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(Blisstree)   Good news: If you're tired of being molested by the TSA at the airport, you can now officially buy your way out of it   (openforum.com) divider line 112
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2012-07-19 05:07:18 PM  
If you have enough money you charter the plane and then you don't have security at all. you can have your limo drop you off at the steps and go right on board while they load all your luggage for you.
 
2012-07-19 05:21:39 PM  
I'm OK with this.
 
2012-07-19 06:26:07 PM  

BSABSVR: I'm OK with this.


After reading this really well-written and descriptive, refreshingly moderate article, I am also OK with this.

/Nah this is sensible.
 
2012-07-19 06:31:49 PM  
TFA: ""But it seems like, especially because of business travelers, early mornings are the most congested at most airports, especially large and regional airports.".. Another slowdown is the infrequent traveler, unfamiliar with security procedures, who arrives wearing knee-high, lace-up boots, and carrying all manner of liquids, sharp objects and other contraband that trigger pat-downs at the checkpoint. Families on vacation are another drag on the process. "If it's the holidays, and families are traveling with little kids, obviously they need more time and are carrying more things," Casanova says."

So.. basically everyone.
 
2012-07-19 06:34:49 PM  
I paid. Get your hands off me you goddamn dirty apes.
 
2012-07-19 07:12:16 PM  
Although necessary, the 2,300 U.S. airport security lines

I stopped reading right there. Metal detectors? Sure. The rest of it? Pure theatre.
 
2012-07-19 07:18:26 PM  
$100 and a trip to a government office for an interview, and you get what?

"avoid removing shoes, belts and outerwear and leave laptops in bags while proceeding through metal detectors."

And you still have to put up with what?

"still subject to patdowns and random screenings. And they may still get stuck behind slower travelers."

Naw.
 
2012-07-19 08:31:43 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Although necessary, the 2,300 U.S. airport security lines

I stopped reading right there. Metal detectors? Sure. The rest of it? Pure theatre.


Yup. I guarantee you that TSA is well aware that they're producting performance art.
 
2012-07-19 08:53:06 PM  
Sign up for NEXUS, pay $50, complete both the US and Canadian interviews, get Global Entry and TSA Precheck for free.
 
2012-07-19 09:01:25 PM  
It's the American way.
 
2012-07-19 09:06:59 PM  
Well that makes me feel secure.
Someone who would actually kill themselves would never spent the money, I'm sure.
 
2012-07-19 09:07:08 PM  
Yay Obama
 
2012-07-19 09:11:36 PM  
Another slowdown is the infrequent traveler, unfamiliar with security procedures, who arrives wearing knee-high, lace-up boots, and carrying all manner of liquids, sharp objects and other contraband that trigger pat-downs at the checkpoint.

She sounds hawt!
 
2012-07-19 09:12:07 PM  

dustman81: Sign up with NEXUS 6, pay $50, complete both the US and Canadian interviews, get Global Entry and TSA Precheck for free.


^
THIS

EIP
 
2012-07-19 09:13:09 PM  

dustman81: Sign up for NEXUS, pay $50, complete both the US and Canadian interviews, get Global Entry and TSA Precheck for free.


I have nexus.. what's this about tsa precheck too?
 
2012-07-19 09:14:49 PM  

RoyBatty: dustman81: Sign up with NEXUS 6, pay $50, complete both the US and Canadian interviews, get Global Entry and TSA Precheck for free.

^
THIS

EIP


I see what you did there.
 
2012-07-19 09:16:20 PM  
I'm guessing that most Farkers against this are the same ones that want to raise everyone's taxes.
 
2012-07-19 09:17:18 PM  
Meh, I don't travel enough to care. I got through the security line in that 20 mins the last time I flew... it wasn't that big a deal.
 
2012-07-19 09:17:58 PM  

pedrop357: RoyBatty: dustman81: Sign up with NEXUS 6, pay $50, complete both the US and Canadian interviews, get Global Entry and TSA Precheck for free.

^
THIS

EIP

I see what you did there.


I saw what you did and failed to notice who you were. I too have seen things they wouldn't believe. Nothing cool like glittering seabeams or anything, but I did see something involving Rachel, a snake and an owl. I would rather have been on a burning attack ship then see that again.
 
2012-07-19 09:18:31 PM  

Walker: I paid. Get your hands off me you goddamn dirty apes.



Oh, the times I've wanted to say this....
 
2012-07-19 09:18:59 PM  

pedrop357: RoyBatty: dustman81: Sign up with NEXUS 6, pay $50, complete both the US and Canadian interviews, get Global Entry and TSA Precheck for free.

^
THIS

EIP

I see what you did there.


It's too bad she won't live...but then again, who does?
 
2012-07-19 09:24:39 PM  

tjfly: I'm guessing that most Farkers against this are the same ones that want to raise everyone's taxes.


I have no problem with this, but I also think that tax rates are too low.

What the hell does the latter have to do with the former?
 
2012-07-19 09:26:29 PM  
I think that's called extortion...
 
2012-07-19 09:28:09 PM  
I'm old enough to remember the late 1960's... before security checkpoints in airports. I remember my first flight around then... thinking to myself "what a hassle, having to arrive a full half hour before your flight departs! I'll bet that by the time I'm an adult, they'll have it streamlined to the point that taking a flight will be as trivial as riding a city bus."

/was very wrong about this.
//still waiting for my aluminum suit and hover-car.
 
2012-07-19 09:29:02 PM  
Good.
 
2012-07-19 09:29:20 PM  
Why bother with that?

I leave everything in my bag, toss it on the belt, and head to the line that looks to be most likely to have the nakedscan take too long so they have to send everyone to the magnetometers anyway.

The TSA doesn't care. I once took a backpack stuffed to the gills with my laptop and about 8 lbs of cheese and 4 lbs of cured meats in plastic containers. They never batted an eye.

Not that large containers of a putty-like substance in large quantities next to materials known to trigger bomb sniffing dogs would be of interest to them. No, they were concerned that my belt might set off the detector.
 
2012-07-19 09:32:24 PM  
That's OK. It's only a matter of time until there's a scare in the rich people's line and they jack up the security there as well.

Over/under: 8 months
 
2012-07-19 09:33:44 PM  
$100 and an "interview" weeds out real Mericans.

shiat, why didn't we figure this out before?
 
2012-07-19 09:34:14 PM  
You don't have to be rich. You can actually get around most of these annoying and invasive security checks simply showing up to the airport nude.
 
2012-07-19 09:34:31 PM  

Rug Doctor: That's OK. It's only a matter of time until there's a scare in the rich people's line and they jack up the security there as well.

Over/under: 8 months


Then it will be $500 and a backrub.
 
2012-07-19 09:37:06 PM  
To be honest, I've never seen the big deal in security pat downs. I traveled today (from Atlanta back to Wisconsin) and was had a pat down. I actually filled out a comment card telling them I appreciated their work and professionalism. It was not invasive or demeaning. I don't get all the hype.

/did not RTFA
//I think that everyone should have to go through the same procedure.
///just sayin'
 
2012-07-19 09:37:34 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Yay Obama


This is actually a good point. I like Obama and will vote for him. But if Romney (or Ron Paul, or whoever) came out today and said straight up, "The TSA is an expensive sham and I will totally disband it on my first day in office," I would really start thinking about switching.
 
2012-07-19 09:37:50 PM  
www.debbieschlussel.com
 
2012-07-19 09:38:34 PM  

thenewmissus: To be honest, I've never seen the big deal in security pat downs. I traveled today (from Atlanta back to Wisconsin) and was had a pat down. I actually filled out a comment card telling them I appreciated their work and professionalism. It was not invasive or demeaning. I don't get all the hype.

/did not RTFA
//I think that everyone should have to go through the same procedure.
///just sayin'


Sorry for that error.
 
2012-07-19 09:42:47 PM  
And yet, they tend not to accept a concealed carry permit as a "state issued picture id". Picture - check. Fingerprints done - check. Background check done by FBI - check.

Why?
 
2012-07-19 09:42:53 PM  
So, american citizens are now automatically presumed to be terrorists until you take an interview and pay up to prove you're apple pie and nascar ?
I remember a time this presumption was granted just by virtue of being born in a 'free' country but I guess times have changed. Men are no longer created equal with unalienable rights, you need to pay a fee and have them assigned to you.
 
2012-07-19 09:43:17 PM  
I was all prepared to rail against the elite buying their way through security with large sums of money, but the idea makes sense. The benefit seems a little uncertain, but it's a work in progress.

I don't think the current security measures do a whole lot, but they're in place and nothing is going to change that for the immediate future. If the TSA is willing to streamline the process for frequent travelers who meet certain criteria, that's fine. And if they charge a small fee, to offset the cost of stuff like background checks, so be it. There is no need to hang up a businessman who flies twice a week, knows the deal at security and can cruise through a checkpoint without raising any issues. A family of five that hasn't flown in years shows up, and there will be problems. Mom wanted to save the bag check fee, so there's a 20 oz shampoo bottle in the carry-on, along with Dad's Tinactin, Little Billy forgot he was carrying his Boy Scout knife, and Dad decides he's going to be an ass about the backscatter machine and opt for the pat-down.

A frequent flier who is a US citizen, has a clean background that has been checked, has shown a little initiative by being willing to go through a small hassle and pay a nominal fee is not going to be even an accidental security threat and should have access to a security "express lane." I'm not saying that they get to sidestep security altogether, just get a line for people who a prescreened as low-threat and also are experienced enough to eliminate the things that cause hangups at the checkpoint.

Disclaimer:
I don't fly often, and would not be a good candidate for this setup. I don't think the current airport security measures are effective, they need to be reworked from the ground up. Like the fictitious father in my example, I'm also an ass that demands a pat-down rather than enter the cancer booth.
 
2012-07-19 09:43:18 PM  

thenewmissus: To be honest, I've never seen the big deal in security pat downs. I traveled today (from Atlanta back to Wisconsin) and was had a pat down. I actually filled out a comment card telling them I appreciated their work and professionalism. It was not invasive or demeaning. I don't get all the hype.

/did not RTFA
//I think that everyone should have to go through the same procedure.
///just sayin'


I'd prefer a patdown. I know you can always technically request one, but at the airports I frequent (Denver, Bay Area, Vegas), they do NOT like it when you decline the scanner.

I don't care if they're happy or not, but they waste a bunch of time to teach you a lesson. It's happened a couple times and I generally don't ask anymore. So I guess they win?
 
2012-07-19 09:44:22 PM  
I've noticed if it's attached to your keychain, you can bring anything through. I have a knife on there and has not been confiscated the three round trips I've taken with it. But on noes my belt and I didn't put my hands up high enough, better make sure I go through the cancer machine twice.
 
2012-07-19 09:46:34 PM  
Or you could strip naked like the dude from Portland.

/my ass is protected speech
 
2012-07-19 09:52:45 PM  

Rug Doctor: Nemo's Brother: Yay Obama

This is actually a good point. I like Obama and will vote for him. But if Romney (or Ron Paul, or whoever) came out today and said straight up, "The TSA is an expensive sham and I will totally disband it on my first day in office," I would really start thinking about switching.


It's a real shame you didn't read into Paul's position on things like the TSA. It's not constitutional, so therefore, it shouldn't exist. That's what he believes, and I agree.
 
2012-07-19 09:57:35 PM  

Or:
You may refuse to fly.
Stand up for your rights as a citizen.
And black list any political candidate or office holder who thinks TSA is a good thing.

TSA MUST DIE


Or you can devo into the sniveling pussies that you are.
 
2012-07-19 10:02:27 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Yay Obama


So, Obama was in office when all this started? And all this time I thought it was the white guy, Bush, yeah that's him. It was Bush not Obama, I remember distinctly that it was some guy named Bush that started this crap. Him and his buddy Osama. It was Obama that caught Osama that's where your confusion is coming from.
 
2012-07-19 10:02:34 PM  
(read article)
(looks at AMEX)

I already have a Sentri pass, and HEY! This would be free. I'm game.
 
2012-07-19 10:03:19 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: $100 and a trip to a government office for an interview, and you get what?

"avoid removing shoes, belts and outerwear and leave laptops in bags while proceeding through metal detectors."

And you still have to put up with what?

"still subject to patdowns and random screenings. And they may still get stuck behind slower travelers."

Naw.


This.

Most people don't care about removing belts and such. A lot of us have to do it to make it through the metal detector anyway. Shoes, while annoying, are not that big of a deal either. Pulling out a labtop is easy and preferred for most of us to sending it through the scanner.

What most of us want to *avoid* are the pat downs, scanners, and random screenings.

This does nothing to address that, so who the fark cares?
 
2012-07-19 10:05:01 PM  
We now have no hope of ever seeing an elimination or reduction of airline security. With corporations now touting security shortcuts as benefits of using their products and other companies selling shortcuts, they will lobby vigorously to keep airport security as tight and ever more complex as they can. The only way this will end will be when somebody with a platinum and titanium BankAmericard destroys a plane because they got through security quickly, easily and cleanly via their credit cards zip through security bonus plan. In addition to the idiot morons being afraid of someone carrying a Koran they'll need to pee their pants at the site of a platinum card too.
 
2012-07-19 10:05:18 PM  

RoyBatty: EIP


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Now THAT'S how you slip in a reference.
 
2012-07-19 10:06:34 PM  

TexanBoy: It's a real shame you didn't read into Paul's position on things like the TSA. It's not constitutional, so therefore, it shouldn't exist. That's what he believes, and I agree.


Yeah, but RON PAUL is completely freakin' bonkers. He might be right about the TSA and marijuana legalisation (stopped clock and all that), but he's wrong about literally everything else. On the flip side, Obama may be wrong about those two subjects, but he's also far less likely to turn the USA into Somalia's retarded baby brother.
 
2012-07-19 10:08:13 PM  
Job creators who fly first class must not be hindered.

www.veteranstoday.com
 
2012-07-19 10:09:51 PM  
So I go through the PreCheck lines as a result of my frequent flier status. Here's my take:

It's pretty great, but it's not exactly life changing. If you are like most people you might fly twice a year, once during the holidays and maybe a vacation if you're lucky. For that type of flying, I personally wouldn't recommend paying the money involved to qualify for Nexus or another program. And I definitely wouldn't recommend it because of the biometric data you have to submit, but maybe that's just me.

The only people I really think should pay for this type of thing are those who just got a new, travel-heavy job. Once you've got a good frequent flier status, you get this stuff anyways. But if you're going to take two or three flights a week, PreCheck is a lifesaver.
 
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