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(CNN)   GOP: Whar jobs Obama? Obama: Here's a bill that would give tax breaks for companies that "insource" jobs to the U.S. from overseas while eliminating tax deductions for companies that move jobs abroad. GOP: We won't allow vote   (cnn.com) divider line 357
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2012-07-20 12:06:47 AM

MyRandomName: I love how liberals are yearning for the days of protectionist policy, Hoover would be so proud!


It's the Republican dream, to have us competing with slave prison labor from China.
 
2012-07-20 12:10:10 AM

propasaurus: King Something: The Republican Party hates America because a black Democrat is President

The Republican Party hates America more now because a black Democrat is President, but they've actively hated Americans for about 30 years or more.


You may be right, but that doesn't mean that I'm not also right. While they have hated the people of the country for quite some time (at least since Teddy Roosevelt was forced to run on the Bull Moose Party because he was too liberal for the GOP, if not earlier), they haven't actively, deliberately and maliciously tried to destroy the country itself before Obama became President.

Filibustering their own bills simply because Obama approves of even the most minor provisions therein, refusing to officially take vacation for the sole purpose of denying Obama the opportunity to make recess appointments (while only checking in for 5 minutes one every three days just to say they're not on vacation) and intentionally hamstringing the country's ability to borrow money from other countries for decades to come just to make Obama look bad are just three examples of the GOP's outright Hatred-with-a-capital-H of the Person Who Annoys Them-In-Chief.

/if some foreign nation-state's parliament decided to pass a formal declaration of war against the US and Obama held a joint session of Congress for the purpose of responding in kind, the 1- or 2-page resolution to declare war against that other country would fail along party lines (House GOP voting against it and Senate GOP filibustering it unless the Democrats add about 9,001 pages of codifying GOP talking points, campaign slogans and general-purpose fap-fodder into law; and it would still end up being a party-line vote, with the Dems voting to support the war effort and the GOP voting to surrender so hard that the French make fun of us just to make sure that Obama loses the war)
 
2012-07-20 12:11:56 AM

KiltedBastich: Kome: Mike_LowELL: dorko16: These people are cretins, and so are the threadshiatters that will be here shortly to defend this.

It's not my problem that the Republicans want to lower taxes and get the government out of my life, and meanwhile, all the Democrats can offer are shallow talking points.

You use public roads, eat food that is inspected to make sure it meets health and safety guidelines, and the presence of police officers in your area is a huge influence on how protected you are from violent crime. So, maybe shut the f*ck up about wanting lower taxes and less government in your life, because looking around the country those are among the things that go to sh*t first when funds are cut due to less money in the pot resulting from reduced taxes and presence of government. With the level of intelligence you routinely display, you'd have died long ago if it weren't for the government.

Psst, Kome, you're responding to a comedic troll. He posts this over the top stuff on purpose for the lulz. I think you just tripped over Poe's Law.


And don't feel bad about it, I fell for it the other day too.
 
2012-07-20 12:12:04 AM
Weren't these Republican and TEAliban jackwagons supposedly voted in to help create jobs? And yet, when faced with a bill that would create incentives for bringing jobs back to the US and remove tax breaks for outsourcing, they kill it immediately?

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

/The Greedy Ol' Pricks just gave Obama some choice campaign fodder on a silver platter
//Of course the TEAliban will hail this move to stick it to the Blah-Person-In-Chief even as their jobs are shipped off to Asia
 
2012-07-20 12:13:05 AM
Republicans say that tax cuts put more money in peoples pockets and they will use it to spend and invest, which create jobs. If we raise wages people will have more money to spend and invest, which will create jobs. Tax cuts are a once a year thing, while higher wages are a weekly thing.

In other words, raising wages are 52 times better than tax cuts.
 
2012-07-20 12:13:23 AM

TimonC346: KiltedBastich: Kome: Mike_LowELL: dorko16: These people are cretins, and so are the threadshiatters that will be here shortly to defend this.

It's not my problem that the Republicans want to lower taxes and get the government out of my life, and meanwhile, all the Democrats can offer are shallow talking points.

You use public roads, eat food that is inspected to make sure it meets health and safety guidelines, and the presence of police officers in your area is a huge influence on how protected you are from violent crime. So, maybe shut the f*ck up about wanting lower taxes and less government in your life, because looking around the country those are among the things that go to sh*t first when funds are cut due to less money in the pot resulting from reduced taxes and presence of government. With the level of intelligence you routinely display, you'd have died long ago if it weren't for the government.

Psst, Kome, you're responding to a comedic troll. He posts this over the top stuff on purpose for the lulz. I think you just tripped over Poe's Law.

And don't feel bad about it, I fell for it the other day too.


Everybody falls for it at one point or another.
He's just. that. good.
 
2012-07-20 12:15:22 AM

Nucleus: propasaurus: Mrtraveler01: This doesn't make any sense to me:

Does Texas give Dell tax incentives to move operations to Tennessee?

So why should the US give Dell tax incentives to move to India?

Jobs in Tennessee still count against the national unemployment rate.


Interesting. I just realized there's a Smart, and a Funny, but no stupid button. That's really too bad.


The politics tab articles and comments alone would cause fark's servers to implode if that button existed.
 
2012-07-20 12:16:28 AM
Mother of God, 101 posts and I didn't see one defense of the bill (though there were some hidden comments)

Coco LaFemme: I know he'd never do it, but I'd love to see Obama just once, call these assholes out for the assholes they are. I don't mean vaguely insinuate the GOP has been obstructionist his whole term. I mean actually calling them assholes. Can you imagine the butthurt if Obama said, "You know what? Fark these asshole clowns. I'm trying to do good for this farking country, and these needle-dicked pussies are blocking everything because they want the country to fail just to fark me over. I hope they eat shiat and die."

Like I said, it'll never happen, but a girl can dream.


Win
 
2012-07-20 12:18:01 AM

Nucleus: propasaurus: Mrtraveler01: This doesn't make any sense to me:

Does Texas give Dell tax incentives to move operations to Tennessee?

So why should the US give Dell tax incentives to move to India?

Jobs in Tennessee still count against the national unemployment rate.


Interesting. I just realized there's a Smart, and a Funny, but no stupid button. That's really too bad.


Point is, as I said before, I think a large part of the GOP's position is to do everything they can to keep unemployment in the U.S. high. Which is one reason why they're OK with giving tax breaks to companies to relocate jobs to India or China or elsewhere.
 
2012-07-20 12:20:39 AM
Sure because NOW he's going to solve the one main issue that he has done nothing about since getting to office. Get a life - WORST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY
 
2012-07-20 12:20:41 AM
If the democrats cant skewer them to death on this they dont deserve to be consodered a serious political party
 
2012-07-20 12:22:35 AM

Mrtraveler01: The job of the government shouldn't be to give companies an incentive to move jobs out of the country.


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2012-07-20 12:24:42 AM

MyRandomName: I love how liberals are yearning for the days of protectionist policy, Hoover would be so proud!


Why don't you want to protect America?
 
2012-07-20 12:25:43 AM

thomps: kg2095: thomps: Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, had warned Democrats before the vote that his party would want to amend the bill -- possibly with hot-button issues like repealing the health care reform law or extending the Bush-era tax cuts for all income levels.

this is why we can't have nice things.

That sort of thing should be illegal. There should be no riders allowed on any bills or punishment for touching underage buttholes.

i've amended your post and now consider you to be a sick and terrible person.


If you were here in front of me now I'd break your jaw for that.
 
2012-07-20 12:26:25 AM

pstawicki: Sure because NOW he's going to solve the one main issue that he has done nothing about since getting to office. Get a life - WORST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY


You need to look up the meaning of the word "worst."
 
2012-07-20 12:27:06 AM
I was really hoping to see one of the resident conservatives defend this, but it doesn't look like they're even bothering. I wish we had some actual, honest Republicans around to explain how this can be seen as anything other than obstructionism at the expense of the American economy and jobs. Oh well.
 
2012-07-20 12:28:29 AM

kg2095: thomps: kg2095: thomps: Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, had warned Democrats before the vote that his party would want to amend the bill -- possibly with hot-button issues like repealing the health care reform law or extending the Bush-era tax cuts for all income levels.

this is why we can't have nice things.

That sort of thing should be illegal. There should be no riders allowed on any bills or punishment for touching underage buttholes.

i've amended your post and now consider you to be a sick and terrible person.

If you were here in front of me now I'd break your jaw for that.


your partisan unwillingness to compromise is what's wrong with politics today.
 
2012-07-20 12:29:15 AM
Mitch McConnell should be tarred and feathered, what a broken record this guy is! Hes the walking definition of butt-hurt! wanting to amend this bill with "health care reform law or extending the Bush-era tax cuts is not a "hot-button issue" to anyone except disgruntled sore losers that ineffectively attempt to mask their deep seeded racism that their daddy paddled into them at age four! Seriously, This should be a front page story! Can't President Obama issue an executive order on this motion, and finally go around these obstructionist fossils, I think the American people would gladly back him!
 
2012-07-20 12:31:12 AM

pstawicki: Sure because NOW he's going to solve the one main issue that he has done nothing about since getting to office. Get a life - WORST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY


Do you even pay attention?
 
2012-07-20 12:31:13 AM

kg2095: thomps: kg2095: thomps: Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, had warned Democrats before the vote that his party would want to amend the bill -- possibly with hot-button issues like repealing the health care reform law or extending the Bush-era tax cuts for all income levels.

this is why we can't have nice things.

That sort of thing should be illegal. There should be no riders allowed on any bills or punishment for touching underage buttholes.

i've amended your post and now consider you to be a sick and terrible person.

If you were here in front of me now I'd break your jaw for that and then touched your butthole.


I've amended your post as well and now consider you to be funny instead of a pathetic internet toughguy.
 
2012-07-20 12:31:28 AM

Erix: I was really hoping to see one of the resident conservatives defend this, but it doesn't look like they're even bothering. I wish we had some actual, honest Republicans around to explain how this can be seen as anything other than obstructionism at the expense of the American economy and jobs. Oh well.


They're probably waiting on Rush's marching orders.
 
2012-07-20 12:32:57 AM

Lusebagage: Mitch McConnell should be tarred and feathered, what a broken record this guy is! Hes the walking definition of butt-hurt! wanting to amend this bill with "health care reform law or extending the Bush-era tax cuts is not a "hot-button issue" to anyone except disgruntled sore losers that ineffectively attempt to mask their deep seeded racism that their daddy paddled into them at age four! Seriously, This should be a front page story! Can't President Obama issue an executive order on this motion, and finally go around these obstructionist fossils, I think the American people would gladly back him!


The funny/sad thing is that he doesn't even claim that it's him that wants to do it. He says that his party will probably want to do it. So either he's a coward that doesn't want to admit his dickishness, or he's an inept leader that can't manage to control his party long enough to pass a bill that they have no business opposing.
 
2012-07-20 12:34:40 AM

King Something: Erix: I was really hoping to see one of the resident conservatives defend this, but it doesn't look like they're even bothering. I wish we had some actual, honest Republicans around to explain how this can be seen as anything other than obstructionism at the expense of the American economy and jobs. Oh well.

They're probably waiting on Rush's marching orders.


Isn't Mark Levine on at this hour? I guess they don't want to listen to the third shift blowhards.
 
2012-07-20 12:35:28 AM

kg2095: thomps: kg2095: thomps: Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, had warned Democrats before the vote that his party would want to amend the bill -- possibly with hot-button issues like repealing the health care reform law or extending the Bush-era tax cuts for all income levels.

this is why we can't have nice things.

That sort of thing should be illegal. There should be no riders allowed on any bills or punishment for touching underage buttholes.

i've amended your post and now consider you to be a sick and terrible person.

If you were here in front of me now I'd beg you to let me eat ice cream out of your asshole.


I've now amended your post for my own amusement.
 
2012-07-20 12:36:00 AM

DemonEater: OK. So, let me get this straight.

This plan involves TAX CUTS for BUSINESS
Providing they give AMERICANS jobs

And the GOP are AGAINST it? It sounds like EXACTLY the sort of thing they should favour.

Come on, trolls, explain why this is bad.


It's simple. Even with the tax incentives for hiring American, it'd STILL probably be cheaper to send jobs to China and such, because of things like 'Minimum wage' and 'worker safety regulations' and 'child labor laws' and other things that we have here in America that they don't have overseas.
 
2012-07-20 12:36:13 AM

Coco LaFemme:
Sure the idea of being President is fun, but that's all that is fun - the idea of it.


That's because most people confuse "President" with "King", and don't realize that "President" is more of a synonym for "Whipping Boy".
 
2012-07-20 12:39:02 AM

Notabunny: Mrtraveler01: The job of the government shouldn't be to give companies an incentive to move jobs out of the country.

[img.photobucket.com image 508x244]


And one of the reasons Republicans don't realize this is because they're either bought off or the children of the inherited rich and don't understand how the system works. There is absolutely no real reason to vote for Republicans, much less have a Republican Party. At this point its just an easy way to tell gullible people prone to fascism.

That said, Biden is now attacking Republicans on this issue just as expected. Romney can't even run a campaign and this 'party' can't even find a narrative anymore. It's just pathetic to see an obsolete political party winding down.
 
2012-07-20 12:40:36 AM

LordJiro: DemonEater: OK. So, let me get this straight.

This plan involves TAX CUTS for BUSINESS
Providing they give AMERICANS jobs

And the GOP are AGAINST it? It sounds like EXACTLY the sort of thing they should favour.

Come on, trolls, explain why this is bad.

It's simple. Even with the tax incentives for hiring American, it'd STILL probably be cheaper to send jobs to China and such, because of things like 'Minimum wage' and 'worker safety regulations' and 'child labor laws' and other things that we have here in America that they don't have overseas.


that doesn't at all explain why taxing that behavior and/or eliminating tax benefits for that behavior is bad.
 
2012-07-20 12:40:42 AM

AkaDad: pstawicki: Sure because NOW he's going to solve the one main issue that he has done nothing about since getting to office. Get a life - WORST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY

You need to look up the meaning of the word "worst."


Not for nuthin', but you might need to look up the meaning of "troll."
 
2012-07-20 12:40:43 AM
I would add that in addition to NOT voting for this, there is tax code that rewards companies for moving their businesses overseas.

If a company moves all their operations overseas, they can then write off the entire expense of the move at the expense of the American taxpayer.

Democrats, while no angels themselves, are trying to change this law, Republicans will not allow it.

Combine this kind of shiat with the threats to shutdown the government, the shiat the GOP pulled that resulted in the lowering of America's credit rating due to the budget impasse (all over making sure the wealthiest among us get to keep their tax breaks that were supposed to sunset according to the law George W Bush signed,) and the fact the GOP has spent over $50 million dollars voting over 30 times unsuccessfully to repeal the ACA while not doing a single farking thing about creating jobs for Americans and you can see that yes, I was completely serious when I said today's GOP is the greatest threat the United States has ever faced.

No outside enemy will ever destroy this country. The attack is coming from within at the hands of plutocrat chickenhawks who hide behind a crucifix while they steal your life savings.
 
2012-07-20 12:44:23 AM

dorko16: Coco LaFemme: My guess would be all of them. I don't envy the man for the job he has. Sure the idea of being President is fun, but that's all that is fun - the idea of it. It's a grueling, arduous position that ages you exponentially. Add to that the bullshiat he's had to deal with from the Republitards, and I'm shocked he didn't pull and LBJ and refuse to run again.

I'd have way more respect for him at this point if he'd actually call this bullshiat out - they're never ever ever (ever) going to work with him, so he might as well.


He may be waiting till his second term. I can't wait for his 2013 State of the Union Address.
 
2012-07-20 12:45:24 AM
Tax breaks that incentivize behavior? Unpossible!

To be fair, this is exactly the sort of thing I've been talking about for some time. Not blanket tax incentives, but incentives for specific behavior. Choose to NOT bring jobs? No break. You don't get a cookie for just showing up, you have to do your trick first.

Same for investing locally. Same for investing in new technologies here. Folks want breaks when they move their businesses to local areas, this is more of the same. And it's exactly what businesses ask for. Now that they're getting it, from the wrong people, apparently, it's bad. Because folks will have to amend it to make it unpalatable to vote for, because it's not about the jobs, it's about making folks vote against their own legislation. This is exactly the kind of behavior that got us into this mess, because it's about playing the game, not about helping their constituents. Or rather, only helping the ones who keep sending cash in, and only those who send the most...
 
2012-07-20 12:47:41 AM

Gyrfalcon: dorko16: Coco LaFemme: My guess would be all of them. I don't envy the man for the job he has. Sure the idea of being President is fun, but that's all that is fun - the idea of it. It's a grueling, arduous position that ages you exponentially. Add to that the bullshiat he's had to deal with from the Republitards, and I'm shocked he didn't pull and LBJ and refuse to run again.

I'd have way more respect for him at this point if he'd actually call this bullshiat out - they're never ever ever (ever) going to work with him, so he might as well.

He may be waiting till his second term. I can't wait for his 2013 State of the Union Address.


His final State of the Union should consist of:
"fark ALL y'all!"
 
2012-07-20 12:47:59 AM

Notabunny: Economics 101: You can't have a consumer based economy if your consumers can't afford to consume


That's OK, we're well on our way to transitioning to a War based economy, a la 1984.
 
2012-07-20 12:49:50 AM

propasaurus: AkaDad: pstawicki: Sure because NOW he's going to solve the one main issue that he has done nothing about since getting to office. Get a life - WORST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY

You need to look up the meaning of the word "worst."

Not for nuthin', but you might need to look up the meaning of "troll."


Touche.
 
2012-07-20 12:50:02 AM
Guntram Shatterhand:

That said, Biden is now attacking Republicans on this issue just as expected.


Sauce? I'd like to see Biden rip them a new one big enough to drive a Trans-Am through. WHAR R TEH JERBS, REBUBLIKINS, WHAR?!?!

Guntram Shatterhand:

Romney can't even run a campaign and this 'party' can't even find a narrative anymore. It's just pathetic delicious to see an obsolete political party winding down.


FTFY. The Republicans have no pathos for this country. I have none for them. I just hope they don't go off the deep end in their death throes and become the American Taliban for real.
 
2012-07-20 12:54:52 AM
The GOP loves America, like a fat kid loves cake.
They can't wait to consume it.

The GOP are predators, and we are the prey.
 
2012-07-20 12:55:19 AM

InvertedB: MyRandomName: I love how liberals are yearning for the days of protectionist policy, Hoover would be so proud!

Yes, that's exactly what this is. Tariffs on imported goods.

In other news, you're still a retarded troll.


LOLWUT? You been drinking son?
 
2012-07-20 12:57:40 AM

WaitWhatWhy: InvertedB: MyRandomName: I love how liberals are yearning for the days of protectionist policy, Hoover would be so proud!

Yes, that's exactly what this is. Tariffs on imported goods.

In other news, you're still a retarded troll.

LOLWUT? You been drinking son?


No, I was making a point about what it wasn't. There is nothing protectionist about the bill, like tariffs were back in Hoover's day.
 
2012-07-20 01:02:03 AM

Nuff Said McFarky: Guntram Shatterhand:

That said, Biden is now attacking Republicans on this issue just as expected.

Sauce? I'd like to see Biden rip them a new one big enough to drive a Trans-Am through. WHAR R TEH JERBS, REBUBLIKINS, WHAR?!?!

Guntram Shatterhand:

Romney can't even run a campaign and this 'party' can't even find a narrative anymore. It's just pathetic delicious to see an obsolete political party winding down.

FTFY. The Republicans have no pathos for this country. I have none for them. I just hope they don't go off the deep end in their death throes and become the American Taliban for real.


And how in the hell can we tell the difference? Are you shiatting me.

They are determined to run this nation into the dirt, and fark everyone in the ass with a 2x6 as we nosedive.
 
2012-07-20 01:06:24 AM

InvertedB: WaitWhatWhy: InvertedB: MyRandomName: I love how liberals are yearning for the days of protectionist policy, Hoover would be so proud!

Yes, that's exactly what this is. Tariffs on imported goods.

In other news, you're still a retarded troll.

LOLWUT? You been drinking son?

No, I was making a point about what it wasn't. There is nothing protectionist about the bill, like tariffs were back in Hoover's day.


Yeah, I just re-read it. Totally agree that MyRandomBraindamage is a retarded troll, thought he was claiming that this was a tariff bill.
 
2012-07-20 01:07:29 AM
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2012-07-20 01:07:57 AM

hubiestubert: To be fair, this is exactly the sort of thing I've been talking about for some time. Not blanket tax incentives, but incentives for specific behavior. Choose to NOT bring jobs? No break. You don't get a cookie for just showing up, you have to do your trick first.


I agree with this bill, particularly the bit about ending US government funding for moving jobs overseas, but one thing that I don't really get about the US - for all the talk about free markets and getting government out of peoples lives (and compared to the rest of the world both parties do this) the American population almost have a fetish for the government financially rewarding a myriad of behaviors.

This isn't an attack on you (hope it doesn't come across that way) but a mini-rant about using tax incentives for everything under the sun.

In other countries I've lived there may be some of these sorts of incentives (although it's more stick than carrot - e.g. high taxes on Spirits and Tobacco) but they're fewer and farther between and all operate in the background, at least for ordinary folks.

Off the top of my head for the US:

Buy a house - pay fewer taxes, essentially a giveaway to the real estate and mortgage lending industry due inflated costs.
Put health savings money in a very specific savings account with specific rules: pay fewer taxes.
Put retirement savings in a specific type of account with specific rules: pay fewer taxes
Put money in a specific 'flex spending' account: pay fewer taxes than you would if you put the exact same money in your regular account and bought the exact same things the same year from the same vendors.
Employer sponsored pre-tax metro costs: ?! why the hell should you pay more taxes for buying the same ticket on the same day if you paid for it from your wallet?
Childcare - depending on what type of childcare you're paying for you may or may not be able to claim a tax deduction. You are not, however, allowed to pay a stay your home spouse to do the exact same job as you could pay a stranger and claim the taxes on that.
Some of those are really absurd, as they are for items you would buy anyway and the $$$ has to be spent that year, so it's not even an incentive for long term financial plans.

While there are positives for many of these it feels, to someone who didn't grow up with it, that the government really REALLY wants people to behave in a very specific and very conformist way. And, in some cases, make people jump through some daft conformist hoops to spend the exact same money they would have spent anyway, and sometimes to punish not-spending money. And it all makes filing taxes that much more complicated.
 
2012-07-20 01:14:24 AM

wildcardjack: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 800x960]


What was the original Wonka quote? I'm not going to watch that movie again just to figure it out.
 
2012-07-20 01:14:55 AM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: that the government really REALLY wants people to behave in a very specific and very conformist way.


In a few cases it's a way to keep from pushing employers to do it. Instead of having employers provide proper pension plans you have individual retirement accounts. To let employers off the hook for providing health insurance, you have health savings accounts. And on it goes.
 
2012-07-20 01:15:49 AM
Do the Tea party seriously rally around Mittens? I ask because I haven't seen a lot of that support - though I suppose Bachmann endorsed him... right?
 
2012-07-20 01:16:21 AM

LordJiro: It's simple. Even with the tax incentives for hiring American, it'd STILL probably be cheaper to send jobs to China and such, because of things like 'Minimum wage' and 'worker safety regulations' and 'child labor laws' and other things that we have here in America that they don't have overseas.


How sad is that. Those Chinese have more freedoms than us here because of the empty-suit Dictator 0bamao.
 
2012-07-20 01:22:59 AM

TalenLee: Do the Tea party seriously rally around Mittens? I ask because I haven't seen a lot of that support - though I suppose Bachmann endorsed him... right?


It's like being on the playground and picking teams and the only person you know is this one kid from school, who you don't really like, it's not that you dislike him or anything, but you don't really like him either. You pick him for your team cause well you don't know anyone else, not so much because you necessarily want to.
 
2012-07-20 01:25:05 AM
i596.photobucket.com

"If he's FER it, Ah'm AGIN it!"
 
2012-07-20 01:32:19 AM

Guntram Shatterhand: Notabunny: Mrtraveler01: The job of the government shouldn't be to give companies an incentive to move jobs out of the country.

[img.photobucket.com image 508x244]

And one of the reasons Republicans don't realize this is because they're either bought off or the children of the inherited rich and don't understand how the system works. There is absolutely no real reason to vote for Republicans, much less have a Republican Party. At this point its just an easy way to tell gullible people prone to fascism.

That said, Biden is now attacking Republicans on this issue just as expected. Romney can't even run a campaign and this 'party' can't even find a narrative anymore. It's just pathetic to see an obsolete political party winding down.


I think you're spot on about the GOP not really having a narrative anymore.

As for the party dying... I dunno. One sure fire way to tell is if Fox news viewership in decline. Does anyone in this thread have a good source for that data on hand?
 
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