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2012-07-19 07:37:39 PM

HeartBurnKid: Romney is being asked to release documents that every candidate for the last 50 years, including his own father had been asked for before him.


Being asked != a requirement.

Next, strawman.

(this one was easy).

Kerry released his tax returns, but filed separately from his wife, so the true extent of his investments and taxes were hidden

(yes, I know it is his wife, but the same people who argued that Thomas should recuse himself because his wife made money in healthcare, can't say that Kerry had no influence on his wife's investments)
 
2012-07-19 07:38:10 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-19 07:38:49 PM
To have my job I had to give the government 8 YEARS of returns and all my account information for review for a license... My decent, yet petty in the grand scheme job. You mean to tell me that the president shouldn't be even checked for such petty crap? Of all the people you would think we need to see financials on? I WANT TO KNOW WHO HAS BEEN PAYING YOU OFF! Is this so hard to understand?
 
2012-07-19 07:38:52 PM

Kibbler: Romney household, 1953. Bedtime.


Oh, well done. Bra-farking-vo, good sir.
 
2012-07-19 07:39:18 PM

Cletus C.: one small post for man: tenpoundsofcheese: propasaurus: Just over half of Romney's 2010 giving went to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. The Romneys didn't have much choice there:

wut? they could have decided that it wasn't worth being a member of the Church.
Or they could have negotiated and told the Church you get 5%, take it or leave it.

The rest of the money went to the Tyler Foundation, a 501(c3) nonprofit funded exclusively by the Romneys.

which is an obviously evil Foundation. Giving out money to people named Tyler? Please! Steven Tyler, and Tyler Perry and Harrison Tyler (grandson of President Tyler) have enough money already.

And the Derp cavalry comes riding in...

I thought that was funny. WTF is wrong with people here?


IDK. I put some effort to find the Harrison Tyler reference. Oh well.
 
2012-07-19 07:39:35 PM

Vangor: HeartBurnKid: The two situations are not the same. Period.

Well I did not intend to equate the two situations but the arguments made in the article with those made about the President releasing his birth certificate. This idea of the issue going away as a result of releasing or having things to hide are weak and could be applied to a broad many things we have no right to see, including those tax returns; the fact presidents have sets a great precedent to pressure Romney, but this does not justify the hounding.


So you admit there is a precedent of past candidates releasing their returns, but think it is unreasonable for people to ask a man running for president to meet that precedent?
 
2012-07-19 07:40:31 PM

Vangor: Roberts pressed: "Why not show that, then?" and reasoned that people could "move on" if her husband released his returns.

This is an aggravating argument which has turned me away from wanting his returns released to the public. "Nothing to hide" and "could stop this issue" were the same arguments which pervaded questioning the citizenship of President Obama; we know Romney is the stereotypical insulated millionaire, and all this information would do is confirm what we know while furthering this expectation of our right to personal information from a candidate simply because the position is public office. People are acting as though Romney did not file taxes.

Just listen to the man speak twice on any issue; you will find he has no solid position, his positions are simplistic and ineffective, he is unable to convey any worthwhile qualities, and so forth.


I have to submit to a background check and a drug screen for a crappy 6 month Temp Job at an Insurance Company. Part of the background check was a financial disclosure. This guy expects to be the Leader of the Free World.

He has been called out. He needs to show his hand.

/ also would love to see the look on his face if someone asked him to pee in a cup!
 
2012-07-19 07:40:43 PM

coco ebert: Also, I'm so f*cking sick of the argument in America that giving to charity


Stop right there.

Mittens did not give to a charity. He gave to the mormon church. The Mormon church spends about 70% of its 'donation' money on itself. Comparitively, the Red Cross spend about 7% of its donation money on itself. If Mitt gave 10% of his income to his church, that means he actually gave 3% of his income to actual charity, and 7% to a very ornate tax-exempt country club that used that money to reseed its green and double down on making sure homosexual teens feel like second-class citizens whose only recourse is suicide.
 
2012-07-19 07:41:21 PM

Shaggy_C: one small post for man: Because campaigning for president is exactly the same as applying to work at WalMart

There's no requirement that a candidate be anything other than over the age of 35 and a non-naturalized US citizen. Beyond that it's up to the voters. They don't even have to have to be able to read or any education whatsoever. So, in many ways, the job of president actually has less mandated requirements than the Walmart clerk. So while "the people" can demand whatever they want there's no obligation to do anything. And in this case, it's not "the people", it's partisan hacks and their media enablers trying to invent a scandal in an otherwise boring part of the election year before the conventions.

Teufelaffe: So, a candidate who's running on his financial experience and acumen refusing to release more than two years of tax returns because he's afraid people might pick on him is just a poor innocent victim of a party loyalist witch hunt?

What does financial experience and acumen have to do with personal finances? You're making the jump from macro to micro in much the same way as the Teabagger who thinks credit card debt is bad so therefore we should vote to default the United States. I know plenty of people whose at-work output shows sheer genius while their personal lives are absolute disasters. It's more common than you think.


OK, smart guy: Would you hire someone who claimed 20 years of accounting experience for a financial job if they had filed two back-to-back bankruptcies? Most companies won't. Would you want a guy handling your stock portfolio if he'd been audited four times by the IRS and investigated by the SEC? Most people wouldn't. Do you want a bank teller who can't balance her own checkbook? I DON'T.

Someone's personal life may be a disaster, as you put it, and they may be able to cope at work; but this douchebag is running for PRESIDENT, based on his alleged brilliance at money management. So I want to be able to verify he is in fact a brilliant money manager before I give him the keys to MY taxes, thanks very much.
 
2012-07-19 07:41:39 PM

bonefish: To have my job I had to give the government 8 YEARS of returns and all my account information for review for a license... My decent, yet petty in the grand scheme job. You mean to tell me that the president shouldn't be even checked for such petty crap? Of all the people you would think we need to see financials on? I WANT TO KNOW WHO HAS BEEN PAYING YOU OFF! Is this so hard to understand?


Background checks are for us little people. Willard is above all that.
 
2012-07-19 07:42:18 PM

TalenLee: coco ebert: Also, I'm so f*cking sick of the argument in America that giving to charity

Stop right there.

Mittens did not give to a charity. He gave to the mormon church. The Mormon church spends about 70% of its 'donation' money on itself. Comparitively, the Red Cross spend about 7% of its donation money on itself. If Mitt gave 10% of his income to his church, that means he actually gave 3% of his income to actual charity, and 7% to a very ornate tax-exempt country club that used that money to reseed its green and double down on making sure homosexual teens feel like second-class citizens whose only recourse is suicide.


Or as tenpoundsoffeces calls it, patriotism.
 
2012-07-19 07:42:37 PM

coco ebert: *watches actual clip*

Wait, she not only said that, but said it to Robin Roberts, an African-American lady. FFFFUUUUUU!

Also, I'm so f*cking sick of the argument in America that giving to charity absolves people of having to abide by a more moral social contract or you know, just pay their fair share of taxes. I've never heard this justification given anywhere else. First of all, charity should refer to helping the poor or the needy, not adding another billion to a university endowment or arts council (though I think those institutions are important as well). Second, we don't all get to choose where our tax dollars go. I certainly don't want to fund our military industrial complex, but do you see me complaining about taxes? No, because I abide by the general social contract that tax revenue is needed to fund things we need, like infrastructure, public safety, and education. Stop diverting your money to pet projects (that are TAX deductible by the way), and implement a fairer tax code instead so we don't need charity in the first place!


This.
 
2012-07-19 07:43:22 PM

meat0918: What are the odds he announces his VP pick, and then slides his tax returns out shortly thereafter trying to use the hype to obscure them?


I'd say zero, because all he'd be doing is stepping on his own dick. If there's bad shiat in them, it nukes the "VP Bump" and nothing is going to obscure something really negative in them, particuarly at this point. Even if there's nothing of note in them it still basically does that by shifting the discussion immediately from the VP to the tax returns. As a rule you never want to do anything to steal the thunder away from the VP pick. It's free, typically positive press and attention for days on end.

But then again, this is one of the most poorly run campaigns by any nominee for President I've ever followed, so there's that.
 
2012-07-19 07:43:23 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: HeartBurnKid: Romney is being asked to release documents that every candidate for the last 50 years, including his own father had been asked for before him.

Being asked != a requirement.

Next, strawman.

(this one was easy).

Kerry released his tax returns, but filed separately from his wife, so the true extent of his investments and taxes were hidden

(yes, I know it is his wife, but the same people who argued that Thomas should recuse himself because his wife made money in healthcare, can't say that Kerry had no influence on his wife's investments)


No one is saying it is a requirement. You are the one building strawmen
 
2012-07-19 07:43:32 PM

Vangor: HeartBurnKid: The two situations are not the same. Period.

Well I did not intend to equate the two situations but the arguments made in the article with those made about the President releasing his birth certificate. This idea of the issue going away as a result of releasing or having things to hide are weak and could be applied to a broad many things we have no right to see, including those tax returns; the fact presidents have sets a great precedent to pressure Romney, but this does not justify the hounding.


And there I disagree.

One, I think we do have a right to see those tax returns. The man is running on his financial experience; let's take a look at his finances. And the fact that pretty much every candidate in recent history (not just presidents, but candidates in general) have released those returns, no questions asked, makes Romney look even worse for not releasing them.

Two, what are you expecting to happen, exactly? Do you think that once he releases them, a bunch of idiots are going to say "Those aren't the real returns!" and keep hounding him for another 4 years? Because that's the only way any of this would have any relevant relationship to the birther shiat.
 
2012-07-19 07:44:32 PM
Kibbler, you magnificent bastard, +1
 
2012-07-19 07:45:13 PM

bonefish: I WANT TO KNOW WHO HAS BEEN PAYING YOU OFF! Is this so hard to understand?


How would you know that from a tax return?

Did you care about the Rezco payoff to 0bama?
 
2012-07-19 07:46:08 PM

one small post for man: tenpoundsofcheese: HeartBurnKid: Romney is being asked to release documents that every candidate for the last 50 years, including his own father had been asked for before him.

Being asked != a requirement.

Next, strawman.

(this one was easy).

Kerry released his tax returns, but filed separately from his wife, so the true extent of his investments and taxes were hidden

(yes, I know it is his wife, but the same people who argued that Thomas should recuse himself because his wife made money in healthcare, can't say that Kerry had no influence on his wife's investments)

No one is saying it is a requirement. You are the one building strawmen


so then why is this a big deal?
people ask candidates all sorts of stuff that they don't do.
 
2012-07-19 07:46:24 PM

Corvus: Or maybe THIS GEM:

Did Mitt Romney Take the 2009 Swiss Bank Account Amnesty

Wealthy U.S. taxpayers, concerned about an Internal Revenue Service crackdown on the use of secret overseas bank accounts as tax havens, are rushing to meet a Thursday deadline to disclose those accounts or face possible criminal prosecution. The concern was triggered this summer when Switzerland's largest bank, caught up in an international tax evasion dispute, said it would disclose the names of more than 4,000 of its U.S. account holders.

He had secret accounts and knew he would be found out so he applied for tax amnesty. He was breaking the law.

This makes so much sense why he won't release earlier forms.


While I'd love it to be something like that, I just can't imagine he'd be stupid enough to run for President and think this wouldn't be revealed. If it IS it he obviously knows it's a killer since he's refusing to release the returns...but how in the name of fark could he have concluded he'd get away with releasing one year? You'd have to be the most self-absorbed, entitled, holier-than-thou....wait, nevermind.
 
2012-07-19 07:46:58 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: HeartBurnKid: Romney is being asked to release documents that every candidate for the last 50 years, including his own father had been asked for before him.

Being asked != a requirement.

Next, strawman.

(this one was easy).

Kerry released his tax returns, but filed separately from his wife, so the true extent of his investments and taxes were hidden

(yes, I know it is his wife, but the same people who argued that Thomas should recuse himself because his wife made money in healthcare, can't say that Kerry had no influence on his wife's investments)


..and since we know you were totally OK with not seeing a candidate's wife's returns you are totally not a hypocrite.
 
2012-07-19 07:47:29 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: one small post for man: tenpoundsofcheese: HeartBurnKid: Romney is being asked to release documents that every candidate for the last 50 years, including his own father had been asked for before him.

Being asked != a requirement.

Next, strawman.

(this one was easy).

Kerry released his tax returns, but filed separately from his wife, so the true extent of his investments and taxes were hidden

(yes, I know it is his wife, but the same people who argued that Thomas should recuse himself because his wife made money in healthcare, can't say that Kerry had no influence on his wife's investments)

No one is saying it is a requirement. You are the one building strawmen

so then why is this a big deal?
people ask candidates all sorts of stuff that they don't do.


Oh then you don't care at all then about all the things you have been screaming about for Obama to do then?
 
2012-07-19 07:48:23 PM

Shrugging Atlas: HeartBurnKid: I heard somewhere that McCain's opposition research file on Romney is floating around on teh interwebs. I should go look for it; it'd be rather interesting.

It's been out there for a couple years. It's obviously dated, but frankly not that worthwhile anyway. Not terribly surprising from a campaign that was run like ass and ultimately thought Palin was a winning move.

Now, the Obama Campaign's Romney oppo file? Oh fark yes would I like to read that. That thing has been years in the making since he was always going to be the opponent, and Obama's campaign in general is extremely sharp.


I would be surprised if the Obama camp doesn't know what's in the tax returns.
 
2012-07-19 07:49:07 PM

Corvus: Or maybe THIS GEM:

Did Mitt Romney Take the 2009 Swiss Bank Account Amnesty

Wealthy U.S. taxpayers, concerned about an Internal Revenue Service crackdown on the use of secret overseas bank accounts as tax havens, are rushing to meet a Thursday deadline to disclose those accounts or face possible criminal prosecution. The concern was triggered this summer when Switzerland's largest bank, caught up in an international tax evasion dispute, said it would disclose the names of more than 4,000 of its U.S. account holders.

He had secret accounts and knew he would be found out so he applied for tax amnesty. He was breaking the law.

you are such a farking liar, it is incredible. The article is nothing but speculation and you pass is off as fact.

 
2012-07-19 07:49:14 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: one small post for man: tenpoundsofcheese: HeartBurnKid: Romney is being asked to release documents that every candidate for the last 50 years, including his own father had been asked for before him.

Being asked != a requirement.

Next, strawman.

(this one was easy).

Kerry released his tax returns, but filed separately from his wife, so the true extent of his investments and taxes were hidden

(yes, I know it is his wife, but the same people who argued that Thomas should recuse himself because his wife made money in healthcare, can't say that Kerry had no influence on his wife's investments)

No one is saying it is a requirement. You are the one building strawmen

so then why is this a big deal?
people ask candidates all sorts of stuff that they don't do.


So voters have no right to want to know anything about a candidate that they aren't legally required to disclose?
 
2012-07-19 07:49:33 PM

Shrugging Atlas: Corvus: Or maybe THIS GEM:

Did Mitt Romney Take the 2009 Swiss Bank Account Amnesty

Wealthy U.S. taxpayers, concerned about an Internal Revenue Service crackdown on the use of secret overseas bank accounts as tax havens, are rushing to meet a Thursday deadline to disclose those accounts or face possible criminal prosecution. The concern was triggered this summer when Switzerland's largest bank, caught up in an international tax evasion dispute, said it would disclose the names of more than 4,000 of its U.S. account holders.

He had secret accounts and knew he would be found out so he applied for tax amnesty. He was breaking the law.

This makes so much sense why he won't release earlier forms.

While I'd love it to be something like that, I just can't imagine he'd be stupid enough to run for President and think this wouldn't be revealed. If it IS it he obviously knows it's a killer since he's refusing to release the returns...but how in the name of fark could he have concluded he'd get away with releasing one year? You'd have to be the most self-absorbed, entitled, holier-than-thou....wait, nevermind.


Why? He figured he wouldn't show his tax returns. That is exactly what he is doing now. You are saying he wouldn't do it because he would have to hide those returns. That is EXACTLY what he is doing.

It totally fits.
 
2012-07-19 07:49:57 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Did you care about the Rezco payoff to 0bama?


I thought it was Obama that paid Rezko for a strip of land adjacent to his property?
can you provide a link or citation so to speak?
 
2012-07-19 07:50:08 PM

HeartBurnKid: Vangor: HeartBurnKid: The two situations are not the same. Period.

Well I did not intend to equate the two situations but the arguments made in the article with those made about the President releasing his birth certificate. This idea of the issue going away as a result of releasing or having things to hide are weak and could be applied to a broad many things we have no right to see, including those tax returns; the fact presidents have sets a great precedent to pressure Romney, but this does not justify the hounding.

And there I disagree.

One, I think we do have a right to see those tax returns. The man is running on his financial experience; let's take a look at his finances. And the fact that pretty much every candidate in recent history (not just presidents, but candidates in general) have released those returns, no questions asked, makes Romney look even worse for not releasing them.

Two, what are you expecting to happen, exactly? Do you think that once he releases them, a bunch of idiots are going to say "Those aren't the real returns!" and keep hounding him for another 4 years? Because that's the only way any of this would have any relevant relationship to the birther shiat.


If Rmoney is elected President, I will make it my life's goal to insist every personal document he ever laid a finger on be released, and complain every time that they aren't real. I will want to see every school record from the time he started preschool, every tax return his family ever filed, and the pedigrees for his dancing horses back to their domestication in 3500 BC. And every release will be attacked because it's not the original. I promise.
 
2012-07-19 07:50:24 PM

tenpoundsofcheese:

What a moran.


Says the guy who spends his time isolating himself from any sort of reasonable discussion "for t3h lulz".
 
2012-07-19 07:50:25 PM

meat0918: What are the odds he announces his VP pick, and then slides his tax returns out shortly thereafter trying to use the hype to obscure them?


Nil. There's no VP pick that could possibly be more interesting than even the story about how there's nothing in the tax returns. Remember that we're talking about a candidate who is worried about being overshadowed on-stage by Tim Pawlenty. Mitt's selection is so thin right now he might be better off running a picture of himself as his own VP candidate, and hoping its ability to avoid gaffes doesn't top his own ontological certainty in voter's minds.
 
2012-07-19 07:51:06 PM

timujin: "Look, plebes, this is what you get, so suck it up. Why are we having a vote anyway? I mean, my husband is obviously the best person for the job, look at how well he's done in business. Well, I mean, don't look to closely, just glance at him from over there, you'll get the idea. Okay, that's settled then, is my Mittens President yet? Hello?"


I think this is the smartest thing you've ever said. In fact, I'm going to vote smart, you... you've earned it. =D
 
2012-07-19 07:51:06 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Corvus: Or maybe THIS GEM:

Did Mitt Romney Take the 2009 Swiss Bank Account Amnesty

Wealthy U.S. taxpayers, concerned about an Internal Revenue Service crackdown on the use of secret overseas bank accounts as tax havens, are rushing to meet a Thursday deadline to disclose those accounts or face possible criminal prosecution. The concern was triggered this summer when Switzerland's largest bank, caught up in an international tax evasion dispute, said it would disclose the names of more than 4,000 of its U.S. account holders.

He had secret accounts and knew he would be found out so he applied for tax amnesty. He was breaking the law.

you are such a farking liar, it is incredible. The article is nothing but speculation and you pass is off as fact.


Its funny when known partisan shills accuse anyone else of lying.
 
2012-07-19 07:51:47 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Corvus: Or maybe THIS GEM:

Did Mitt Romney Take the 2009 Swiss Bank Account Amnesty

Wealthy U.S. taxpayers, concerned about an Internal Revenue Service crackdown on the use of secret overseas bank accounts as tax havens, are rushing to meet a Thursday deadline to disclose those accounts or face possible criminal prosecution. The concern was triggered this summer when Switzerland's largest bank, caught up in an international tax evasion dispute, said it would disclose the names of more than 4,000 of its U.S. account holders.

He had secret accounts and knew he would be found out so he applied for tax amnesty. He was breaking the law.

you are such a farking liar, it is incredible. The article is nothing but speculation and you pass is off as fact.


Yes it is speculation. Didn't say it wasn't. But it makes a lot of sense. But until Romney releases his tax returns that is all we are left with.

I never passed it off as fact. You once again are lying like normal.

Here let me ask you an honest question:

If it does turn out to be true then will you promise not to vote for Romney and you will be mad at him for doing this?
 
2012-07-19 07:53:36 PM

Erix: Cletus C.: one small post for man: tenpoundsofcheese: propasaurus: Just over half of Romney's 2010 giving went to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. The Romneys didn't have much choice there:

wut? they could have decided that it wasn't worth being a member of the Church.
Or they could have negotiated and told the Church you get 5%, take it or leave it.

The rest of the money went to the Tyler Foundation, a 501(c3) nonprofit funded exclusively by the Romneys.

which is an obviously evil Foundation. Giving out money to people named Tyler? Please! Steven Tyler, and Tyler Perry and Harrison Tyler (grandson of President Tyler) have enough money already.

And the Derp cavalry comes riding in...

I thought that was funny. WTF is wrong with people here?

You're not allowed to laugh at the jokes of people who you disagree with politically. It's in the FArQ man, get with it.


Some of us find blatant ignorance less than amusing. If I thought for one millisecond Tenpoundsofderp was TRYING to be funny, that would be one thing.

But he wasn't and you know it.
 
2012-07-19 07:53:44 PM
i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-07-19 07:53:51 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Corvus: Or maybe THIS GEM:

Did Mitt Romney Take the 2009 Swiss Bank Account Amnesty

Wealthy U.S. taxpayers, concerned about an Internal Revenue Service crackdown on the use of secret overseas bank accounts as tax havens, are rushing to meet a Thursday deadline to disclose those accounts or face possible criminal prosecution. The concern was triggered this summer when Switzerland's largest bank, caught up in an international tax evasion dispute, said it would disclose the names of more than 4,000 of its U.S. account holders.

He had secret accounts and knew he would be found out so he applied for tax amnesty. He was breaking the law.

you are such a farking liar, it is incredible. The article is nothing but speculation and you pass is off as fact.


You really don't understand the English language do you? Shouldn't you be deported?
 
2012-07-19 07:53:54 PM

one small post for man: tenpoundsofcheese: one small post for man: tenpoundsofcheese: HeartBurnKid: Romney is being asked to release documents that every candidate for the last 50 years, including his own father had been asked for before him.

Being asked != a requirement.

Next, strawman.

(this one was easy).

Kerry released his tax returns, but filed separately from his wife, so the true extent of his investments and taxes were hidden

(yes, I know it is his wife, but the same people who argued that Thomas should recuse himself because his wife made money in healthcare, can't say that Kerry had no influence on his wife's investments)

No one is saying it is a requirement. You are the one building strawmen

so then why is this a big deal?
people ask candidates all sorts of stuff that they don't do.

So voters have no right to want to know anything about a candidate that they aren't legally required to disclose?


You have the right to want anything.
I have the right to want a Ferrari and a jet pack. So farking what?
I have the right to want to know about the Rezco deal and how 0bama's college education was financed and by whom, as well as know what is in his sealed passport records. So farking what?
 
2012-07-19 07:54:38 PM
www.general-anaesthesia.com

And make sure you save enough for yourself, Mitt.
 
2012-07-19 07:55:11 PM

GleeUnit: I actually feel like I need to know quite a bit more about Mitt's personal financial history. In fact, all of this condescension and evasiveness is just further stoking that feeling.


yep
 
2012-07-19 07:55:36 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: I have the right to want to know about the Rezco deal


What exactly is it that you don't know?

tenpoundsofcheese: and how 0bama's college education was financed and by whom,


Student loans.

Are you really going full birther on us?

tenpoundsofcheese: as well as know what is in his sealed passport records


lol wut
 
2012-07-19 07:55:51 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: one small post for man: tenpoundsofcheese: one small post for man: tenpoundsofcheese: HeartBurnKid: Romney is being asked to release documents that every candidate for the last 50 years, including his own father had been asked for before him.

Being asked != a requirement.

Next, strawman.

(this one was easy).

Kerry released his tax returns, but filed separately from his wife, so the true extent of his investments and taxes were hidden

(yes, I know it is his wife, but the same people who argued that Thomas should recuse himself because his wife made money in healthcare, can't say that Kerry had no influence on his wife's investments)

No one is saying it is a requirement. You are the one building strawmen

so then why is this a big deal?
people ask candidates all sorts of stuff that they don't do.

So voters have no right to want to know anything about a candidate that they aren't legally required to disclose?

You have the right to want anything.
I have the right to want a Ferrari and a jet pack. So farking what?
I have the right to want to know about the Rezco deal and how 0bama's college education was financed and by whom, as well as know what is in his sealed passport records. So farking what?


SO YOU WILL NEVER COMPLAIN ABOUT SOMETHING YOU WANT OBAMA TO DO THEN?

Or are you being a hypocrite... AGAIN.
 
2012-07-19 07:56:04 PM
Mrs Romney just accidentally the whole interview.

: (
 
2012-07-19 07:56:22 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass:
The stock came from Mitt's father. When he took over American Motors, the stock was worth nothing. But he invested Mitt's birthday money year to year - it wasn't much, a few thousand, but he put it into American Motors because he believed in himself. Five years later, stock that had been $6 a share was $96 and Mitt cashed it so we could live and pay for education.

Mitt and I walked to class together, shared housekeeping, had a lot of pasta and tuna fish and learned hard lessons.

We were living on the edge, not entertaining. No, I did not work. Mitt thought it was important for me to stay home with the children, and I was delighted.


That's... Just scary. I mean, where to start? Mitt getting "a few thousand" dollars in birthday money every year? Having spent multiple years of "a few thousand" dollars on a stock that increased in value 16x? The idea that stock worth, using the minimum numbers listed, a conservative $160,000 would require them to buy "pasta and tuna"? That having that much money could be considered "living on the edge"?

Maybe we should have a new rule - anyone wanting to run for president should have their immediate family air-dropped into a 3rd world village in, say, Africa or South Asia or something, with no money, no potential to get outside assistance, and let them try to survive for a year. Heck, even a month. Let them experience the concepts of "no running water", and "no sanitation", and having to actually perform manual labor to survive. If they can do that, then they can legitimately claim to have been "living on the edge". Otherwise, trying to portray themselves as "just regular folks" probably shouldn't be their first strategy.
 
2012-07-19 07:56:22 PM

kapaso: I would be surprised if the Obama camp doesn't know what's in the tax returns.


Personally I think they do too or at least have a very, very good idea. I also think the information has to be fairly damning though I wouldn't guess about the specifics.

The demand he release the returns goes well beyond Romney's assertion this is all just some attempt by Obama to shift the conversation from jobs. They're going after the issue like it's a real winner...knowing Romney will either NEVER release them because of the information that's contained within and be unable to ever talk about anything but them, or that he will ultimately have to open the books and be farked.

And the fact Romney's campaign and his own family are digging in their heels on such a basic, day one item such this all but confirms it for me. It's impossible to think they'd be willing to take the hits they are over nothing at all.

The fact it's mid-July and dear old Ann is out doing what should be set piece 'narrative interviews' and instead is not only being hit up on this question but then getting so upset over it is not a good sign for the campaign in general. They're nowhere where they ought to be in terms of being ready for the general election, particularly for a guy who's more or less known for 3+ years he was going to be the nominee.
 
2012-07-19 07:56:55 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: one small post for man: tenpoundsofcheese: one small post for man: tenpoundsofcheese: HeartBurnKid: Romney is being asked to release documents that every candidate for the last 50 years, including his own father had been asked for before him.

Being asked != a requirement.

Next, strawman.

(this one was easy).

Kerry released his tax returns, but filed separately from his wife, so the true extent of his investments and taxes were hidden

(yes, I know it is his wife, but the same people who argued that Thomas should recuse himself because his wife made money in healthcare, can't say that Kerry had no influence on his wife's investments)

No one is saying it is a requirement. You are the one building strawmen

so then why is this a big deal?
people ask candidates all sorts of stuff that they don't do.

So voters have no right to want to know anything about a candidate that they aren't legally required to disclose?

You have the right to want anything.
I have the right to want a Ferrari and a jet pack. So farking what?
I have the right to want to know about the Rezco deal and how 0bama's college education was financed and by whom, as well as know what is in his sealed passport records. So farking what?


You are right! He doesn't have to do it. BUT WE CAN COMPLAIN THAT HE IS NOT DOING IT AND COMPLAIN ABOUT IT AGAIN AND AGAIN AND GET OTHERS NOT TO VOTE FOR HIM.
 
2012-07-19 07:58:10 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: You have the right to want anything.
I have the right to want a Ferrari and a jet pack. So farking what?
I have the right to want to know about the Rezco deal and how 0bama's college education was financed and by whom, as well as know what is in his sealed passport records. So farking what?


I see so you complaining about Obama is ok but others complaining about Romney is unfair and you want them to shut up.

Wow that sounds fair.
 
2012-07-19 07:59:10 PM

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2012-07-19 07:59:25 PM

kapaso: I would be surprised if the Obama camp doesn't know what's in the tax returns.


If Pres. TaxFartB0ng0 is the Chicago style politician that our good friends on the right allege than yes, Obama's reelection campaign already has copies of all of Gov. Romney's returns and have already coordinated with the pro-Obama SuperPACs to make sure they know where and how to hit Gov. Romney.
 
2012-07-19 07:59:35 PM

Corvus:

So voters have no right to want to know anything about a candidate that they aren't legally required to disclose?

You have the right to want anything.
I have the right to want a Ferrari and a jet pack. So farking what?
I have the right to want to know about the Rezco deal and how 0bama's college education was financed and by whom, as well as know what is in his sealed passport records. So farking what?

SO YOU WILL NEVER COMPLAIN ABOUT SOMETHING YOU WANT OBAMA TO DO THEN?

Or are you being a hypocrite... AGAIN.


I have complained that the jet pack I thought I would be flying by now is still not developed, so no.
 
2012-07-19 08:00:56 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: one small post for man: tenpoundsofcheese: one small post for man: tenpoundsofcheese: HeartBurnKid: Romney is being asked to release documents that every candidate for the last 50 years, including his own father had been asked for before him.

Being asked != a requirement.

Next, strawman.

(this one was easy).

Kerry released his tax returns, but filed separately from his wife, so the true extent of his investments and taxes were hidden

(yes, I know it is his wife, but the same people who argued that Thomas should recuse himself because his wife made money in healthcare, can't say that Kerry had no influence on his wife's investments)

No one is saying it is a requirement. You are the one building strawmen

so then why is this a big deal?
people ask candidates all sorts of stuff that they don't do.

So voters have no right to want to know anything about a candidate that they aren't legally required to disclose?

You have the right to want anything.
I have the right to want a Ferrari and a jet pack. So farking what?
I have the right to want to know about the Rezco deal and how 0bama's college education was financed and by whom, as well as know what is in his sealed passport records. So farking what?


So farking what? I don't vote for him. Is this what you were confused about? No one is calling for him to be thrown into a fish tank full of sharks.

Oh wait, you are just a deliberately obtuse troll
 
2012-07-19 08:00:58 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: one small post for man: tenpoundsofcheese: one small post for man: tenpoundsofcheese:
I have the right ... how 0bama's college education was financed and by whom, as well as know what is in his sealed passport records.


And why would you need to know this information? What would it tell you, exactly? And how is that relevant to his presidency?

I know it's asking a lot, but could you please answer with something other than a question?
 
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