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2012-07-20 10:22:59 AM

Girion47:

First, I'm 28
Second, the Veyron's transmission and your shiatbox "muscle" car's transmission are far different animals.
Third, all that horsepower you claim to have is useless unless when your car's computer decides your gear is incorrect.

I love idiots like you at stop lights. Always revving at my car. I've been able to get at least 2 people pulled over for speeding because they wanted to race.


You think idiots like you get me tickets? I could car less what you do in the car next to me. I enjoy my car for me, not for some idiot next to me trying to goat me into going to fast.

The onion on your belt is your line of thinking, not necessarily your age.

You have no idea what my car is let alone what it's computer does. I can choose to be semi- or full- automatic, it's a choice. Go be a troll somewhere else please.
 
2012-07-20 10:23:37 AM
So...how would one go about learning to drive a stick if one were interested? I don't have any friends or family to teach me.
 
2012-07-20 10:23:54 AM

Buffet: How in blue blazes did the topic of steroids get into a thread about transmissions???
Anyway, I'd advise you keep your comments and opinions about it to yourself Mr. pencilneck!



Verbaltoxin, if you look at his profile page, is a tranny, and is undergoing whore moan therapy.
 
2012-07-20 10:23:57 AM
Verbal, Fluffy, let's agree to disagree. More auto cars for those who want them, more control and less repairs for those of us who prefer manual.
 
2012-07-20 10:24:27 AM

392Zaphod: Girion47:

First, I'm 28
Second, the Veyron's transmission and your shiatbox "muscle" car's transmission are far different animals.
Third, all that horsepower you claim to have is useless unless when your car's computer decides your gear is incorrect.

I love idiots like you at stop lights. Always revving at my car. I've been able to get at least 2 people pulled over for speeding because they wanted to race.

You think idiots like you get me tickets? I could car less what you do in the car next to me. I enjoy my car for me, not for some idiot next to me trying to goat me into going to fast.

The onion on your belt is your line of thinking, not necessarily your age.

You have no idea what my car is let alone what it's computer does. I can choose to be semi- or full- automatic, it's a choice. Go be a troll somewhere else please.


please enlighten me to what this magical vehicle is.
 
2012-07-20 10:25:21 AM

verbaltoxin:
Carn: verbaltoxin:
That's because I don't have to know that crap because my car has an automatic. I can spend more time paying attention to the road.


You don't have to know what crap? The speed limit? How fast you are going? How those two things compare to each other at any given time? These would be included in "paying attention to the road". You might be doing it wrong.

You didn't say "speed limit" you talked about which speed ranges accuate which gear. So no, I don't need to know that because I am not working a clutch and a stick shift.


Ah, sorry. The point was that I can regulate my speed by which gear I'm in by feel and noise (of the engine) without ever needing to look at the speedometer.
 
2012-07-20 10:25:27 AM

fluffy2097: verbaltoxin: Oh and you're the one that feels the need to go on assuming someone is a girl when they say they don't drive a stick.

Actually I'm calling you a girl because your entire aura screams "pussy". Being adamant you are better off not knowing how to drive stick is just a very small portion of the massive aura of "I'm a pussy" you give out.

/Are your fake wrestling belts supposed to make us respect you?


scrapetv.com
WHEN I WAS YOUR AGE, THE NEWSPAPERS AND RADIOS WERE SERIOUS BUSINESS! AND ONLY REAL MEN COULD USE THEM!!

(Though it is cute you're going fully internet tough guy there, fluffykins *kisses*)

Girion47: verbaltoxin: This thread:

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BACK IN MY DAY, WE BAILED HAY THEN LEARNED STICK, BOTH WAYS IN THE SNOW, AND WE LIKED IT!

You really don't understand how much more control you get over a car with stick rather than manual do you?


It's like putting someone online for the first time and they have two choices, AOL or Firefox.

With AOL you know that it's going to be easy, you can get to most sites and surf using keywords.

With Firefox, you have to know URL's now, you have the ability to block ads, popups, even Flash. You can use tabs, color those tabs, set them as default when the browser opens etc... Sure you have to learn these features, but once you do it all becomes 2nd nature that isn't even considered a mentally straining task, you do it automatically.


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I AGREE, SONNY! THE AOLS ARE KEEPING ME IN TOUCH WITH MY OLD WAR BUDDIES!
 
2012-07-20 10:25:39 AM

verbaltoxin: Joce678: I'm always gobsmacked over how smug Americans are when they can drive stick.

Everywhere else is the world it's just called "driving". Please. Your profile says you're from spain. Been there. We have an event here in america that equates to the way you folks drive. We call it the "demolition derby".



America has a very unique car culture, one which is mainly filled with Luddite idiots people stuck in traffic jams for hours on end, and don't want to lose the use of their left knee.

FTFY
.

 
2012-07-20 10:26:01 AM

Carn: verbaltoxin:
Carn: verbaltoxin:
That's because I don't have to know that crap because my car has an automatic. I can spend more time paying attention to the road.


You don't have to know what crap? The speed limit? How fast you are going? How those two things compare to each other at any given time? These would be included in "paying attention to the road". You might be doing it wrong.

You didn't say "speed limit" you talked about which speed ranges accuate which gear. So no, I don't need to know that because I am not working a clutch and a stick shift.

Ah, sorry. The point was that I can regulate my speed by which gear I'm in by feel and noise (of the engine) without ever needing to look at the speedometer.


hell in my car the speedometer is small and off to the side, the tach is the biggest dial I have.
 
2012-07-20 10:27:09 AM

MoronLessOff: So...how would one go about learning to drive a stick if one were interested? I don't have any friends or family to teach me.


Honey, I learned to drive a stick because my first car was one- I bought it from a family member and just had to drive it from Colorado to California to get it home.

Uh, surprise.

After 12 hours and several stalls, I was a pro.

Come out for GenCon, I'll teach ya :)
 
2012-07-20 10:28:20 AM

Basily Gourt: verbaltoxin: Joce678: I'm always gobsmacked over how smug Americans are when they can drive stick.

Everywhere else is the world it's just called "driving". Please. Your profile says you're from spain. Been there. We have an event here in america that equates to the way you folks drive. We call it the "demolition derby".



America has a very unique car culture, one which is mainly filled with Luddite idiots people stuck in traffic jams for hours on end, and don't want to lose the use of their left knee.

FTFY.


If you have to hold your clutch in that much in a traffic jam you don't know how to drive stick. I drove the DC Beltway everyday in a car with one of the stiffest clutches I've ever seen and never had any issues.
 
2012-07-20 10:28:59 AM

Basily Gourt: verbaltoxin: Joce678: I'm always gobsmacked over how smug Americans are when they can drive stick.

Everywhere else is the world it's just called "driving". Please. Your profile says you're from spain. Been there. We have an event here in america that equates to the way you folks drive. We call it the "demolition derby".



America has a very unique car culture, one which is mainly filled with Luddite idiots people stuck in traffic jams for hours on end, and don't want to lose the use of their left knee.

FTFY.


FYI, manuals have this great feature called "neutral". My knees are juuuust fine, and I've put 70K plus on my current stick shift car.
 
2012-07-20 10:29:02 AM
In the UK, everyone learns on a manual, but it's solely a car nerd thing nowadays in the USA.

Mrs PH is perfectly good with 3 pedals, but prefers automatics for convenience.

We have one of each - hers is a slush box, my daily driver is manual, my weekend car has a DCT ... the latter technology will replace both manuals and autos for the swan song of the internal combustion engine, as it already has in high end performance cars.

- fuel economy equal to or better than a manual
- almost the same level of control
- better performance than a manual due to faster shifts
- the convenience of an automatic when you want it
 
2012-07-20 10:29:23 AM

fluffy2097: Buffet: How in blue blazes did the topic of steroids get into a thread about transmissions???
Anyway, I'd advise you keep your comments and opinions about it to yourself Mr. pencilneck!


Verbaltoxin, if you look at his profile page, is a tranny, and is undergoing whore moan therapy.


Does that mean when I've finished post-op we can hook up?

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I JUST WANT YER LURRVES
 
2012-07-20 10:31:25 AM

verbaltoxin: (Though it is cute you're going fully internet tough guy there, fluffykins *kisses*)


A man named fluffy who's profile says "If you believe what I say you're dumber then I thought". VS. a man named "Verbaltoxin" who's profile is full of wrestling belts.

I think it's clear who's the ITG, don't you?

/troll lol lol
 
2012-07-20 10:34:01 AM
Other than a beat up old farm truck my dad gave me when I moved 14 hours away, I have always owned manuals. When my 5 spd Altima was written off a few years ago thanks to some teenage coont who was texting and driving, I got to remind myself why they are so much better. I had a rental from the insurance company and changed cars as often as I could to get a feel for what was available, and all were automatics. I learned that there is no point in getting a smaller car with a 4 cylinder engine and an automatic. There is absolutely no jam in them at all. In every single CVT car I drove, I could floor the gas and count to three before the car decided to downshift. Screw that. I went to a dealer and got a great deal on a 6 speed manual that had been sitting on the lot for a couple months.

The only weirdness I have with the 6 speed is that it has a "european" reverse, in that it is located on the far left instead of right, and you have to pull up a ring on the stick to get it to shift into reverse. I found myself unconsciously fiddling with the ring, until the day I accidentally shifted into reverse instead of first. That solved that little problem right quick.
 
2012-07-20 10:34:12 AM
All trolling aside though, yes I have heard numerous stories of how driving stick makes the driving experience more interactive, i.e. more fun for the driver.

That said it's just funny to me that it's referred to still as a "standard" when these days it's much more an option. Some cars don't even offer manual anymore. It's been relegated essentially to compacts and trucks.

Also the attitude that automatics are the same as they were in the 1980s seems to be prevalent. They're way better than back then.

Finally no, learning a stick doesn't interest me whatsoever. Again to me, it's like switching to a typewriter after using a computer for numerous years. Or sticking with vinyl records over MP3's, tube amps over solid state and digital, and so on. There's nothing wrong with the old stuff, but holding this weird reverence to it and insisting it's the "real" way to get things done is pretty ridiculous. There are many ways to skin a cat, including driving a car.

Besides in 30 years we won't even be driving the cars anymore, let's face it.
 
2012-07-20 10:34:55 AM

fluffy2097: verbaltoxin: (Though it is cute you're going fully internet tough guy there, fluffykins *kisses*)

A man named fluffy who's profile says "If you believe what I say you're dumber then I thought". VS. a man named "Verbaltoxin" who's profile is full of wrestling belts.

I think it's clear who's the ITG, don't you?

/troll lol lol


It's trolls trolling trolls at this point. Trolls all the way down as they say. Welcome to Friday mornings on Fark.
 
2012-07-20 10:35:03 AM
I love my manual. I like actually driving my car.

www.sacarfan.co.za

/GTI FTW
 
2012-07-20 10:36:54 AM

Farktastic: Other than a beat up old farm truck my dad gave me when I moved 14 hours away, I have always owned manuals. When my 5 spd Altima was written off a few years ago thanks to some teenage coont who was texting and driving, I got to remind myself why they are so much better. I had a rental from the insurance company and changed cars as often as I could to get a feel for what was available, and all were automatics. I learned that there is no point in getting a smaller car with a 4 cylinder engine and an automatic. There is absolutely no jam in them at all. In every single CVT car I drove, I could floor the gas and count to three before the car decided to downshift. Screw that. I went to a dealer and got a great deal on a 6 speed manual that had been sitting on the lot for a couple months.

The only weirdness I have with the 6 speed is that it has a "european" reverse, in that it is located on the far left instead of right, and you have to pull up a ring on the stick to get it to shift into reverse. I found myself unconsciously fiddling with the ring, until the day I accidentally shifted into reverse instead of first. That solved that little problem right quick.


My VW is the same idea- push down and into first equals reverse. I loaned a friend my car once- called me from a parking lot because my car didn't "have" reverse. I lol'd.
 
2012-07-20 10:38:45 AM
If you're an adult and can't drive a manual.... I don't know what to say. Are you retarded or something?
 
2012-07-20 10:38:51 AM
A professional driver could probably outperform a an automatic transmission, but few others could. Aren't there enough distractions while driving without have to give up an arm and a leg to switch gears?
 
2012-07-20 10:39:01 AM
Started on motorcycles when I was 12. Didn't get my first auto trans car until I was over 30. Born & raised in the NYC area.

Girion47: Basily Gourt: verbaltoxin: Joce678: I'm always gobsmacked over how smug Americans are when they can drive stick.

Everywhere else is the world it's just called "driving". Please. Your profile says you're from spain. Been there. We have an event here in america that equates to the way you folks drive. We call it the "demolition derby".



America has a very unique car culture, one which is mainly filled with Luddite idiots people stuck in traffic jams for hours on end, and don't want to lose the use of their left knee.

FTFY.

If you have to hold your clutch in that much in a traffic jam you don't know how to drive stick. I drove the DC Beltway everyday in a car with one of the stiffest clutches I've ever seen and never had any issues.


Started on motorcycles when I was 12. Didn't get my first auto trans car until I was over 30. Born & raised in the NYC area.

I know all the tricks. I once drove a beetle home without a functioning clutch. (that was fun, actually.)

I decided to go auto after spending 3 hours getting back over the GWB (from jersey back to ny) one late summer evening. 15 seconds of sitting, go 10 feet, 15 seconds of sitting, repeat for 3 hours.

I don't care how you finesse that situation, it's gonna hurt when you get home.
 
2012-07-20 10:40:23 AM

purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: If you're an adult and can't drive a manual.... I don't know what to say. Are you retarded or something?


No, just born after 1940.
 
2012-07-20 10:41:44 AM

thoughtsausage: I love my manual. I like actually driving my car.

[www.sacarfan.co.za image 448x275]

/GTI FTW


My wife's 6 speed 2.8 Jetta is SWEET!
/love that car but she won't trade me
//so much faster than mine
 
2012-07-20 10:42:04 AM
I enjoy stick shifts, as I find automatic to be boring as hell, plus standards do get, on average, better MPG
 
2012-07-20 10:42:57 AM

purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: If you're an adult and can't drive a manual.... I don't know what to say. Are you retarded or something?


No. Just literally have not had the tiniest opportunity to, despite being interested in learning.
 
2012-07-20 10:43:44 AM

hitlersbrain: purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: If you're an adult and can't drive a manual.... I don't know what to say. Are you retarded or something?

No, just born after 1940.


Whatever dude. Sounds like you are one of the retards that can't drive one I guess.
 
2012-07-20 10:44:30 AM

Lawnchair: purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: If you're an adult and can't drive a manual.... I don't know what to say. Are you retarded or something?

No. Just literally have not had the tiniest opportunity to, despite being interested in learning.


That I can understand.
 
2012-07-20 10:45:10 AM

hitlersbrain: A professional driver could probably outperform a an automatic transmission, but few others could. Aren't there enough distractions while driving without have to give up an arm and a leg to switch gears?


its called muscle memory, I'm never distracted by shifting, my body just does it.



Only comes in manual.
 
2012-07-20 10:45:25 AM
This has really rekindled my lack of interest.
 
2012-07-20 10:46:10 AM
Great to see a lot of people still like using a stick shift. I learned on a VW Bug back in college and have had nothing but stick shifts ever since. Downshifting can really prolong your brakes. It's just a better way to drive. It is funny though when I bought my last car that the dealer had to look around for one that was a manual transmission-but they're usually cheaper-bonus!
 
2012-07-20 10:46:27 AM

hitlersbrain: purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: If you're an adult and can't drive a manual.... I don't know what to say. Are you retarded or something?

No, just born after 1940.


There's that old person argument again. I don't get that- at all. It makes sense for people to know how. Maybe your grandfather who WAS born in 1940 is driving you somewhere and you have to take him to the hospital, hmmmm? Rather than being an ignorant Gen Why who probably still lives with your parents into your 30's, you could put down the Xbox controller and, I dunno, learn a skill? I spent last summer bonding with my stepdad- we built a clock in his garage shop. It was awesome.
 
2012-07-20 10:46:46 AM
dammit Fark, don't throw away my images.
i21.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-20 10:48:16 AM

Lawnchair: purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: If you're an adult and can't drive a manual.... I don't know what to say. Are you retarded or something?

No. Just literally have not had the tiniest opportunity to, despite being interested in learning.


You live anywhere near Louisville? I have an A4 I can teach you on.
 
2012-07-20 10:48:42 AM

Zizzowop: Downshifting can really prolong your brakes.


Brakes are cheaper then a clutch.

That said, I've got 60k miles on my brakes and clutch and neither are due for a change yet.
 
2012-07-20 10:51:04 AM

fluffy2097:
As a manual driver, I love to coast to a complete stop at a light using only engine braking, the roll about a foot back towards the tailgating asshole behind me before ever touching the brake pedal. Stops them from tailgating right quick. So does using engine braking. If they cant tell when you're decelerating because you don't use the brakes, they get very uncomfortable tailgating.


Not to mention that brake pads last longer
 
2012-07-20 10:54:36 AM
Learned to drive on a 1948 Willys Jeep when I was 12. We owned a summer camp in West Virginia and pop took me out to the middle of probably a 30 acre field with a single solitary tree in the center of it.

You bet yer ass I hit that tree. :)

Anyway, at the time, pop told me that if I can drive stick I can drive any personal passenger vehicle, a semi truck, a tractor, and be able to prolly figure out how to drive nearly anything else. It IS one of those skills you don't HAVE to have but is nice having.

Since then I've driven a 1980 Chevy Citation (pop's car when I was old enough to drive legally), a 1983 Nissan Sentra and today I drive a 1991 Jeep Wrangler:

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...that just turned 270K miles a couple months back. It's at around 272K now. Nice thing about a manual transmission: they're easier to fix/work on than an automatic. Less things to go wrong with them.
 
2012-07-20 10:55:31 AM

Girion47: You live anywhere near Louisville? I have an A4 I can teach you on.


Not particularly. Thanks for the offer though. It's annoying to have people simultaneously laugh at you for not knowing then chicken out on letting you try.
 
2012-07-20 10:58:55 AM

Tentacle: fluffy2097:
As a manual driver, I love to coast to a complete stop at a light using only engine braking, the roll about a foot back towards the tailgating asshole behind me before ever touching the brake pedal. Stops them from tailgating right quick. So does using engine braking. If they cant tell when you're decelerating because you don't use the brakes, they get very uncomfortable tailgating.


Not to mention that brake pads last longer


When I took my drivers test the evaluator dinged me for coasting in neutral and not staying in a gear the whole time. Even at a light you are apparently supposed to sit there in gear with the clutch in.
I said "You know brakes are a lot cheaper than a clutch right? Is it going to keep me from getting my license? She said no, so... hell no I'm not going sit at the light with my clutch in the whole time.
 
2012-07-20 10:59:27 AM
Absolutely. And it's not that hard to learn. You just need to get over your fear of stalling and a some practice on light traffic roads.

It's so much more fun to drive with a manual transmission. I love driving my BF's Audi A5. I had to give up my Wrangler with a manual transmission when I was commuting about an hour each way in stop and go traffic because it was such a hassle and the clutch was a beast. I would have switched back to a manual transmission since I now live only three miles from work, but I couldn't find a used Grand Cherokee with stick. Hell, it was hard enough to find one that was 4WD, surprisingly enough. Most of them were just AWD.
 
2012-07-20 11:00:03 AM

Lawnchair: Girion47: You live anywhere near Louisville? I have an A4 I can teach you on.

Not particularly. Thanks for the offer though. It's annoying to have people simultaneously laugh at you for not knowing then chicken out on letting you try.


it's 12 years old, has a relatively new clutch and needs 5K in repairs. If I can't fix most of it myself we're junking it. A lot of younger family members are getting their chance to learn stick.
 
2012-07-20 11:04:10 AM
I don't look down on those who can't or won't drive a stickshift -at least not publicly- but to me it's the difference between driving your vehicle somewhere and being driven somewhere by your vehicle. I think it was a recent Acura commercial said something like "some people still prefer to have a firm handshake with the road."

Bought the vehicle of my dreams about a year ago. (in addition to being a stickshift, it's a well-designed Toyota, older but kept in perfect condition, and no power locks or windows to break) Have always known how to drive stick, but in the first year of owning one I've gotten much better at it -without destroying the transmission, thankfully. There's all sorts of subtleties about how to ease off the pedals various circumstances.

Quick question: does anyone out there regularly push-start a stick on a regular basis? Glad it hasn't come up in my case.
 
2012-07-20 11:05:02 AM

hitlersbrain: A professional driver could probably outperform a an automatic transmission, but few others could. Aren't there enough distractions while driving without have to give up an arm and a leg to switch gears?


I can drive faster and get better mileage in a manual than I can in an automatic, often at the same time and if there's anything that we can be sure of it's that I am NOT a professional driver. Driving a manual forces you to pay attention to the road and plan ahead instead of worrying about what your BFF Jill is texting you.
 
2012-07-20 11:06:54 AM

purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: When I took my drivers test the evaluator dinged me for coasting in neutral and not staying in a gear the whole time. Even at a light you are apparently supposed to sit there in gear with the clutch in.


I don't like to coast in neutral, but I most certainly don't sit around at lights with my foot on the clutch. That's just a waste of friction material.
 
2012-07-20 11:08:19 AM

fluffy2097: Zizzowop: Downshifting can really prolong your brakes.

Brakes are cheaper then a clutch.

That said, I've got 60k miles on my brakes and clutch and neither are due for a change yet.


First time I had my brakes done were at 70k miles. My car currently has just over 100K and I have not needed to do anything with the clutch. I love my MP5.
 
2012-07-20 11:08:37 AM

Girion47: Lawnchair: Girion47: You live anywhere near Louisville? I have an A4 I can teach you on.

Not particularly. Thanks for the offer though. It's annoying to have people simultaneously laugh at you for not knowing then chicken out on letting you try.

it's 12 years old, has a relatively new clutch and needs 5K in repairs. If I can't fix most of it myself we're junking it. A lot of younger family members are getting their chance to learn stick.


I've been trying to teach my son and it has been a painful experiance. He really needs someone who is not me and not in my car :)

VW's and Audi's have the best feeling clutches. The clutch pedal feels like its actually connected to the clutch. I don't know how else to explain it. Every Japanese manual car I have driven the clutch feels like it works by a switch or something. Like the only choice is engaged or not.

02 jetta and an 03 A4 at my house
 
2012-07-20 11:09:05 AM

dickfreckle: How do you folks live like that? It's like farking in the same position for all those cumulative hours you'll spend driving in your whole life, man. Communicate with your machine, dammit.


They are already dead inside. They just commute to work, put in their 8 hours, commute home, argue with their frigid wife, yell at their kids, get drunk, pass out. Then repeat the process the next day.

Until they die.

/a shame really.
 
2012-07-20 11:11:11 AM

fluffy2097: Zizzowop: Downshifting can really prolong your brakes.

Brakes are cheaper then a clutch.

That said, I've got 60k miles on my brakes and clutch and neither are due for a change yet.


If you do it right, there's zero clutch wear.
 
2012-07-20 11:13:20 AM

Inflatable Rhetoric: If you do it right, there's zero clutch wear.


Rev matching is an art though. There are syncros to consider too unless you're double clutching. Not that its likely you'll blow out anything other then first and second gears syncros, even when doing it wrong...
 
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