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2012-07-19 08:30:06 PM
Aren't they instantly uncool because other people are conservatives already?
 
2012-07-19 08:44:17 PM
They think they're cool, most likely, because their peers are more liberal.

In reality they probably know even less of what they're speaking than the 'baggers.
 
2012-07-19 08:52:15 PM
Here's my opinion: tl;dr.

2 bad greens in a row.
 
2012-07-19 08:59:17 PM
And there's my argument: there will always be assholes because there will always be people who think being an asshole is cool
 
2012-07-19 09:58:52 PM
Because shifting gears on a bicycle is hard
 
2012-07-19 10:35:36 PM
"Now I vote on economic issues."
Interpretation: "Now I want to farkin' fark America"
 
2012-07-19 11:17:39 PM
This is nothing new, there's been libertarian hipsters for years.

They'll grow out of it.
 
2012-07-19 11:19:36 PM
Fark you, hipsters.
 
2012-07-19 11:24:22 PM
I'm fine with people being Conservatives, Liberals, whatever because, when you get down to it, there is a lot of common ground between the two sides. That's why they often resort to straw-man arguments.

But I hate those smug fixie bastards.
 
2012-07-19 11:30:29 PM
I know a few people that are self-described libertarians and they are distrustful of the government for many reasons. But when it comes to things like healthcare, they support single payer.

People are odd.
 
2012-07-19 11:32:30 PM
 
2012-07-19 11:34:14 PM
It's real easy to be a modern conservative when you're living off a trust fund.
 
2012-07-19 11:34:30 PM
So, I guess the conservative cause can only attract young people ironically.
 
2012-07-19 11:34:53 PM
FTFA

"She's also a right-wing libertarian who opposes gun control, Obamacare, and the welfare state. She's going to vote for Romney."

If she was a TRUE Libertarian she wouldn't support tax-and-spend liberal Romney.
 
2012-07-19 11:37:28 PM
When your ultimate goal is to be as unappealing as possible, this is what you become. Whatever possible combination of characteristics you can imagine, there are some of 'em out there.
 
2012-07-19 11:37:44 PM
www.thereformedbroker.com
 
2012-07-19 11:39:03 PM
I should have stopped reading at the wrong use of the term "laissez faire".
 
2012-07-19 11:41:31 PM

MrEricSir: This is nothing new, there's been libertarian hipsters for years.

They'll grow out of it.


I was one of those libertarians in college in the late 90s. But then I grew up, got into the real world, watched the economy go off the rails, and then I realized the vast majority of the laissez-faire rhetoric driving some people's ideology had no actual basis in fact. I had hoped that after what happened in the last ten years or so would be self-evident to the point that anyone who isn't old enough to be tied to issues and ideologies of another place and time would realize that 17th century rhetoric is absurd when applied to a post-industrial-revolution society.
 
2012-07-19 11:49:17 PM

fenianfark: I know a few people that are self-described libertarians and they are distrustful of the government for many reasons. But when it comes to things like healthcare, they support single payer.

People are odd.

stupid.
ftfy
 
2012-07-19 11:49:20 PM

MrEricSir: This is nothing new, there's been libertarian hipsters for years.


So true. Typically they've been handed life on a silver platter and have never had life kick them in the nuts, but drunkenly swear to me at the corner bar, after about 10 PBRs, that they've worked for everything they've had and are an island unto themselves (despite riding public transportation) and damn the government for trying to thwart their Galtien destiny (which somehow involves graphic design). However, given that their bicycle doesn't even have brakes, and their other mode of transport when it snows is a government subsidized transit card, this isn't much to brag about.
 
2012-07-19 11:55:13 PM

TheWhoppah:


I love the ironically worn suspenders. He looks like the kind of guy to really shake things up and get us back to the future we were supposed to have.
 
2012-07-19 11:55:29 PM

MrEricSir: This is nothing new, there's been libertarian hipsters for years.


Yup. I went to college with a lot of people like this. They called themselves Objectivists because selfish asshole doesn't have quite the same ring.
 
2012-07-20 12:02:25 AM
I was an evil piece of borderline-traitorous right wing filth before it was cool.
 
2012-07-20 12:02:54 AM
Across the dessert table were two floppy-haired fellows in skinny jeans and tight plaid shirts. As I mulled my pie choices, I listened in on their conversation: they were talking about how wrong it was to build a mosque near Ground Zero.

That's not conservative.

That's just being a tribalistic asshole.
 
2012-07-20 12:03:34 AM
I'm pretty sure they're only doing it ironically
 
2012-07-20 12:08:52 AM

MrEricSir: This is nothing new, there's been libertarian hipsters for years.


Absolutely. I remember back in 1980, when I knew a guy who was the singer for one of the most interesting Devo-influenced art-punk bands in Seattle at the time. He walked through high school commencement in a gas mask and a radiation suit. A smart, interesting guy - who just happened to b the most rabid Reagan supporter I knew.
 
2012-07-20 12:09:20 AM
So, just so we're all on the same page, "hipster" is pretty much just shorthand now for "somebody under the age of 35 who lives in a city" right?

Also that article was unbearable.
 
2012-07-20 12:11:44 AM
Being worthless and not contributing anything meaningful to the world is fine.

However for those of us that are trying to I would ask that you and your trust funds take your fixie out onto the interstate and play tag with 18-wheelers.
 
2012-07-20 12:13:14 AM
Mitchell, 23, is tall, favors oversize glasses, and runs a startup. She was president of her college's tattoo club. On weekends, she goes clubbing at Heroes and Videodrome and the Pill. She's also a right-wing libertarian who opposes gun control, Obamacare, and the welfare state. She's going to vote for Romney.

She's not a libertarian, she's a fascist.
If she was a libertarian, she'd be voting for Gary Johnson.
Incidentally, as a left winger, I'll be either voting for Jill Stein or Stewart Alexander if I decide to throw in a protest vote. I'm sorry, I guess I should say I'm a libertarian and that I'm voting for Stewart Alexander, there's as much logic in that statement as in this dumb coont's.
 
2012-07-20 12:15:12 AM

m2313: Mitchell, 23, is tall, favors oversize glasses, and runs a startup. She was president of her college's tattoo club. On weekends, she goes clubbing at Heroes and Videodrome and the Pill. She's also a right-wing libertarian who opposes gun control, Obamacare, and the welfare state. She's going to vote for Romney.

She's not a libertarian, she's a fascist.
If she was a libertarian, she'd be voting for Gary Johnson.
Incidentally, as a left winger, I'll be either voting for Jill Stein or Stewart Alexander if I decide to throw in a protest vote. I'm sorry, I guess I should say I'm a libertarian and that I'm voting for Stewart Alexander, there's as much logic in that statement as in this dumb coont's.


Among right-wing circles, "libertarian" is just the current acceptable term for "far rightist" since "fascist" is outre.
 
2012-07-20 12:28:07 AM
I'm so unhip, I can't tell if that article was clever or dumb.
 
2012-07-20 12:29:21 AM

erstwhileplanet: So, just so we're all on the same page, "hipster" is pretty much just shorthand now for "somebody under the age of 35 who lives in a city" right?


While I completely agree that the term is vastly overused these people would honestly fall under the classification of "hipster".
 
2012-07-20 12:33:08 AM

erstwhileplanet: So, just so we're all on the same page, "hipster" is pretty much just shorthand now for "somebody under the age of 35 who lives in a city" right?

Also that article was unbearable.


I was in the Rockaways yesterday. First I was on the beach in a pleasant Irish-American neighborhood. The parking was easy as hell, you're allowed to park on the side streets on weekdays that aren't holidays and the beach was relatively empty. No hipsters. Then I moved to a part of the beach where the neighborhood is fairly blighted because there's a good fish taco spot there. A ton of hipsters, especially considering it's Queens and far as hell from Manhattan. And I'm sure they lived in northwest Brooklyn and took the A train to hit up the beach for the day, except for that one hipster couple that rode in on a Vespa. They're usually people who move to a city from elsewhere and seem to make as much of an effort to stand out as possible by dressing like someone you'd encounter in a gay bar in 1986, and for some strange reason have disdain for any part of the city that's actually nice and attractive. At least in NYC.
 
2012-07-20 12:35:08 AM
there's quite a few hipsters that jumped on the ron paul bandwagon solely because of pot legalization.

they really, REALLY don't like it when you point out that he is anti-choice and for sodomy laws.
 
2012-07-20 12:39:38 AM
Well I've been conservative since before it was cool, so I get to mock all you posers.
 
2012-07-20 01:02:33 AM
"I have sort-of progressive goals, but I'm deeply skeptical of the ability of large institutions, including government, to accomplish those goals," he says.

You know, most of these people sound like jackasses, but this guy at least seems partially sane. While I might not agree that tiny government is the way to go, I can understand why people would be skeptical of governmental bloat.

But to be a hipster conservative? You might as well be a Log Cabin Republican. And those make no sense, either.
 
2012-07-20 01:26:19 AM

A Dark Evil Omen: m2313: Mitchell, 23, is tall, favors oversize glasses, and runs a startup. She was president of her college's tattoo club. On weekends, she goes clubbing at Heroes and Videodrome and the Pill. She's also a right-wing libertarian who opposes gun control, Obamacare, and the welfare state. She's going to vote for Romney.

She's not a libertarian, she's a fascist.
If she was a libertarian, she'd be voting for Gary Johnson.
Incidentally, as a left winger, I'll be either voting for Jill Stein or Stewart Alexander if I decide to throw in a protest vote. I'm sorry, I guess I should say I'm a libertarian and that I'm voting for Stewart Alexander, there's as much logic in that statement as in this dumb coont's.

Among right-wing circles, "libertarian" is just the current acceptable term for "far rightist" since "fascist" is outre.


Yes, but they are ruining what a real Libertarian is. Libertarians are classically moderates. Socially liberally while fiscally conservative.
 
2012-07-20 01:33:14 AM

deadcrickets: Yes, but they are ruining what a real Libertarian is. Libertarians are classically moderates. Socially liberally while fiscally conservative.


Actually, the original libertarians were anarchist (used for that purpose since the 1850s). Outside of America, libertarian is much more likely to evoke socialist, anti-capitalist, autonomous thoughts. This recent trend of right wing libertarianism pretty much started in the 70s with the American Libertarian Party. Essentially, non-statist anti-capitalist socialists were the original political use for the term.
 
2012-07-20 01:55:26 AM
So, entirely retarded then.

They're the braindead people who can't come up with an ideology on their own and have completely succumbed to corporate media.
 
2012-07-20 01:59:49 AM

m2313: Mitchell, 23, is tall, favors oversize glasses, and runs a startup. She was president of her college's tattoo club. On weekends, she goes clubbing at Heroes and Videodrome and the Pill. She's also a right-wing libertarian who opposes gun control, Obamacare, and the welfare state. She's going to vote for Romney.

She's not a libertarian, she's a fascist.
If she was a libertarian, she'd be voting for Gary Johnson.
Incidentally, as a left winger, I'll be either voting for Jill Stein or Stewart Alexander if I decide to throw in a protest vote. I'm sorry, I guess I should say I'm a libertarian and that I'm voting for Stewart Alexander, there's as much logic in that statement as in this dumb coont's.


Apparently Ron Paul is still thinking about voting for Romney.

Link
 
2012-07-20 02:07:52 AM
As I mulled my pie choices, I listened in on their conversation: they were talking about how wrong it was to build a mosque near Ground Zero. I felt like I was in Invasion of the Body Snatchers, that I should run into the crowd screaming into the faces of the feminists: "They're here! You're next!"

WTF am I reading?

First off, a French national who's a self-described Libertarian is NOT a great example of "hipster conservative".

Second, Xenophobia over Mosques and Sharia law is pretty much a trademark of the right so Neck beard's charming little anecdote is rather suspect from the get-go.

Finally, feeling like you need to go "screaming into" people's faces is, again, the mark of a Libertarian douchenozzle and/or social conservative wing nut much more so than a progressive/liberal.

The new conservative archetype is more like Meghan McCain...

K, just gonna mercifully stop reading there. Yeesh.
 
2012-07-20 02:43:44 AM
FTA - "Last week, Vice - the magazine best known for making ironic trucker hats fashionable - ran a piece characterizing libertarianism as the natural result of disillusionment with the two-party system intellectually-lazy attention whoring."
 
2012-07-20 02:44:12 AM
I'm sure they're only conservative ironically. Or trust fund babies.

I came across a quote the other day that works so ironically it's should be hipster gospel...


Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself. --- Dick Nixon
 
2012-07-20 02:49:37 AM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: They think they're cool, most likely, because their peers are more liberal.

In reality they probably know even less of what they're speaking than the 'baggers.



This.

"Ohmigod! Everybody at this party has ear gauges and a woolly-beard!!! How on Earth will I ever stand out and get attention here?!?!?! I know! I'll express my respect and admiration for Dick Cheney!"
 
2012-07-20 02:59:22 AM

m2313: deadcrickets: Yes, but they are ruining what a real Libertarian is. Libertarians are classically moderates. Socially liberally while fiscally conservative.

Actually, the original libertarians were anarchist (used for that purpose since the 1850s). Outside of America, libertarian is much more likely to evoke socialist, anti-capitalist, autonomous thoughts. This recent trend of right wing libertarianism pretty much started in the 70s with the American Libertarian Party. Essentially, non-statist anti-capitalist socialists were the original political use for the term.



Back in the day, LIBER-tarianism focused on PERSONAL LIBERTY. It was crassly co-opted by the very people who most threaten personal liberty and deliberately and disingenuously conflated with commercial/industrial/institutional liberty... and a whole bunch of people very stupidly bought into all the bullshiat pandering about freedom and liberty that really means:

"Our freedom to work your ass 12 hours a day, 6 days a week with no minimum wage or overtime protection.... YOUR freedom use the bathroom twice a shift after requesting and receiving permission from your supervisor."

It's completely antithetical to personal liberty. (unless of course, you happen to be David Koch)
 
2012-07-20 04:14:10 AM

cretinbob: Because shifting gears on a bicycle is hard


Well, isn't letting gravity carry you downhill for free while you sit on your fat ass doing nothing the very definition of a socialist handout? All of the people at the bottom of the hill are forced (AT GUNPOINT!!!1) to supply the equal and opposite reaction for your cushy, zero-effort ride down the hill.

EINSTEIN WAS A COMMUNIST! FREEWHEELS ARE UNAMERICAN!
 
2012-07-20 06:34:27 AM

UNC_Samurai: MrEricSir: This is nothing new, there's been libertarian hipsters for years.

They'll grow out of it.

I was one of those libertarians in college in the late 90s. But then I grew up, got into the real world, watched the economy go off the rails, and then I realized the vast majority of the laissez-faire rhetoric driving some people's ideology had no actual basis in fact. I had hoped that after what happened in the last ten years or so would be self-evident to the point that anyone who isn't old enough to be tied to issues and ideologies of another place and time would realize that 17th century rhetoric is absurd when applied to a post-industrial-revolution society.


Would a Libertarian would be for the repeal of laws that penalize murder?

Because reasonable people don't kill other people.

/Absurd example, yes, but still.
 
2012-07-20 07:48:06 AM
People who want "limited government" and vote Republican make P.T. Barnum wish he was alive today; he'd be a trillionaire.
 
2012-07-20 08:13:16 AM
Republican:

www.dobi.nu
 
2012-07-20 08:21:21 AM

m2313: deadcrickets: Yes, but they are ruining what a real Libertarian is. Libertarians are classically moderates. Socially liberally while fiscally conservative.

Actually, the original libertarians were anarchist (used for that purpose since the 1850s). Outside of America, libertarian is much more likely to evoke socialist, anti-capitalist, autonomous thoughts. This recent trend of right wing libertarianism pretty much started in the 70s with the American Libertarian Party. Essentially, non-statist anti-capitalist socialists were the original political use for the term.


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