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2012-07-20 10:28:54 AM

keylock71: snowshovel: [i50.tinypic.com image 500x280]

What plans are those? You should be able to provide all kinds of cites and facts considering how many plans Romney has put forth.

Difficulty: Tax cuts for wealthy people has been tried for the last 30 years.


Wow... Must be an awful lot of compiling going on. I can't wait to see all these plans for Middle Class job creation Mitt Romney has put forth...
 
2012-07-20 10:29:02 AM

fracto73: TheGreatGazoo: Why don't the Democrats just go ahead and break the filibusters?

Or would that take, you know, effort and interrupt their golf games?


Perhaps they believed the things they said when discussing the 'nuclear option'.


How do they go about doing that, anyway? Wouldn't the Republicans just filibuster any attempt to change the rules to no longer allow filibusters?
 
2012-07-20 10:30:21 AM
Those representatives were voted in after the law was passed. Also, the Democrats' biggest mistake in the passing of the Affordable Care Act was trying to build bipartisan consensus and legislate with the Republicans, rather than just passing it with the majority they held in both houses of Congress at the beginning of Obama's term, prior to Ted Kennedy kicking the bucket. It's sad when an attempt to compromise is so soundly rejected and completely forgotten in the grand scheme of things only a couple years later.

Also, the individual mandate is a requirement if you are going to keep costs reasonable across the board, else you'll continue to have the 20-somethings not purchasing insurance and not getting sick and once again not spreading the overall cost around. By requiring my generation to buy health insurance now, it will benefit us in 30-40 years when the overall costs are borne by a larger group that is not all in a higher demographic for getting sick. It's a payment now to help ourselves out later.
 
2012-07-20 10:30:51 AM

killro: Today I actually believe many (not all) Republicans are actually trying to spearhead the progress of this country.


[citation needed]
 
2012-07-20 10:31:53 AM

I alone am best: coeyagi: I alone am best: NateGrey: I alone am best: This is something I would email my congress members about but they are democrats anyway. This is the first step to destroying NC/AFTA. We need to do away with that stupid bullcrap.

But as a Republican...you will keep voting Republican right?

I used to vote for some democrats but after the health care deal there is no possible way I will ever vote for another democrat ever again. So, yes I will vote for republicans unless Charlie Manson is the one on the ticket, then I just wont for for that office at all.

Yes, I know, ACA has destroyed your life. Tell me, how has it destroyed your life?

It didn't. It just shows me that the democrats tried to score some political points with legislation that didn't even solve the real issue because the GOP obstructed them from getting the system they wanted.. Then, when people didn't like it and and voted in reps that would vote against it they couldn't see that it wasn't what the people wanted because the Fox News Derp machine lied to them constantly and managed to force it though with procedural bullcrap. The hubris from the right wing assholes who initially developed the idea displayed during that entire thing was astounding. The only thing about the law I dislike is the individual mandate even though that's a Republican idea and probably didn't cause me any grief when it was originally proposed, everything else at least helps some people. I just think that it doesn't help the root cause of the problem and will lead to bigger issues down the road because I've been told to think that way.


Added your omissions back in.
 
2012-07-20 10:34:47 AM

AngryTeacher: But imagine this. A Mr. Smith Goes to Washington type filibuster who be all over the news. The news would have to report that the GOP is against this bill. That would be beautiful. Everyone out there would see that the GOP is not about creating jobs and lowering taxes.


Could they, like, play sounds of running water over the PA system and visibly drink coffee in front of the guy doing the filibuster, to hasten the inevitable? Or are there Republicans who have been catheterized that the party could assign to filibuster duty?
 
2012-07-20 10:35:34 AM

I alone am best: The only thing about the law I dislike is the individual mandate, everything else at least helps some people.


So the only thing you don't like is the keystone to all republican healthcare reform proposals from the last two decades, that was invented by a prominent republican think tank and was included in the HCR as a massive attempt to reach across the aisle and make it as bi-partisan as possible. The individual mandate is the most Republian thing about the entire bill, and your response to the Democrats including it is to only vote Republican?
 
2012-07-20 10:39:05 AM
What really made the Republican mindset clear to me was watching some of the televised "debate" during the drafting of the ACA. The Democrats were speaking to the Republicans, trying to figure out exactly what they wanted and why they no longer wanted what they previously asked for. The Republicans were speaking to the cameras, making generic campaign speeches about the length of the bill and ignoring any questions they were asked to give specific ideas.

ObamaCare is far from the perfect solution. But even if it only helps a small percentage of Americans, it's at least a start. There's really only so much you can do right when a two-party system has one party who no longer wants to negotiate in good faith.
 
2012-07-20 10:41:41 AM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: I alone am best: The only thing about the law I dislike is the individual mandate, everything else at least helps some people.

So the only thing you don't like is the keystone to all republican healthcare reform proposals from the last two decades, that was invented by a prominent republican think tank and was included in the HCR as a massive attempt to reach across the aisle and make it as bi-partisan as possible. The individual mandate is the most Republian thing about the entire bill, and your response to the Democrats including it is to only vote Republican?


Did the republicans pass it? Did they say "Hey look at this amazing plan that heritage came up!". No the democrats passed it.

A piece of shiat bill is a piece of shiat bill.
 
2012-07-20 10:42:01 AM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: I alone am best: The only thing about the law I dislike is the individual mandate, everything else at least helps some people.

So the only thing you don't like is the keystone to all republican healthcare reform proposals from the last two decades, that was invented by a prominent republican think tank and was included in the HCR as a massive attempt to reach across the aisle and make it as bi-partisan as possible. The individual mandate is the most Republian thing about the entire bill, and your response to the Democrats including it is to only vote Republican?


He likes all the progressive stuff in HCR, he just doesn't like the bootstrappy part where we have to pay for it.
 
2012-07-20 10:43:32 AM

pciszek: AngryTeacher: But imagine this. A Mr. Smith Goes to Washington type filibuster who be all over the news. The news would have to report that the GOP is against this bill. That would be beautiful. Everyone out there would see that the GOP is not about creating jobs and lowering taxes.

Could they, like, play sounds of running water over the PA system and visibly drink coffee in front of the guy doing the filibuster, to hasten the inevitable? Or are there Republicans who have been catheterized that the party could assign to filibuster duty?


That style of filibuster was done away with in the 70s, but old-school senators were aware of these kind of tricks and took steps. Strom Thurmond's CRA filibuster is one of the more prominent examples; Thurmond didn't eat or drink for two days leading up to it to.
 
2012-07-20 10:46:50 AM

Bf+: thomps: Coco LaFemme: I know he'd never do it, but I'd love to see Obama just once, call these assholes out for the assholes they are. I don't mean vaguely insinuate the GOP has been obstructionist his whole term. I mean actually calling them assholes. Can you imagine the butthurt if Obama said, "You know what? Fark these asshole clowns. I'm trying to do good for this farking country, and these needle-dicked pussies are blocking everything because they want the country to fail just to fark me over. I hope they eat shiat and die."

Like I said, it'll never happen, but a girl can dream.

i wonder how many first drafts of his speeches start out that way.



Rough Draft #2:

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...but you know what? To hell with them.
We have been working diligently to right the course of this nation to avoid a crash of disastrous proportions. We're trying to do good for the country, while all this time these Republicans politicians are blocking everything... everything... in order to to aim us back, straight towards that proverbial iceberg. Republicans in the highest ranks have said, in no unequivocal terms, that their single goal--their only goal... is to make me a one term president. However, to achieve this goal... to take down one person... they aren't just attacking me. They aren't just attacking Democratic politicians, obstructing the government process while hurling the most vile of accusations. No. They are attacking the American people. They are attacking American jobs, they are attacking the American economy, they are attacking this great nation itself... for the sole purpose of political gain. At this point we can only hope... that the citizens of this great country... that the American voters... rise up to defend America... to defend America from these attackers, because if we don't, they could very well have their way. They could very well succeed in their goal... to destroy this great Nation.
Again I say... to hell with them.
T ...


Uh, do you want a civil war?

That's the kind of language I would expect that would set us on that path.
 
2012-07-20 10:48:19 AM

LordJiro: DemonEater: OK. So, let me get this straight.

This plan involves TAX CUTS for BUSINESS
Providing they give AMERICANS jobs

And the GOP are AGAINST it? It sounds like EXACTLY the sort of thing they should favour.

Come on, trolls, explain why this is bad.

It's simple. Even with the tax incentives for hiring American, it'd STILL probably be cheaper to send jobs to China and such, because of things like 'Minimum wage' and 'worker safety regulations' and 'child labor laws' and other things that we have here in America that they don't have overseas.


Yes, but at least then you'd get more taxes from these companies. I'll take that over tax deductions from them any day. Gain worker, or gain tax revenue (which you can, shockingly enough, use to creat jobs by building/maintaining key infrastructure), win-win either way.
 
2012-07-20 10:49:08 AM

I alone am best: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: I alone am best: The only thing about the law I dislike is the individual mandate, everything else at least helps some people.

So the only thing you don't like is the keystone to all republican healthcare reform proposals from the last two decades, that was invented by a prominent republican think tank and was included in the HCR as a massive attempt to reach across the aisle and make it as bi-partisan as possible. The individual mandate is the most Republian thing about the entire bill, and your response to the Democrats including it is to only vote Republican?

Did the republicans pass it? Did they say "Hey look at this amazing plan that heritage came up!". No the democrats passed it.

A piece of shiat bill is a piece of shiat bill.


I don't like it either, because it is too Republican. You dont like it because it is too republican - so your response is to vote Republican. Why?

Hell - they spent two decades saying "look at this amazing plan the heritage foundation came up with - we should pass this" then the Democrats said "OK, fine, we'll include the keystone of your HCR, that you have been promoting for two decades and some of you even campaigned on during the last election". Anyone who thinks the GOP voted in lockstep on this because they were opposed to the individual mandate is delusional or has the memory of a goldfish.
 
2012-07-20 10:49:30 AM

I alone am best: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: I alone am best: The only thing about the law I dislike is the individual mandate, everything else at least helps some people.

So the only thing you don't like is the keystone to all republican healthcare reform proposals from the last two decades, that was invented by a prominent republican think tank and was included in the HCR as a massive attempt to reach across the aisle and make it as bi-partisan as possible. The individual mandate is the most Republian thing about the entire bill, and your response to the Democrats including it is to only vote Republican?

Did the republicans pass it? Did they say "Hey look at this amazing plan that heritage came up!". No the democrats passed it.

A piece of shiat bill is a piece of shiat bill.


The Republicans opposed it because the Democrats agreed to it. Any bi-partisan agreement would have made Obama look good, which was something the GOP could not allow.

The Democrats had a proposal the GOP did not like. The GOP insisted that certain additions be made (like the mandate), and they'd happily sign. The Democrats said alright, and made the additions. The GOP then went to the public complaining about the mandate they demanded.

The GOP treated the whole thing like a game.
 
2012-07-20 10:53:11 AM

pciszek: fracto73: TheGreatGazoo: Why don't the Democrats just go ahead and break the filibusters?

Or would that take, you know, effort and interrupt their golf games?


Perhaps they believed the things they said when discussing the 'nuclear option'.

How do they go about doing that, anyway? Wouldn't the Republicans just filibuster any attempt to change the rules to no longer allow filibusters?



It only requires a simple majority to change the procedural rules and from what I remember that vote isn't subject to filibuster.
 
2012-07-20 10:55:25 AM

coeyagi: I alone am best: NateGrey: I alone am best: This is something I would email my congress members about but they are democrats anyway. This is the first step to destroying NC/AFTA. We need to do away with that stupid bullcrap.

But as a Republican...you will keep voting Republican right?

I used to vote for some democrats but after the health care deal there is no possible way I will ever vote for another democrat ever again. So, yes I will vote for republicans unless Charlie Manson is the one on the ticket, then I just wont for for that office at all.

Yes, I know, ACA has destroyed your life. Tell me, how has it destroyed your life?


I think that he objects to my 11 year old brother with congenital kidney disease being covered. I know it just burns me up that those poor insurance companies won't be able to turn the kid down for a pre-existing condition.
 
2012-07-20 10:57:42 AM

imashark: Uh, do you want a civil war?

That's the kind of language I would expect that would set us on that path.


The economic ties between Red and Blue USA are much more interwoven than they were back in the day.

At the root of it all, money is politics. While that's certainly more true now, post-Citizens United, it always was true before. More importantly, sentiment is driven by the moneyed, private media. They set the national conversation. Not one of those moguls will permit a narrative that actually leads to civil war, they stand to lose too much. The only possible civil war that could happen is the proletariat versus the plutocrat, not ideological - because in order to work up the gumption to civil war, the proletariat must first reject the media's messaging to enable them to reject the plutocracy itself.

And that's not going to happen either. It's going to be a long time until the average Joe is gonna turn off the household god of the TV.
 
2012-07-20 11:01:43 AM

WaitWhatWhy: coeyagi: I alone am best: NateGrey: I alone am best: This is something I would email my congress members about but they are democrats anyway. This is the first step to destroying NC/AFTA. We need to do away with that stupid bullcrap.

But as a Republican...you will keep voting Republican right?

I used to vote for some democrats but after the health care deal there is no possible way I will ever vote for another democrat ever again. So, yes I will vote for republicans unless Charlie Manson is the one on the ticket, then I just wont for for that office at all.

Yes, I know, ACA has destroyed your life. Tell me, how has it destroyed your life?

I think that he objects to my 11 year old brother with congenital kidney disease being covered. I know it just burns me up that those poor insurance companies won't be able to turn the kid down for a pre-existing condition.


No, he likes that part according to upthread post. He doesn't like the individual mandate- you know, the part that kinda makes this whole thing work. Everyone paying into the system means insurance-less ER visits will no longer pass the cost on to the rest of us because they shouldn't exist.
 
2012-07-20 11:02:59 AM

Coco LaFemme: I know he'd never do it, but I'd love to see Obama just once, call these assholes out for the assholes they are. I don't mean vaguely insinuate the GOP has been obstructionist his whole term. I mean actually calling them assholes. Can you imagine the butthurt if Obama said, "You know what? Fark these asshole clowns. I'm trying to do good for this farking country, and these needle-dicked pussies are blocking everything because they want the country to fail just to fark me over. I hope they eat shiat and die."

Like I said, it'll never happen, but a girl can dream.


Where do I subscribe to your newsletter?

/ are you my long lost relative 'cause we think similarly
 
2012-07-20 11:05:25 AM
Okay, I have a question about the specific bill, following an argument about it with my step-father. I said the bill would give a break to businesses that expanded their domestic payroll and the GOP blocked it because they couldn't amend it to appeal ObamaCare or extend the tax cuts. His argument is that part of the bill included a tax increase for anybody making over $250,000. And the reason the GOP blocked it is to avoid the included tax increase.

Could somebody please explain to me if I am completely wrong on this one and misinformed? I was under the impression that the "raising taxes" was only a result of expiring Bush tax cuts and not a specific legislation to raise them.
 
2012-07-20 11:08:13 AM

WaitWhatWhy: coeyagi: I alone am best: NateGrey: I alone am best: This is something I would email my congress members about but they are democrats anyway. This is the first step to destroying NC/AFTA. We need to do away with that stupid bullcrap.

But as a Republican...you will keep voting Republican right?

I used to vote for some democrats but after the health care deal there is no possible way I will ever vote for another democrat ever again. So, yes I will vote for republicans unless Charlie Manson is the one on the ticket, then I just wont for for that office at all.

Yes, I know, ACA has destroyed your life. Tell me, how has it destroyed your life?

I think that he objects to my 11 year old brother with congenital kidney disease being covered. I know it just burns me up that those poor insurance companies won't be able to turn the kid down for a pre-existing condition.


I object to the fact that no person ,who isn't obscenely wealthy, can afford to pay for a congenital kidney disease. Health Insurance is a scam and only increases the cost of health care for everyone.
 
2012-07-20 11:08:17 AM

there their theyre: there their theyre: I'll never buy a manual or an automatic transmission. CVT all the way, perfect smooth acceleration and no shifting ever.

First car was a manual, then an automatic, now a cvt.

Wow, epic fail on my part.

Also, the GOP sucks


Not so much. What I took from your comment was that you would never again vote for someone with a large, metal stick up his ass.
 
2012-07-20 11:09:26 AM

I alone am best: WaitWhatWhy: coeyagi: I alone am best: NateGrey: I alone am best: This is something I would email my congress members about but they are democrats anyway. This is the first step to destroying NC/AFTA. We need to do away with that stupid bullcrap.

But as a Republican...you will keep voting Republican right?

I used to vote for some democrats but after the health care deal there is no possible way I will ever vote for another democrat ever again. So, yes I will vote for republicans unless Charlie Manson is the one on the ticket, then I just wont for for that office at all.

Yes, I know, ACA has destroyed your life. Tell me, how has it destroyed your life?

I think that he objects to my 11 year old brother with congenital kidney disease being covered. I know it just burns me up that those poor insurance companies won't be able to turn the kid down for a pre-existing condition.

I object to the fact that no person ,who isn't obscenely wealthy, can afford to pay for a congenital kidney disease. Health Insurance is a scam and only increases the cost of health care for everyone.


So you support the single payer program that removes the for-profit insurance company adding their costs to health care?
 
2012-07-20 11:10:41 AM

NeoCortex42: Okay, I have a question about the specific bill, following an argument about it with my step-father. I said the bill would give a break to businesses that expanded their domestic payroll and the GOP blocked it because they couldn't amend it to appeal ObamaCare or extend the tax cuts. His argument is that part of the bill included a tax increase for anybody making over $250,000. And the reason the GOP blocked it is to avoid the included tax increase.

Could somebody please explain to me if I am completely wrong on this one and misinformed? I was under the impression that the "raising taxes" was only a result of expiring Bush tax cuts and not a specific legislation to raise them.



The Bill. Print it off and have him read it. He is wrong.
 
2012-07-20 11:15:55 AM

InvertedB: I alone am best: WaitWhatWhy: coeyagi: I alone am best: NateGrey: I alone am best: This is something I would email my congress members about but they are democrats anyway. This is the first step to destroying NC/AFTA. We need to do away with that stupid bullcrap.

But as a Republican...you will keep voting Republican right?

I used to vote for some democrats but after the health care deal there is no possible way I will ever vote for another democrat ever again. So, yes I will vote for republicans unless Charlie Manson is the one on the ticket, then I just wont for for that office at all.

Yes, I know, ACA has destroyed your life. Tell me, how has it destroyed your life?

I think that he objects to my 11 year old brother with congenital kidney disease being covered. I know it just burns me up that those poor insurance companies won't be able to turn the kid down for a pre-existing condition.

I object to the fact that no person ,who isn't obscenely wealthy, can afford to pay for a congenital kidney disease. Health Insurance is a scam and only increases the cost of health care for everyone.

So you support the single payer program that removes the for-profit insurance company adding their costs to health care?


I would have rather had single payer than what is in place now. I would also like to see the costs of health care addressed.
 
2012-07-20 11:25:44 AM

I alone am best: InvertedB: So you support the single payer program that removes the for-profit insurance company adding their costs to health care?

I would have rather had single payer than what is in place now. I would also like to see the costs of health care addressed.


Interesting, it is refreshing when people have their own opinions on issues regardless of which political party they associate with.
 
2012-07-20 11:26:32 AM

elffster: pstawicki: Sure because NOW he's going to solve the one main issue that he has done nothing about since getting to office. Get a life - WORST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY

Do you even pay attention?


He's from Addison, TX.
Probably stoned on meth.
 
2012-07-20 11:35:55 AM

diaphoresis: AdolfOliverPanties: Today's GOP is the greatest threat the United States has ever faced.

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Today's Dems are innocent, competent, reliable, honest, and full of integrity? Just wanna make sure I understand you right.


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2012-07-20 11:39:38 AM

I alone am best: I would also like to see the costs of health care addressed.


You're in luck.

Indeed, one of the essential aspects of the legislation is that unlike previous efforts, it does not rely on just one policy for effective cost control. Instead, it puts into place virtually every cost-control reform proposed by physicians, economists, and health policy experts and includes the means for these reforms to be assessed quickly and scaled up if they're successful. Link
 
2012-07-20 11:40:01 AM

bigbadideasinaction: LordJiro: DemonEater: OK. So, let me get this straight.

This plan involves TAX CUTS for BUSINESS
Providing they give AMERICANS jobs

And the GOP are AGAINST it? It sounds like EXACTLY the sort of thing they should favour.

Come on, trolls, explain why this is bad.

It's simple. Even with the tax incentives for hiring American, it'd STILL probably be cheaper to send jobs to China and such, because of things like 'Minimum wage' and 'worker safety regulations' and 'child labor laws' and other things that we have here in America that they don't have overseas.

Yes, but at least then you'd get more taxes from these companies. I'll take that over tax deductions from them any day. Gain worker, or gain tax revenue (which you can, shockingly enough, use to creat jobs by building/maintaining key infrastructure), win-win either way.


And that's the problem the GOP has with this bill.
 
2012-07-20 11:40:26 AM

diaphoresis: AdolfOliverPanties: Today's GOP is the greatest threat the United States has ever faced.

[cdn.overclock.net image 350x220]

Today's Dems are innocent, competent, reliable, honest, and full of integrity? Just wanna make sure I understand you right.


The dems have corrupt self serving asswipes among them, but they're not farking crazy obstructionist derpmongers that act as a single unit with one sole purpose. Namely to gum up the works by voting against everything any democrat proposes no matter the merit or previous rebpub support or even if they came up with the idea.
They are crippling this country, and if they ever came to power like they did in states like Wisconsin, Florida, or Michigan, they would take this country over the edge. Based on the bills they've tried to pass in the last 3.5 years, they would:

make healthcare unaffordable for millions
ban abortion in all cases including rape and incest
slash taxes for the rich, raise taxes for the middle class and poor
eliminate regulation for the financial sector insuring another meltdown
not raise the debt limit causing a world wide meltdown
elminate the EPA, department of education
privatize education
privatize most everything else
gut medicare and social security
bloat the pentagon beyond all reason
tear down the wall between church and state
invade Syria, Iran, and re-invade Iraq
ban internet porn

care to add to the list anyone?
 
2012-07-20 11:41:52 AM
And of course they will continue to attack Obama on this, and any time that you mention something like this, the selective hearing loss will kick in and you will be ignored.
 
2012-07-20 11:44:01 AM
Today's GOP is the greatest threat this country faces. More than any foreign country or terrorist organisation out there.
/yes I truly believe that.
//traitors
 
2012-07-20 11:49:02 AM

I alone am best:

I would have rather had single payer than what is in place now. I would also like to see the costs of health care addressed.


All single payer based reforms put forth by the Democrats have been staunchly opposed by Republicans, who were in favor of an individual mandate, for almost 20 years now. Which is apparently why you are now a solid Republican voter.
 
2012-07-20 12:05:47 PM

NeoCortex42:
You have no idea how frequent, and frustrating, discussions like this are. With the amount of revisionist history and outright lies by Fox News (which is the only news he will watch), a large portion of our country believes in a fabricated reality. It makes honest and open political discussion completely impossible.


You should thank Allah, God, Cthulhu, Buddah, Yahweh, the Great Spirit, the Flying Spaghetti Monster or any other deity you believe in that every day you two are not related genetically.

Seriously.
 
2012-07-20 12:14:58 PM

Jacko8x: The first question out of your mouth whenever somebody makes a political statement should always be "But why"? When you were 3, this is the most important (and annoying) question that was always why. Never stop! It may not change your opinion on anything. But, if there is anything that I have learned in my 15+ years in IT support, it is that you should always try and get to the root cause of an issue. Sure, a reboot will make the problem go away, but it doesn't really fix the problem. Take the time and figure out why it stopped working.

Political statement: "Mr. President, unemployment is still high, and you haven't done anything to fix it".

I have never lost the 3 year old in me, so I am still asking why. This article clearly shows why.

Talking about the mistakes that were made in the past is not placing blame, it is doing a root cause analysis. Talking about the Republican Party blocking votes to take a bathroom break is not placing blame, it is doing a root cause analysis. The answer on why the President hasn't been able to get more done is more telling then the statements on what he has been able to get done....


Time to do an EMP study and a Process Behavior Study for the economy. Odds that the economy reacts more predictably when a D's in office? Cause 2009 - 2012 only contains signals if you ignore the previous... 150 years of economic data in lieu of starting your baseline variation in 2007.

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In God we trust. All others bring data.
 
2012-07-20 12:21:35 PM

randomjsa: Coco LaFemme: I know he'd never do it, but I'd love to see Obama just once, call these assholes out for the assholes they are. I don't mean vaguely insinuate the GOP has been obstructionist his whole term. I mean actually calling them assholes. Can you imagine the butthurt if Obama said, "You know what? Fark these asshole clowns. I'm trying to do good for this farking country, and these needle-dicked pussies are blocking everything because they want the country to fail just to fark me over. I hope they eat shiat and die."

Like I said, it'll never happen, but a girl can dream.

Except it would have to go something like this in order to be honest if Obama said it.

"You know what? You stupid peons just don't know what's best for you. I mean how dare you elect Republicans nationwide in a landslide and reject my health care bill! I'm trying so damn hard to create a system where the executive branch and the federal government control everything and the Republicans are getting in my damn way! So just shut up and let your betters tell you what's best for you."


I'm surprised you get internet access all the way out there in your militia compound. Are you well-stocked with tin foil for the coming apocalypse?
 
2012-07-20 12:22:18 PM

xanadian: FTFA: In a letter to senators this week, the Chamber of Commerce called the bill "misguided" and said it "would hamper American worldwide companies' competitiveness, increase complexity in the Internal Revenue Code, and threaten economic growth."

....

OK, I can believe claim #2, and I *might* be inclined to believe #1, but how the hell does making more jobs available in the US a "threat" to economic growth?

I'd really like to know. Don't just make a statement without backing it up with COLD, HARD FACTS.

But, of course, I know you won't. At the best, you guys will use circular logic.


Economic growth is not a measure of employment, is is the difference between this years balance sheet and last years balance sheet. What these assholes are saying is that "By taxing me for exploiting overseas labor, you are effecting my bottom line."

The answer to that should be "Too farkin' bad." But it won't be. We will get the same old soft ass talking points from the Ds' that we always do. The media will report it as "Does this bill hurt growth?" and the retards will eat it up.

We are going to become an economy where we all do each other's laundry for a living.
 
2012-07-20 12:28:50 PM

rewind2846: dorko16: Coco LaFemme: My guess would be all of them. I don't envy the man for the job he has. Sure the idea of being President is fun, but that's all that is fun - the idea of it. It's a grueling, arduous position that ages you exponentially. Add to that the bullshiat he's had to deal with from the Republitards, and I'm shocked he didn't pull and LBJ and refuse to run again.

I'd have way more respect for him at this point if he'd actually call this bullshiat out - they're never ever ever (ever) going to work with him, so he might as well.

While this may be a fun fantasy, I have more respect for the man that he DOESN'T do this.
Politics, especially on a national level, is all about negotiation.


It takes two to negotiate. If one of the parties doesn't want to negotiate, what is needed then is leadership around that particular roadblock.
 
2012-07-20 12:32:07 PM

NeoCortex42: Okay, I have a question about the specific bill, following an argument about it with my step-father. I said the bill would give a break to businesses that expanded their domestic payroll and the GOP blocked it because they couldn't amend it to appeal ObamaCare or extend the tax cuts. His argument is that part of the bill included a tax increase for anybody making over $250,000. And the reason the GOP blocked it is to avoid the included tax increase.

Could somebody please explain to me if I am completely wrong on this one and misinformed? I was under the impression that the "raising taxes" was only a result of expiring Bush tax cuts and not a specific legislation to raise them.


I'm only guessing here, but the Fox New Talking Point (tm) over this will be:

"The Republicans are trying to stop taxes from going up on those making over $250,000 a year. By amending the bill they would have made sure nobody's taxes go up when the Bush Tax Cuts expire, so they are the heroes here and the Democrats wouldn't let them put it to a vote."

It's some pretty serious circular logic, but that's Fox News for you.
 
2012-07-20 12:33:09 PM

Rent Party: rewind2846: dorko16: Coco LaFemme: My guess would be all of them. I don't envy the man for the job he has. Sure the idea of being President is fun, but that's all that is fun - the idea of it. It's a grueling, arduous position that ages you exponentially. Add to that the bullshiat he's had to deal with from the Republitards, and I'm shocked he didn't pull and LBJ and refuse to run again.

I'd have way more respect for him at this point if he'd actually call this bullshiat out - they're never ever ever (ever) going to work with him, so he might as well.

While this may be a fun fantasy, I have more respect for the man that he DOESN'T do this.
Politics, especially on a national level, is all about negotiation.

It takes two to negotiate. If one of the parties doesn't want to negotiate, what is needed then is leadership around that particular roadblock.


Considering the leadership in question (McConnell) doesn't want to negotiate, that's going to be a tough call.
 
2012-07-20 12:47:37 PM
If conservative Americans had half a brain and could think for themselves, they would vote for Obama en mass along with the centre. Meanwhile, the left would vote Green and the Republicans would become the fringe party that they deserve to be.
 
2012-07-20 12:48:22 PM

Kome: Mike_LowELL: dorko16: These people are cretins, and so are the threadshiatters that will be here shortly to defend this.

It's not my problem that the Republicans want to lower taxes and get the government out of my life, and meanwhile, all the Democrats can offer are shallow talking points.

You use public roads, eat food that is inspected to make sure it meets health and safety guidelines, and the presence of police officers in your area is a huge influence on how protected you are from violent crime. So, maybe shut the f*ck up about wanting lower taxes and less government in your life, because looking around the country those are among the things that go to sh*t first when funds are cut due to less money in the pot resulting from reduced taxes and presence of government. With the level of intelligence you routinely display, you'd have died long ago if it weren't for the government.


Federal highways are already paid for through a gas tax, not income or corporate taxes.
According to Fast Food Nation, the USDA is pretty toothless.
Cops are locally funded, not federally.
 
2012-07-20 12:54:38 PM

Dog Welder: Rent Party: rewind2846: dorko16: Coco LaFemme: My guess would be all of them. I don't envy the man for the job he has. Sure the idea of being President is fun, but that's all that is fun - the idea of it. It's a grueling, arduous position that ages you exponentially. Add to that the bullshiat he's had to deal with from the Republitards, and I'm shocked he didn't pull and LBJ and refuse to run again.

I'd have way more respect for him at this point if he'd actually call this bullshiat out - they're never ever ever (ever) going to work with him, so he might as well.

While this may be a fun fantasy, I have more respect for the man that he DOESN'T do this.
Politics, especially on a national level, is all about negotiation.

It takes two to negotiate. If one of the parties doesn't want to negotiate, what is needed then is leadership around that particular roadblock.

Considering the leadership in question (McConnell) doesn't want to negotiate, that's going to be a tough call.


That's precisely my point. The GOP has no interest in negotiating, and never has. What is necessary right now is leadership on the D's side to work around that. Having the Senate do away with the filibuster forever is a bold move in the right direction. That could be done tomorrow.
 
2012-07-20 01:09:00 PM

jmr61: The GOP should be burned to death.

Wholly and completely.


Perhaps they will.
"DIAF" Jesus Christ (paraphrased) Matthew 25:41
 
2012-07-20 01:12:22 PM
Gosh, I wonder where Skinny, Bill, and E.Dude have gotten off too. I would love to hear their concise take on this important topic.

*Cricket Chirps*

*Tumbleweed*

Well not really.
 
2012-07-20 01:15:00 PM

BeesNuts: In God we trust. All others bring data.


I like that. Someone should put that on a t-shirt. For statisticians, maths, and physics nerds. Or wannabe-nerds. Whoever buys them, basically.
 
2012-07-20 01:17:09 PM

Rent Party: Dog Welder: Rent Party: rewind2846: dorko16: Coco LaFemme: My guess would be all of them. I don't envy the man for the job he has. Sure the idea of being President is fun, but that's all that is fun - the idea of it. It's a grueling, arduous position that ages you exponentially. Add to that the bullshiat he's had to deal with from the Republitards, and I'm shocked he didn't pull and LBJ and refuse to run again.

I'd have way more respect for him at this point if he'd actually call this bullshiat out - they're never ever ever (ever) going to work with him, so he might as well.

While this may be a fun fantasy, I have more respect for the man that he DOESN'T do this.
Politics, especially on a national level, is all about negotiation.

It takes two to negotiate. If one of the parties doesn't want to negotiate, what is needed then is leadership around that particular roadblock.

Considering the leadership in question (McConnell) doesn't want to negotiate, that's going to be a tough call.

That's precisely my point. The GOP has no interest in negotiating, and never has. What is necessary right now is leadership on the D's side to work around that. Having the Senate do away with the filibuster forever is a bold move in the right direction. That could be done tomorrow.


The filibuster is allowed in the U.S. Constitution in the Senate.

The current rules of the filibuster work both ways. The Democrats used it rather extensively while Bush was in office, so they were hesitant to change the rules when it benefited them. If the Republicans gain seats in the Senate (likely) and maintain control of the House (likely) the filibuster might be the only thing the Democrats have at their disposal to prevent the crazy shiat from happening (repeal of Obamacare, more tax breaks for the rich, etc.) and will be thankful they have it.
 
2012-07-20 01:20:52 PM
Methinks they simply have new alts so they can keep up their job as the GOP 50 cent army. Mehtinks skinny is 1 pound of smegma.
 
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