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2012-07-20 04:07:36 AM

douchebag/hater: And yes, I understand that if it was my child I would feel differently. But those are feelings not science.


Oh, I know. I'm all for vaccines. In my case the military doctors had never even heard of anyone being allergic to smallpox vaccine. And it's not even an inoculation. They just scratch your arm. I had no lasting effects, just the initial almost dying thing. However, if I had kids I'd only allow them to be vaccinated for smallpox under a doctor's close supervision. Just to be safe.
 
2012-07-20 04:15:18 AM

pellies: gadian: sno man: Having kids changes everything, and a responsible parent does EVERYTHING to help/encourage/enrich/and not harm there kids. If doing a thing that should help protect your kid and it kills them... You would seriously do it again to your next kid? Without even a little thinking what if it happens again?

I get the Greater Good thing, honest, my kid is vaxed. But...

I would totally do it again. My son is the best, cutest, brightest kid on the planet (to me his mom), but if I lost him due to vaccine, you bet your damn ass I'd still have any potential unborn kids vaccinated unless the doctor said not to. It isn't hereditary.

The factors that lead to an allergic reaction or other reaction probably are hereditary.


It's definitely worth being cautious if you have any reason to suspect an allergy but not avoid completely unless a doctor says to. I have a weird, fairly rare food allergy (sides of throat get tight, throat swells and gets wheezy, lightheaded, shallow breathing, etc) and I've noticed a first cousin that I'm convinced has it too. Certain cuisines that use it a lot make her throw up, we both had a weird reaction to the food when the rest of the family was fine, and she just chooses super bland food now when she eats out (I risk it and carry meds). It definitely seems to me that there's a certain hereditary aspect.
 
2012-07-20 05:06:17 AM
Life and death arguments aside, are all these parents who refuse to vaccinate their children planning on home schooling them? Because surely there's no way these kids are going to be admitted to public schools (not sure about private) without their shots. Will they expect the government to start opening vax and non-vax schools so we can segregate children based on whether or not they've had their shots?

Also, adults need boosters, especially if you're expecting children. Get a TDaP before your child is born.
 
2012-07-20 05:33:25 AM

meat0918: And this btw is a self correcting problem. A sad sad self correcting problem.

Once a few high profile babies die from an otherwise preventable disease, people will get their kids vaccinated again.


The only problem with that is the collateral it causes.
 
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2012-07-20 05:52:33 AM

exvaxman: As I say in all of these threads, my daughter was killed by a reaction to the pertussis vaccine. You make your own choices, I am not anti-vaccination, but my son did not get the pertussis vaccine in any form.


Vaccines are about probability. 1 in 10,000 may die if not vaccinated and 1 in 1,000,000 die if vaccinated. It makes sense when you look at it from a large scale, but is always hard when you are the 1 even if so many others were spared.
 
2012-07-20 07:48:12 AM

exvaxman: As I say in all of these threads, my daughter was killed by a reaction to the pertussis vaccine. You make your own choices, I am not anti-vaccination, but my son did not get the pertussis vaccine in any form.


Your one child vs the lives of maybe tens of thousands. Your a horrible person if you think your child is worth more then countless others.
 
2012-07-20 07:58:49 AM
Our kids got the shots, but absolutely not on the CDC schedule.
We spread them out so that they only got two at a time.
 
2012-07-20 07:59:04 AM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: exvaxman: As I say in all of these threads, my daughter was killed by a reaction to the pertussis vaccine. You make your own choices, I am not anti-vaccination, but my son did not get the pertussis vaccine in any form.

I was almost killed by smallpox vaccine when I was 2. My arm and throat swelled up, they had to intubate me. Was tine-tested in the Army, because they wouldn't believe me. Same result. Allergic reaction.


Smallpox killed 300 million people in the 20th century. It was eradicated worldwide in by 1977 due to...wait for it.. the vaccine.

The smallpox vaccine has not been given since 1979 and yet 100 million people over the last 30 years are still alive because the disease was wiped off the face of the earth. Let that sink in- 100 million people saved.

So, thank you for going through that scary reaction to the smallpox vaccine back in the day and thank your parents for giving you that vaccine. They contributed to saving millions of lives and the greater good through their actions.

As for the tine test the army gave you- that was a test for TB and had nothing to do with small pox. For you to have a severe allergic reaction to both is highly unlikely.
 
2012-07-20 08:18:17 AM

GAT_00: Oh right, I forgot, I'm not allowed to talk about kids unless I have them, and I'm certainly not allowed to express my opinion, especially not when failure to act as a responsible parent can give me a deadly disease.


Actually, not really and of course not.
Having kids changes how you think about society and what's actually important to the group, or at least it should change the way you view your world. If you are susceptible to a deadly disease, that's probably because of choices you've made, for example not getting vaccinated. But when you are both not a parent and you opinion goes against the best medical evidence available, you might as well be talking gibberish and I will ignore you. Also, why are you castigating others for not doing something you yourself have not done? (Barring medical reasons, of course.)

So, to recap: 1) No, your opinion doesn't count because your not having kids gives you a fundamentally different -- and irrelevant -- outlook on parenting. 2) Your refusal to protect yourself eliminates your right to criticize anyone else who behaves as you do.
 
2012-07-20 08:27:51 AM
Generational amnesia.

We need to have a lot more kids die before the precious snowflake generation wakes up and realize they're not the center of the universe.
 
2012-07-20 08:32:30 AM

exvaxman: As I say in all of these threads, my daughter was killed by a reaction to the pertussis vaccine. You make your own choices, I am not anti-vaccination, but my son did not get the pertussis vaccine in any form.


More children are killed in car accidents, or drowning, or by food allergies like nuts/peanuts. Parents don't stop doing all those things.

I am sorry for your loss, but exceptions do not disprove the general in case. In general vaccinations do more good than harm.
 
2012-07-20 08:32:41 AM

timujin: I have a solution. 'm willing to do my best to help humanity and try to fark the crazy right out of her.

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I don't think a triple team of John Holmes, Ron Jeremy and Long Dong Silver has enough penis to
do that, alas.

/She really is quite sexiful, when you forget how reckelessly ignorant she is.
 
2012-07-20 08:35:02 AM

exvaxman: As I say in all of these threads, my daughter was killed by a reaction to the pertussis vaccine. You make your own choices, I am not anti-vaccination, but my son did not get the pertussis vaccine in any form.


My father was killed by an infection he got at a hospital. There is no WAY I am ever letting MY child go to the hospital no matter what!
 
2012-07-20 08:59:23 AM

SpectroBoy: My father was killed by an infection he got at a hospital. There is no WAY I am ever letting MY child go to the hospital no matter what!


But your child is not your father.
 
2012-07-20 09:07:10 AM

Satanic_Hamster: I saw one of those small crappy road signs in the medium of Mason Road in Katy Texas today that advertised an anti-vax website. If traffic wasn't so heavy I would have pulled over to yank it down. Never seen that crap in "real life" before.


Texas has its own brand of stupid.
 
2012-07-20 09:17:25 AM

Dog Welder: Satanic_Hamster: I saw one of those small crappy road signs in the medium of Mason Road in Katy Texas today that advertised an anti-vax website. If traffic wasn't so heavy I would have pulled over to yank it down. Never seen that crap in "real life" before.

Texas has its own brand of stupid.


Does anyone have a pic of this sign?
 
2012-07-20 09:36:27 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: But your child is not your father.


So if a child of mine died in the hospital are you saying never take another child to the hospital?!?

What's your point?
 
2012-07-20 09:55:40 AM
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2012-07-20 10:50:46 AM
Oh God said to Abraham, "Kill me a son"
Abe says, "Man, you must be puttin' me on"
God say, "No." Abe say, "What?"
God say, "You can do what you want Abe, but
The next time you see me comin' you better run"
Well Abe says, "Where do you want this killin' done?"
God says, "Out on Highway 61"


As a society, we mostly recognize that sacrificing our kids to god in the name of religion is a terrible thing.

Vaccination injuries are a matter of probability, and subject to a cost benefit analysis, and so we need to recognize some children will be hurt, or even killed.

So when exvaxman or others experience these losses, our response should not be to tell them how wrong they are for feeling as they do.

Similarly, knowing that children will be injured or killed by vaccines tells me that only in the most extreme cases should vaccines be mandatory, or mandatory opt-out. All other vaccines should be opt-in where we teach, and encourage people to get vaccines, and make vaccines widely available and inexpensive.

Yes, that means that society may experience more deaths due to illness than necessary in a mandatory, or mandatory opt-out regime, but for me, it is similar to the notion of n-guilty men. As a society, we are already willing to put up with 100 guilty people going free, so that we never jail an innocent person.
 
2012-07-20 10:58:30 AM

sno man: Having kids changes everything, and a responsible parent does EVERYTHING to help/encourage/enrich/and not harm there kids. If doing a thing that should help protect your kid and it kills them... You would seriously do it again to your next kid? Without even a little thinking what if it happens again?


No one says it won't be terrifying. We're judging you for choosing the option that long term dramatically increases their chance of harm because you are letting your lizard brain overwhelm your logical faculties in the short term. When I was teenager, I had a potentially life threatening reaction to anesthetic during surgery. It resulted in collapsed veins in my arm. I've still had to have several other surgeries under general anesthetic. Not having those surgeries, as scary as they were, would have opened me up to greater harm.
 
2012-07-20 11:02:16 AM

RoyBatty: Similarly, knowing that children will be injured or killed by vaccines tells me that only in the most extreme cases should vaccines be mandatory, or mandatory opt-out. All other vaccines should be opt-in where we teach, and encourage people to get vaccines, and make vaccines widely available and inexpensive.

Yes, that means that society may experience more deaths due to illness than necessary in a mandatory, or mandatory opt-out regime, but for me, it is similar to the notion of n-guilty men. As a society, we are already willing to put up with 100 guilty people going free, so that we never jail an innocent person.


Problem with opt-out is that if too many do it the whole thing is negated.

As for protecting the innocent from being jailed, you're forgetting Texas.
 
2012-07-20 11:17:12 AM

whitman00: As for the tine test the army gave you- that was a test for TB and had nothing to do with small pox.


No, it was just as I described. At Tripler Army Hospital, I was admitted into their allergy ward, where I was given 1/50th of a dose of smallpox vaccine, administered by scratching my arm without use of a vaccination needle. Within a half hour, I was in their ICU. Basically, I'm allergic to cowpox, I guess.
 
2012-07-20 11:45:25 AM

snuff3r: exvaxman: As I say in all of these threads, my daughter was killed by a reaction to the pertussis vaccine. You make your own choices, I am not anti-vaccination, but my son did not get the pertussis vaccine in any form.

Sorry to hear, i too have lost a child and it's the worst thing my wife and I have ever had to deal with. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

Having said that, by not vaccinating children it puts a far greater number of children at risk and this isn't a valid reason for educating others out of doing it. Some kids die from bee stings, some from sesame seeds, some vaccinations. You can't account for randomness. Flip-side to your comment, i've met several people through support groups (when we were dealing with our loss) who lost kids to preventable diseases because others decided to not vaccinate. It's selfish and irresponsible to not do it.


Not only does it put kids at risk (who are too young for the jab, or who for medical reasons CAN'T get the jab--which frankly should be the only two exemptions to getting the jab in the first place!) but it can put adults at risk, too.

For starters, there is no approved pertussis vaccine for adults; secondly, pertussis is often misdiagnosed in adults as a cold or bronchitis; thirdly, pertussis can potentially be just as deadly in certain populations of adults...namely, the same groups of adults who are routinely recommended to get the pneumonia shot and thus are considered "immunocompromised".

And no, we're not just talking folks with end-stage HIV disease or folks on marrow-depleting chemo for leukemia or lymphoma; we're talking elderly folks (who tend to get pneumonia easier and might not have their "childhood immunity"), we're talking asthmatics (who tend to get any crud that goes to the lungs or bronchial tubes on a GOOD day--doubly so if they're bad enough they're on systemic steroids), we're talking folks on prednisone for whatever reason (anything from cancer to chronic inflammatory diseases), we're talking folks with Crohn's Disease and rheumatoid arthritis and psoriasis and organ transplant recipients on immunosuppressants (also in that fun class that can't have "live virus" jabs), we're even talking diabetics (whom can get very sick from pertussis, and can be thrown into a glycemic crisis to boot just like with any other infection)...

Think of your fellow man and get the damn jab for your kids :P
 
2012-07-20 12:04:40 PM

exvaxman: As I say in all of these threads, my daughter was killed by a reaction to the pertussis vaccine. You make your own choices, I am not anti-vaccination, but my son did not get the pertussis vaccine in any form.


I had an uncle who died of complications from carbon monoxide poisoning resulting from sleeping in a tractor-trailer with a bad exhaust system. No farking way am I getting anything shipped by truck again to keep other truckers from that risk!

...Actually...no, I'm not boycotting the entire trucking industry (that'd be kind of impossible, seeing as I'd have to functionally disown a few members of my immediate family to boot). Instead, I tend to concentrate more on having those folks I DO know in the trucking industry make sure the exhaust system in their trucks isn't leaking into the cab and promote the use of portable CO detectors (of the sort you can get for RVs).

The equivalent in your case would be to consult with a physician (and by this I mean "someone with an actual 'MD' or 'DO' by their name, not the chiropractor who boils down your asthma to subluxations or the 'naturopath' who likes to throw cat's claw at everything that ails you) and discuss the risk with him as to whether or not your son should get the jab (it could have been an unfortunate isolated incident, or it could be a sign of something familial that needs to be watched--only a real doctor can tell for sure, though).

In your specific case I'd definitely want some professional consultation first, especially if either of your kids had a history of a seizure disorder (that tends to be the 'biggie' known risk factor with the old DPT shot, and is the main reason the safer DPaT shot now exists) or a possible immune disorder (which puts your son squarely in the "kids who are protected indirectly by OTHER people giving their kids the jab" category, same as if your kid had leukemia). Still, if your doctor agrees that the benefits outweigh the risk, I'd go with the doc's recommendation. (Among other things, there are alternate immunisation schedules that can be followed if there's concern that the child's immune system or nervous system may be immature.)
 
2012-07-20 12:21:58 PM

kingoomieiii: Giltric: What percentage of the victims were illegal aliens?

I mean if the majority of them were white....maybe we can blame Jenny Mccarthy....but how often do third world countries like Mexico vaccinate their populace?

Mexico isn't a third-world country. It also has universal healthcare. And many, many world-class hospitals. And lower healthcare costs than we have. So, a bunch.

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This.

Hell, about the only countries (outside of English-speaking Western countries) that I know of that have active anti-vax campaigns are (of all things) Wahhabist groups not even in full control of a territory--Boko Haram in Nigeria, Al-Shabaab in Somalia, the Taliban in eastern Afghanistan and western Pakistan.

Oh, those Wahhabist groups are also pretty much the only reason polio still exists at all. We well could have gotten rid of polio forever were it not for a bunch of religionationalist asshats basically claiming that since the vaccine is from Westerners it is by default haram and not letting vaccination crews into the areas.

One could scream DARWIN!!!11one!...except that thanks to the actions of said religionationalist asshats, there is now quite the polio epidemic occuring in even countries that have the misfortune to be next-door neighbours to religionationalist-infested parts of the world. (This includes a few countries full of moderate Moslems who think the Wahhabists are farking nuts and generally look at them the way that most mainline Christians in the West look at the likes of the New Apostolic Reformation and other assorted Jesus Camper types.)

Thanks to said religionationalist asshats, the second disease eradicated from humans is not likely to be polio but (of all things) guinea worm infestation, and the latter because (thankfully) the areas where guinea worm infestation occurs are NOT an overlapping set with parts of the world run by anti-vax religionationalist asshats.

And lest one thing "Oh, those SILLY Islamists!"--there's some increasing populations of this sort of insanity among our own NARasitic Jesus Campers and fundie-religionationalists. (One of the big urban legends that is actually being used to exempt kids from vaccination--the claim that apparently practically all vaccines are made with CELLS FROM ABORTED FETUSES OH NOES! Dominionists are using this in "religious exemption" forms for keeping their kids from getting the jab, and there's even handy forms being handed out on how to claim "religious exemption"; worryingly, this is even spreading into Catholic circles (due to the anti-abortion crossover between Protestant dominionists and ultramontaine Catholics) and "homeschool" correspondence-schooling is increasingly promoted as a way to "opt out without opting out".

(Even this would be less worrisome were it not for the fact that dominionist medical associations exist promoting this inanity, notably the "American College of Pediatricians" (a dominionist "Christian alternative" to the legitimate American Academy of Pediatrics) and the "Christian Medical and Dental Association" (which promotes itself as a dominionist "Christian alternative" to the legitimate AMA and ADA). It would also be less frightening were there not known foci of preventable diseases that have been specifically linked to fundamentalist groups here in the US who are anti-vax due to a belief in "faith healing".)
 
2012-07-20 12:39:08 PM

FormlessOne: Fluorescent Testicle: pellies: That other hypothetical child would have a similar genetic profile and a greatly increased chance of having a similar reaction. Can you understand that?

Yes, it's too bad that it's simply not possible to test for a possible reaction before giving the full vaccine.

... Oh, wait.

And if that was applicable to vaccine sensitivity, that would've helped me. Oh, wait...

As the scientific article makes pretty clear, "severe allergic reactions to vaccines are rare and difficult to predict." One of the factors, especially for a non-immediate reaction (like the one I'd have to worry about) is quantity - neither a blood nor skin allergy test will trigger a reaction in that case.

I was told, flat out, by a doctor, that it would be a gamble to take any of the four commonly available vaccines. At best, I'm stuck taking tetanus immune globulin in emergency situations.


Well, thankfully tetanus immune globulin is available...if you react that badly to tetanus toxoid, Gods help you if you actually got honest-to-Dog tetanus. (And please don't go stepping on rusty nails in cow pastures; we want to keep you around for awhile. :D)

Which actually brings up a point--if someone has a horrible reaction to a vaccine, and it's a reaction to an active component in the vaccine (rather than a culture medium or binding agent--as is the case with folks who can't get shots due to egg allergies--or due to a reaction to the preservative) it's almost 110% certain that they'd react far, far worse to the actual disease...the sad fact is that anyone who would die due to a bad reaction to a vaccine (where it's actually the active component of the vaccine that's at fault) would probably also die from the disease being protected against.

And yes, a lot of kids DID die from what was seen as a particularly severe course of disease in the days when the only method of "immunisation" involved "pox parties" so that kids could "catch it and be done with it" (due to the fact that some diseases--chickenpox, measles and mumps particularly--could be far, far worse in adults than children). Yes, even with chickenpox (which was seen mostly as something that made you miserable in the pre-vax era) there were kids who died of it every year--and not necessarily kids with leukemia or with an immune disorder, either.

Which is why people who DON'T have horrid reactions to the jab should have it so that folks who DO can be protected--if there's not enough "fertile ground" for a crud to spread, it should die out before reaching folks it could actually kill (that's the principle behind "herd immunity").

Nobody is saying that people who have had a bad reaction to a shot or who have a documented medical history that contraindicates a shot should have them (FormlessOne, you'd be in the latter category, you have an actual documented medical history of a hereditary contraindication) but those who can have the shot should do so to protect those who can't and whom are (ironically) the most likely to have a particularly severe reaction to the disease.
 
2012-07-20 12:49:29 PM

geek_mars: Life and death arguments aside, are all these parents who refuse to vaccinate their children planning on home schooling them? Because surely there's no way these kids are going to be admitted to public schools (not sure about private) without their shots. Will they expect the government to start opening vax and non-vax schools so we can segregate children based on whether or not they've had their shots?

Also, adults need boosters, especially if you're expecting children. Get a TDaP before your child is born.


Unfortunately, as I noted, they already have answers to this:

a) Almost all states have a "religious exemption" to vaccination that is actually (in practice) more of a "philosophical exemption"--in most cases, filling out a "religious exemption" request does not require a statement from a religious official of any sort (such as a pastor or priest or rabbi or imam). (If memory serves me right, the only state that does NOT have such an exemption is Oregon and this is due to many deaths associated with a "faith-healing" cult in that state; the removal of their exemption is also very recent.)

b) Typically the requirement for vaccination only applies to public schools, so private schools and "homeschooling" (both actual legitimate home education and dominionist correspondence-schooling falsely marketed as "homeschooling") are promoted explicitly as alternatives to public schooling, especially in states where it's more difficult to get the standard "religious exemption". (And this isn't just with dominionist "Jesus Camper Academies" either--even some parochial schools don't require vaccination, and there are also Montessori schools that have no vaccination requirements.)

c) As I've noted...sadly, there ARE medical associations promoting various kinds of anti-vax urban legends, and in some states the laws regarding having a doctor write an exemption due to "medical contraindication" are so broad that legally a chiropractor can file the paperwork--and yes, anti-vax circles often recommend that a chiropractor file the paperwork in states where they can do so, basically turning them into "exemption mills".
 
2012-07-20 01:23:55 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: whitman00: As for the tine test the army gave you- that was a test for TB and had nothing to do with small pox.

No, it was just as I described. At Tripler Army Hospital, I was admitted into their allergy ward, where I was given 1/50th of a dose of smallpox vaccine, administered by scratching my arm without use of a vaccination needle. Within a half hour, I was in their ICU. Basically, I'm allergic to cowpox, I guess.


Tine tests were for TB but they aren't used anymore. There could also have been a scratch test that the army used in the past for Smallpox and they could have called it a Smallpox tine test, so your story adds up. Sorry you had to have that reaction twice.
 
2012-07-20 02:22:19 PM
I have scrolled this thread and haven't seen a pic of that beautiful baby on top of the piano. I'm on my tablet in the crapper right now, so I don't have access to my baby pics. I hope someone can right this glaring deficit for me!

/this is notta bookmark
 
2012-07-20 04:00:18 PM
One thing that was not mentioned is that just about all the people who have contracted whooping cough in this latest WERE VACCINATED!!! Why oh why oh WHY would anyone who has been injected with vaccines that are "effective" against whatever it is they are being vaccinated against have ANY WORRY IN THE WORLD that they could contract whatever it is they are being vaccinated against? If these vaccines work, there would be no problems associated with them. 24 year old cheerleader has to live a life of seizures now from a FLU SHOT, my stepson was injured by vaccines. You ask the people who make these crap-cines to take them and they will run away from you like you have the PLAGUE! It has been admitted that these are not to help us but to harm us!!!
---DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH PEOPLE---

'Whooping cough in school age children with persistent cough: prospective cohort study in primary care

http://www.bmj.com/content/333/7560/174.abstract

"(85.9%) of these children had been fully immunised."'

Hmmmm, more people that were vaccinated contracted it as opposed to those who weren't...WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2010/sep/07/vaccinated-people-getting-whoopi n g-cough-sd/
 
2012-07-20 04:13:10 PM

Ipherion: One thing that was not mentioned is that just about all the people who have contracted whooping cough in this latest WERE VACCINATED!!! Why oh why oh WHY would anyone who has been injected with vaccines that are "effective" against whatever it is they are being vaccinated against have ANY WORRY IN THE WORLD that they could contract whatever it is they are being vaccinated against? If these vaccines work, there would be no problems associated with them. 24 year old cheerleader has to live a life of seizures now from a FLU SHOT, my stepson was injured by vaccines. You ask the people who make these crap-cines to take them and they will run away from you like you have the PLAGUE! It has been admitted that these are not to help us but to harm us!!!
---DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH PEOPLE---

'Whooping cough in school age children with persistent cough: prospective cohort study in primary care

http://www.bmj.com/content/333/7560/174.abstract

"(85.9%) of these children had been fully immunised."'

Hmmmm, more people that were vaccinated contracted it as opposed to those who weren't...WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2010/sep/07/vaccinated-people-getting-whoopi n g-cough-sd/


The only thing your little threadshiat demonstrates is that not enough people were vaccinated in the areas where people contracted the disease. The vaccines work fantastically - in fact, they're one of the greatest successes of modern medicine if not the greatest - but they only work if a threshold number of people are vaccinated. If people are contracting the disease it only means vaccinations rates need to go up.
 
2012-07-20 06:27:04 PM

Ipherion: One thing that was not mentioned is that just about all the people who have contracted whooping cough in this latest WERE VACCINATED!!! Why oh why oh WHY would anyone who has been injected with vaccines that are "effective" against whatever it is they are being vaccinated against have ANY WORRY IN THE WORLD that they could contract whatever it is they are being vaccinated against? If these vaccines work, there would be no problems associated with them. 24 year old cheerleader has to live a life of seizures now from a FLU SHOT, my stepson was injured by vaccines. You ask the people who make these crap-cines to take them and they will run away from you like you have the PLAGUE! It has been admitted that these are not to help us but to harm us!!!
---DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH PEOPLE---


89.5% is not enough. That's what the research already told us decades ago. Pertussis is not easy to vaccinate against. The immunity doesn't last as long as other vaccines and you need to vaccinate at 2 mo, 4 mo, 6 mo, 15 mo and 5 years of age just to get the immunity up to the best level you can (75-85% with greater effectiveness for more severe disease.) You also need a booster at 11 and then every 10 years.

So, if the vaccine rate is at 95%, the disease remains very controllable. At 90% it starts to falter, at 85%, you get what we have here.

25,000 cases in 2012 (25x the number of cases seen in 1976) with a documented fall in vaccine rates is a pretty solid research.
 
2012-07-20 09:15:15 PM
Had a Tdap shot last year, so I'm getting a kick...

/remember to get your tetanus booster every 10 years!
 
2012-07-21 07:50:49 AM
I heard that oxidization is the cause of all disease and aging.

That's why I no longer allow anyone I know to be exposed to oxygen.

/They gasp when you first tell them,
//Then go blue with rage
///Then they settle down and accept it.
 
2012-07-21 11:38:41 AM
I'll need to have a look at Jenny's "ilk".
 
2012-07-22 12:55:03 AM

Felgraf: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: You happen to know how long after having had it that I need a booster?

Dunno, but I do believe it's also included in most tetanus vaccines these days? The standard DTaP shot is Diptheria, Tetanus, Pertusis.


If so, then you'll want to get it every 10yrs since the Tetanus shot wears off around then.

/had mine in 2001 thanks to a prairie dog bite.
//gotta get my new one.
 
2012-07-23 01:49:11 AM

jake_lex: Some dude I know died because he was allergic to penicillin. This infection I have is pretty bad, but no way in hell am I taking antibiotics, and I won't let my kids have them either.

/all drugs have bad batches
//and all drugs can be allergens


I guess you never realized that there are more antibiotics than penicillin?

/Also allergic to penicillin, and usually take erithromyacin
//Just got done taking a round of ciprofloxan a couple weeks back and, surprise surprise, I'm still here.
 
2012-07-23 02:07:12 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Having kids changes how you think about society and what's actually important to the group, or at least it should change the way you view your world.


That's the exact same faulty logic anti-vaxxers use and it's patently absurd. The way you think about things does usually change after having kids, but it tends to be for the worst since your judgement is then too clouded to think objectively when matters concern children. It's a tragedy of the commons, except it's actually quite tragic. Not having children puts you at a unique standpoint to criticize parents who don't think logically about things like herd immunity and their own lack of foresight when it comes to immunizing their crotch spawn.

/Don't want kids, can't have kids, and there are way too many people in the world as it is.
 
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