should I teach my son to use a rotary telephone, too?


I think for most people in the U.S., that is really the mindset. Around 2000 or so, Honda did a small survey that said only 30% of the population was comfortable driving a stick (mostly over the 40+ years old range) and only 15% would purchase one with that feature. So it would appear there is little market for them now.
 
2012-07-20 08:01:59 AM
It is essential if you want to drive an automobile. It is not essential if you want to drive a go-cart.

/My Jeep has 3 pedals and 2 doors
//If I wanted a Hummer, I would call yer mom
 
2012-07-20 08:03:37 AM
While the knuckle-dragging alpha assholes are whining about having to put ANOTHER clutch into their POS car because they were showing off their mad shifting skillz, me and my little auto will be out cruising around!
 
2012-07-20 08:05:57 AM
I just bought my first manual transmission car, and it's a lot of fun. Modern performance-oriented automatics are faster, though. I'm not sure you can even buy a new Ferrari or Lamborghini with a stick. Driving a manual is definitely more engaging & fun, though. Before I picked up my car, my friend let me practice with his Fiat 500, and even his low-100's horsepower car is fun to drive because of the manual transmission (and the fact that it's so small).

I won't say I'll never buy an auto again (if I get a family sedan or something like that, I don't want to bother with shifting), but for any kind of fun-to-drive vehicle, it'll be tough for me to choose an auto.
 
2012-07-20 08:06:49 AM
Only reason to learn to drive a stick is this: when the zombie apocalypse begins, you aren't going to wanna be searching for "just the right car", so it helps to know how to drive as many different types of vehicle as possible.

Beyond that: meh. Not knowing how to drive a stick is like no knowing how to write cursive -- you can live your whole life and never need the skill even once.
 
2012-07-20 08:08:17 AM

Cewley: hell no! but it's more fun when you have a fun stick shift car, e.g MazdaSpeed 3!


Just bought one 3 weeks ago. 263hp. Farking awesome.
 
2012-07-20 08:10:41 AM
I have a 470 horsepower 2011 muscle car... I love driving it, but in city traffic I would dread having a stick... I do though, LOVE the autostick option. I love pushing through gears, hearing the roar of the engine and feeling the smooth shifting... just because it is not "manual" doesn't mean that it is not as fun to drive. Evolving technology just means that it is easier and just as enjoyable.... I can drive stick, but it doesn't mean I want to use a 386 to do Excel spreadsheets either.
 
2012-07-20 08:15:07 AM
Driving a manual transmission is so hard that it is the default in virtually all of the rest of the world. It's worth learning to drive a manual if for no other reason than to avoid being screwed by car rental companies.

I'd add that it's not actually harder IMO to drive a manual over an automatic. Once you learn what the engine sounds like at various conditions you automatically switch gear without thinking too hard about it.

A bigger question for me is why diesel is so unpopular in the US when its an instant way to improve mileage by 30%.
 
2012-07-20 08:15:21 AM
In this thread: old men making fallacious arguments to the effect that everyone else should like what they like
 
2012-07-20 08:16:00 AM

Public Savant: MindStalker:
That's why I love that my car has an emergency brake in the middle. So I can yank it while my daughter is driving! (Got her learners license a few weeks ago, I haven't had to yank the e-brake yet!, though I did yank it on a friend whom I was teaching to drive my stick a few months ago just to test his clutch reaction time! )

Ummm... just to make sure, you do know that the parking brake only locks the rear wheels?
And that can be very bad at higher speeds and/or while turning.


Ha, I know. As I said I've resisted the urge to use it, but am prepared to do so if we are about to collide. The friend thing was in a parking lot going about 5mph and I warned him ahead of time.
 
2012-07-20 08:16:19 AM

Gortex: Should I teach my son to use a rotary telephone, too?


It is pretty funny when you watch someone confront a dial telephone for the first time.

// One of my pet peeves is the continued use of the letters on the phone dial in a telephone number. A couple of weeks ago, I was in a Mass State Park and found some vandalism. I knew I was supposed to call "Park Watch" with their helpful number they post on signs around the park, 1-866-PK-WATCH. I think most cell phones don't show the letters-- at least mine doesn't. I tried to figure it out but gave up quickly.
 
2012-07-20 08:17:58 AM

miss diminutive: One of my few regrets is that I never learned how to drive stick. An ex-bf tried to teach me once, but he got so pissy with me when I stalled it once that I just decided it wasn't worth the hassle.


This is not how you teach someone to learn a manual transmission. I remember cringing while learning in our vomit and white colored 1958 Ford wagon, while my Dad made trenchant observations in the passenger seat. When the time came for our kids to learn (they had already completed driver ed. on a slushbox), I just threw the keys to my '77 SAAB 99 at them and said "Go learn to shift for yourself, just go somewhere I don't have to listen to the gears grind or smell the clutch." We live in the country, so there were no issues with them just going out and learning by themselves.....and they learned.
 
2012-07-20 08:25:16 AM
I learned how to drive on a manual transmission. My first few cars had sticks*, and very occasionally, I still get to drive one. However, I can't really own one now, because the distaffbopper doesn't know how to drive one. Plus, since I'm often either talking on the radio, or sending/receiving Morse, it's nice not to have to drop the mic or key just to shift.

I actually kind of wish I still had a Spit. Fun to drive, and I'm friends with a mechanic now so fixing it as is inevitable would be less of a problem.


*Triumph Spitfire, Subaru station wagon, Nissan Sentra, Ford Escort - all had manual transmissions
 
2012-07-20 08:28:45 AM

kimwim: [i.imgur.com image 717x960]

My ride, stick, it would be a waste as an automatic.


Meriden?
 
2012-07-20 08:29:05 AM
My man card was revoked so long ago it ain't even funny. It stands to reason that I've never driven a stick.

/it also stands to reason that i will die alone and unloved, but i'm used to that
 
2012-07-20 08:29:12 AM

Public Savant: MindStalker:
That's why I love that my car has an emergency brake in the middle. So I can yank it while my daughter is driving! (Got her learners license a few weeks ago, I haven't had to yank the e-brake yet!, though I did yank it on a friend whom I was teaching to drive my stick a few months ago just to test his clutch reaction time! )

Ummm... just to make sure, you do know that the parking brake only locks the rear wheels?
And that can be very bad at higher speeds and/or while turning.


One of the things I really like about winter is that when there is snow on the roads/parking lots, I can use the parking/emergency brake to swing the ass end of my car around hither and yon. It's great for giving the distaffbopper heart attacks when I'm pulling into the driveway.
 
2012-07-20 08:32:56 AM

vatica40: //next car probably won't have it available with all the fancy computers and whatnot


It's hard to believe that I'll ever buy another new car, just because of all the fancy computers and whatnot. I suspect I will not.

The three new cars I have purchased in my life were all sticks, first two had window cranks and no A/C, last one that wasn't an option. You got what you got. Still stripped down by today's standards.

Knees are pretty much shot. I have to keep an auto in the stable now for commuting. Still love the sticks though.
 
2012-07-20 08:35:28 AM

doglover: If you can't drive stick, you can't drive yet.


Oh please, you think you can "drive" because you have a stick? I had the mechanic disable the power steering in my Jeep. Then I took off all the mirrors and pulled out the seats. If you can't work a stick and clutch while putting 30 lbs. of torque on the wheel and sitting backwards in a Jeep with no seats to change lanes, I say you can't drive yet.
 
2012-07-20 08:35:55 AM
At least the article called it stick as opposed to standard. If it's hard to get ahold of, it's not really standard anymore, is it? Nowadays automatic is standard.
 
2012-07-20 08:39:38 AM

Kaymon: At least the article called it stick as opposed to standard. If it's hard to get ahold of, it's not really standard anymore, is it? Nowadays automatic is standard.


This is only true in the US. Overseas it is stick that is still standard.

Funny enough, I had a conversation with a Russian friend of mine, he said the only reason people drive stick in Europe is because they are to cheap to buy automatics!

So many people with onions on their belts in this thread!!
 
2012-07-20 08:43:24 AM
i.telegraph.co.uk

Scoffs at all of you pansies.
 
2012-07-20 08:46:25 AM

enderthexenocide: people who always brag about how awesome a manual transmission is sound a lot like the people who adore every product apple releases, or insist that monster cables make the music sound better.


Untrue. Apple products are a fad, monster cables are great but not the end-all and be-all of sound...

But driving a manual transmission is something everyone should at least know how to do. I put up with my clutch in traffic times and sometimes curse having one, but it keeps me awake when I drive sleepy, my fuel consumption is better than most people I know who drive autos, and they're less expensive to buy. It's called a STANDARD transmission for a reason.

Ok yes, I do stomp on the floor in every auto I drive now, and if u had a stroke my mister would probably panic since he himself can't drive one, but manuals are stolen far less frequently and a clutch is easier to replace than an automatic transmission.

/off soapbox
 
2012-07-20 08:49:04 AM
Unless you're a valet, it isn't essential. Pisses me off to no end that I now have to ask the valet if he knows how to drive stick. But still something everyone should learn.
 
2012-07-20 08:49:31 AM
Up here in Europe, you won't be allowed to ride stick if you pass your test in an automatic, so pretty much only handicapped people take such a restricted license at the moment.

Today, I see 2 out of 5 used cars for sale where I live are automatics. Can't say I like where this is heading.
 
2012-07-20 08:49:38 AM
2004 Toyota RAV4 - 5 speed stick - wouldn't have it any other way. I love a manual trans!

Just watch when you have to go through emissions testing (in MD), I usually have to wait 1/2 hour because these idiots don't know what to do with "that stick in the middle". Oh, and valet parking...
 
2012-07-20 08:51:20 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: Scoffs at all of you pansies.


Before the age of 8, all my vehicles were powered that way.

//Those were much simpler times and onion belts were cheap.
 
2012-07-20 08:51:53 AM

ArcadianRefugee: Only reason to learn to drive a stick is this: when the zombie apocalypse begins, you aren't going to wanna be searching for "just the right car", so it helps to know how to drive as many different types of vehicle as possible.

Beyond that: meh. Not knowing how to drive a stick is like no knowing how to write cursive -- you can live your whole life and never need the skill even once.


That's the mindset of why a lot of things fall by the wayside.

Why write thank you notes when an Egreeting works?

Why bother learning cursive, no one knows how anymore?

Why bother cooking when McDonalds is just up the street?

Why bother walking when I can just stuff my rolls into a Hoveround?

Mentalities like that are the death of society.

That's why I handwrite letters, know my neighbors, make my own marinara sauce and don't just open jars, and will ALWAYS drive a stick. I refuse to get what I consider to be lazy.
 
2012-07-20 08:52:48 AM
Oh - and also - I wasn't allowed to take my driving test without knowing. Dad insisted. Took my learning and test in a 77 Toyota Carolla
 
2012-07-20 08:54:11 AM

doglover: If you can't drive stick, you can't drive yet.

That's pretty much how it goes. Sure you can navigate an automatic passenger car from A to B without killing anyone, but you couldn't use a stick.

On the other hand someone who can drive stick can also drive automatic without so much as moment's hesitation. It's a superior skill. Literally it trumps the other kind of driving.


Totally agree. I was thining this the other day when I saw the umpteen billionth person weaving toward me in the next lane with their head bent on their phone. If you drive a stick, you are multitasking most of the time while driving - both hands independently and both feet. Automatics require one hand and one foot and no brain. If you forced all cars to be manual, it would force people to learn how to drive or they just wouldn't be able to. Less traffic, less accidents, yay!
 
2012-07-20 08:54:39 AM

Spass_Taschen: Unless you're a valet, it isn't essential.


The main reason I want to learn, besides general man-card questions, is so I could drive the normal rentable cars in Europe, Latin America, etc. That's not 'essential', but a somewhat decent reason. Of course, most Americans have never held passports either.
 
2012-07-20 08:54:54 AM
If you don't know how to drive a standard, you don't know how to drive.
 
2012-07-20 08:57:54 AM
I learned on a stick in Germany (and have my Fahrerschien to prove it), but I drive an automatic. Why? It's too hard to find a nice tiny stick around here. People who want stick are willing to pay more, so they cost more. I buy used cars cause I got three kids and ain't made of money, so I get autos.
 
2012-07-20 08:59:04 AM

Carn:

Totally agree. I was thining this the other day when I saw the umpteen billionth person weaving toward me in the next lane with their head bent on their phone. If you drive a stick, you are multitasking most of the time while driving - both hands independently and both feet. Automatics require one hand and one foot and no brain. If you forced all cars to be manual, it would force people to learn how to drive or they just wouldn't be able to. Less traffic, less accidents, yay!


I have a friend who drives a 2010 Jeep Wrangler 4 door with 30 inch tires, and can text and shift... null point is null.

You can eat and shift. You can use your phone and shift. You can get into just as many accidents and shift. Hell, just look at the comments above, people say they are shifting without even noticing.

All I see in this thread is people yelling at clouds at how in the good old days they had to learn.. this new fangled technology is just dumb! TV will make people dumb! Computers will make people obsolete and lazy! You are all going to die without onions on your belts.

I have YET to see ONE argument as to WHY manuals are better. I know how to drive both, but would rather enjoy my autostick. The only real answer is that Manuals are cheaper than Automatics.

//slashies make it better
///just because!
 
2012-07-20 08:59:15 AM

Lawnchair: Spass_Taschen: Unless you're a valet, it isn't essential.

The main reason I want to learn, besides general man-card questions, is so I could drive the normal rentable cars in Europe, Latin America, etc. That's not 'essential', but a somewhat decent reason. Of course, most Americans have never held passports either.


I don't have a passport yet because I've never had the cash to travel. Remedying that later this year, however.
 
2012-07-20 09:01:34 AM

392Zaphod: Carn:

Totally agree. I was thining this the other day when I saw the umpteen billionth person weaving toward me in the next lane with their head bent on their phone. If you drive a stick, you are multitasking most of the time while driving - both hands independently and both feet. Automatics require one hand and one foot and no brain. If you forced all cars to be manual, it would force people to learn how to drive or they just wouldn't be able to. Less traffic, less accidents, yay!

I have a friend who drives a 2010 Jeep Wrangler 4 door with 30 inch tires, and can text and shift... null point is null.

You can eat and shift. You can use your phone and shift. You can get into just as many accidents and shift. Hell, just look at the comments above, people say they are shifting without even noticing.

All I see in this thread is people yelling at clouds at how in the good old days they had to learn.. this new fangled technology is just dumb! TV will make people dumb! Computers will make people obsolete and lazy! You are all going to die without onions on your belts.

I have YET to see ONE argument as to WHY manuals are better. I know how to drive both, but would rather enjoy my autostick. The only real answer is that Manuals are cheaper than Automatics.

//slashies make it better
///just because!


I gave you several actually. I burn less fuel by optimizing the RPM's, they cost less than autos for the same model car, and replacing a clutch is less costly than replacing a transmission block in an auto.

Plus, if your starter goes out, you can push start a manual. You can't push start an auto.

/lawyered.
 
2012-07-20 09:06:34 AM
kiwimoogle84:

I gave you several actually. I burn less fuel by optimizing the RPM's, they cost less than autos for the same model car, and replacing a clutch is less costly than replacing a transmission block in an auto.

Plus, if your starter goes out, you can push start a manual. You can't push start an auto.

/lawyered.
>
Did you read the article? :)

FTA: The automatic Ford Focus gets slightly better gas mileage than its manual counterpart; moreover, new options like continuously variable, dual-clutch and semi-automatic transmissions with paddle shifters, while expensive, can make up for their price tag with fuel efficiency.


Also I have a 100,000 mile/7 year warranty on my transmission, I don't pay for it to be replaced. It can also be extended to 200,000 and 10 years. Also, you WILL replace that clutch at least 2 or 3 times before I have ANY need to replace my automatic transmission.

Again, the only point is that Manuals are cheaper to buy than Automatics. In my model car is was about 1000$ cost difference.

/objection to lawyered! :)
 
2012-07-20 09:07:36 AM

7FARK7: While the knuckle-dragging alpha assholes are whining about having to put ANOTHER clutch into their POS car because they were showing off their mad shifting skillz, me and my little auto will be out cruising around!


Their pos car that can out-corner, out-accellerate and generally just out-perform your automatic in every way? Somebody sounds jealous.
 
2012-07-20 09:07:41 AM
Bah broken html tags is broken :(
 
2012-07-20 09:09:01 AM

392Zaphod: kiwimoogle84:

I gave you several actually. I burn less fuel by optimizing the RPM's, they cost less than autos for the same model car, and replacing a clutch is less costly than replacing a transmission block in an auto.

Plus, if your starter goes out, you can push start a manual. You can't push start an auto.

/lawyered.
>
Did you read the article? :)

FTA: The automatic Ford Focus gets slightly better gas mileage than its manual counterpart; moreover, new options like continuously variable, dual-clutch and semi-automatic transmissions with paddle shifters, while expensive, can make up for their price tag with fuel efficiency.


Also I have a 100,000 mile/7 year warranty on my transmission, I don't pay for it to be replaced. It can also be extended to 200,000 and 10 years. Also, you WILL replace that clutch at least 2 or 3 times before I have ANY need to replace my automatic transmission.

Again, the only point is that Manuals are cheaper to buy than Automatics. In my model car is was about 1000$ cost difference.

/objection to lawyered! :)


You ignored the ability to push start, and if you treat your clutch well, you won't have to replace it soon at all. My car has the original clutch, I'm the second owner, had it for five years, put 75K miles on it. Not even a hint of needing replacing yet. I bet your auto goes out before my clutch does.
 
2012-07-20 09:10:44 AM
Yes.
 
2012-07-20 09:11:38 AM
This new Scion FR-S gets better mpg's with an automatic than its manual counterpart.
I Haz a sad.

graphics8.nytimes.com
 
2012-07-20 09:12:29 AM

kiwimoogle84:
You ignored the ability to push start, and if you treat your clutch well, you won't have to replace it soon at all. My car has the original clutch, I'm the second owner, had it for five years, put 75K miles on it. Not even a hint of needing replacing yet. I bet your auto goes out before my clutch does.




You're right, forgot the push start option.. but if I had a POS I would worry about needing a push start. ;) When was the last time you EVER needed to push start a car? If you want to use that argument, I can say you should still use a choke or a crank start because you never know when you might need it!

Also, challenge accepted! I only have 10k miles on my car though so it might be awhile before I can tell you when I need a new transmission! ;)
 
2012-07-20 09:12:59 AM
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2012-07-20 09:15:44 AM
Drive stick with that kung-fu grip, let the banana split and watch it go right to your thighs
 
2012-07-20 09:16:54 AM

392Zaphod: kiwimoogle84:
You ignored the ability to push start, and if you treat your clutch well, you won't have to replace it soon at all. My car has the original clutch, I'm the second owner, had it for five years, put 75K miles on it. Not even a hint of needing replacing yet. I bet your auto goes out before my clutch does.



You're right, forgot the push start option.. but if I had a POS I would worry about needing a push start. ;) When was the last time you EVER needed to push start a car? If you want to use that argument, I can say you should still use a choke or a crank start because you never know when you might need it!

Also, challenge accepted! I only have 10k miles on my car though so it might be awhile before I can tell you when I need a new transmission! ;)


I don't have a POS, and besides, POS is in the eye of the beholder. My ex had a 1991 Chevy S-10 and he loved it more than anything. His starter went out on a road trip, and we started it up three times push starting and got through our trip and home, plus another couple of times to make it through until payday when we could afford to fix it.

Also, sticks are stolen less since criminals aren't masterminds. Also, manuals are better in snow since you can control what gear you're in and how high/low you rev it. Far more control.

I could do this all day. :)

Call me old fashioned, but I still think everyone should know how.
 
2012-07-20 09:17:00 AM
I'm happy most people don't drive a stick,the family never asks to borrow my F150 longbed and they know better than to ask me for help.
 
2012-07-20 09:17:39 AM
One argument that I will say for the Automatic OVER the Manual? I can play with my wife while she is in the passenger seat if I have an Automatic! :P
 
2012-07-20 09:20:44 AM

392Zaphod: I have YET to see ONE argument as to WHY manuals are better. I know how to drive both, but would rather enjoy my autostick. The only real answer is that Manuals are cheaper than Automatics.


You can push-start a car with a manual transmission if the starter dies, and you can use the (working) starter to move a car with a manual transmission a short distance if necessary in an emergency.
 
zez
2012-07-20 09:23:09 AM

randomjsa: doglover:
On the other hand someone who can drive stick can also drive automatic without so much as moment's hesitation.

Except that part where you try to hit the clutch that's not there.


Whenever I drive my wife's car, I usually end up hitting the brake pedal with my left foot around 15-20mph
 
2012-07-20 09:24:17 AM

kiwimoogle84: ArcadianRefugee: Only reason to learn to drive a stick is this: when the zombie apocalypse begins, you aren't going to wanna be searching for "just the right car", so it helps to know how to drive as many different types of vehicle as possible.

Beyond that: meh. Not knowing how to drive a stick is like no knowing how to write cursive -- you can live your whole life and never need the skill even once.

That's the mindset of why a lot of things fall by the wayside.

Why write thank you notes when an Egreeting works?

Why bother learning cursive, no one knows how anymore?

Why bother cooking when McDonalds is just up the street?

Why bother walking when I can just stuff my rolls into a Hoveround?

Mentalities like that are the death of society.

That's why I handwrite letters, know my neighbors, make my own marinara sauce and don't just open jars, and will ALWAYS drive a stick. I refuse to get what I consider to be lazy.


Plus, it sound like you have absolutely nothing else to do in your life, which must be nice.
 
2012-07-20 09:25:02 AM

392Zaphod: One argument that I will say for the Automatic OVER the Manual? I can play with my wife while she is in the passenger seat if I have an Automatic! :P


I can do that while driving a stick too. I can drive mine one handed. It's not hard. I've gone for hours on a road trip holding his hand (or whatever else...giggity) and not have to let go to shift.

Maybe it's because I used to ride motorcycles, that I just don't feel I have control in an auto. But you definitely have more control and if my mother would just quit tossing her car in drive WHILE it's still reversing, maybe she wouldn't have two transmission rebuilds already in a car she's had for only four years. *facepalm*
 
2012-07-20 09:25:22 AM

kiwimoogle84:
I don't have a POS, and besides, POS is in the eye of the beholder. My ex had a 1991 Chevy S-10 and he loved it more than anything. His starter went out on a road trip, and we started it up three times push starting and got through our trip and home, plus another couple of times to make it through until payday when we could afford to fix it.

Also, sticks are stolen less since criminals aren't masterminds. Also, manuals are better in snow since you can control what gear you're in and how high/low you rev it. Far more control.

I could do this all day. :)

Call me old fashioned, but I still think everyone should know how.


I will agree that knowing how to drive stick can be useful, won't deny that! :)

When I mean POS I mean a car you know that is going to die soon...you can feel the engine hurting for air and acceleration and know that the transmission will die because it slips to much. I won't deny that if you are in that situation you can try and push start it, but that won't guarantee that it will work... my choke and crank start point is still valid ;)

Actually, the only criminal that it would prevent would be a car jacker. New cars have so many electronic anti-theft in them, that they get stolen by being towed out of the spot. Even then, I have a GPS monitoring on my car that would call me if the car ever moved when not turned on! :P

Again, as for RPM control, Autostick is also win. I can force gears, up shift, engine break with down shifting, etc... although I don't like steering wheel paddles.. makes it to much like a video game. My T Shifter is just nice to grip while I drive with my left hand.
 
2012-07-20 09:27:09 AM
Automatics are the AOL of the Auto world.

LOL at 470 hp Auto with tiptronic.
 
2012-07-20 09:28:21 AM
I love to drive. I'll drive anything any distance except a Monocoque (stamped sheet metal) moped. I drove my buddies half way down the block and got off, walked back and told him to go get his POS. Farkin' death trap. Which is saying something, I've driven a 1960 Frod Falcon standard with a milk crate for a front seat. At one point I had a different auto with different serious problems every month.

I've had more used motorcycles than most Harley dealers.

I agree with the Manly Aspect of shifting. I also feel more competent as a driver because I'm more informed by the subtle information sent by the vibration of the shifter.

If you truly enjoy the act of shifting, Mopar made an Omni that had a split transmission. Essentially it was an eight speed, with a 4 cylinder, econobox. Utter waste of time but fun for a while.

The worst time I've had with standards transmissions was when there was road construction between work and home. It would turn a 40 minute commute into a two and a half hour ordeal five nights a week for nearly a year. You just try floating a clutch in and out for two hours and see what YOUR left leg looks like.

Other than that I'm good with gears I'm good with slush as long as we're movin'
 
2012-07-20 09:29:08 AM

pkellmey: kiwimoogle84: ArcadianRefugee: Only reason to learn to drive a stick is this: when the zombie apocalypse begins, you aren't going to wanna be searching for "just the right car", so it helps to know how to drive as many different types of vehicle as possible.

Beyond that: meh. Not knowing how to drive a stick is like no knowing how to write cursive -- you can live your whole life and never need the skill even once.

That's the mindset of why a lot of things fall by the wayside.

Why write thank you notes when an Egreeting works?

Why bother learning cursive, no one knows how anymore?

Why bother cooking when McDonalds is just up the street?

Why bother walking when I can just stuff my rolls into a Hoveround?

Mentalities like that are the death of society.

That's why I handwrite letters, know my neighbors, make my own marinara sauce and don't just open jars, and will ALWAYS drive a stick. I refuse to get what I consider to be lazy.

Plus, it sound like you have absolutely nothing else to do in your life, which must be nice.


It's not that I don't have anything better to do. I just refuse to take the lazy, cheater, easy way out. It's called multitasking. And it takes the same amount of time to handwrite a cursive letter to a family member as it takes you to level up your WOW characters, I'd wager. It's all about priorities.
 
2012-07-20 09:30:54 AM

392Zaphod: Carn:

Totally agree. I was thining this the other day when I saw the umpteen billionth person weaving toward me in the next lane with their head bent on their phone. If you drive a stick, you are multitasking most of the time while driving - both hands independently and both feet. Automatics require one hand and one foot and no brain. If you forced all cars to be manual, it would force people to learn how to drive or they just wouldn't be able to. Less traffic, less accidents, yay!

I have a friend who drives a 2010 Jeep Wrangler 4 door with 30 inch tires, and can text and shift... null point is null.

You can eat and shift. You can use your phone and shift. You can get into just as many accidents and shift. Hell, just look at the comments above, people say they are shifting without even noticing.

All I see in this thread is people yelling at clouds at how in the good old days they had to learn.. this new fangled technology is just dumb! TV will make people dumb! Computers will make people obsolete and lazy! You are all going to die without onions on your belts.

I have YET to see ONE argument as to WHY manuals are better. I know how to drive both, but would rather enjoy my autostick. The only real answer is that Manuals are cheaper than Automatics.

//slashies make it better
///just because!


True, manual drivers can distract themselves too. My point though is that the fact that driving the manual causes you to multitask and be coordinated the whole time, the driver ought to be better at it then the automatic driver. As someone said above, no matter what the manual driver is doing, some of their attention must be on the task at hand. We need some scientists with lab coats to run some tests to get some real data on the subject. Bottom line, a manual transmission gives you more active and passive control over the vehicle. In my current car ('03 Mitsubishi Lancer), the "shifting zone" for speed generally goes in 15 mph increments, ie, every 15 mph roughly corresponds to 3000-3500 rpm which is the general shifting range for normal driving. School zone? Stay in second gear. 35-45 limit? that's third. Fourth is generally only tapped for highways and fifth, freeways and rare times when the Beltway isn't jammed up. There are other things the manual gives you, but I would put a significant chunk of money down that says most automatic drivers do not put nearly this amount of thought into operating their vehicle in different environments or situations.
 
2012-07-20 09:31:11 AM

392Zaphod: kiwimoogle84:
I don't have a POS, and besides, POS is in the eye of the beholder. My ex had a 1991 Chevy S-10 and he loved it more than anything. His starter went out on a road trip, and we started it up three times push starting and got through our trip and home, plus another couple of times to make it through until payday when we could afford to fix it.

Also, sticks are stolen less since criminals aren't masterminds. Also, manuals are better in snow since you can control what gear you're in and how high/low you rev it. Far more control.

I could do this all day. :)

Call me old fashioned, but I still think everyone should know how.

I will agree that knowing how to drive stick can be useful, won't deny that! :)

When I mean POS I mean a car you know that is going to die soon...you can feel the engine hurting for air and acceleration and know that the transmission will die because it slips to much. I won't deny that if you are in that situation you can try and push start it, but that won't guarantee that it will work... my choke and crank start point is still valid ;)

Actually, the only criminal that it would prevent would be a car jacker. New cars have so many electronic anti-theft in them, that they get stolen by being towed out of the spot. Even then, I have a GPS monitoring on my car that would call me if the car ever moved when not turned on! :P

Again, as for RPM control, Autostick is also win. I can force gears, up shift, engine break with down shifting, etc... although I don't like steering wheel paddles.. makes it to much like a video game. My T Shifter is just nice to grip while I drive with my left hand.


I'll agree to disagree just fine, but some of us don't have the cash for a BRAND new car. Or even if I did, I see no reason to replace a 2007 that's running great and is paid off.

And unless the foot motion goes with it, you have to agree it's not the same as a clutch.
 
2012-07-20 09:31:32 AM
If my commute is any indication the ability to drive is not essential in America.

/skinny pedal to go faster and fat pedal to go less fast is not driving
 
2012-07-20 09:35:58 AM
Two kinds of Fark threads bring out the old farts. Tattoo threads and these.
 
2012-07-20 09:37:18 AM

Girion47: Automatics are the AOL of the Auto world.

LOL at 470 hp Auto with tiptronic.


LOL at even the fastest street legal car in the world (268mph) is triptronic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Veyron

The onions on your belt are starting to show their age
 
2012-07-20 09:38:37 AM

verbaltoxin: Two kinds of Fark threads bring out the old farts. Tattoo threads and these.


Who are you calling old? I'm 27. Get off my...deck?

/got nothing
 
2012-07-20 09:39:27 AM

ArcadianRefugee: Only reason to learn to drive a stick is this: when the zombie apocalypse begins, you aren't going to wanna be searching for "just the right car", so it helps to know how to drive as many different types of vehicle as possible.

Beyond that: meh. Not knowing how to drive a stick is like no knowing how to write cursive -- you can live your whole life and never need the skill even once.


So what you're saying is....never, because zombies aren't real.

/Drivers saying "You gotta drive stick durrrr" is like guitarist going, "You gotta have a tube amp durrrr..."
 
2012-07-20 09:41:13 AM

kiwimoogle84:
I'll agree to disagree just fine, but some of us don't have the cash for a BRAND new car. Or even if I did, I see no reason to replace a 2007 that's running great and is paid off.

And unless the foot motion goes with it, you have to agree it's not the same as a clutch.


totally agree to disagree. My whole point is that people who still drive stick are as crazed as the Apple Fan Bois :)
 
2012-07-20 09:41:17 AM

Carn: 392Zaphod: Carn:

Totally agree. I was thining this the other day when I saw the umpteen billionth person weaving toward me in the next lane with their head bent on their phone. If you drive a stick, you are multitasking most of the time while driving - both hands independently and both feet. Automatics require one hand and one foot and no brain. If you forced all cars to be manual, it would force people to learn how to drive or they just wouldn't be able to. Less traffic, less accidents, yay!

I have a friend who drives a 2010 Jeep Wrangler 4 door with 30 inch tires, and can text and shift... null point is null.

You can eat and shift. You can use your phone and shift. You can get into just as many accidents and shift. Hell, just look at the comments above, people say they are shifting without even noticing.

All I see in this thread is people yelling at clouds at how in the good old days they had to learn.. this new fangled technology is just dumb! TV will make people dumb! Computers will make people obsolete and lazy! You are all going to die without onions on your belts.

I have YET to see ONE argument as to WHY manuals are better. I know how to drive both, but would rather enjoy my autostick. The only real answer is that Manuals are cheaper than Automatics.

//slashies make it better
///just because!

True, manual drivers can distract themselves too. My point though is that the fact that driving the manual causes you to multitask and be coordinated the whole time, the driver ought to be better at it then the automatic driver. As someone said above, no matter what the manual driver is doing, some of their attention must be on the task at hand. We need some scientists with lab coats to run some tests to get some real data on the subject. Bottom line, a manual transmission gives you more active and passive control over the vehicle. In my current car ('03 Mitsubishi Lancer), the "shifting zone" for speed generally goes in 15 mph increments, ie, every 15 mph roughly ...


That's because I don't have to know that crap because my car has an automatic. I can spend more time paying attention to the road.
 
2012-07-20 09:42:45 AM

verbaltoxin: Two kinds of Fark threads bring out the old farts. Tattoo threads and these.


old farks, thats good.

personally I learned in a dodge truck with 3 in the tree.
 
2012-07-20 09:43:40 AM

mjjt: Me: "Did you try push starting it?"


Does that even work on a modern car? The transmission may let you spin the flywheel but it's not going to help with the electric fuel pump, injectors, etc. Just carry one of those 12V jump-starter battery packs in the trunk.
 
2012-07-20 09:44:19 AM
I just wish that the automatic drivers would stop getting bored at traffic lights and inching forward.
Most irritating.
How about stopping where you need to stop and staying there?
 
2012-07-20 09:44:54 AM

392Zaphod: kiwimoogle84:
I'll agree to disagree just fine, but some of us don't have the cash for a BRAND new car. Or even if I did, I see no reason to replace a 2007 that's running great and is paid off.

And unless the foot motion goes with it, you have to agree it's not the same as a clutch.

totally agree to disagree. My whole point is that people who still drive stick are as crazed as the Apple Fan Bois :)


See, and that's just insulting. Apple fan people are likely hipsters who wear skinny jeans, go along with every fad, drink crappy beer and don't know how to drive at ALL, because they're better than us meat-eaters and prove it by biking everywhere on their fixed-speed while reducing their carbon footprint.

Apples and oranges, pun not intended.
 
2012-07-20 09:47:24 AM

kiwimoogle84:

See, and that's just insulting. Apple fan people are likely hipsters who wear skinny jeans, go along with every fad, drink crappy beer and don't know how to drive at ALL, because they're better than us meat-eaters and prove it by biking everywhere on their fixed-speed while reducing their carbon footprint.

Apples and oranges, pun not intended.


Sorry! Didn't mean to offend, but that literally made me LOL!

What I meant was the level of devotion to a specific technology or platform... I would never have intentionally called you a hipster! I am not the cold hearted! ;)
 
2012-07-20 09:47:59 AM

Ivo Shandor: mjjt: Me: "Did you try push starting it?"

Does that even work on a modern car? The transmission may let you spin the flywheel but it's not going to help with the electric fuel pump, injectors, etc. Just carry one of those 12V jump-starter battery packs in the trunk.


You can push start a modern car with a manual transmission. When you pop it into second gear once you get your speed up, you'll spin the alternator along with everything else in the engine and get enough power to spit some fuel into the engine and fire off the spark plugs, getting you running. It does run the car rich though, and habitual use of the technique can destroy your catalytic converter and its hard on your clutch.
 
2012-07-20 09:48:01 AM
I'm always gobsmacked over how smug Americans are when they can drive stick.

Everywhere else is the world it's just called "driving".
 
zez
2012-07-20 09:48:55 AM
I have a manual in my subaru and I don't understand where/how all of you drive that you're so busy shifting that you can't do anything else in the car.
 
2012-07-20 09:49:06 AM
I taught my wife to drive stick in college. (ha ha) I parked the car on a hill, asked her to get in the driver's seat, stood a full car length back, and side "drive". Easiest lesson ever. Of course she was shouting out the window that she was going to run me over. It was awesome.
 
2012-07-20 09:49:33 AM
I recently bought a GTI. Went to one dealer and told him I wanted a manual GTI. He tells me most women dont buy manuals so why dont I look at the automatics. I told him that I don't buy from douchebags so why don't I go to another dealer. Went to another dealer had no problems and he even taught me some shifting techniques to make my commute from Balt to DC easier.

/cool story sis
//If you live in the Balt/Wash area buy your VW from Ourisman in Laurel. Ask for Joe. Great guy
 
2012-07-20 09:50:33 AM

verbaltoxin: That's because I don't have to know that crap because my car has an automatic. I can spend more time paying attention to the road.


You don't want to pay attention to crap like the road though, do you. That' s why you drive an automatic. So you can apply your makeup and mascara and nail polish while flying down the highway straddling two lanes. Or maybe you just want to sext someone.

/pay attention to the road my ass.
 
2012-07-20 09:50:48 AM

Ivo Shandor: mjjt: Me: "Did you try push starting it?"

Does that even work on a modern car? The transmission may let you spin the flywheel but it's not going to help with the electric fuel pump, injectors, etc. Just carry one of those 12V jump-starter battery packs in the trunk.


It's way harder, you need a lot more speed than before. You have to spin the alternator enough to boot up the computers before it will even think of sparking.
 
2012-07-20 09:50:58 AM

Joce678: I'm always gobsmacked over how smug Americans are when they can drive stick.

Everywhere else is the world it's just called "driving".


America has a very unique car culture, one which is mainly filled with Luddite idiots.
 
2012-07-20 09:53:25 AM

zez: I have a manual in my subaru and I don't understand where/how all of you drive that you're so busy shifting that you can't do anything else in the car.


It's hard to up or downshift when holding a drink / cell phone / food item / newspaper, and the wheel at the same time. Something has to be sacrificed. Shift, Steer, or hold the item that's distracting you from driving. Pick one for each hand.

Once you're up to speed you can do other things though.
 
2012-07-20 09:54:03 AM
Got caught in something of a flash flood once. Engine died and would not restart, but I was able to drive it out using the starter and some judicious clutch action. With a stick you always have the bump start option too.
 
2012-07-20 09:54:16 AM

Littledevil8701: I recently bought a GTI. Went to one dealer and told him I wanted a manual GTI. He tells me most women dont buy manuals so why dont I look at the automatics. I told him that I don't buy from douchebags so why don't I go to another dealer. Went to another dealer had no problems and he even taught me some shifting techniques to make my commute from Balt to DC easier.

/cool story sis
//If you live in the Balt/Wash area buy your VW from Ourisman in Laurel. Ask for Joe. Great guy


VDub sista's for life. Favorited :)
 
2012-07-20 09:54:29 AM

Joce678: It's way harder, you need a lot more speed than before. You have to spin the alternator enough to boot up the computers before it will even think of sparking.


15 mph, second gear. drop clutch.

/source, 07 RX-8.
 
2012-07-20 09:55:43 AM

fluffy2097: verbaltoxin: That's because I don't have to know that crap because my car has an automatic. I can spend more time paying attention to the road.

You don't want to pay attention to crap like the road though, do you. That' s why you drive an automatic. So you can apply your makeup and mascara and nail polish while flying down the highway straddling two lanes. Or maybe you just want to sext someone.

/pay attention to the road my ass.


I'm a dude, you moron. I've also had 1 accident in my entire driving life, a minor fender-bender in a crowded, busy parking lot. So YES I've spent 99% of the time paying attention to the goddamned road, because I'm not fumbling with crap in my car while I'm driving.

Telling me I need to drive a stick is f*cking retarded. Just admit you like old, outdated technology and let it be. Same thing with the dumbasses who think have an acetate-coated disc that scratches like hell is better than a digital file that can be exported to any compatible device. It's just old tech that you like because of nostalgia and imagined benefits. Get over it. Don't tell the rest of the world they have to slow back down for you, grampa.
 
2012-07-20 09:55:55 AM
I learned how to use a manual transmission by riding a motorcycle. Hadn't ever driven stick in a car yet. It's quite simple: Get it wrong and get hurt. A couple of years later when I first tried a car with manual transmission, it was pretty much smooth sailing.

/love driving stick. the driver is so much more involved in the experience.
 
2012-07-20 09:56:22 AM
While I prefer automatic now, I thank my dad for making me learn to drive a 3 on the tree manual before letting me drive anything with an automatic tranny.
 
2012-07-20 09:57:21 AM

verbaltoxin:
I'm a dude, you moron. I've also had 1 accident in my entire driving life, a minor fender-bender in a crowded, busy parking lot. So YES I've spent 99% of the time paying attention to the goddamned road, because I'm not fumbling with crap in my car while I'm driving.

Telling me I need to drive a stick is f*cking retarded. Just admit you like old, outdated technology and let it be. Same thing with the dumbasses who think have an acetate-coated disc that scratches like hell is better than a digital file that can be exported to any compatible device. It's just old tech that you like because of nostalgia and imagined benefits. Get over it. Don't tell the rest of the world they have to slow back down for you, grampa.


I would like to subscribe to your newsletter!
 
2012-07-20 09:59:53 AM
These days, I drive an automatic. Stop and go traffic, 1/2 hour to creep 1/2 mile can make your left leg tired.
Also, I have a bad shoulder.
Also, 2 times I have drove while exhausted, parked, and came back to find the car had rolled away. (Working 20 hour days for a few weeks in a row can do that to you.)
I live on the top of a big hill. The second time, I decided the next car would be an automatic.
 
2012-07-20 10:00:16 AM

URAPNIS: I just wish that the automatic drivers would stop getting bored at traffic lights and inching forward.
Most irritating.
How about stopping where you need to stop and staying there?


As a manual driver, I love to coast to a complete stop at a light using only engine braking, the roll about a foot back towards the tailgating asshole behind me before ever touching the brake pedal. Stops them from tailgating right quick. So does using engine braking. If they cant tell when you're decelerating because you don't use the brakes, they get very uncomfortable tailgating.

Manual transmissions are also a lot easier to service and repair. Far fewer moving parts.
 
2012-07-20 10:00:18 AM
All of these posts that say "You don't know how to drive until you drive stick" remind me of people who have control issues.

It's a vehicle, not an extension of your penis!
 
2012-07-20 10:00:31 AM

miss diminutive: One of my few regrets is that I never learned how to drive stick. An ex-bf tried to teach me once, but he got so pissy with me when I stalled it once that I just decided it wasn't worth the hassle.


He's a pussy. Males that yell are showing their lack of confidence in their ability to converse (loud=right, so to speak). It's not too late to learn. You can teach yourself easily. Borrow someone's stick shifter, find a parking lot with a small grade in it, and learn to start it rolling uphill. You 'catch' the car with the clutch, then S-l-o-w-l-y let it out and keep the RPMs up, but not over-rev'ed. Once you get it , you'll be so proud. It's easy. Practice a little speed-shifting, if there's room in the lot.

That's the hardest thing to do with a stick. Once you got that, you've pretty much done it. Stickshifts, especially nowadays with the syncros, are easy to do once you get going, just keep the RPMs in the right range (there's TONS of leeway) for the speed. An average person should be able to drive a stick shift, cook a dinner, change a diaper, and build a bookshelf. Less is for primates.
 
2012-07-20 10:00:51 AM

Joce678: Ivo Shandor: mjjt: Me: "Did you try push starting it?"

Does that even work on a modern car? The transmission may let you spin the flywheel but it's not going to help with the electric fuel pump, injectors, etc. Just carry one of those 12V jump-starter battery packs in the trunk.

It's way harder, you need a lot more speed than before. You have to spin the alternator enough to boot up the computers before it will even think of sparking.


You still have the *BATTERY*. It may not have enough juice to turn over the starter, but unless it's *ALL* dead, there is still some juice in it. Turn off all the lights and other electrical crap like the radio and heater/ac fan, let it rest for a little bit, then try an push start it. If you get the idiot lights to light up when you turn the key, then there's enough juice for the computer, because it's only *MOSTLY* dead.
 
2012-07-20 10:01:26 AM
Is it essential? No, but it's a skill I love, and whenever I buy my next car, whether or not it has manual will be a major selling point. I don't care if anyone else bothers to learn the skill, and I don't think it to be important these days. I'll remain part of that small percentage for as long as the percentage exists.
 
2012-07-20 10:01:52 AM

verbaltoxin:
That's because I don't have to know that crap because my car has an automatic. I can spend more time paying attention to the road.


You don't have to know what crap? The speed limit? How fast you are going? How those two things compare to each other at any given time? These would be included in "paying attention to the road". You might be doing it wrong.
 
2012-07-20 10:02:33 AM

verbaltoxin: I'm a dude, you moron. I've also had 1 accident in my entire driving life, a minor fender-bender in a crowded, busy parking lot. So YES I've spent 99% of the time paying attention to the goddamned road, because I'm not fumbling with crap in my car while I'm driving.

Telling me I need to drive a stick is f*cking retarded. Just admit you like old, outdated technology and let it be. Same thing with the dumbasses who think have an acetate-coated disc that scratches like hell is better than a digital file that can be exported to any compatible device. It's just old tech that you like because of nostalgia and imagined benefits. Get over it. Don't tell the rest of the world they have to slow back down for you, grampa.


You sure sound like a girl.

Your profile makes you look like one too. Are you PMSing or something, you sound incredibly roid raged out.

Do your balls really shrink and fall off when you take steroids like you do?
 
2012-07-20 10:08:27 AM
I simply cannot imagine owning a vehicle with an automatic transmission! Can't stand 'em (except perhaps for a work van). What happens if you become stranded somewhere with a dead battery? How would you start the piece of shiat? You wouldn't!
 
2012-07-20 10:09:25 AM

Mikeyworld: miss diminutive: One of my few regrets is that I never learned how to drive stick. An ex-bf tried to teach me once, but he got so pissy with me when I stalled it once that I just decided it wasn't worth the hassle.

He's a pussy. Males that yell are showing their lack of confidence in their ability to converse (loud=right, so to speak). It's not too late to learn. You can teach yourself easily. Borrow someone's stick shifter, find a parking lot with a small grade in it, and learn to start it rolling uphill. You 'catch' the car with the clutch, then S-l-o-w-l-y let it out and keep the RPMs up, but not over-rev'ed. Once you get it , you'll be so proud. It's easy. Practice a little speed-shifting, if there's room in the lot.

That's the hardest thing to do with a stick. Once you got that, you've pretty much done it. Stickshifts, especially nowadays with the syncros, are easy to do once you get going, just keep the RPMs in the right range (there's TONS of leeway) for the speed. An average person should be able to drive a stick shift, cook a dinner, change a diaper, and build a bookshelf. Less is for primates.


Back in 1996 I took my then g/f to an empty college campus road to teach her how to drive a manual.
She started having second thoughts and got all huffy puffy so I went to the back of my truck, put the tailgate down, lit up a smoke, and told her that we weren't leaving until she drove out of there.
She finally did it after throwing a tantrum.
Freakin' 12 year olds are incorrigible.
 
2012-07-20 10:10:19 AM

392Zaphod: Girion47: Automatics are the AOL of the Auto world.

LOL at 470 hp Auto with tiptronic.

LOL at even the fastest street legal car in the world (268mph) is triptronic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Veyron

The onions on your belt are starting to show their age


First, I'm 28
Second, the Veyron's transmission and your shiatbox "muscle" car's transmission are far different animals.
Third, all that horsepower you claim to have is useless unless when your car's computer decides your gear is incorrect.

I love idiots like you at stop lights. Always revving at my car. I've been able to get at least 2 people pulled over for speeding because they wanted to race.
 
2012-07-20 10:11:32 AM

fluffy2097: verbaltoxin: I'm a dude, you moron. I've also had 1 accident in my entire driving life, a minor fender-bender in a crowded, busy parking lot. So YES I've spent 99% of the time paying attention to the goddamned road, because I'm not fumbling with crap in my car while I'm driving.

Telling me I need to drive a stick is f*cking retarded. Just admit you like old, outdated technology and let it be. Same thing with the dumbasses who think have an acetate-coated disc that scratches like hell is better than a digital file that can be exported to any compatible device. It's just old tech that you like because of nostalgia and imagined benefits. Get over it. Don't tell the rest of the world they have to slow back down for you, grampa.

You sure sound like a girl.

Your profile makes you look like one too. Are you PMSing or something, you sound incredibly roid raged out.

Do your balls really shrink and fall off when you take steroids like you do?


Considering you're the one that uses engine braking to troll drivers I'd say you're the one with the testosterone problem. Oh and you're the one that feels the need to go on assuming someone is a girl when they say they don't drive a stick.

So I think it's about time for you to go get your pre-op counseling, lady.


Carn: verbaltoxin:
That's because I don't have to know that crap because my car has an automatic. I can spend more time paying attention to the road.


You don't have to know what crap? The speed limit? How fast you are going? How those two things compare to each other at any given time? These would be included in "paying attention to the road". You might be doing it wrong.


You didn't say "speed limit" you talked about which speed ranges accuate which gear. So no, I don't need to know that because I am not working a clutch and a stick shift.
 
2012-07-20 10:15:20 AM
This thread:

images.sodahead.com
BACK IN MY DAY, WE BAILED HAY THEN LEARNED STICK, BOTH WAYS IN THE SNOW, AND WE LIKED IT!
 
2012-07-20 10:18:30 AM

verbaltoxin: Oh and you're the one that feels the need to go on assuming someone is a girl when they say they don't drive a stick.


Actually I'm calling you a girl because your entire aura screams "pussy". Being adamant you are better off not knowing how to drive stick is just a very small portion of the massive aura of "I'm a pussy" you give out.

/Are your fake wrestling belts supposed to make us respect you?
 
2012-07-20 10:20:21 AM

verbaltoxin: This thread:

[images.sodahead.com image 350x253]
BACK IN MY DAY, WE BAILED HAY THEN LEARNED STICK, BOTH WAYS IN THE SNOW, AND WE LIKED IT!


You really don't understand how much more control you get over a car with stick rather than manual do you?


It's like putting someone online for the first time and they have two choices, AOL or Firefox.

With AOL you know that it's going to be easy, you can get to most sites and surf using keywords.

With Firefox, you have to know URL's now, you have the ability to block ads, popups, even Flash. You can use tabs, color those tabs, set them as default when the browser opens etc... Sure you have to learn these features, but once you do it all becomes 2nd nature that isn't even considered a mentally straining task, you do it automatically.
 
2012-07-20 10:22:10 AM

fluffy2097: verbaltoxin: I'm a dude, you moron. I've also had 1 accident in my entire driving life, a minor fender-bender in a crowded, busy parking lot. So YES I've spent 99% of the time paying attention to the goddamned road, because I'm not fumbling with crap in my car while I'm driving.

Telling me I need to drive a stick is f*cking retarded. Just admit you like old, outdated technology and let it be. Same thing with the dumbasses who think have an acetate-coated disc that scratches like hell is better than a digital file that can be exported to any compatible device. It's just old tech that you like because of nostalgia and imagined benefits. Get over it. Don't tell the rest of the world they have to slow back down for you, grampa.

You sure sound like a girl.

Your profile makes you look like one too. Are you PMSing or something, you sound incredibly roid raged out.

Do your balls really shrink and fall off when you take steroids like you do?


How in blue blazes did the topic of steroids get into a thread about transmissions???
Anyway, I'd advise you keep your comments and opinions about it to yourself Mr. pencilneck!
 
2012-07-20 10:22:59 AM

Girion47:

First, I'm 28
Second, the Veyron's transmission and your shiatbox "muscle" car's transmission are far different animals.
Third, all that horsepower you claim to have is useless unless when your car's computer decides your gear is incorrect.

I love idiots like you at stop lights. Always revving at my car. I've been able to get at least 2 people pulled over for speeding because they wanted to race.


You think idiots like you get me tickets? I could car less what you do in the car next to me. I enjoy my car for me, not for some idiot next to me trying to goat me into going to fast.

The onion on your belt is your line of thinking, not necessarily your age.

You have no idea what my car is let alone what it's computer does. I can choose to be semi- or full- automatic, it's a choice. Go be a troll somewhere else please.
 
2012-07-20 10:23:37 AM
So...how would one go about learning to drive a stick if one were interested? I don't have any friends or family to teach me.
 
2012-07-20 10:23:54 AM

Buffet: How in blue blazes did the topic of steroids get into a thread about transmissions???
Anyway, I'd advise you keep your comments and opinions about it to yourself Mr. pencilneck!



Verbaltoxin, if you look at his profile page, is a tranny, and is undergoing whore moan therapy.
 
2012-07-20 10:23:57 AM
Verbal, Fluffy, let's agree to disagree. More auto cars for those who want them, more control and less repairs for those of us who prefer manual.
 
2012-07-20 10:24:27 AM

392Zaphod: Girion47:

First, I'm 28
Second, the Veyron's transmission and your shiatbox "muscle" car's transmission are far different animals.
Third, all that horsepower you claim to have is useless unless when your car's computer decides your gear is incorrect.

I love idiots like you at stop lights. Always revving at my car. I've been able to get at least 2 people pulled over for speeding because they wanted to race.

You think idiots like you get me tickets? I could car less what you do in the car next to me. I enjoy my car for me, not for some idiot next to me trying to goat me into going to fast.

The onion on your belt is your line of thinking, not necessarily your age.

You have no idea what my car is let alone what it's computer does. I can choose to be semi- or full- automatic, it's a choice. Go be a troll somewhere else please.


please enlighten me to what this magical vehicle is.
 
2012-07-20 10:25:21 AM

verbaltoxin:
Carn: verbaltoxin:
That's because I don't have to know that crap because my car has an automatic. I can spend more time paying attention to the road.


You don't have to know what crap? The speed limit? How fast you are going? How those two things compare to each other at any given time? These would be included in "paying attention to the road". You might be doing it wrong.

You didn't say "speed limit" you talked about which speed ranges accuate which gear. So no, I don't need to know that because I am not working a clutch and a stick shift.


Ah, sorry. The point was that I can regulate my speed by which gear I'm in by feel and noise (of the engine) without ever needing to look at the speedometer.
 
2012-07-20 10:25:27 AM

fluffy2097: verbaltoxin: Oh and you're the one that feels the need to go on assuming someone is a girl when they say they don't drive a stick.

Actually I'm calling you a girl because your entire aura screams "pussy". Being adamant you are better off not knowing how to drive stick is just a very small portion of the massive aura of "I'm a pussy" you give out.

/Are your fake wrestling belts supposed to make us respect you?


scrapetv.com
WHEN I WAS YOUR AGE, THE NEWSPAPERS AND RADIOS WERE SERIOUS BUSINESS! AND ONLY REAL MEN COULD USE THEM!!

(Though it is cute you're going fully internet tough guy there, fluffykins *kisses*)

Girion47: verbaltoxin: This thread:

[images.sodahead.com image 350x253]
BACK IN MY DAY, WE BAILED HAY THEN LEARNED STICK, BOTH WAYS IN THE SNOW, AND WE LIKED IT!

You really don't understand how much more control you get over a car with stick rather than manual do you?


It's like putting someone online for the first time and they have two choices, AOL or Firefox.

With AOL you know that it's going to be easy, you can get to most sites and surf using keywords.

With Firefox, you have to know URL's now, you have the ability to block ads, popups, even Flash. You can use tabs, color those tabs, set them as default when the browser opens etc... Sure you have to learn these features, but once you do it all becomes 2nd nature that isn't even considered a mentally straining task, you do it automatically.


www.freakingnews.com
I AGREE, SONNY! THE AOLS ARE KEEPING ME IN TOUCH WITH MY OLD WAR BUDDIES!
 
2012-07-20 10:25:39 AM

verbaltoxin: Joce678: I'm always gobsmacked over how smug Americans are when they can drive stick.

Everywhere else is the world it's just called "driving". Please. Your profile says you're from spain. Been there. We have an event here in america that equates to the way you folks drive. We call it the "demolition derby".



America has a very unique car culture, one which is mainly filled with Luddite idiots people stuck in traffic jams for hours on end, and don't want to lose the use of their left knee.

FTFY
.

 
2012-07-20 10:26:01 AM

Carn: verbaltoxin:
Carn: verbaltoxin:
That's because I don't have to know that crap because my car has an automatic. I can spend more time paying attention to the road.


You don't have to know what crap? The speed limit? How fast you are going? How those two things compare to each other at any given time? These would be included in "paying attention to the road". You might be doing it wrong.

You didn't say "speed limit" you talked about which speed ranges accuate which gear. So no, I don't need to know that because I am not working a clutch and a stick shift.

Ah, sorry. The point was that I can regulate my speed by which gear I'm in by feel and noise (of the engine) without ever needing to look at the speedometer.


hell in my car the speedometer is small and off to the side, the tach is the biggest dial I have.
 
2012-07-20 10:27:09 AM

MoronLessOff: So...how would one go about learning to drive a stick if one were interested? I don't have any friends or family to teach me.


Honey, I learned to drive a stick because my first car was one- I bought it from a family member and just had to drive it from Colorado to California to get it home.

Uh, surprise.

After 12 hours and several stalls, I was a pro.

Come out for GenCon, I'll teach ya :)
 
2012-07-20 10:28:20 AM

Basily Gourt: verbaltoxin: Joce678: I'm always gobsmacked over how smug Americans are when they can drive stick.

Everywhere else is the world it's just called "driving". Please. Your profile says you're from spain. Been there. We have an event here in america that equates to the way you folks drive. We call it the "demolition derby".



America has a very unique car culture, one which is mainly filled with Luddite idiots people stuck in traffic jams for hours on end, and don't want to lose the use of their left knee.

FTFY.


If you have to hold your clutch in that much in a traffic jam you don't know how to drive stick. I drove the DC Beltway everyday in a car with one of the stiffest clutches I've ever seen and never had any issues.
 
2012-07-20 10:28:59 AM

Basily Gourt: verbaltoxin: Joce678: I'm always gobsmacked over how smug Americans are when they can drive stick.

Everywhere else is the world it's just called "driving". Please. Your profile says you're from spain. Been there. We have an event here in america that equates to the way you folks drive. We call it the "demolition derby".



America has a very unique car culture, one which is mainly filled with Luddite idiots people stuck in traffic jams for hours on end, and don't want to lose the use of their left knee.

FTFY.


FYI, manuals have this great feature called "neutral". My knees are juuuust fine, and I've put 70K plus on my current stick shift car.
 
2012-07-20 10:29:02 AM
In the UK, everyone learns on a manual, but it's solely a car nerd thing nowadays in the USA.

Mrs PH is perfectly good with 3 pedals, but prefers automatics for convenience.

We have one of each - hers is a slush box, my daily driver is manual, my weekend car has a DCT ... the latter technology will replace both manuals and autos for the swan song of the internal combustion engine, as it already has in high end performance cars.

- fuel economy equal to or better than a manual
- almost the same level of control
- better performance than a manual due to faster shifts
- the convenience of an automatic when you want it
 
2012-07-20 10:29:23 AM

fluffy2097: Buffet: How in blue blazes did the topic of steroids get into a thread about transmissions???
Anyway, I'd advise you keep your comments and opinions about it to yourself Mr. pencilneck!


Verbaltoxin, if you look at his profile page, is a tranny, and is undergoing whore moan therapy.


Does that mean when I've finished post-op we can hook up?

images.wikia.com
I JUST WANT YER LURRVES
 
2012-07-20 10:31:25 AM

verbaltoxin: (Though it is cute you're going fully internet tough guy there, fluffykins *kisses*)


A man named fluffy who's profile says "If you believe what I say you're dumber then I thought". VS. a man named "Verbaltoxin" who's profile is full of wrestling belts.

I think it's clear who's the ITG, don't you?

/troll lol lol
 
2012-07-20 10:34:01 AM
Other than a beat up old farm truck my dad gave me when I moved 14 hours away, I have always owned manuals. When my 5 spd Altima was written off a few years ago thanks to some teenage coont who was texting and driving, I got to remind myself why they are so much better. I had a rental from the insurance company and changed cars as often as I could to get a feel for what was available, and all were automatics. I learned that there is no point in getting a smaller car with a 4 cylinder engine and an automatic. There is absolutely no jam in them at all. In every single CVT car I drove, I could floor the gas and count to three before the car decided to downshift. Screw that. I went to a dealer and got a great deal on a 6 speed manual that had been sitting on the lot for a couple months.

The only weirdness I have with the 6 speed is that it has a "european" reverse, in that it is located on the far left instead of right, and you have to pull up a ring on the stick to get it to shift into reverse. I found myself unconsciously fiddling with the ring, until the day I accidentally shifted into reverse instead of first. That solved that little problem right quick.
 
2012-07-20 10:34:12 AM
All trolling aside though, yes I have heard numerous stories of how driving stick makes the driving experience more interactive, i.e. more fun for the driver.

That said it's just funny to me that it's referred to still as a "standard" when these days it's much more an option. Some cars don't even offer manual anymore. It's been relegated essentially to compacts and trucks.

Also the attitude that automatics are the same as they were in the 1980s seems to be prevalent. They're way better than back then.

Finally no, learning a stick doesn't interest me whatsoever. Again to me, it's like switching to a typewriter after using a computer for numerous years. Or sticking with vinyl records over MP3's, tube amps over solid state and digital, and so on. There's nothing wrong with the old stuff, but holding this weird reverence to it and insisting it's the "real" way to get things done is pretty ridiculous. There are many ways to skin a cat, including driving a car.

Besides in 30 years we won't even be driving the cars anymore, let's face it.
 
2012-07-20 10:34:55 AM

fluffy2097: verbaltoxin: (Though it is cute you're going fully internet tough guy there, fluffykins *kisses*)

A man named fluffy who's profile says "If you believe what I say you're dumber then I thought". VS. a man named "Verbaltoxin" who's profile is full of wrestling belts.

I think it's clear who's the ITG, don't you?

/troll lol lol


It's trolls trolling trolls at this point. Trolls all the way down as they say. Welcome to Friday mornings on Fark.
 
2012-07-20 10:35:03 AM
I love my manual. I like actually driving my car.

www.sacarfan.co.za

/GTI FTW
 
2012-07-20 10:36:54 AM

Farktastic: Other than a beat up old farm truck my dad gave me when I moved 14 hours away, I have always owned manuals. When my 5 spd Altima was written off a few years ago thanks to some teenage coont who was texting and driving, I got to remind myself why they are so much better. I had a rental from the insurance company and changed cars as often as I could to get a feel for what was available, and all were automatics. I learned that there is no point in getting a smaller car with a 4 cylinder engine and an automatic. There is absolutely no jam in them at all. In every single CVT car I drove, I could floor the gas and count to three before the car decided to downshift. Screw that. I went to a dealer and got a great deal on a 6 speed manual that had been sitting on the lot for a couple months.

The only weirdness I have with the 6 speed is that it has a "european" reverse, in that it is located on the far left instead of right, and you have to pull up a ring on the stick to get it to shift into reverse. I found myself unconsciously fiddling with the ring, until the day I accidentally shifted into reverse instead of first. That solved that little problem right quick.


My VW is the same idea- push down and into first equals reverse. I loaned a friend my car once- called me from a parking lot because my car didn't "have" reverse. I lol'd.
 
2012-07-20 10:38:45 AM
If you're an adult and can't drive a manual.... I don't know what to say. Are you retarded or something?
 
2012-07-20 10:38:51 AM
A professional driver could probably outperform a an automatic transmission, but few others could. Aren't there enough distractions while driving without have to give up an arm and a leg to switch gears?
 
2012-07-20 10:39:01 AM
Started on motorcycles when I was 12. Didn't get my first auto trans car until I was over 30. Born & raised in the NYC area.

Girion47: Basily Gourt: verbaltoxin: Joce678: I'm always gobsmacked over how smug Americans are when they can drive stick.

Everywhere else is the world it's just called "driving". Please. Your profile says you're from spain. Been there. We have an event here in america that equates to the way you folks drive. We call it the "demolition derby".



America has a very unique car culture, one which is mainly filled with Luddite idiots people stuck in traffic jams for hours on end, and don't want to lose the use of their left knee.

FTFY.

If you have to hold your clutch in that much in a traffic jam you don't know how to drive stick. I drove the DC Beltway everyday in a car with one of the stiffest clutches I've ever seen and never had any issues.


Started on motorcycles when I was 12. Didn't get my first auto trans car until I was over 30. Born & raised in the NYC area.

I know all the tricks. I once drove a beetle home without a functioning clutch. (that was fun, actually.)

I decided to go auto after spending 3 hours getting back over the GWB (from jersey back to ny) one late summer evening. 15 seconds of sitting, go 10 feet, 15 seconds of sitting, repeat for 3 hours.

I don't care how you finesse that situation, it's gonna hurt when you get home.
 
2012-07-20 10:40:23 AM

purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: If you're an adult and can't drive a manual.... I don't know what to say. Are you retarded or something?


No, just born after 1940.
 
2012-07-20 10:41:44 AM

thoughtsausage: I love my manual. I like actually driving my car.

[www.sacarfan.co.za image 448x275]

/GTI FTW


My wife's 6 speed 2.8 Jetta is SWEET!
/love that car but she won't trade me
//so much faster than mine
 
2012-07-20 10:42:04 AM
I enjoy stick shifts, as I find automatic to be boring as hell, plus standards do get, on average, better MPG
 
2012-07-20 10:42:57 AM

purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: If you're an adult and can't drive a manual.... I don't know what to say. Are you retarded or something?


No. Just literally have not had the tiniest opportunity to, despite being interested in learning.
 
2012-07-20 10:43:44 AM

hitlersbrain: purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: If you're an adult and can't drive a manual.... I don't know what to say. Are you retarded or something?

No, just born after 1940.


Whatever dude. Sounds like you are one of the retards that can't drive one I guess.
 
2012-07-20 10:44:30 AM

Lawnchair: purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: If you're an adult and can't drive a manual.... I don't know what to say. Are you retarded or something?

No. Just literally have not had the tiniest opportunity to, despite being interested in learning.


That I can understand.
 
2012-07-20 10:45:10 AM

hitlersbrain: A professional driver could probably outperform a an automatic transmission, but few others could. Aren't there enough distractions while driving without have to give up an arm and a leg to switch gears?


its called muscle memory, I'm never distracted by shifting, my body just does it.



Only comes in manual.
 
2012-07-20 10:45:25 AM
This has really rekindled my lack of interest.
 
2012-07-20 10:46:10 AM
Great to see a lot of people still like using a stick shift. I learned on a VW Bug back in college and have had nothing but stick shifts ever since. Downshifting can really prolong your brakes. It's just a better way to drive. It is funny though when I bought my last car that the dealer had to look around for one that was a manual transmission-but they're usually cheaper-bonus!
 
2012-07-20 10:46:27 AM

hitlersbrain: purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: If you're an adult and can't drive a manual.... I don't know what to say. Are you retarded or something?

No, just born after 1940.


There's that old person argument again. I don't get that- at all. It makes sense for people to know how. Maybe your grandfather who WAS born in 1940 is driving you somewhere and you have to take him to the hospital, hmmmm? Rather than being an ignorant Gen Why who probably still lives with your parents into your 30's, you could put down the Xbox controller and, I dunno, learn a skill? I spent last summer bonding with my stepdad- we built a clock in his garage shop. It was awesome.
 
2012-07-20 10:46:46 AM
dammit Fark, don't throw away my images.
i21.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-20 10:48:16 AM

Lawnchair: purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: If you're an adult and can't drive a manual.... I don't know what to say. Are you retarded or something?

No. Just literally have not had the tiniest opportunity to, despite being interested in learning.


You live anywhere near Louisville? I have an A4 I can teach you on.
 
2012-07-20 10:48:42 AM

Zizzowop: Downshifting can really prolong your brakes.


Brakes are cheaper then a clutch.

That said, I've got 60k miles on my brakes and clutch and neither are due for a change yet.
 
2012-07-20 10:51:04 AM

fluffy2097:
As a manual driver, I love to coast to a complete stop at a light using only engine braking, the roll about a foot back towards the tailgating asshole behind me before ever touching the brake pedal. Stops them from tailgating right quick. So does using engine braking. If they cant tell when you're decelerating because you don't use the brakes, they get very uncomfortable tailgating.


Not to mention that brake pads last longer
 
2012-07-20 10:54:36 AM
Learned to drive on a 1948 Willys Jeep when I was 12. We owned a summer camp in West Virginia and pop took me out to the middle of probably a 30 acre field with a single solitary tree in the center of it.

You bet yer ass I hit that tree. :)

Anyway, at the time, pop told me that if I can drive stick I can drive any personal passenger vehicle, a semi truck, a tractor, and be able to prolly figure out how to drive nearly anything else. It IS one of those skills you don't HAVE to have but is nice having.

Since then I've driven a 1980 Chevy Citation (pop's car when I was old enough to drive legally), a 1983 Nissan Sentra and today I drive a 1991 Jeep Wrangler:

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...that just turned 270K miles a couple months back. It's at around 272K now. Nice thing about a manual transmission: they're easier to fix/work on than an automatic. Less things to go wrong with them.
 
2012-07-20 10:55:31 AM

Girion47: You live anywhere near Louisville? I have an A4 I can teach you on.


Not particularly. Thanks for the offer though. It's annoying to have people simultaneously laugh at you for not knowing then chicken out on letting you try.
 
2012-07-20 10:58:55 AM

Tentacle: fluffy2097:
As a manual driver, I love to coast to a complete stop at a light using only engine braking, the roll about a foot back towards the tailgating asshole behind me before ever touching the brake pedal. Stops them from tailgating right quick. So does using engine braking. If they cant tell when you're decelerating because you don't use the brakes, they get very uncomfortable tailgating.


Not to mention that brake pads last longer


When I took my drivers test the evaluator dinged me for coasting in neutral and not staying in a gear the whole time. Even at a light you are apparently supposed to sit there in gear with the clutch in.
I said "You know brakes are a lot cheaper than a clutch right? Is it going to keep me from getting my license? She said no, so... hell no I'm not going sit at the light with my clutch in the whole time.
 
2012-07-20 10:59:27 AM
Absolutely. And it's not that hard to learn. You just need to get over your fear of stalling and a some practice on light traffic roads.

It's so much more fun to drive with a manual transmission. I love driving my BF's Audi A5. I had to give up my Wrangler with a manual transmission when I was commuting about an hour each way in stop and go traffic because it was such a hassle and the clutch was a beast. I would have switched back to a manual transmission since I now live only three miles from work, but I couldn't find a used Grand Cherokee with stick. Hell, it was hard enough to find one that was 4WD, surprisingly enough. Most of them were just AWD.
 
2012-07-20 11:00:03 AM

Lawnchair: Girion47: You live anywhere near Louisville? I have an A4 I can teach you on.

Not particularly. Thanks for the offer though. It's annoying to have people simultaneously laugh at you for not knowing then chicken out on letting you try.


it's 12 years old, has a relatively new clutch and needs 5K in repairs. If I can't fix most of it myself we're junking it. A lot of younger family members are getting their chance to learn stick.
 
2012-07-20 11:04:10 AM
I don't look down on those who can't or won't drive a stickshift -at least not publicly- but to me it's the difference between driving your vehicle somewhere and being driven somewhere by your vehicle. I think it was a recent Acura commercial said something like "some people still prefer to have a firm handshake with the road."

Bought the vehicle of my dreams about a year ago. (in addition to being a stickshift, it's a well-designed Toyota, older but kept in perfect condition, and no power locks or windows to break) Have always known how to drive stick, but in the first year of owning one I've gotten much better at it -without destroying the transmission, thankfully. There's all sorts of subtleties about how to ease off the pedals various circumstances.

Quick question: does anyone out there regularly push-start a stick on a regular basis? Glad it hasn't come up in my case.
 
2012-07-20 11:05:02 AM

hitlersbrain: A professional driver could probably outperform a an automatic transmission, but few others could. Aren't there enough distractions while driving without have to give up an arm and a leg to switch gears?


I can drive faster and get better mileage in a manual than I can in an automatic, often at the same time and if there's anything that we can be sure of it's that I am NOT a professional driver. Driving a manual forces you to pay attention to the road and plan ahead instead of worrying about what your BFF Jill is texting you.
 
2012-07-20 11:06:54 AM

purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: When I took my drivers test the evaluator dinged me for coasting in neutral and not staying in a gear the whole time. Even at a light you are apparently supposed to sit there in gear with the clutch in.


I don't like to coast in neutral, but I most certainly don't sit around at lights with my foot on the clutch. That's just a waste of friction material.
 
2012-07-20 11:08:19 AM

fluffy2097: Zizzowop: Downshifting can really prolong your brakes.

Brakes are cheaper then a clutch.

That said, I've got 60k miles on my brakes and clutch and neither are due for a change yet.


First time I had my brakes done were at 70k miles. My car currently has just over 100K and I have not needed to do anything with the clutch. I love my MP5.
 
2012-07-20 11:08:37 AM

Girion47: Lawnchair: Girion47: You live anywhere near Louisville? I have an A4 I can teach you on.

Not particularly. Thanks for the offer though. It's annoying to have people simultaneously laugh at you for not knowing then chicken out on letting you try.

it's 12 years old, has a relatively new clutch and needs 5K in repairs. If I can't fix most of it myself we're junking it. A lot of younger family members are getting their chance to learn stick.


I've been trying to teach my son and it has been a painful experiance. He really needs someone who is not me and not in my car :)

VW's and Audi's have the best feeling clutches. The clutch pedal feels like its actually connected to the clutch. I don't know how else to explain it. Every Japanese manual car I have driven the clutch feels like it works by a switch or something. Like the only choice is engaged or not.

02 jetta and an 03 A4 at my house
 
2012-07-20 11:09:05 AM

dickfreckle: How do you folks live like that? It's like farking in the same position for all those cumulative hours you'll spend driving in your whole life, man. Communicate with your machine, dammit.


They are already dead inside. They just commute to work, put in their 8 hours, commute home, argue with their frigid wife, yell at their kids, get drunk, pass out. Then repeat the process the next day.

Until they die.

/a shame really.
 
2012-07-20 11:11:11 AM

fluffy2097: Zizzowop: Downshifting can really prolong your brakes.

Brakes are cheaper then a clutch.

That said, I've got 60k miles on my brakes and clutch and neither are due for a change yet.


If you do it right, there's zero clutch wear.
 
2012-07-20 11:13:20 AM

Inflatable Rhetoric: If you do it right, there's zero clutch wear.


Rev matching is an art though. There are syncros to consider too unless you're double clutching. Not that its likely you'll blow out anything other then first and second gears syncros, even when doing it wrong...
 
2012-07-20 11:15:04 AM

Inflatable Rhetoric: fluffy2097: Zizzowop: Downshifting can really prolong your brakes.

Brakes are cheaper then a clutch.

That said, I've got 60k miles on my brakes and clutch and neither are due for a change yet.

If you do it right, there's zero clutch wear.


I prefer sticks, so does my wife.

I lived in Michigan, and they're much better on ice and snow. I still find the subject less than exciting, tho.
 
2012-07-20 11:15:29 AM

Prattle Assassin:
Quick question: does anyone out there regularly push-start a stick on a regular basis? Glad it hasn't come up in my case.


Not since I sold the 71 Super Beetle
(she went to a good home to someone who totally restored her. I still her driving around sometimes. I loved that car, but needed the money)
 
2012-07-20 11:15:56 AM

purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: Girion47: Lawnchair: Girion47: You live anywhere near Louisville? I have an A4 I can teach you on.

Not particularly. Thanks for the offer though. It's annoying to have people simultaneously laugh at you for not knowing then chicken out on letting you try.

it's 12 years old, has a relatively new clutch and needs 5K in repairs. If I can't fix most of it myself we're junking it. A lot of younger family members are getting their chance to learn stick.

I've been trying to teach my son and it has been a painful experiance. He really needs someone who is not me and not in my car :)

VW's and Audi's have the best feeling clutches. The clutch pedal feels like its actually connected to the clutch. I don't know how else to explain it. Every Japanese manual car I have driven the clutch feels like it works by a switch or something. Like the only choice is engaged or not.

02 jetta and an 03 A4 at my house


I actually learned stick on my wife's 04 Jetta.

My Audi is an 01 1.8T Quattro. My in-laws had it imported brand new from Germany, still has the first aid kit with all german instructions in the back seat armrest. You can tell it's Euro because it has a sock to hold your skis when they come through the seat from your trunk. We got it when they decided to buy a Cayman.

My WRX doesn't feel off/on to me but the mazdaspeed 3 I test drove did.

I just remembered, snow driving, a manual is far superior for driving in slippery conditions when absolute control of engine revolutions is important. I can slow my car by downshifting and letting off the gas, I still have power pulling me so no brakes to induce sliding.
 
2012-07-20 11:16:16 AM

purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: When I took my drivers test the evaluator dinged me for coasting in neutral and not staying in a gear the whole time. Even at a light you are apparently supposed to sit there in gear with the clutch in.
I said "You know brakes are a lot cheaper than a clutch right? Is it going to keep me from getting my license? She said no, so... hell no I'm not going sit at the light with my clutch in the whole time.


I've had several police officers tell me it is illegal in my state because a vehicle is supposed to be in gear at stops for safety reasons. I really don't know if that is a law or if they are just spouting nonsense to be sound knowledgable. However, holding a clutch in to go to first gear anyway shouldn't overstress a clutch.

//My Honda had 150K miles on it when my mechanic asked when I last changed the clutch. I said never. He asked if I used the engine to slow down or brakes, and I said the engine. He shook his head in amazement and said the clutch looked brand new and the brakes were just on the verge of needing to be replaced, so I guess I must have been doing something right.
 
2012-07-20 11:20:29 AM

URAPNIS: This new Scion FR-S gets better mpg's with an automatic than its manual counterpart.
I Haz a sad.

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This is very often due to a different final drive ratio. The car we had before this one was an automatic that we leased (couldn't find a stick to lease!) and it got 1-2 mpg better than the manual transmission car we've driven for the past 5 years. The reason is that the automatic is of a later design, more optimized to the engine's power curve. The design of the 5-speed manual in this car is ancient, automotively speaking.
 
2012-07-20 11:32:17 AM

purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: VW's and Audi's have the best feeling clutches. The clutch pedal feels like its actually connected to the clutch. I don't know how else to explain it. Every Japanese manual car I have driven the clutch feels like it works by a switch or something. Like the only choice is engaged or not.


I drive a Mazda 6 5-speed and recently had to move a friends Jetta for her.. There was much WTFing and cursing at the clutch briefly while I figured it out. I know what you mean, but I definitely don't know if I like it. Some Japanese cars are waaay to "on/off" with the clutch but I like that my 6 goes from fully disengaged to engaged in maybe two inches of pedal movement.

On the greater subject of the thread, it's totally unnecessary to know how to drive a manual transmission these days, but refusing to do so renders all of your opinions on the subject of driving meaningless. If you know how to drive one and prefer automatic, I respect that. If you don't know how, you can't form an opinion on it. It's nearly impossible to describe why driving a stick is enjoyable to someone who doesn't know how to do it.
 
2012-07-20 11:32:43 AM

doglover: If you can't drive stick, you can't drive yet.


Uh, yeah. You can.
 
2012-07-20 11:34:21 AM
Bah. Learn to shift a manual without clutching and then come talk to me.
 
2012-07-20 11:37:00 AM

Peki: Bah. Learn to shift a manual without clutching and then come talk to me.


Do you perchance sell rebuilt transmissions?

Lando Lincoln: doglover: If you can't drive stick, you can't drive yet.

Uh, yeah. You can.


No, you don't drive an automatic. You tell it where to go.
 
2012-07-20 11:38:33 AM

Peki: Bah. Learn to shift a manual without clutching and then come talk to me.


the secret is blipping the rev's before you upshift.
 
2012-07-20 11:42:46 AM
Driving a stick
Writing cursive

Welcome to America's most useless tasks
 
2012-07-20 11:44:58 AM

pkellmey: I've had several police officers tell me it is illegal in my state because a vehicle is supposed to be in gear at stops for safety reasons. I really don't know if that is a law or if they are just spouting nonsense to be sound knowledgable. However, holding a clutch in to go to first gear anyway shouldn't overstress a clutch.

//My Honda had 150K miles on it when my mechanic asked when I last changed the clutch. I said never. He asked if I used the engine to slow down or brakes, and I said the engine. He shook his head in amazement and said the clutch looked brand new and the brakes were just on the verge of needing to be replaced, so I guess I must have been doing something right.


There's on-purpose downshifting, and there's accidental downshifting, especially with unfamiliar vehicles; the effect being like stomping on the brakes without the taillights shining -damn dangerous, and an excellent reminder to ease into every gear.

As for that law, if you were idling in neutral with your foot on the brake and got rear-ended, you might be pushed further into traffic than otherwise. Admittedly it's a pain to keep the clutch pressed in for several minutes behind a slow intersection. If I'm boxed in, I break that law.
 
2012-07-20 11:45:24 AM
If you are a self respecting man, you should know how to drive stick.

You don't want to be the guy who says "oh, is it stick? Because I can't drive that".
 
2012-07-20 11:48:55 AM

doglover: If you can't drive stick, you can't drive yet.


Also:
If you don't start your car with a crankshaft, you're not really driving.


You crotchety old farts and your obsolete technology amuse me.
 
2012-07-20 11:53:35 AM
The smug is strong in this thread.

You're shifting gears in a motor vehicle, not taking the space shuttle in for a dead-stick landing.

/get over yourselves
 
2012-07-20 11:53:50 AM

aerojockey: doglover: If you can't drive stick, you can't drive yet.

Also:
If you don't start your car with a crankshaft, you're not really driving.


You crotchety old farts and your obsolete technology amuse me.


Considering automatics were introduced in the 1930's you can't really use the "OMG MANUAL IS OLD TECH" argument.

Your insistence on ignorance amuses me.
 
2012-07-20 12:02:34 PM

MythDragon: Cewley: hell no! but it's more fun when you have a fun stick shift car, e.g MazdaSpeed 3!

Just bought one 3 weeks ago. 263hp. Farking awesome.


It's almost awesome. I test drove one a few weeks ago along side a WRX. The boost lag on that Speed3 is awful. For the approximate price range you'd be far better off getting a WRX, in this farker's opinion. The WRX has a better trans too.

/and AWD
 
2012-07-20 12:05:52 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: MythDragon: Cewley: hell no! but it's more fun when you have a fun stick shift car, e.g MazdaSpeed 3!

Just bought one 3 weeks ago. 263hp. Farking awesome.

It's almost awesome. I test drove one a few weeks ago along side a WRX. The boost lag on that Speed3 is awful. For the approximate price range you'd be far better off getting a WRX, in this farker's opinion. The WRX has a better trans too.

/and AWD


That's the exact reason I bought my subie, make sure you check out NASIOC, they can answer any question you have about the car.
 
2012-07-20 12:07:30 PM
My father was adamant that all four of his children would learn how to drive a stick. Our mother has always driven stick; still does. He took us each out to the nearby state park in her car for lessons before we earned our licenses. One of the best tests was to park the car at an intersection, facing up a ~40-degree incline. Then making us get in and, in his words, "Go. Forward."

Two of us kid still retain our ability to drive stick; my sister has often owned manuals and I have on occasion owned one. i take my mom's car out often on errands just so/because I can.
 
2012-07-20 12:07:45 PM

aerojockey: You crotchety old farts and your obsolete technology amuse me.


One day, you will be faced with a classic muscle car, and an owner willing to let you drive it.

You will have to decline the chance to drive an awesome classic car, because 3 pedals confuses you.

On that day, you will have to hand in your man card.

/I know how to sail a boat too.
//And ride a horse
///I MIGHT even be able to fly a plane. (As long as I don't have to take off or land)
////Will I ever use this shiat? Probably not.
//Will I ever have to hand in my man card? Nope.
 
2012-07-20 12:08:42 PM

fluffy2097: No, you don't drive an automatic. You tell it where to go.


Just shut up until you know how to DRIVE a Cugnot Steam Trolley. All other cars you just tell them where to go.

upload.wikimedia.org

Yes, that's how dumb you guys sound.
 
2012-07-20 12:10:23 PM

Lando Lincoln: Just shut up until you know how to DRIVE a Cugnot Steam Trolley. All other cars you just tell them where to go.


Give me one and the manual. I'll take you out for lunch with it in an hour or so.

/You are so proud of your ignorance...
 
2012-07-20 12:14:27 PM

fluffy2097: //Will I ever have to hand in my man card? Nope.


Whatever you say, fluffy.
 
2012-07-20 12:17:01 PM

fluffy2097: Lando Lincoln: Just shut up until you know how to DRIVE a Cugnot Steam Trolley. All other cars you just tell them where to go.

Give me one and the manual. I'll take you out for lunch with it in an hour or so.

/You are so proud of your ignorance...


No, idiot. I know how to drive stick. I'm not in love with it like you guys are.
 
2012-07-20 12:18:04 PM

D-Liver: If you are a self respecting man, you should know how to drive stick.

You don't want to be the guy who says "oh, is it stick? Because I can't drive that".


Why? I've never understood that argument. What exactly am I supposed to be afraid of? Is it presumed that my friends are uneducated and intolerant, and that I'm insecure enough that I need them to tell me I'm a man? How exactly does my preference in automobile transmissions impact my ability to live my life? Is there a list of all the features I should and should not have in my car? Am I free to get a car with a sunroof, or only cars with a roof rack? Why aren't women also expected to be able to drive a manual transmission? Do you believe that they're not smart enough to do so? What are the rules for gay men? Are males with disabilities not "real" men if it impacts their ability to drive a manual transmission?

You don't want to be the guy who says "oh, is it automatic? Because I won't drive that".

/I'm not trolling, but perhaps you are.
 
2012-07-20 12:21:20 PM

aerojockey: fluffy2097: //Will I ever have to hand in my man card? Nope.

Whatever you say, fluffy.


Well, I'm not going to have to hand it in over an inability to operate a mode of transportation.
 
2012-07-20 12:23:03 PM

literaldeluxe: Why? I've never understood that argument. What exactly am I supposed to be afraid of? Is it presumed that my friends are uneducated and intolerant, and that I'm insecure enough that I need them to tell me I'm a man? How exactly does my preference in automobile transmissions impact my ability to live my life?


Because someday, you might be in a situation where you will NEED to drive a stick shift.

If you can't when that day comes, you're going to be in trouble.

/always be prepared and such.
 
2012-07-20 12:24:34 PM

Peki: Bah. Learn to shift a manual without clutching and then come talk to me.


I can do it :)
 
2012-07-20 12:28:01 PM

kiwimoogle84: Peki: Bah. Learn to shift a manual without clutching and then come talk to me.

I can do it :)


I've done it. Once out of gear, once into gear.

I understand the principle but I'm going to wait until my syncro's die and I need a rebuild anyways to try operations almost sure to grind up the dogteeth. Messing up that kind of shift is too expensive a mistake.
 
2012-07-20 12:30:46 PM
In America? Clearly it's not necessary. However, there are 2 really good reasons I can think of off the top of my head:

1. It's a great theft-deterrent since most asshat car thieves can't drive one
2. If you want to rent a car in Europe, it can be difficult to find an automatic, plus automatics cost more to rent

In reference to #2, I once witnessed a totally amusing scene where an angry and distraught American woman was screaming at the staff of the Sixt rental desk at Frankfurt airport because they no longer had the A/T car she reserved and she was unable to drive a stick. Classic Ugly American rant that made me embarrassed to be from the same country!
 
2012-07-20 12:32:20 PM
I prefer stick. Not only is the mileage better, but it's cheaper to fix a clutch than an automatic transmission. I learned on one and then I was a truck driver for a while, so it's second nature to me. My poor husband doesn't know how, though, and he won't let me teach him because then he would feel unmanly or something. One would think it's more unmanly to not know how to drive a standard vehicle.
 
2012-07-20 12:33:28 PM

fluffy2097: literaldeluxe: Why? I've never understood that argument. What exactly am I supposed to be afraid of? Is it presumed that my friends are uneducated and intolerant, and that I'm insecure enough that I need them to tell me I'm a man? How exactly does my preference in automobile transmissions impact my ability to live my life?

Because someday, you might be in a situation where you will NEED to drive a stick shift.

If you can't when that day comes, you're going to be in trouble.

/always be prepared and such.


What exactly do you think the odds of that are? Given that the majority of cars in the country in which I live are automatic transmissions, it's not even statistically likely that if I were in a situation in which I had to drive a car not of my choosing it would be a manual. And, quite frankly, there is pretty much no chance of me ever having to drive a car not of my choosing. See, not only do car dealers have automatic transmissions, car rental companies do, too. I don't steal cars, and I don't live in a disaster-prone area (nor do I plan for ridiculously unlikely doomsday scenarios that would require me stealing cars). Whose car am I supposed to be driving, and why? While I'm sure there are some people that find themselves in such circumstances with regularity, I'm not one of them. Should I mock them for being unprepared for problems that I am more prepared to deal with, yet are unlikely to ever confront them?

"Always be prepared" is a logical absurdity. That's the whole joke of Batman: he's magically prepared for everything, even though that's impossible. "Always try to be reasonably prepared for situations that are beyond a certain threshold of likelihood" has less ring to it, but it's far less silly.
 
2012-07-20 12:39:20 PM
I won't buy a car without a manual transmission. Is driving stick an "essential" skill? Not really, unless you want to be a truck driver.
 
2012-07-20 12:42:13 PM

farkityfarker: Nightjars: farkityfarker: I enjoyed driving with manual transmission when I lived in an area where all the roads were flat.

Once I moved to where I live now, where there's almost no such thing as a road that isn't on an upgrade or downgrade, I gave it up and bought a car with automatic transmission.

That's where you can let your skills really shine! Where I live, the steep hills in Downtown Seattle are like driving in hard mode, once you master it, you get to claim your bragging rights.

LOL, that's where I live.

I got tired of worrying about backing into the car behind me every time the light turns green.


Drive with 3 feet ;) Foot on the brake, turn it toward the gas as you let go of the clutch. Once you feel the clutch grabbing, you can let your foot off the brake. Start up any hill with no slip back, really easy.
 
2012-07-20 12:43:48 PM

literaldeluxe: What exactly do you think the odds of that are? Given that the majority of cars in the country in which I live are automatic transmissions, it's not even statistically likely that if I were in a situation in which I had to drive a car not of my choosing it would be a manual. And, quite frankly, there is pretty much no chance of me ever having to drive a car not of my choosing. See, not only do car dealers have automatic transmissions, car rental companies do, too. I don't steal cars, and I don't live in a disaster-prone area (nor do I plan for ridiculously unlikely doomsday scenarios that would require me stealing cars). Whose car am I supposed to be driving, and why? While I'm sure there are some people that find themselves in such circumstances with regularity, I'm not one of them. Should I mock them for being unprepared for problems that I am more prepared to deal with, yet are unlikely to ever confront them?

"Always be prepared" is a logical absurdity. That's the whole joke of Batman: he's magically prepared for everything, even though that's impossible. "Always try to be reasonably prepared for situations that are beyond a certain threshold of likelihood" has less ring to it, but it's far less silly.


you sound fun at parties, hell you can come over and fark my sister

/bla bla bla, stuff sounds hard, why should I ever try or learn anything new
 
2012-07-20 12:43:50 PM

yellow_shark: In America? Clearly it's not necessary. However, there are 2 really good reasons I can think of off the top of my head:

1. It's a great theft-deterrent since most asshat car thieves can't drive one
2. If you want to rent a car in Europe, it can be difficult to find an automatic, plus automatics cost more to rent

In reference to #2, I once witnessed a totally amusing scene where an angry and distraught American woman was screaming at the staff of the Sixt rental desk at Frankfurt airport because they no longer had the A/T car she reserved and she was unable to drive a stick. Classic Ugly American rant that made me embarrassed to be from the same country!


That's funny, my mother-in-law went to Australia and they refused to rent her a manual transmission car until she sat there and argued with them for an hour.
 
2012-07-20 12:45:15 PM

craig328: Learned to drive on a 1948 Willys Jeep when I was 12. We owned a summer camp in West Virginia and pop took me out to the middle of probably a 30 acre field with a single solitary tree in the center of it.

You bet yer ass I hit that tree. :)

Anyway, at the time, pop told me that if I can drive stick I can drive any personal passenger vehicle, a semi truck, a tractor, and be able to prolly figure out how to drive nearly anything else. It IS one of those skills you don't HAVE to have but is nice having.

Since then I've driven a 1980 Chevy Citation (pop's car when I was old enough to drive legally), a 1983 Nissan Sentra and today I drive a 1991 Jeep Wrangler:

[a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net image 850x508]

...that just turned 270K miles a couple months back. It's at around 272K now. Nice thing about a manual transmission: they're easier to fix/work on than an automatic. Less things to go wrong with them.


Plus since most people don't like driving a stick (especially in the 'big city') you can get them cheaper than you can an automatic
 
2012-07-20 12:46:41 PM

Pitabred: farkityfarker: Nightjars: farkityfarker: I enjoyed driving with manual transmission when I lived in an area where all the roads were flat.

Once I moved to where I live now, where there's almost no such thing as a road that isn't on an upgrade or downgrade, I gave it up and bought a car with automatic transmission.

That's where you can let your skills really shine! Where I live, the steep hills in Downtown Seattle are like driving in hard mode, once you master it, you get to claim your bragging rights.

LOL, that's where I live.

I got tired of worrying about backing into the car behind me every time the light turns green.

Drive with 3 feet ;) Foot on the brake, turn it toward the gas as you let go of the clutch. Once you feel the clutch grabbing, you can let your foot off the brake. Start up any hill with no slip back, really easy.


This type of parking brake is always handy for that too.
 
2012-07-20 12:47:57 PM

MindStalker: miss diminutive: The My Little Pony Killer: miss diminutive: One of my few regrets is that I never learned how to drive stick. An ex-bf tried to teach me once, but he got so pissy with me when I stalled it once that I just decided it wasn't worth the hassle.

It's incredibly worth it. You should try again with somebody who isn't an impatient sissy. Stalling out is just part of the deal when you're learning.

That's what I figured, stalling is just part of the learning experience. Apparently he learned to drive without stalling (so he claimed). He was kind of a douche when it came to things like that, not surprisingly we didn't last very long after that.

I would ask my dad, since he was the one who taught me to drive in the first place, but he's got the worst case of invisible brake syndrome* that just makes me tense up and forget what I'm doing.

*while in the passenger seat his foot slams the floorboard instinctively, looking for the brake pedal that isn't there

That's why I love that my car has an emergency brake in the middle. So I can yank it while my daughter is driving! (Got her learners license a few weeks ago, I haven't had to yank the e-brake yet!, though I did yank it on a friend whom I was teaching to drive my stick a few months ago just to test his clutch reaction time! )


That would've gotten you backhanded in my car. It has gotten one of my friends backhanded because he didn't believe me. Rule one in my car: You do not touch the controls while I am driving. Rule 2: You do NOT touch the farkING controls while I am driving.
 
2012-07-20 12:48:18 PM

URAPNIS: Pitabred: farkityfarker: Nightjars: farkityfarker: I enjoyed driving with manual transmission when I lived in an area where all the roads were flat.

Once I moved to where I live now, where there's almost no such thing as a road that isn't on an upgrade or downgrade, I gave it up and bought a car with automatic transmission.

That's where you can let your skills really shine! Where I live, the steep hills in Downtown Seattle are like driving in hard mode, once you master it, you get to claim your bragging rights.

LOL, that's where I live.

I got tired of worrying about backing into the car behind me every time the light turns green.

Drive with 3 feet ;) Foot on the brake, turn it toward the gas as you let go of the clutch. Once you feel the clutch grabbing, you can let your foot off the brake. Start up any hill with no slip back, really easy.

This type of parking brake is always handy for that too.


Oops.

autoraiders.com
 
2012-07-20 12:49:30 PM

literaldeluxe: What exactly do you think the odds of that are?


It will happen at least once in your life and it will be embarrassing.

It only takes an hour or so to learn how to do. Why not learn something instead of watching TV?
 
2012-07-20 12:49:50 PM

kiwimoogle84: MoronLessOff: So...how would one go about learning to drive a stick if one were interested? I don't have any friends or family to teach me.

Honey, I learned to drive a stick because my first car was one- I bought it from a family member and just had to drive it from Colorado to California to get it home.

Uh, surprise.

After 12 hours and several stalls, I was a pro.

Come out for GenCon, I'll teach ya :)


A tempting offer.
 
2012-07-20 12:51:13 PM

fluffy2097: literaldeluxe: What exactly do you think the odds of that are?

It will happen at least once in your life and it will be embarrassing.

It only takes an hour or so to learn how to do. Why not learn something instead of watching TV?


Probably afraid to get Cheeto dust on the shifter.

/i keed
 
2012-07-20 01:01:03 PM

Voiceofreason01: literaldeluxe: What exactly do you think the odds of that are? Given that the majority of cars in the country in which I live are automatic transmissions, it's not even statistically likely that if I were in a situation in which I had to drive a car not of my choosing it would be a manual. And, quite frankly, there is pretty much no chance of me ever having to drive a car not of my choosing. See, not only do car dealers have automatic transmissions, car rental companies do, too. I don't steal cars, and I don't live in a disaster-prone area (nor do I plan for ridiculously unlikely doomsday scenarios that would require me stealing cars). Whose car am I supposed to be driving, and why? While I'm sure there are some people that find themselves in such circumstances with regularity, I'm not one of them. Should I mock them for being unprepared for problems that I am more prepared to deal with, yet are unlikely to ever confront them?

"Always be prepared" is a logical absurdity. That's the whole joke of Batman: he's magically prepared for everything, even though that's impossible. "Always try to be reasonably prepared for situations that are beyond a certain threshold of likelihood" has less ring to it, but it's far less silly.

you sound fun at parties, hell you can come over and fark my sister

/bla bla bla, stuff sounds hard, why should I ever try or learn anything new


Most people don't drive a manual because they have no need to, not because it "sounds hard." Most people have no reason to invest their time and energy into something that will not improve their life, and isn't something they're passionate about. Many people just drive because they need to get from point A to point B, and it's the best option available, not because driving is their hobby or interest.

I'm not sure why you think not knowing how to drive a manual transmission is in any way related to whether or not someone is open to new things. Should everyone mock you for not taking up their hobbies? Have you tried every possible activity on Earth? How did you choose which ones to try? There are lots of amazing things that people can learn and explore; let everyone decide which ones they want to invest their time and energy into. Encouraging exploration is great, and most people need to broaden their horizons and skills, but forcing everyone to try the same things makes for a dull world.
 
2012-07-20 01:02:26 PM

URAPNIS: URAPNIS: Pitabred: farkityfarker: Nightjars: farkityfarker: I enjoyed driving with manual transmission when I lived in an area where all the roads were flat.

Once I moved to where I live now, where there's almost no such thing as a road that isn't on an upgrade or downgrade, I gave it up and bought a car with automatic transmission.

That's where you can let your skills really shine! Where I live, the steep hills in Downtown Seattle are like driving in hard mode, once you master it, you get to claim your bragging rights.

LOL, that's where I live.

I got tired of worrying about backing into the car behind me every time the light turns green.

Drive with 3 feet ;) Foot on the brake, turn it toward the gas as you let go of the clutch. Once you feel the clutch grabbing, you can let your foot off the brake. Start up any hill with no slip back, really easy.

This type of parking brake is always handy for that too.

Oops.

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The problem with using the parking brake is you can't ease off of it. It's basically on or off. And there are lots of cars with them down on the floor and not a handbrake. Easier to just use the regular brake you just used to stop anyway, just keep your foot half on it, half on the gas, and slide it all the way to the gas once you get the clutch engaging ;)
 
2012-07-20 01:04:01 PM

Pitabred: That would've gotten you backhanded in my car. It has gotten one of my friends backhanded because he didn't believe me. Rule one in my car: You do not touch the controls while I am driving. Rule 2: You do NOT touch the farkING controls while I am driving.


You missed that it was MY car and I was teaching them to drive, etc. Of course I would never do this normally.
 
2012-07-20 01:04:58 PM
All of my family's cars were stick.
I was taught on stick.
All of my cars have been stick.

Stick shift (as of 2011) was worth $1500 at the dealer where I bought my mazda. (1500 more for automatic).

I 100% believe that driving stick makes you a better driver for a multitude of reasons. Mostly cause you cant be farking around with your phone and shifting and steering at the same time. Also it makes you very aware of how you are driving and others. Speed control.

Stick shift. May it live forever.
 
2012-07-20 01:05:40 PM

literaldeluxe: And, quite frankly, there is pretty much no chance of me ever having to drive a car not of my choosing.


Since college, this scenario has pretty much not happened one time that I can think of. And, no, US/Canadian car rental companies don't have stick shift vehicles either (I did ask around once, again, looking to learn).

In college, though, it came up at least four times (road trips, being the sober one at the party, etc), but, again, "I've never actually driven a stick but would like to try" was, while embarrassing to admit, also met with "err, um... nah... that's alright" every time.
 
2012-07-20 01:07:40 PM

fluffy2097: literaldeluxe: What exactly do you think the odds of that are?

It will happen at least once in your life and it will be embarrassing.

It only takes an hour or so to learn how to do. Why not learn something instead of watching TV?


Why would it be embarrassing? Are you embarrassed every time you encounter an unexpected situation that you're not perfectly prepared for?
 
2012-07-20 01:08:59 PM

literaldeluxe: Voiceofreason01: literaldeluxe: What exactly do you think the odds of that are? Given that the majority of cars in the country in which I live are automatic transmissions, it's not even statistically likely that if I were in a situation in which I had to drive a car not of my choosing it would be a manual. And, quite frankly, there is pretty much no chance of me ever having to drive a car not of my choosing. See, not only do car dealers have automatic transmissions, car rental companies do, too. I don't steal cars, and I don't live in a disaster-prone area (nor do I plan for ridiculously unlikely doomsday scenarios that would require me stealing cars). Whose car am I supposed to be driving, and why? While I'm sure there are some people that find themselves in such circumstances with regularity, I'm not one of them. Should I mock them for being unprepared for problems that I am more prepared to deal with, yet are unlikely to ever confront them?

"Always be prepared" is a logical absurdity. That's the whole joke of Batman: he's magically prepared for everything, even though that's impossible. "Always try to be reasonably prepared for situations that are beyond a certain threshold of likelihood" has less ring to it, but it's far less silly.

you sound fun at parties, hell you can come over and fark my sister

/bla bla bla, stuff sounds hard, why should I ever try or learn anything new

Most people don't drive a manual because they have no need to, not because it "sounds hard." Most people have no reason to invest their time and energy into something that will not improve their life, and isn't something they're passionate about. Many people just drive because they need to get from point A to point B, and it's the best option available, not because driving is their hobby or interest.

I'm not sure why you think not knowing how to drive a manual transmission is in any way related to whether or not someone is open to new things. Should everyone mock you for not taking up t ...


Do you believe everyone should know how to change a tire?

You may never need to use the skill, but if you find yourself in a pickle, it's good to know how.

That's all most of us are really saying. It's not a hobby, it's a life skill, like knowing how to use a washing machine or changing a tire.
 
2012-07-20 01:12:49 PM

Pitabred: The problem with using the parking brake is you can't ease off of it. It's basically on or off. And there are lots of cars with them down on the floor and not a handbrake. Easier to just use the regular brake you just used to stop anyway, just keep your foot half on it, half on the gas, and slide it all the way to the gas once you get the clutch engaging ;)


That doesn't seem easier to me!
Not talking about the floor type EB. That's just silly!!
I have to disagree with the on/off aspect. Mine eases quite nicely. I could use it for normal braking if I wanted.
Six of one/half dozen of another, I suppose!
:)
 
2012-07-20 01:14:00 PM
Got 11 years and 108 thousand miles on the original clutch of my 01 prizm, but in all honesty, it's probably the last manual I'll buy.

Automatics have just gotten too good these days. MPG is pretty much equal, arguably better with the auto unless you drive the manual perfectly.

Durability too, you will burn out a clutch, eventually, no matter how well you drive it. A new, well-built automatic, maintained with modern synthetic ATF will last indefinitely.

Autos are even getting into the trucking industry
 
2012-07-20 01:14:55 PM

kiwimoogle84: Do you believe everyone should know how to change a tire?

You may never need to use the skill, but if you find yourself in a pickle, it's good to know how.

That's all most of us are really saying. It's not a hobby, it's a life skill, like knowing how to use a washing machine or changing a tire


Just to add fun fuel to the fire... I don't have a spare tire in my car... it has run flat tires and also comes with an air compressor that also has a second hose for tire chemical fill.

But, I DO know how to drive stick and I DO know how to change a tired.. neither of which I need in my new car. ;)
 
2012-07-20 01:16:54 PM

kiwimoogle84: Do you believe everyone should know how to change a tire?

You may never need to use the skill, but if you find yourself in a pickle, it's good to know how.

That's all most of us are really saying. It's not a hobby, it's a life skill, like knowing how to use a washing machine or changing a tire.


No, I don't. We live in a world with cell phones and tow trucks. For the majority of the US population, there is no need to learn how to change a tire; you just pull out you cell phone, call AAA, and wait a few minutes. People who live or drive in rural areas and other places without reliable cell phone coverage or tow truck service are the exception, not the rule. Times have changed, and the list of necessary/useful skills has changed.
 
2012-07-20 01:18:17 PM
If you're not using one of these, you're not really doing calculations:
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If you're not using one of these, you're not really writing:
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If you're not using one of these, you're not really listening to music:
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2012-07-20 01:20:44 PM

literaldeluxe: D-Liver: If you are a self respecting man, you should know how to drive stick.

You don't want to be the guy who says "oh, is it stick? Because I can't drive that".

Why? I've never understood that argument. What exactly am I supposed to be afraid of? Is it presumed that my friends are uneducated and intolerant, and that I'm insecure enough that I need them to tell me I'm a man? How exactly does my preference in automobile transmissions impact my ability to live my life? Is there a list of all the features I should and should not have in my car? Am I free to get a car with a sunroof, or only cars with a roof rack? Why aren't women also expected to be able to drive a manual transmission? Do you believe that they're not smart enough to do so? What are the rules for gay men? Are males with disabilities not "real" men if it impacts their ability to drive a manual transmission?

You don't want to be the guy who says "oh, is it automatic? Because I won't drive that".

/I'm not trolling, but perhaps you are.


Holy shiat did you put a lot of words into my mouth. Women? Gay men? What the fark are you talking about?

It's not a matter of 'Oh, this is what I only drive, neh neh neh". It's a matter of being able to operate any car if you're in a situation where it needs to be done. Going fishing and need to back the truck up to hitch the boat? Can't do that. Girlfriend' father asks you to move his car for him? Can't do that. Driver has a heart attack and you need to get to the hospital? Can't do that.

My last girlfriend was a master on the manual, and I have 2 close gay friends who are as well.

It's not bravado, it's about having a skill that may need to be called upon. Jackass.
 
2012-07-20 01:29:44 PM
My second car was a stick with no power steering. My arms got pretty strong after a while. I loved feeling so in-tune with my car. Driving a stick is pure enjoyment.

However, now that I'm in San Francisco living on one of the steepest hills in the city, I'm happy with an automatic.

As for learning how, the way I was taught was very effective: My brother parked me on a small hill, put me in the driver's seat, then told me to get us home. In the years that followed, I probably only stalled out once or twice. It really did "click" as others above have said.
 
2012-07-20 01:46:39 PM

literaldeluxe: kiwimoogle84: Do you believe everyone should know how to change a tire?

You may never need to use the skill, but if you find yourself in a pickle, it's good to know how.

That's all most of us are really saying. It's not a hobby, it's a life skill, like knowing how to use a washing machine or changing a tire.

No, I don't. We live in a world with cell phones and tow trucks. For the majority of the US population, there is no need to learn how to change a tire; you just pull out you cell phone, call AAA, and wait a few minutes. People who live or drive in rural areas and other places without reliable cell phone coverage or tow truck service are the exception, not the rule. Times have changed, and the list of necessary/useful skills has changed.


...wooooowwww.

Do you have any idea how ignorant and selfish you sound? I remember my sister calling me two years ago because our stepdad was out of state and she had a flat tire and my mom didn't know how to change a tire and neither did she. She had a cell phone but not full coverage insurance, and no spare cash for a towtruck. Her car had a FULL size spare (as does my own). I drove an hour to go save her. Right then and there, I taught her how to use a jack, take out the bolts, put the new ones on, tighten in a star pattern, and be on her way.

Last month she had another flat, and fixed it herself. She called me later and thanked me for saving her thirty bucks and not making her late to work.

EVERYONE should know how to change a tire, because someday you might see a tiny old lady with a flat on the side of the road and you might be able to help her out, but no, I guess it just won't be your problem. And that's what 's wrong with this world. No personal responsibility.
 
2012-07-20 01:48:53 PM

literaldeluxe: kiwimoogle84: Do you believe everyone should know how to change a tire?

You may never need to use the skill, but if you find yourself in a pickle, it's good to know how.

That's all most of us are really saying. It's not a hobby, it's a life skill, like knowing how to use a washing machine or changing a tire.

No, I don't. We live in a world with cell phones and tow trucks. For the majority of the US population, there is no need to learn how to change a tire; you just pull out you cell phone, call AAA, and wait a few minutes. People who live or drive in rural areas and other places without reliable cell phone coverage or tow truck service are the exception, not the rule. Times have changed, and the list of necessary/useful skills has changed.


OK, so what happens when you've blown a tire and you're in an area that has no cell phone coverage and it's 10 miles to the nearest pay phone?
 
2012-07-20 01:50:41 PM

D-Liver: literaldeluxe: D-Liver: If you are a self respecting man, you should know how to drive stick.

You don't want to be the guy who says "oh, is it stick? Because I can't drive that".

Why? I've never understood that argument. What exactly am I supposed to be afraid of? Is it presumed that my friends are uneducated and intolerant, and that I'm insecure enough that I need them to tell me I'm a man? How exactly does my preference in automobile transmissions impact my ability to live my life? Is there a list of all the features I should and should not have in my car? Am I free to get a car with a sunroof, or only cars with a roof rack? Why aren't women also expected to be able to drive a manual transmission? Do you believe that they're not smart enough to do so? What are the rules for gay men? Are males with disabilities not "real" men if it impacts their ability to drive a manual transmission?

You don't want to be the guy who says "oh, is it automatic? Because I won't drive that".

/I'm not trolling, but perhaps you are.

Holy shiat did you put a lot of words into my mouth. Women? Gay men? What the fark are you talking about?

It's not a matter of 'Oh, this is what I only drive, neh neh neh". It's a matter of being able to operate any car if you're in a situation where it needs to be done. Going fishing and need to back the truck up to hitch the boat? Can't do that. Girlfriend' father asks you to move his car for him? Can't do that. Driver has a heart attack and you need to get to the hospital? Can't do that.

My last girlfriend was a master on the manual, and I have 2 close gay friends who are as well.

It's not bravado, it's about having a skill that may need to be called upon. Jackass.


Your original comment was: "If you are a self respecting man, you should know how to drive stick." The phrase "self respecting man" is used almost exclusively to contrast "manly men" with women and "girlie men." Using it will almost always get you labeled as a misogynist.
 
2012-07-20 01:55:09 PM
Learning stick makes you a better driver. It means you have to pay attention to what you are doing. Automatic allows you to put on cruise control, park in the left lane and do a sudoku puzzle while your brats watch sponge bob in the back. Everyone I know who knows stick is a WAAY better driver than those who don't.

The first car I bought was a stick, and I didn't know how to drive it. My husband (boyfriend at the time) had to drive it home for me. But it took me about 2 days to learn.
 
2012-07-20 01:59:52 PM

kiwimoogle84: literaldeluxe: kiwimoogle84: Do you believe everyone should know how to change a tire?

You may never need to use the skill, but if you find yourself in a pickle, it's good to know how.

That's all most of us are really saying. It's not a hobby, it's a life skill, like knowing how to use a washing machine or changing a tire.

No, I don't. We live in a world with cell phones and tow trucks. For the majority of the US population, there is no need to learn how to change a tire; you just pull out you cell phone, call AAA, and wait a few minutes. People who live or drive in rural areas and other places without reliable cell phone coverage or tow truck service are the exception, not the rule. Times have changed, and the list of necessary/useful skills has changed.

...wooooowwww.

Do you have any idea how ignorant and selfish you sound? I remember my sister calling me two years ago because our stepdad was out of state and she had a flat tire and my mom didn't know how to change a tire and neither did she. She had a cell phone but not full coverage insurance, and no spare cash for a towtruck. Her car had a FULL size spare (as does my own). I drove an hour to go save her. Right then and there, I taught her how to use a jack, take out the bolts, put the new ones on, tighten in a star pattern, and be on her way.

Last month she had another flat, and fixed it herself. She called me later and thanked me for saving her thirty bucks and not making her late to work.

EVERYONE should know how to change a tire, because someday you might see a tiny old lady with a flat on the side of the road and you might be able to help her out, but no, I guess it just won't be your problem. And that's what 's wrong with this world. No personal responsibility.


No, it wouldn't be my problem, but if I made it mine, I would call and pay for a tow truck (who can change the tire for her). I'm absolutely fortunate in that I can afford to do that, but you have no right to claim that my assistance is less valid or selfless than yours. At the very least, you're making the assumption that I am physically capable of rendering such aid to her.
 
2012-07-20 02:00:43 PM

purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: Tentacle: fluffy2097:
As a manual driver, I love to coast to a complete stop at a light using only engine braking, the roll about a foot back towards the tailgating asshole behind me before ever touching the brake pedal. Stops them from tailgating right quick. So does using engine braking. If they cant tell when you're decelerating because you don't use the brakes, they get very uncomfortable tailgating.


Not to mention that brake pads last longer

When I took my drivers test the evaluator dinged me for coasting in neutral and not staying in a gear the whole time. Even at a light you are apparently supposed to sit there in gear with the clutch in.
I said "You know brakes are a lot cheaper than a clutch right? Is it going to keep me from getting my license? She said no, so... hell no I'm not going sit at the light with my clutch in the whole time.


You sound like an hypermiler
 
2012-07-20 02:02:37 PM

literaldeluxe: kiwimoogle84: literaldeluxe: kiwimoogle84: Do you believe everyone should know how to change a tire?

You may never need to use the skill, but if you find yourself in a pickle, it's good to know how.

That's all most of us are really saying. It's not a hobby, it's a life skill, like knowing how to use a washing machine or changing a tire.

No, I don't. We live in a world with cell phones and tow trucks. For the majority of the US population, there is no need to learn how to change a tire; you just pull out you cell phone, call AAA, and wait a few minutes. People who live or drive in rural areas and other places without reliable cell phone coverage or tow truck service are the exception, not the rule. Times have changed, and the list of necessary/useful skills has changed.

...wooooowwww.

Do you have any idea how ignorant and selfish you sound? I remember my sister calling me two years ago because our stepdad was out of state and she had a flat tire and my mom didn't know how to change a tire and neither did she. She had a cell phone but not full coverage insurance, and no spare cash for a towtruck. Her car had a FULL size spare (as does my own). I drove an hour to go save her. Right then and there, I taught her how to use a jack, take out the bolts, put the new ones on, tighten in a star pattern, and be on her way.

Last month she had another flat, and fixed it herself. She called me later and thanked me for saving her thirty bucks and not making her late to work.

EVERYONE should know how to change a tire, because someday you might see a tiny old lady with a flat on the side of the road and you might be able to help her out, but no, I guess it just won't be your problem. And that's what 's wrong with this world. No personal responsibility.

No, it wouldn't be my problem, but if I made it mine, I would call and pay for a tow truck (who can change the tire for her). I'm absolutely fortunate in that I can afford to do that, but you have no right to claim that my assi ...


you sound useless in practical matters
 
2012-07-20 02:04:15 PM

Trance750: OK, so what happens when you've blown a tire and you're in an area that has no cell phone coverage and it's 10 miles to the nearest pay phone?


Flag down another car, read the car's manual and figure out how to do it, or start walking. Pretty much the same things I'd have to do with most other car problems in that situation.
 
2012-07-20 02:12:43 PM

Tentacle: You sound like an hypermiler


18 MPG baby.
 
2012-07-20 02:13:09 PM

392Zaphod: One argument that I will say for the Automatic OVER the Manual? I can play with my wife while she is in the passenger seat if I have an Automatic! :P


www.don.smith.net
 
2012-07-20 02:13:18 PM

Girion47: you sound useless in practical matters


By your definition, yes, I am, and I'm comfortable with that. I'm sure that you're equally useless in most of the situations that I encounter daily, but I don't hold that against you. People have different strengths and weaknesses, and it's far better to live in a world where our abilities are complementary to the people around us, and not redundant.

Also note that some people have physical disabilities, so your expectations may not be relevant.
 
2012-07-20 02:18:04 PM

Inflatable Rhetoric: fluffy2097: Zizzowop: Downshifting can really prolong your brakes.

Brakes are cheaper then a clutch.

That said, I've got 60k miles on my brakes and clutch and neither are due for a change yet.

If you do it right, there's zero clutch wear.


Hills!
 
2012-07-20 02:28:17 PM

StoPPeRmobile: 392Zaphod: One argument that I will say for the Automatic OVER the Manual? I can play with my wife while she is in the passenger seat if I have an Automatic! :P

[www.don.smith.net image 500x410]


Awesome! And that front seat has PLENTY of room! ;)
 
2012-07-20 02:32:14 PM
Ah yes, this is the thread where people come out of the woodwork who attempt to justify laziness and ignorance as a virtue. Got it.
 
2012-07-20 02:44:07 PM

literaldeluxe: kiwimoogle84: literaldeluxe: kiwimoogle84: Do you believe everyone should know how to change a tire?

You may never need to use the skill, but if you find yourself in a pickle, it's good to know how.

That's all most of us are really saying. It's not a hobby, it's a life skill, like knowing how to use a washing machine or changing a tire.

No, I don't. We live in a world with cell phones and tow trucks. For the majority of the US population, there is no need to learn how to change a tire; you just pull out you cell phone, call AAA, and wait a few minutes. People who live or drive in rural areas and other places without reliable cell phone coverage or tow truck service are the exception, not the rule. Times have changed, and the list of necessary/useful skills has changed.

...wooooowwww.

Do you have any idea how ignorant and selfish you sound? I remember my sister calling me two years ago because our stepdad was out of state and she had a flat tire and my mom didn't know how to change a tire and neither did she. She had a cell phone but not full coverage insurance, and no spare cash for a towtruck. Her car had a FULL size spare (as does my own). I drove an hour to go save her. Right then and there, I taught her how to use a jack, take out the bolts, put the new ones on, tighten in a star pattern, and be on her way.

Last month she had another flat, and fixed it herself. She called me later and thanked me for saving her thirty bucks and not making her late to work.

EVERYONE should know how to change a tire, because someday you might see a tiny old lady with a flat on the side of the road and you might be able to help her out, but no, I guess it just won't be your problem. And that's what 's wrong with this world. No personal responsibility.

No, it wouldn't be my problem, but if I made it mine, I would call and pay for a tow truck (who can change the tire for her). I'm absolutely fortunate in that I can afford to do that, but you have no right to claim that my assi ...


I will always assume a person is physically capable until told otherwise- so my apologies on that front. However, I still think anyone who is driving a car should be prepared for basic circumstances that may arise- including having jumper cables and spare water/oil in the trunk.
 
2012-07-20 02:51:05 PM

kiwimoogle84: EVERYONE should know how to change a tire, because someday you might see a tiny old lady smoking hot college girl with a flat on the side of the road and you might be able to help her out


Fixed this for me.
 
2012-07-20 02:54:40 PM

neilbradley: Ah yes, this is the thread where people come out of the woodwork who attempt to justify laziness and ignorance as a virtue. Got it.


Yup and actively seeking to expand your abilities makes you a Luddite.
 
2012-07-20 03:04:03 PM
As a cyclist who has to dodge asshole motorists daily, I can say from experience very few people know how to drive a manual or an automatic, yet they do it anyway.
 
2012-07-20 03:06:35 PM

kiwimoogle84: However, I still think anyone who is driving a car should be prepared for basic circumstances that may arise- including having jumper cables and spare water/oil in the trunk.


I would argue that subscribing to a service like AAA can be seen as making appropriate preparations to deal with such circumstances, depending on where you live, where you tend to drive, and what kind of car you drive (some cars are more problem-prone than others, and some are more easily fixed).

/I have jumper cables in my car, but I still call AAA when I need a jump; that's what I pay them for.
 
2012-07-20 03:08:41 PM

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: As a cyclist who has to dodge asshole motorists daily, I can say from experience very few people know how to drive a manual or an automatic, yet they do it anyway.


Quit cycling on the sidewalks and won't have a problem!
 
2012-07-20 03:10:09 PM

fluffy2097: neilbradley: Ah yes, this is the thread where people come out of the woodwork who attempt to justify laziness and ignorance as a virtue. Got it.

Yup and actively seeking to expand your abilities makes you a Luddite.


People don't like feeling dumb. If you can do something that they can't they see it as you calling them dumb and as a challenge to their sense of worth. So they attack those who are more able than themselves.

See - The South. "We need to stand up to these... experts!"

/It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. - Voltaire
 
2012-07-20 03:24:27 PM
Semi relevant story.

I inherited this car (well one exactly like the picture) from my dad when he passed away last year. Guy spent 50 years on the line at Chrysler and bought it as a gift to himself, sadly didn't get to use it much.

images.forbes.com

Anywho, I took it out a weekend or so back and went to valet it - the valet said "Is that a stick?" (Really?) and then when I said yes, he said "I can't drive a stick - you're going to have to park it".

I don't know if most folks should know how to drive a stick, but if your job involves parking cars, I'm gonna say you might want to pick up the skill.
 
2012-07-20 03:32:46 PM
I went out of my way to get a stick shift when I bought my current car. Took some getting used to since I hadn't driven stick in nearly a decade, but re teaching myself was easy enough.
It may not be a relevant skill anymore, but it should be a required one nonetheless.

/female
//I think the salesman was a bit shocked when I requested a manual.
 
2012-07-20 03:33:14 PM

KrispyKritter: violentsalvation: I learned on a '71 Jeepster Commando. I also learned how to use the other PITA stick, and lock and unlock the hubs with a rock. I still have the Jeep.

i had a 68 Commando, short metal top, w/ Buick V6. what a monster that was. custom headers into glass packs. it sounded like a 1/2 doz. Harleys starting at one time.



Mine is the same but quieter exhaust.
 
2012-07-20 03:37:02 PM

URAPNIS: The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: As a cyclist who has to dodge asshole motorists daily, I can say from experience very few people know how to drive a manual or an automatic, yet they do it anyway.

Quit cycling on the sidewalks and won't have a problem!


Good one, Bro! I NEVER ride on the sidewalk. SideWALKS are for WALKING.
 
2012-07-20 03:37:27 PM

popfreak: Semi relevant story.

I inherited this car (well one exactly like the picture) from my dad when he passed away last year. Guy spent 50 years on the line at Chrysler and bought it as a gift to himself, sadly didn't get to use it much.

[images.forbes.com image 420x257]

Anywho, I took it out a weekend or so back and went to valet it - the valet said "Is that a stick?" (Really?) and then when I said yes, he said "I can't drive a stick - you're going to have to park it".

I don't know if most folks should know how to drive a stick, but if your job involves parking cars, I'm gonna say you might want to pick up the skill.


"Why don't you get your manager out here to park it then?"
 
2012-07-20 03:37:44 PM

popfreak: Semi relevant story.

I inherited this car (well one exactly like the picture) from my dad when he passed away last year. Guy spent 50 years on the line at Chrysler and bought it as a gift to himself, sadly didn't get to use it much.

[images.forbes.com image 420x257]

Anywho, I took it out a weekend or so back and went to valet it - the valet said "Is that a stick?" (Really?) and then when I said yes, he said "I can't drive a stick - you're going to have to park it".

I don't know if most folks should know how to drive a stick, but if your job involves parking cars, I'm gonna say you might want to pick up the skill.


THIS.

And, uh, can I borrow it?

/please?
//I has a cute, if that helps.
 
2012-07-20 03:44:54 PM

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: As a cyclist who has to dodge asshole motorists daily, I can say from experience very few people know how to drive a manual or an automatic, yet they do it anyway.


I bet you're one of those old people that uses a bike with gears, why don't you join the modern era and get a fixie you luddite?
 
2012-07-20 04:08:09 PM

Chimpasaurus: Learning stick makes you a better driver. It means you have to pay attention to what you are doing. Automatic allows you to put on cruise control, park in the left lane and do a sudoku puzzle while your brats watch sponge bob in the back. Everyone I know who knows stick is a WAAY better driver than those who don't.

The first car I bought was a stick, and I didn't know how to drive it. My husband (boyfriend at the time) had to drive it home for me. But it took me about 2 days to learn.


That's nice, but that's not the question.
 
2012-07-20 04:09:32 PM
I consider my manual transmission to be an augmentation of my car's security system.

I've seen quite a few of those "Carjacker/thief fail because they didn't know how to drive a stick" headlines on Fark.
 
2012-07-20 04:15:53 PM
I owned a manual car for about a month before I gave my brother exclusive use of it. It's not difficult, it's just such a hassle in the traffic I normally drive in. Also, I have short, squat legs, so it's annoying to have my leg up in position for the clutch pedal all the time.
 
2012-07-20 05:11:00 PM

popfreak: Semi relevant story.

I inherited this car (well one exactly like the picture) from my dad when he passed away last year. Guy spent 50 years on the line at Chrysler and bought it as a gift to himself, sadly didn't get to use it much.

[images.forbes.com image 420x257]

Anywho, I took it out a weekend or so back and went to valet it - the valet said "Is that a stick?" (Really?) and then when I said yes, he said "I can't drive a stick - you're going to have to park it".



I don't know if most folks should know how to drive a stick, but if your job involves parking cars, I'm gonna say you might want to pick up the skill.


Dang, but that's pretty.

Sorry about your dad, but he might have smacked you for letting a valet within 50 feet of that car!
 
2012-07-20 05:47:06 PM

neilbradley: Ah yes, this is the thread where people come out of the woodwork who attempt to justify laziness and ignorance as a virtue. Got it.


This is just a warm up for the thread we'll have 20 years from now when "self driving" cars are all the rage. "Why should I learn to operate a vehicle when the computer does it all for me?"
 
2012-07-20 06:19:17 PM
All of our cars are stick. Daughter freaked out the DMV tester by driving a stick.

Yes, I can change a tire. Had a 67 Spitfire and worked on that all the time. Did not like having guys trying to make out like I was ignorant, and then have them looking for lugs on knock-off wire wheels, or trying to put the scissors jack under the front or back bumper. Or feeling under the front of the hood for the latch.

We also took advantages. We had car inspections. OK. The state specified what had to work, the state did not specify how. Since the wiring fried, we just straight wired everything to a toggle switch on the dashboard. Nothing labeled, either. Stuff did work. Nobody else even wanted to attempt driving that Spitfire.

Drove the Tacoma with a walking cast on left foot. Used clutch cancel start. Clutch grabbed half way so could shift. The doc had a fit. Told him too bad. We don't have an automatic in the family.
 
2012-07-20 07:01:07 PM
"I drive stick" must be the vehicular version of having to be at the gym in 26 minutes.
 
2012-07-20 07:14:31 PM

pkellmey: purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: When I took my drivers test the evaluator dinged me for coasting in neutral and not staying in a gear the whole time. Even at a light you are apparently supposed to sit there in gear with the clutch in.
I said "You know brakes are a lot cheaper than a clutch right? Is it going to keep me from getting my license? She said no, so... hell no I'm not going sit at the light with my clutch in the whole time.

I've had several police officers tell me it is illegal in my state because a vehicle is supposed to be in gear at stops for safety reasons. I really don't know if that is a law or if they are just spouting nonsense to be sound knowledgable. However, holding a clutch in to go to first gear anyway shouldn't overstress a clutch.

//My Honda had 150K miles on it when my mechanic asked when I last changed the clutch. I said never. He asked if I used the engine to slow down or brakes, and I said the engine. He shook his head in amazement and said the clutch looked brand new and the brakes were just on the verge of needing to be replaced, so I guess I must have been doing something right.


I got questioned for driving a (borrowed) stick properly when taking my US driving test, specifically for putting the handbrake on at traffic lights and balancing clutch and hanbrake when pulling off from a standing start. When I explained the examiner was like "oh, right, they teach you to drive properly over there". LoL.

For the curious, the correct procedure is as follows:

- At red light, handbrake on, car in neutral, no pedals
- As the light is about to turn**, clutch down and engage first
- Button in on handbrake, hold it up with your right hand (left in UK), bring clutch partly up and feel for the bite point
- When light goes green, release clutch, handbrake and feed in power all simultaneously

Doing this successfully on a steep hill with no rolling back is a pre-requisite to pass a driving test in the UK and most European countries

** having red-amber helps, but I driven manual cars in the USA for over a decade without a problem
 
2012-07-20 07:20:05 PM

drxym: Driving a manual transmission is so hard that it is the default in virtually all of the rest of the world. It's worth learning to drive a manual if for no other reason than to avoid being screwed by car rental companies.

I'd add that it's not actually harder IMO to drive a manual over an automatic. Once you learn what the engine sounds like at various conditions you automatically switch gear without thinking too hard about it.

A bigger question for me is why diesel is so unpopular in the US when its an instant way to improve mileage by 30%.

1. The US consumer market had a number of very bad diesel passenger vehicles in the late '70s and early 80's (sluggish and put out a black nasty odoured smoke.) that ruined them for the older crowd add in that they were also bad in cold weather at that time and you have a lingering distrust.

2.There simply haven't been very many marketed since in the US this makes them unfamiliar to the younger people, cars aren't cheap going with something new and unknown Diesel or familiar, gas. They choose gas.

3. In the US diesel is commonly seen as the provenience of large heavy vehicles like semi's industrial trucks and vans. This isn't associated with gas mileage, or a fun sporty vehicles.

Now back to transmission types. I can drive stick, I learned as a kid on a small truck, have driven a number of buses with it, and a couple of sporty cars. I have only owned one out of 6 vehicles and that wasn't my daily driver. Why? Mainly because in many cars after the mid 90's anything built after 2005 you aren't getting a big gas mileage boost especially if you drive sensibly in the auto. It is a pain in the ass in stop and go traffic which unfortunately I see to much of, and I have a bad tendency to not really like driving the vast majority of the time because everyday trips are mind numbingly boring.
 
2012-07-20 07:33:52 PM

Gough: Tell me again why we can't buy a vehicle like this in the states?


IIRC, most of those Euro diesel engines don't meet US diesel emissions standards.
 
2012-07-20 08:04:00 PM
Husband drove an automatic, I had a VW beetle manual. The first time I drove his I put both feet on the brake pedal. I stopped fast! Even though I've driven an automatic for almost 12 years, I have sometimes found myself reaching for the shift. Old habits die hard.
 
2012-07-20 08:11:32 PM
Um,

If you want to be able to drive anything after the Collapse Of Lies And Violence, or COLAV, the answer is unequivocally "Yes."

Drive stick, baby.

;)
 
2012-07-20 08:39:52 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: "I drive stick" must be the vehicular version of having to be at the gym in 26 minutes.


...not really, dude. It's far more old school and far less douchey. It's practical.
 
2012-07-20 09:56:12 PM
And may I just say...

Having JUST watched Batman Begins...

Batman asks commissioner Gordon if he can drive a stick.

If you don't know how, you wouldn't be able to drive the Batmobile.

If that ain't fire enough under yo' nerdy asses to learn, nothing is.

/end scene
//loves being right
 
2012-07-20 10:13:44 PM

kiwimoogle84: And may I just say...

Having JUST watched Batman Begins...

Batman asks commissioner Gordon if he can drive a stick.

If you don't know how, you wouldn't be able to drive the Batmobile.

If that ain't fire enough under yo' nerdy asses to learn, nothing is.

/end scene
//loves being right


*Batman out*

;)
 
2012-07-20 10:31:11 PM
Learned to drive on a standard and loved it. Eventually learned to drive an 18 wheeler with a 13 speed tranny which was hard but fun. Hardest was a 10 wheeler that had two shifters, one for the first 4 gears and the other to go through those gears to shift up to the next 4 gears. Think it was called a quad box. You'd end up steering with your arm passed through the steering wheel around turns at times.
 
2012-07-20 10:36:32 PM

kiwimoogle84: And may I just say...

Having JUST watched Batman Begins...

Batman asks commissioner Gordon if he can drive a stick.

If you don't know how, you wouldn't be able to drive the Batmobile.

If that ain't fire enough under yo' nerdy asses to learn, nothing is.

/end scene
//loves being right


I keep saying that "one day you'll be faced with a chance to drive a really cool car and being afraid of 3 pedals is going to keep you from driving it" but none of them will listen.

I guess none of them want to drive the Goddamn Batmobile.

"nooo stick shift is for morons. I'm gonna take the silver surfers surf board instead! shiat! I CANT SURF EITHER! OR SWIM!"
 
2012-07-20 10:40:54 PM
No one with three working legs drives a car with only two pedals.
 
2012-07-20 10:45:10 PM

fluffy2097: kiwimoogle84: And may I just say...

Having JUST watched Batman Begins...

Batman asks commissioner Gordon if he can drive a stick.

If you don't know how, you wouldn't be able to drive the Batmobile.

If that ain't fire enough under yo' nerdy asses to learn, nothing is.

/end scene
//loves being right

I keep saying that "one day you'll be faced with a chance to drive a really cool car and being afraid of 3 pedals is going to keep you from driving it" but none of them will listen.

I guess none of them want to drive the Goddamn Batmobile.

"nooo stick shift is for morons. I'm gonna take the silver surfers surf board instead! shiat! I CANT SURF EITHER! OR SWIM!"


Right?!? THE BATMOBILE IS MANUAL.

Everyone else's arguments are invalid.
 
2012-07-20 10:50:15 PM

Gyrfalcon: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I learned how to drive on a manual column shift

/with overdrive
//leavest thou my greensward

The last person I knew who could handle a three-on-the-tree was a WWII veteran.

Dost thou have a root vegetable upon thy halberd?


All of us old farts started there and drove them for years. My first floor stick was a 67 Cougar.
 
2012-07-20 10:52:16 PM

jimmyjackfunk: even funner than learning to drive a stick, driving a semi and not using the clutch like you would be accustomed to in a regular manual transmission.

/that and 13 or more gears you get to shift through to get up to speed.


Double clutching? Did that with the 58 Chevy pick up. It was the easiest way to not grind gears.
 
2012-07-20 11:04:01 PM

Onkel Buck: I learned to drive stick in 1979 Opel Ascona while stationed in Germany in 1999. Driving a manual is fun if your not stuck in heavy traffic


Depends on the traffic. I sometimes get stuck in traffic on the freeway and just use the lower gears to maintain a steady speed rather than starting and stopping. In the city is it is much different but I don't mind. I have no problems starting on steep hills and have never rolled back and hit anyone.

But then I have been driving stick most of my life.
 
2012-07-20 11:07:17 PM

ReapTheChaos: The hardest part is learning how to slowly let out the clutch from a full stop, but it should only take you 5 or 6 tries to get the hang of that.


I taught my daughter how to drive a stick. After she played with it for a bit she got it pretty fast. Then I showed her how I could get it going without touching the gas pedal. She was impressed with that. She now owns a stick.
 
2012-07-20 11:09:40 PM

Badfysh: Try holding the car stationary on an incline using only the clutch and accelerator for practice.


Bad bad idea. That is how you learn what a burning clutch smells like. Once they burn they glaze. Bye bye clutch.
 
2012-07-21 12:54:35 AM
Woman driver here, and it's all stick shift all the time for me. I know of exactly 3 other women who can drive a manual transmission car: My mother, and TFettes Kasira and Zarkin Frood.

Last year I attended the Charlotte, NC Fark party along with the above mentioned TFettes, among many awesome others. Zarkin Frood picked Kasira and I up from the airport, in a manual shift transmission car mind you, and the three of us hit the town, ultimately landing at The Flying Saucer Pub. I felt like I was in rare and wonderful company that night... Chicks who can drive a stick are hot.

I consider it a mandatory skill, personally.

/for navigation purposes, not for hotness
 
2012-07-21 02:06:45 AM

fluffy2097: I keep saying that "one day you'll be faced with a chance to drive a really cool car and being afraid of 3 pedals is going to keep you from driving it" but none of them will listen.


It's because nobody but a de-evolved Pavlovian trogdolyte would get upset if they couldn't drive a car.

(Never minding the fact that having a manual in the 21st century automatically disqualifies a car from being cool.)
 
2012-07-21 03:38:55 AM

392Zaphod: You can eat and shift. You can use your phone and shift. You can get into just as many accidents and shift. Hell, just look at the comments above, people say they are shifting without even noticing.


That is what you do when you drive one for many years. It becomes a natural reflex. I don't notice it; I just do it. It is what it is.


All I see in this thread is people yelling at clouds at how in the good old days they had to learn.. this new fangled technology is just dumb! TV will make people dumb! Computers will make people obsolete and lazy! You are all going to die without onions on your belts.

I have YET to see ONE argument as to WHY manuals are better. I know how to drive both, but would rather enjoy my autostick. The only real answer is that Manuals are cheaper than Automatics.


I can't say why it is better because it probably isn't. I have only owned one auto in my life (and I have onions on my belt and get off my lawn, etc.) There is no real reason for it except for the sports cars I have owned they were more fun to drive and in the 4WD truck I now own I find I have the control I need off road by choosing my gearing.

Each to his or her own but it is not a bad skill to have. One of these days it may be needed. If you don't want to learn a simple skill such as this then woe be to you if you ever need it.

I am glad to know the friends I off road with can get me out if I break my leg on a hike or some such accident.
 
2012-07-21 03:46:11 AM
The bottom line here, folks, is it is a good skill to have and not hard to learn.
 
2012-07-21 03:55:42 AM

verbaltoxin: That's because I don't have to know that crap because my car has an automatic. I can spend more time paying attention to the road.


Those of us with a stick don't pay any less attention to the road. Once you do it for some time you don't really notice the shifting. It becomes reflex. If you have never driven one then you may not understand how this works.

I doubt stickers are in any more accidents than autos.
 
2012-07-21 04:18:18 AM

fluffy2097: don't like to coast in neutral, but I most certainly don't sit around at lights with my foot on the clutch. That's just a waste of friction material.


Why is this a waste of friction material? The clutch is disengaged and you are on the throwout bearing.

Now some would say this is bad and you should be in neutral at a light but the bearing always seems to outlast the clutch and supposedly you're are ready to run if you see someone coming up fast in the rear view.

I am never in neutral. Habit, I guess.
 
2012-07-21 04:32:18 AM

Prattle Assassin: As for that law, if you were idling in neutral with your foot on the brake and got rear-ended, you might be pushed further into traffic than otherwise. Admittedly it's a pain to keep the clutch pressed in for several minutes behind a slow intersection. If I'm boxed in, I break that law.


Why would it matter? If you are in neutral and not in gear a fully disengaged clutch would make no difference at all. The way I hear it is you can try to get out of the way of a rear ender faster if you see it coming and are in front. Otherwise it makes no difference at all.
 
2012-07-21 04:37:15 AM

fluffy2097: Give me one and the manual. I'll take you out for lunch with it in an hour or so.


I'll do it without the manual. In ten minutes.

/have driven so many different vehicles I lost count
//never drove a train though. that would be cool
 
2012-07-21 04:50:42 AM

Chimpasaurus: Learning stick makes you a better driver. It means you have to pay attention to what you are doing. Automatic allows you to put on cruise control, park in the left lane and do a sudoku puzzle while your brats watch sponge bob in the back. Everyone I know who knows stick is a WAAY better driver than those who don't.


Uh, once you are up to speed in the left lane you don't need to shift anymore. You can put it in cruise control and it is no different than an automatic.

Just sayin'

A stick will not make you a better driver. I don't know why people keep saying this. It is just an alternative way of shifting. It does not make you "one" with the car. It does give you a bit more control of when to shift but that is about it.
 
2012-07-21 04:52:34 AM

Chimpasaurus: The first car I bought was a stick, and I didn't know how to drive it. My husband (boyfriend at the time) had to drive it home for me. But it took me about 2 days to learn.


My daughter learned in about an hour.
 
2012-07-21 04:56:21 AM

MoronLessOff: kiwimoogle84: EVERYONE should know how to change a tire, because someday you might see a tiny old lady smoking hot college girl with a flat on the side of the road and you might be able to help her out

Fixed this for me.


Watch out for her boyfriend with the tire iron hiding behind the car.

/it happens
 
2012-07-21 07:14:34 AM

aerojockey: It's because nobody but a de-evolved Pavlovian trogdolyte would get upset if they couldn't drive a car.

(Never minding the fact that having a manual in the 21st century automatically disqualifies a car from being cool.)


Or someone being chased by a rapist. Or mugger, or Verbaltoxin.

A man with your hat and college, has no right to talk about cool. (I put on my wizard hat and Virginia Tech farm robe)
 
2012-07-21 08:27:34 AM

saturn badger: and not hard to learn


"Not hard to learn" in the direct learning sense? Presumably not... most drivers on Earth can. "Not hard to learn" in the sense of "asking everyone I've known with a manual car for the last 18 years, and still haven't touched a clutch pedal"? It's actually surprisingly hard to learn in 21st-century US/Canada.
 
2012-07-21 08:29:09 AM

territ: Woman driver here, and it's all stick shift all the time for me. I know of exactly 3 other women who can drive a manual transmission car: My mother, and TFettes Kasira and Zarkin Frood.

Last year I attended the Charlotte, NC Fark party along with the above mentioned TFettes, among many awesome others. Zarkin Frood picked Kasira and I up from the airport, in a manual shift transmission car mind you, and the three of us hit the town, ultimately landing at The Flying Saucer Pub. I felt like I was in rare and wonderful company that night... Chicks who can drive a stick are hot.

I consider it a mandatory skill, personally.

/for navigation purposes, not for hotness


*waves*
 
2012-07-21 10:00:42 AM

kiwimoogle84: And may I just say...

Having JUST watched Batman Begins...

Batman asks commissioner Gordon if he can drive a stick.

If you don't know how, you wouldn't be able to drive the Batmobile.

If that ain't fire enough under yo' nerdy asses to learn, nothing is.

/end scene
//loves being right


Kiwi wins the thread!
 
2012-07-21 01:15:22 PM

saturn badger: h, once you are up to speed in the left lane you don't need to shift anymore.

You can put it in cruise control and it is no different than an automatic.

You don't ususally need to shift, but you need to be aware of your surroundings in case you do need to shift. I almost never use cruise control--that seems like a recipe for zoning out while the car "drives itself."

saturn badger: My daughter learned in about an hour.


I misspoke. I learned the fundamentals in an hour, but I wasn't brave enough to drive 50 miles to work by myself until after 2 days of practicing.
 
2012-07-21 03:25:20 PM

djkutch: I have a stick. I'm over it. I can't talk on the phone or shave.


You cant? I can drive a stick while texting. I just cant text and eat while I am driving like I can in an auto.
 
2012-07-21 03:29:23 PM
Probably not, but hand of your man card if I you cant. And if you are a woman its ok. Men need a way to keep the wife from driving our cars.
 
2012-07-21 03:33:38 PM

star_owl: it would have been the 'E' class 4 cylinder diesel with the 6 speed manual that they sell Everywhere Else In The Farking World But The U.S.!


Blame environmentalists and big oil. Those puppies get about 50-60 mpg if you treat them right. Emissions apparently are bad.
 
2012-07-21 05:15:30 PM

Aikidogamer: Blame environmentalists


Yes, how dare those people want to not fark up our planet and home with pollution. Air pollution be damned, we want gas mileage! If everywhere looked like California did 40 years ago it would be fine as long as we all got 50 mpg.

/Some people.
 
2012-07-21 05:30:36 PM

Aikidogamer: You cant? I can drive a stick while texting. I just cant text and eat while I am driving like I can in an auto.


I find I have to put the soda down occasionally when driving stick. The phone can be held in either hand and just hung onto during the gearshifts. A large Cola is harder to do that with. I don't eat burgers, but I assume they pose even more problems due to their desire to drip.
 
2012-07-21 05:35:14 PM

fluffy2097: Aikidogamer: You cant? I can drive a stick while texting. I just cant text and eat while I am driving like I can in an auto.

I find I have to put the soda down occasionally when driving stick. The phone can be held in either hand and just hung onto during the gearshifts. A large Cola is harder to do that with. I don't eat burgers, but I assume they pose even more problems due to their desire to drip.


Keep the veggies off of it and your cool. Meat and cheese do nit usually drip. And a little ketchup goes along way.
 
2012-07-21 05:39:09 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: Aikidogamer: Blame environmentalists

Yes, how dare those people want to not fark up our planet and home with pollution. Air pollution be damned, we want gas mileage! If everywhere looked like California did 40 years ago it would be fine as long as we all got 50 mpg.

/Some people.


I am just saying, Europe can take those cars no problem why does the us have to be special. I question the effectiveness of the controls that's all. Besides a modern deisel =\= 1970s car in emissions.
 
2012-07-21 07:55:54 PM

Aikidogamer: I am just saying, Europe can take those cars no problem why does the us have to be special. I question the effectiveness of the controls that's all. Besides a modern deisel =\= 1970s car in emissions.


Fair enough. But I wonder why you think we should have to lessen our standards. Why not strive to be the best that we can? Why look to someone else who allows for more pollution and wish to lower ourselves to those standards? I don't understand your point about the 70's car and today's cars. Obviously the cars of the 70's would not meet the emission standards to today. But there are diesels today that do. It is possible to have diesel engines that meet US standards. What is your point?

Automakers will have to redesign their engines a bit. That's on them. It's no different than if their cars lacked seat belts. Want to sell in a certain market? Need to play by that market's rules.

And besides all of that, the automakers will have to convince people to buy more expensive diesel engines that run on a fuel that's often more expensive. They'll also have to break the stigma of diesels in the US. Both the redesigning to sell here and marketing costs to convince people that it's a good idea to buy it are squarely on the automakers. They don't want to spend the money or take the risk.

But someone needs to. Look at Toyota. They found a way to make hybrid cars, through R&D and marketing, stylish and accepted. Someone needs to be the Toyota of diesels in the US.

Earlier than that Honda walked in and biatch slapped the market that was held by Harley. They took a chance, broke the stigma, and turned the market around. They changed the image of the motorcycle lifestyle by taking the risk and spending the money.

It's happened before, it just happened recently, and it can happen again. Blame the lazy and cheap automakers, not the people who want you to have clean air to breath.
 
2012-07-21 09:48:05 PM
Z06 Corvettes (last I checked) are only produced with manual transmissions.

That alone should be reason to learn.....
 
2012-07-22 02:28:54 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: Aikidogamer: I am just saying, Europe can take those cars no problem why does the us have to be special. I question the effectiveness of the controls that's all. Besides a modern deisel =\= 1970s car in emissions.

Fair enough. But I wonder why you think we should have to lessen our standards. Why not strive to be the best that we can? Why look to someone else who allows for more pollution and wish to lower ourselves to those standards? I don't understand your point about the 70's car and today's cars. Obviously the cars of the 70's would not meet the emission standards to today. But there are diesels today that do. It is possible to have diesel engines that meet US standards. What is your point?

Automakers will have to redesign their engines a bit. That's on them. It's no different than if their cars lacked seat belts. Want to sell in a certain market? Need to play by that market's rules.

And besides all of that, the automakers will have to convince people to buy more expensive diesel engines that run on a fuel that's often more expensive. They'll also have to break the stigma of diesels in the US. Both the redesigning to sell here and marketing costs to convince people that it's a good idea to buy it are squarely on the automakers. They don't want to spend the money or take the risk.

But someone needs to. Look at Toyota. They found a way to make hybrid cars, through R&D and marketing, stylish and accepted. Someone needs to be the Toyota of diesels in the US.

Earlier than that Honda walked in and biatch slapped the market that was held by Harley. They took a chance, broke the stigma, and turned the market around. They changed the image of the motorcycle lifestyle by taking the risk and spending the money.

It's happened before, it just happened recently, and it can happen again. Blame the lazy and cheap automakers, not the people who want you to have clean air to breath.


fark you, toyotas are never stylish
 
2012-07-22 03:19:27 PM

blackz06vette: Z06 Corvettes (last I checked) are only produced with manual transmissions.

That alone should be reason to learn.....


Darn, now I won't be able to drive a car with 3 times more power than I need, an absurd top speed I'll never get to see, and that's really uncomfortable to drive on a regular road. I guess I'll just have to live with driving something cheaper and more enjoyable...oh the sacrifices we make.
 
2012-07-22 04:35:10 PM

blackz06vette: Z06 Corvettes (last I checked) are only produced with manual transmissions.

That alone should be reason to learn.....


Unfortunately, no, they are produced with flappy paddle gearboxes on some models. Thankfully, mine's a stick. Wouldn't have it any other way.
 
2012-07-22 04:36:25 PM

Virtuoso80: blackz06vette: Z06 Corvettes (last I checked) are only produced with manual transmissions.

That alone should be reason to learn.....

Darn, now I won't be able to drive a car with 3 times more power than I need, an absurd top speed I'll never get to see, and that's really uncomfortable to drive on a regular road. I guess I'll just have to live with driving something cheaper and more enjoyable...oh the sacrifices we make.


Why would you buy a Z06 for a daily driver? It's awful for that. However, it's great for this:

PIR 2008 Z06
 
2012-07-22 08:01:13 PM

neilbradley: Virtuoso80: blackz06vette: Z06 Corvettes (last I checked) are only produced with manual transmissions.

That alone should be reason to learn.....

Darn, now I won't be able to drive a car with 3 times more power than I need, an absurd top speed I'll never get to see, and that's really uncomfortable to drive on a regular road. I guess I'll just have to live with driving something cheaper and more enjoyable...oh the sacrifices we make.

Why would you buy a Z06 for a daily driver? It's awful for that. However, it's great for this:

PIR 2008 Z06


Yeah, those places don't exist anywhere near me I don't think. Just curved roads and tons of traffic on Long Island. I do have a question though: It seems like enthusiasts prefer the Z06 to the ZR1, any reason why? Is the Z06 more modifiable because it's simpler and naturally aspirated? Just more of a bargain, or what?
 
2012-07-22 10:06:38 PM

Virtuoso80: neilbradley: Virtuoso80: blackz06vette: Z06 Corvettes (last I checked) are only produced with manual transmissions.

That alone should be reason to learn.....

Darn, now I won't be able to drive a car with 3 times more power than I need, an absurd top speed I'll never get to see, and that's really uncomfortable to drive on a regular road. I guess I'll just have to live with driving something cheaper and more enjoyable...oh the sacrifices we make.

Why would you buy a Z06 for a daily driver? It's awful for that. However, it's great for this:

PIR 2008 Z06

Yeah, those places don't exist anywhere near me I don't think. Just curved roads and tons of traffic on Long Island. I do have a question though: It seems like enthusiasts prefer the Z06 to the ZR1, any reason why? Is the Z06 more modifiable because it's simpler and naturally aspirated? Just more of a bargain, or what?


I can tell you why I didn't buy a ZR1 for another $45K:

1) Only an additional 133HP
2) Less torque
3) Supercharged

Yes, you get the 20" wheels instead of the 18/19" that's on the Z06, but for about $13K, I can put a supercharger on the Z06 and have ~700HP, and add a ceramic brake set (about $13K), so for about $19K less, I can have a more powerful car with better brakes (and is lighter by ~200 pounds).
 
2012-07-23 12:32:05 AM

Virtuoso80: neilbradley: Virtuoso80: blackz06vette: Z06 Corvettes (last I checked) are only produced with manual transmissions.

That alone should be reason to learn.....

Darn, now I won't be able to drive a car with 3 times more power than I need, an absurd top speed I'll never get to see, and that's really uncomfortable to drive on a regular road. I guess I'll just have to live with driving something cheaper and more enjoyable...oh the sacrifices we make.

Why would you buy a Z06 for a daily driver? It's awful for that. However, it's great for this:

PIR 2008 Z06

Yeah, those places don't exist anywhere near me I don't think. Just curved roads and tons of traffic on Long Island. I do have a question though: It seems like enthusiasts prefer the Z06 to the ZR1, any reason why? Is the Z06 more modifiable because it's simpler and naturally aspirated? Just more of a bargain, or what?


In my case, I purchased it as a Christmas present to myself in 2000 (2001 model year). So there were no ZR1s at the time. It is also a daily driver (more or less). It's not my only vehicle, but it takes me to work at least twice a week.

Keeping with the point of the article, all of my vehicles (motorcycles and cars) are manual.
 
2012-07-23 10:26:11 AM

saturn badger: Prattle Assassin: As for that law, if you were idling in neutral with your foot on the brake and got rear-ended, you might be pushed further into traffic than otherwise. Admittedly it's a pain to keep the clutch pressed in for several minutes behind a slow intersection. If I'm boxed in, I break that law.

Why would it matter? If you are in neutral and not in gear a fully disengaged clutch would make no difference at all. The way I hear it is you can try to get out of the way of a rear ender faster if you see it coming and are in front. Otherwise it makes no difference at all.


I shoulda explained: keeping the clutch in is when you're observing the law by having it in gear.
 
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