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2012-07-19 03:21:58 PM  
The little people.
 
2012-07-19 03:26:24 PM  
Wow, GOP. How do you keep finding candidates who open their mouths only to switch feet?
 
2012-07-19 03:28:50 PM  
Ahh ha ha ha this just gets better and better. That's actually a quote! Holy crap.

Paraphrasing what someone in another thread said a few days ago, once you think the trainwreck is over, another boxcar comes flying over the top of the pile-up.

These are people who have lived all their lives in a rarified bubble, and for the first time in decades, they are being exposed to what they obviously consider the rabble they have decided they are now entitled to govern. And they have absolutely no idea how to talk to us. It's glaring, and its stark to everyone but them, and they simply can't understand why they are being hammered by all this scrutiny by the plebian masses.

They've had decades of conditioning as demigods, and there is absolutely no way they are going to learn how to talk to the people in the 3 or 4 months they have to learn. But it will be fun to watch.
 
2012-07-19 03:32:55 PM  
I actually feel like I need to know quite a bit more about Mitt's personal financial history. In fact, all of this condescension and evasiveness is just further stoking that feeling.

What is in there that is potentially so damaging that his campaign is willing to take the beating they have taken recently (and will continue to take) rather than just releasing the stupid returns?
 
2012-07-19 03:34:00 PM  
You go, Lovey
 
2012-07-19 03:35:30 PM  
"Look, plebes, this is what you get, so suck it up. Why are we having a vote anyway? I mean, my husband is obviously the best person for the job, look at how well he's done in business. Well, I mean, don't look to closely, just glance at him from over there, you'll get the idea. Okay, that's settled then, is my Mittens President yet? Hello?"
 
2012-07-19 03:42:37 PM  
"You know, you should really look at where Mitt has led his life, and where he's been financially," she said in her interview with Robin Roberts.

If only there was a way to see where Mitt has been financially the last 10 years...
 
2012-07-19 03:45:13 PM  
Every time you see or hear any member of the Romney camp say it's not necessary for him to disclose his tax returns, remember that John McCain saw several years worth of his tax returns in '08, and thought Palin was the better choice for VP. Sarah farking Palin. Torquemada with Tits, Spiro T. Agnew in a skirt, Caribou Barbie. That crazy heifer.
 
2012-07-19 03:45:50 PM  

GleeUnit: I actually feel like I need to know quite a bit more about Mitt's personal financial history. In fact, all of this condescension and evasiveness is just further stoking that feeling.

What is in there that is potentially so damaging that his campaign is willing to take the beating they have taken recently (and will continue to take) rather than just releasing the stupid returns?


I'm wondering if he was part of that general amnesty given to tax evaders with Swiss bank accounts a couple of years ago.

It's hard to be anti-amnesty anything when you've benefited from one. ;)
 
2012-07-19 03:46:38 PM  
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2012-07-19 03:47:03 PM  
What do *you* mean "You people"?
 
2012-07-19 03:48:45 PM  
She does this stuff and then they complain about how she/family is "off-limits" to criticism from the other side. I suppose attacks from the Dems are actually redundant.
 
2012-07-19 03:51:31 PM  
*watches actual clip*

Wait, she not only said that, but said it to Robin Roberts, an African-American lady. FFFFUUUUUU!

Also, I'm so f*cking sick of the argument in America that giving to charity absolves people of having to abide by a more moral social contract or you know, just pay their fair share of taxes. I've never heard this justification given anywhere else. First of all, charity should refer to helping the poor or the needy, not adding another billion to a university endowment or arts council (though I think those institutions are important as well). Second, we don't all get to choose where our tax dollars go. I certainly don't want to fund our military industrial complex, but do you see me complaining about taxes? No, because I abide by the general social contract that tax revenue is needed to fund things we need, like infrastructure, public safety, and education. Stop diverting your money to pet projects (that are TAX deductible by the way), and implement a fairer tax code instead so we don't need charity in the first place!
 
2012-07-19 03:55:31 PM  
She's going to make a very endearing First Lady. If that happens of course.
 
2012-07-19 03:57:13 PM  
Also, it should be noted, that the fact the Romney's tithe 10% of their income to the Mormon church every year is NOT charity. It's a REQUIREMENT. Giving to charity is deciding to go through your closet and giving all the clothes that don't fit you anymore to Goodwill, or working at a soup kitchen over the holidays to help feed the homeless, or helping clean a city park/playground so kids have some place to play, rather than running the streets. Charity is more than just money; it's time, it's passion, it's commitment.

If your invisible sky wizard demands you give 10% of your money to the Church every year, that's not charity. You're not giving of your own free will, you're giving because it's required of you. Charity is not required.

So fark them for calling it "charity." It's like paying Homeowner's Association dues.
 
2012-07-19 03:57:18 PM  

GleeUnit: I actually feel like I need to know quite a bit more about Mitt's personal financial history


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2012-07-19 03:58:37 PM  
Dear America,

Class exists in this country.
The Romneys believe they are in the highest class of people.
In an Aristocratic worldview, you are meant to serve them, not work along side them.
And you will never be their equal.
 
2012-07-19 04:04:04 PM  
Yeah, she just doesn't get the whole politics thing
 
2012-07-19 04:04:08 PM  
The trouble with the Romneys is, not only would they not drink a beer with us, they'd damn us to hell for drinking the beer alone.
 
2012-07-19 04:05:10 PM  
Is it really generosity when that 10% is demanded by LDS?

And, while I realize Ann probably wasn't calling for the release of Obama's birth certificate, the reasoning for not releasing the tax forms sure does seem hypocritical.

Scrutiny, like taxes, are for the little people it seems.
 
2012-07-19 04:08:20 PM  
She needs to get off her high horse. The one she used to deduct $77000 in medical expenses.
 
2012-07-19 04:11:04 PM  
WHERE TAX RETURNS WHE
 
2012-07-19 04:12:00 PM  
Sounds like someone needs another Cadillac and her meds.
 
2012-07-19 04:14:07 PM  
If Obama can release his long form birf cert, Rmoney can release his long form 1040.
 
2012-07-19 04:19:45 PM  

MorrisBird: The trouble with the Romneys is, not only would they not drink a beer with us, they'd damn us to hell for drinking the beer alone.


The Romneys sampled beers as wayward teens. But, never again.
 
2012-07-19 04:20:15 PM  
She's probably just tired of being haunted by the ghost of her Father-in-Law.

Though her MS may well leave her prone to being tired easily. It's a really tragic disease.
 
2012-07-19 04:20:19 PM  
Did she at least wear a shirt that cost under $1,000 to the interview?
 
2012-07-19 04:21:39 PM  

abb3w: She's probably just tired of being haunted by the ghost of her Father-in-Law.

Though her MS may well leave her prone to being tired easily. It's a really tragic disease.


It wasn't her father-in-law, it was her father that had the posthumous baptism. Her father-in-law was George Romney, who was very much a Mormon.
 
2012-07-19 04:24:31 PM  

Ed Finnerty: Sounds like someone needs another Cadillac and her meds dancing horse.

 
2012-07-19 04:26:45 PM  
I really hope she gets mad and tells us to stop making fun of her pet.
 
2012-07-19 04:30:59 PM  
I completely disagree with everything she had to say (about not releasing taxes), but I kind of feel like the "you people" thing is being blown out of proportion a bit. I'm guessing "you people" means either the media or the people who are attacking her husband. I don't think she meant the American people as a whole.
 
2012-07-19 04:31:07 PM  
It's looking more and more like the Romneys were completely unprepared for campaigning.
 
2012-07-19 04:31:45 PM  
Presidential pets

Check out the list of Presidential Pets. Lots have owned horses, and Calvin Coolidge had an entire zoo.
 
2012-07-19 04:32:36 PM  

LRA61380: I completely disagree with everything she had to say (about not releasing taxes), but I kind of feel like the "you people" thing is being blown out of proportion a bit. I'm guessing "you people" means either the media or the people who are attacking her husband. I don't think she meant the American people as a whole.


I say it all the time. I think she meant the "media hounds". But I bet you she was thinking "liberal media."
 
2012-07-19 04:33:14 PM  

vernonFL: Presidential pets

Check out the list of Presidential Pets. Lots have owned horses, and Calvin Coolidge had an entire zoo.


So did Teddy Roosevelt. Except they were all dead.
 
2012-07-19 04:36:13 PM  

LRA61380: I'm guessing "you people" means either the media or the people who are attacking her husband. I don't think she meant the American people as a whole.


She means whoever wants to know what she considers to be privileged information. So I'm guessing that's a pretty large swath of the American People.
 
2012-07-19 04:36:33 PM  

Diogenes: It's looking more and more like the Romneys were completely unprepared for campaigning.


Which is weird, because that's all they've been doing since 2007.

You'd think they would have gotten better at it.
 
2012-07-19 04:38:40 PM  

vernonFL: Did she at least wear a shirt that cost under $1,000 to the interview?


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2012-07-19 04:44:28 PM  

vernonFL: Presidential pets

Check out the list of Presidential Pets. Lots have owned horses, and Calvin Coolidge had an entire zoo.


well... um.. thanks for the information? Now, about those tax returns. If you want people to judge you based on your financial experience, it would be helpful to know how you've conducted yourself financially...
 
2012-07-19 04:45:19 PM  
Yeah, when I heard her say the "you people" line I did a bit of a double take.
 
2012-07-19 04:46:42 PM  

what_now: Diogenes: It's looking more and more like the Romneys were completely unprepared for campaigning.

Which is weird, because that's all they've been doing since 2007.

You'd think they would have gotten better at it.


He never got this far at the national level. And I honestly believe he thought it would be a cake walk. Not simply due to his arrogance (though he has that in spades) but because he overestimated the influence of the poor economy and the peoples' desire to fire Obama. I can't totally blame him for the latter - things are pretty shiatty. What I do blame him for is not being better prepared in the event it didn't turn out to be the cake walk he anticipated.

His problem now is that he's not adapting the new reality that he can't just assume the office without resistance. Campaign is flat-footed as hell.
 
2012-07-19 04:48:29 PM  
"Why Ann Romney. What a vision you are in your fine dress. It must have taken a dozen slaves a dozen days to get you into that getup. 'Course your daddy tells me it takes the space of a schoolboy's wink to get you out of it again. Forgive my rudeness. I cannot abide useless people."
 
2012-07-19 04:48:34 PM  

LRA61380: I completely disagree with everything she had to say (about not releasing taxes), but I kind of feel like the "you people" thing is being blown out of proportion a bit. I'm guessing "you people" means either the media or the people who are attacking her husband. I don't think she meant the American people as a whole.


I concur. It's pretty clear in context that who she's talking about, and what she said is retarded, but this is almost as stupid as the "end of quote" non-fiasco.
 
2012-07-19 04:49:36 PM  
"He's a very generous person. We give 10 percent of our income to our church every year."

As far as I can tell, most of that money is used to build Mormon churches and support thousands of people who run around the world trying to annoy other people into becoming Mormons.

That's a funny definition of "charity". LDS is not Bill Gates. They take in $5-7B annually in tithes, and refuse to disclose how it is spent.
 
2012-07-19 04:51:39 PM  

ignatius_crumbcake: "Why Ann Romney. What a vision you are in your fine dress. It must have taken a dozen slaves a dozen days to get you into that getup. 'Course your daddy tells me it takes the space of a schoolboy's wink to get you out of it again. Forgive my rudeness. I cannot abide useless people."


I'm with that guy. And basically the entire series. Awesome.
 
2012-07-19 04:51:54 PM  

ignatius_crumbcake: "Why Ann Romney. What a vision you are in your fine dress. It must have taken a dozen slaves a dozen days to get you into that getup. 'Course your daddy tells me it takes the space of a schoolboy's wink to get you out of it again. Forgive my rudeness. I cannot abide useless people."


Ha! I just watched that yesterday!
 
2012-07-19 04:59:26 PM  

Diogenes: LRA61380: I completely disagree with everything she had to say (about not releasing taxes), but I kind of feel like the "you people" thing is being blown out of proportion a bit. I'm guessing "you people" means either the media or the people who are attacking her husband. I don't think she meant the American people as a whole.

I say it all the time. I think she meant the "media hounds". But I bet you she was thinking "liberal media."


Problem is, when you are speaking as part of the campaign for the highest office in the nation, you have to watch your tongue. She said that in anger and did not think, at all, about how it would come off or could be construed as a slight against the American people on the whole.

I suspect we'll see a lot of this from her, and from Mitt Romeny himself. If I learned anything from the primary debates, it's that Mitt does not like to be questioned, and if he gives an answer, he does not like to be challenged. He was on the border of unleashing his anger a few times in primary season, I suspect something will set him off and it will be the defining moment of his campaign. It will make Howard Dean's "yeah!!!" speech look like absolute child's play.
 
2012-07-19 05:02:05 PM  

serpent_sky: Diogenes: LRA61380: I completely disagree with everything she had to say (about not releasing taxes), but I kind of feel like the "you people" thing is being blown out of proportion a bit. I'm guessing "you people" means either the media or the people who are attacking her husband. I don't think she meant the American people as a whole.

I say it all the time. I think she meant the "media hounds". But I bet you she was thinking "liberal media."

Problem is, when you are speaking as part of the campaign for the highest office in the nation, you have to watch your tongue. She said that in anger and did not think, at all, about how it would come off or could be construed as a slight against the American people on the whole.

I suspect we'll see a lot of this from her, and from Mitt Romeny himself. If I learned anything from the primary debates, it's that Mitt does not like to be questioned, and if he gives an answer, he does not like to be challenged. He was on the border of unleashing his anger a few times in primary season, I suspect something will set him off and it will be the defining moment of his campaign. It will make Howard Dean's "yeah!!!" speech look like absolute child's play.


I can't say I disagree at all with what you said. I don't think she had ill-will per se (just testy as hell, like hubby), but you're right. Bush league performances from both of them.

Pun intended?
 
2012-07-19 05:03:36 PM  
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2012-07-19 05:05:58 PM  

vernonFL: Presidential pets

Check out the list of Presidential Pets. Lots have owned horses, and Calvin Coolidge had an entire zoo.


John Adams
Juno, Mark, and Satan - Dogs [5]

That's awesome, John.
 
2012-07-19 05:08:44 PM  
No, no you haven't, and what you have released is not up to the standards the public has come to expect from those seeking the office of the President of the United States.

The more you delay, the worse it will be, regardless if there is something damning or not in them. The act of withholding the information is damning enough as it is.

So, by all means, delay it further. It can only help Obama.
 
2012-07-19 05:09:26 PM  

meat0918: No, no you haven't, and what you have released is not up to the standards the public has come to expect from those seeking the office of the President of the United States.


Standards are for the poors.
 
2012-07-19 05:12:10 PM  

ignatius_crumbcake: meat0918: No, no you haven't, and what you have released is not up to the standards the public has come to expect from those seeking the office of the President of the United States.

Standards are for the poors.


I S&P what you did there.
 
2012-07-19 05:20:16 PM  
 
2012-07-19 05:37:47 PM  
Bringing the wife out for sympathy. They must be terrified of what's in those returns.

This really just shows that business experience is no substitute for political experience and Romney is one of the least experienced candidates we've had in modern history.
 
2012-07-19 05:42:30 PM  
Even Barbara Bush would call that woman an out of touch lecherous prig.
 
2012-07-19 05:49:28 PM  
Ok, new conspiracy theory I totally made up and have no possible way of verifying and I'm totally talking out my ass here:

Mitt Romney won't releases his taxes because he's been skimping on his tithing.
 
2012-07-19 05:52:05 PM  

JerseyTim: Ok, new conspiracy theory I totally made up and have no possible way of verifying and I'm totally talking out my ass here:

Mitt Romney won't releases his taxes because he's been skimping on his tithing.


That's not a conspiracy. I would almost Guarantee that's part of it, because people questioned it for the one year he released.
 
2012-07-19 05:59:05 PM  

JerseyTim: Ok, new conspiracy theory I totally made up and have no possible way of verifying and I'm totally talking out my ass here:

Mitt Romney won't releases his taxes because he's been skimping on his tithing.


Yeah, not new.
Here's a piece from the Daily Caller in January of this year:
Romney tax returns indicate that he underpaid Mormon church tithe
 
2012-07-19 06:01:30 PM  
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2012-07-19 06:01:52 PM  

vernonFL: Presidential pets

Check out the list of Presidential Pets. Lots have owned horses, and Calvin Coolidge had an entire zoo.


Nobody gives a shiat that she owns horses, the issue for me is the $77,000 annual tax deduction they claim for it.
 
2012-07-19 06:02:24 PM  
Well, that's a colossal f*ck up. I think they need to stick Ann Romney in mothballs. She's a terrible surrogate.
 
2012-07-19 06:03:23 PM  
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Oh well then its ok then...
 
2012-07-19 06:03:39 PM  

2xhelix: Even Barbara Bush would call that woman an out of touch lecherous prig.


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2012-07-19 06:05:05 PM  
Look at where Mitt's been financially.....30 seconds later...You have no right to look at where Mitt's been financially!

WTF is wrong with these people?
 
2012-07-19 06:05:27 PM  

Elandriel: MorrisBird: The trouble with the Romneys is, not only would they not drink a beer with us, they'd damn us to hell for drinking the beer alone.

The Romneys sampled beers as wayward teens. But, never again.


Mitt tried beer, but didn't actually swallow.

/Just swished it around to note the hints of barley and hops, then spit it out.
 
2012-07-19 06:06:14 PM  

InfamousBLT: WHERE TAX RETURNS WHE


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2012-07-19 06:06:27 PM  
Is Romney not releasing his tax returns because he doesn't want everybody to see his donations to NAMBLA?

It would be irresponsible to not speculate.
 
2012-07-19 06:06:37 PM  
Mitt is neither trying to hide things, nor do things, his wife tells us.
 
2012-07-19 06:07:40 PM  
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2012-07-19 06:07:43 PM  

propasaurus: JerseyTim: Ok, new conspiracy theory I totally made up and have no possible way of verifying and I'm totally talking out my ass here:

Mitt Romney won't releases his taxes because he's been skimping on his tithing.

Yeah, not new.
Here's a piece from the Daily Caller in January of this year:
Romney tax returns indicate that he underpaid Mormon church tithe


So it turns out I'm talking out of someone else's ass.
 
2012-07-19 06:08:13 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: Mitt is neither trying to hide things, nor do things, his wife tells us.


You mean these aren't the droids we are looking for?
 
2012-07-19 06:09:16 PM  
When she does interviews criticizing the Obama campaign, is she still off-limits?
 
2012-07-19 06:09:25 PM  
"Do you think that is the kind of person that is trying to hide things, or do things?"

I hate doing things. Best not to try.
 
2012-07-19 06:09:42 PM  
Personally, I wonder if his unreleased returns will show that he personally funded the massacre in Rwanda.

What? I'm just asking questions.
 
2012-07-19 06:09:44 PM  
I'm sure that this will never come back to haunt Mitt Romney before the election. At some point, all of these cataclysmic gaffes will start overflowing their container, and nobody will be able to do anything with the ones that leak out.
 
2012-07-19 06:09:56 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Also, it should be noted, that the fact the Romney's tithe 10% of their income to the Mormon church every year is NOT charity. It's a REQUIREMENT. Giving to charity is deciding to go through your closet and giving all the clothes that don't fit you anymore to Goodwill, or working at a soup kitchen over the holidays to help feed the homeless, or helping clean a city park/playground so kids have some place to play, rather than running the streets. Charity is more than just money; it's time, it's passion, it's commitment.

If your invisible sky wizard demands you give 10% of your money to the Church every year, that's not charity. You're not giving of your own free will, you're giving because it's required of you. Charity is not required.

So fark them for calling it "charity." It's like paying Homeowner's Association dues.


The Romney's might be betting that people don't know enough about Mormons to understand the 10% is a religious requirement and not a religious option.
 
2012-07-19 06:10:15 PM  
How DARE you attack Romney's wife!? Have you NO shame!?

Oh wait I'm just channeling the liberal reaction to any and all criticism for Michelle Obama. I forgot that attacking the spouses of candidates was completely permissible provided they were married to Republicans.
 
2012-07-19 06:10:44 PM  
FTA: "He's a very generous person. We give 10 percent of our income to our church every year."

You have to your Mormon!!! It's not "generosity" to give the minimum amount you must.

Also we don't know if all you say is true or not because you refuse to show us the proof.
 
2012-07-19 06:11:24 PM  

Wyalt Derp: When she does interviews criticizing the Obama campaign, is she still off-limits?


Yes. Always. Because she's not immortal. We figured this out a couple of months ago.
 
2012-07-19 06:11:39 PM  
I heard Romney's tax returns RAPED and KILLED a girl in 1990.
 
2012-07-19 06:12:33 PM  

dave1y: She does this stuff and then they complain about how she/family, including horses, is "off-limits" to criticism from the other side. I suppose attacks from the Dems are actually redundant.


FTFY
 
2012-07-19 06:12:46 PM  

randomjsa: How DARE you attack Romney's wife!? Have you NO shame!?

Oh wait I'm just channeling the liberal reaction to any and all criticism for Michelle Obama. I forgot that attacking the spouses of candidates was completely permissible provided they were married to Republicans.


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2012-07-19 06:12:50 PM  

coco ebert: GleeUnit: I actually feel like I need to know quite a bit more about Mitt's personal financial history. In fact, all of this condescension and evasiveness is just further stoking that feeling.

What is in there that is potentially so damaging that his campaign is willing to take the beating they have taken recently (and will continue to take) rather than just releasing the stupid returns?

I'm wondering if he was part of that general amnesty given to tax evaders with Swiss bank accounts a couple of years ago.

It's hard to be anti-amnesty anything when you've benefited from one. ;)


It sounds like it. 2009 is the year that people are starting to zero in on. He ran for president in 2008, he knew he would've had to release returns for 2007 and 2008.
 
2012-07-19 06:12:58 PM  

chimp_ninja: LDS is not Bill Gates. They take in $5-7B annually in tithes, and refuse to disclose how it is spent.


Partly to keep gay Californians from marrying.
 
2012-07-19 06:14:33 PM  

Without Fail: Partly to keep gay Californians from marrying.


Are there any other kind?
 
2012-07-19 06:14:41 PM  

coco ebert: Also, I'm so f*cking sick of the argument in America that giving to charity absolves people of having to abide by a more moral social contract or you know, just pay their fair share of taxes.


Giving to groups that spend millions trying to stop gay marriage I don't consider "charity". In fact the Mormon church is horrible about helping the poor compared to most others.

Also he gave the minimum that you must give to be a Mormon. If you give less they don't let you go to the Mormons only church services.
 
2012-07-19 06:16:03 PM  

The Banana Thug: coco ebert: GleeUnit: I actually feel like I need to know quite a bit more about Mitt's personal financial history. In fact, all of this condescension and evasiveness is just further stoking that feeling.

What is in there that is potentially so damaging that his campaign is willing to take the beating they have taken recently (and will continue to take) rather than just releasing the stupid returns?

I'm wondering if he was part of that general amnesty given to tax evaders with Swiss bank accounts a couple of years ago.

It's hard to be anti-amnesty anything when you've benefited from one. ;)

It sounds like it. 2009 is the year that people are starting to zero in on. He ran for president in 2008, he knew he would've had to release returns for 2007 and 2008.


I think the theory that he managed to pay zero dollars in taxes in 2009 is also plausible.
 
2012-07-19 06:17:04 PM  

randomjsa: HERP


It's not an official FARK political thread until the partisan shiat-tards start trying to change the subject.

Takes a lot of balls to tell the public "we've given all you people need to know" when in fact you haven't told them a damn thing.
 
2012-07-19 06:17:14 PM  

chimp_ninja: "He's a very generous person. We give 10 percent of our income to our church every year."

As far as I can tell, most of that money is used to build Mormon churches and support thousands of people who run around the world trying to annoy other people into becoming Mormons.

That's a funny definition of "charity". LDS is not Bill Gates. They take in $5-7B annually in tithes, and refuse to disclose how it is spent.


Oh and spend money to influence election to stop the gays. It's like saying giving money to a political party is "charity".
 
2012-07-19 06:17:27 PM  
"Smithers, release the robotic Richard Simmons!"
 
2012-07-19 06:17:41 PM  
Romney is going to name Palin his VP. He'll have no choice after every other viable prospect turns him down. This campaign is a train-wreck.

She'll be oblivious to the fact that "Picked as VP" will come with the rider "because no one else would take the job". I look forward to another horrible election year.

And Obama will still only win by less than 1%.
 
2012-07-19 06:18:26 PM  
"Aurora Borealis?! At this time of day, at this time of year, in this part of the country and localized entirely in your kitchen!?"

"yep"

"Can I see it?"

"ummmmm....no"

/Mitt and Anne are pants-on-fire lying?
/no, mother that's just the northern lights.
 
2012-07-19 06:18:54 PM  
You people want pancakes???



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2012-07-19 06:19:47 PM  
If the rich had their way, it wouldn't be "you people". It would just be you "people".
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2012-07-19 06:19:56 PM  
Tax returns for birth certificate. Fair trade, no?
 
2012-07-19 06:20:15 PM  

Serious Black: At some point, all of these cataclysmic gaffes will start overflowing...


For some reason I first read that as "cataclysmic giraffes".
 
2012-07-19 06:20:24 PM  
You have 20 minutes to remove your campaign.
 
2012-07-19 06:20:26 PM  
"Because there are so many things that will be open again for more attack... and that's really, that's just the answer."

So... she's admitting that there are things in the tax returns that could be attacked? This isn't even a quote that's not a quote like the other article we saw, that's the quote of her from the article. That's what she said, I watched her say it. What could it be? More about them profiting from abortions? More offshore accounts? Paying taxes during an amnesty because they were using tax havens? It just makes it seem all the more enticing...
 
2012-07-19 06:21:46 PM  

downstairs: vernonFL: Presidential pets

Check out the list of Presidential Pets. Lots have owned horses, and Calvin Coolidge had an entire zoo.

John Adams
Juno, Mark, and Satan - Dogs [5]

That's awesome, John.


"Get thee behind me, Satan! And stop crapping on the floor!" - John Adams
 
2012-07-19 06:22:15 PM  
What a horrible coont.

You are running for the most public office in the country and you think that transparency is a privileged....

American's are morons.
 
2012-07-19 06:23:31 PM  
so we're to trust the guy that just says trust me I'm clean... technically...
 
2012-07-19 06:23:58 PM  

TV's Vinnie: If the rich had their way, it wouldn't be "you people". It would just be you "people".
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What is that? Medieval human centipede?
 
2012-07-19 06:24:04 PM  
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2012-07-19 06:24:58 PM  

Philip J. Fry: And Obama will still only win by less than 1%.


It's absolutely mind blowing to consider this is so true. And I can't argue it won't be.
 
2012-07-19 06:25:23 PM  
Proles. How dare you ask for more information from Party Members. We will give you what we want to and nothing more.
 
2012-07-19 06:25:41 PM  
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You people need to bow when the Lord of the Manor rides past.
 
2012-07-19 06:26:56 PM  
At least Obama got over the whole "prejudice against blacks exists so I'm being oppressed" thing. The Romneys have to get over the whole "prejudice against rich, white Mormons exists so I'm being oppressed" thing now.
 
2012-07-19 06:27:24 PM  
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2012-07-19 06:27:24 PM  
How many wives dependents does he claim?
 
2012-07-19 06:28:54 PM  
Romney household, 1953. Bedtime.

GEORGE: And Crassus said, take all of these bad men away, and...

MITT: They put them in chains, daddy! They put them in chains.

GEORGE: Yes that's right. And Crassus said, who is...

MITT: Spartacus! He wanted to know who Spartacus was!

GEORGE: That's right, Mitt. And one man stepped forward and said, I am Spartacus.

MITT: Liar! That's not the real Spartacus! He's lying!

GEORGE: Yes he was lying. And then another man stepped forward and said, No, I am Spartacus. And then another. And another.

MITT: Why do they all lie, daddy? Why couldn't they just do their jobs? Why did they run away from their jobs? Then they lie to protect the bad man who made them run away from their jobs. The banded together into a...a...

GEORGE: A union, Mitt.

MITT: A union. They had no right to do that! Why did they do that, daddy?

GEORGE: I don't know, son. I really don't know. Some people are born to be bad. So then Crassus marched the bad men along the Appian Way, and every mile, some of them stopped, and...

MITT: Crucified them! They crucified them, didn't they, Daddy?

GEORGE: Mitt, if I didn't know better, I'd say you know this bedtime story than I do! *ruffles hair*

MITT: *beams*

GEORGE: And so the bodies of the slaves were left to rot, and fall in pieces to the ground, as a warning, and never again did the slaves of Rome dare to...

(Sound of soft breathing)

GEORGE: Good night, son. Good night.
 
2012-07-19 06:29:33 PM  
When Ann Romney says: "I still look at him as this is the boy that I met, in high school, when he was pulling all the jokes, and really just being crazy. Pretty crazy. So there's a wild and crazy man inside of him ... just waiting to come out."

...it really means: "Mitt used to dress up like a cop to pull people over, and attack gay kids and forcibly cut their hair. You know, just like all wild and crazy American boys do."

So when Ann Romney says: "You know, you should really look at where Mitt has led his life, and where he's been financially. He's a very generous person. We give 10 percent of our income to our church every year. Do you think that is the kind of person that is trying to hide things, or do things? No."

...I'm not going to assume that's quite the full truth.
 
2012-07-19 06:30:51 PM  
My Spidey sense is telling me

*Someone's hiding something*
 
2012-07-19 06:31:21 PM  
They will talk about this every single day until they release them. Congrats for not understanding Amercia, Mittens. We'll forgive you if you rape your dog and kill your kid if you just come out and admit it.

People are going to get so sick of hearing about his tax returns even his most loyal supporters are going to begin to wonder what he's hiding.

Please, keep this up.
 
2012-07-19 06:31:35 PM  

coco ebert: *watches actual clip*

Wait, she not only said that, but said it to Robin Roberts, an African-American lady. FFFFUUUUUU!

Also, I'm so f*cking sick of the argument in America that giving to charity absolves people of having to abide by a more moral social contract or you know, just pay their fair share of taxes. I've never heard this justification given anywhere else. First of all, charity should refer to helping the poor or the needy, not adding another billion to a university endowment or arts council (though I think those institutions are important as well). Second, we don't all get to choose where our tax dollars go. I certainly don't want to fund our military industrial complex, but do you see me complaining about taxes? No, because I abide by the general social contract that tax revenue is needed to fund things we need, like infrastructure, public safety, and education. Stop diverting your money to pet projects (that are TAX deductible by the way), and implement a fairer tax code instead so we don't need charity in the first place!


One theory is that a tax code that encourages charity is a good thing, which I'm lukewarm on. A thing I continue to not understand is the implication that you can "exploit" this tax code. Often I hear or see references to "making too much money and giving to charity to avoid taxes." Does that work? HOW does that work?

Also church tithes still aren't charity.
 
2012-07-19 06:31:51 PM  

Kuta: The Romneys have to get over the whole "prejudice against rich, white Mormons exists so I'm being oppressed" thing now.


Nope. Not gonna happen. Even if he won 2 terms.
 
2012-07-19 06:31:53 PM  
What is Mitt Romney hiding?

Did he not "donate" enough money to his church?
Did he turn a huge profit by bankrupting healthy companies?
Did he make money by doing business with companies and organizations with... less than stellar PR, such as NAMBLA and the bin Laden family?
Did he make money every time a medical waste disposal company incinerated an aborted fetus?
Did he make money selling AK-47s to terrorists?
Did he make money selling drugs wholesale to drug dealers?

I'm not saying Rmoney did any of this, I'm just asking questions. Questions which cannot be answered until and unless he releases his tax forms.
 
2012-07-19 06:32:11 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Philip J. Fry: And Obama will still only win by less than 1%.

It's absolutely mind blowing to consider this is so true. And I can't argue it won't be.


Through a strange twist of fate, Obama will actually become the first president to receive all 538 electoral votes. However, the Republicans will win every congressional seat at the same time. They will immediately try to vote to impeach Obama for having won the election, but due to some confusion on the floor, they end up voting that John Boehner legally change his name to "Big John Sexypants."
 
2012-07-19 06:32:50 PM  

pippi longstocking: What a horrible coont.

You are running for the most public office in the country and you think that transparency is a privileged....

American's are morons.


we sure are and are getting closer to electing this d-bag President
 
2012-07-19 06:35:35 PM  
I love how Ann says they won't release the documents, "Because there are so many things that will be open again for more attack..."

Thanks for admitting there is information that could be damaging to the campaign in those returns!
 
2012-07-19 06:36:02 PM  
Actually "you people" was a last-second save to avoid saying "you humans."
 
2012-07-19 06:37:58 PM  

gilgigamesh: Ahh ha ha ha this just gets better and better. That's actually a quote! Holy crap.

Paraphrasing what someone in another thread said a few days ago, once you think the trainwreck is over, another boxcar comes flying over the top of the pile-up.

These are people who have lived all their lives in a rarified bubble, and for the first time in decades, they are being exposed to what they obviously consider the rabble they have decided they are now entitled to govern. And they have absolutely no idea how to talk to us. It's glaring, and its stark to everyone but them, and they simply can't understand why they are being hammered by all this scrutiny by the plebian masses.

They've had decades of conditioning as demigods, and there is absolutely no way they are going to learn how to talk to the people in the 3 or 4 months they have to learn. But it will be fun to watch.


Really? You got all that from a rather innocuous quote.

Easily excitable, are we?
 
2012-07-19 06:38:25 PM  
Maybe he will give us new retroactive tax returns for past years.
 
2012-07-19 06:38:59 PM  
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2012-07-19 06:39:19 PM  
What can you glean from a tax return that you can't get out of a background check or what is otherwise public information? Like actually quantifying the mortgage deduction on one of his giant mansions is going to make him any less a worthy candidate for the office.
 
2012-07-19 06:39:58 PM  

SithLord: Tax returns for birth certificate. Fair trade, no?


No, Birth certificate for birth certificate: Advantage, Obama 2 to 0. Tax returns for Tax returns: Advantage, Obama 12 to .75. School records for school records: Draw, 0 to 0. And any other document for any other document. Romney's still playing catch up, badly.
 
2012-07-19 06:40:51 PM  
How active in a campaign can a spouse be before its pretty legitimate to start putting them under the microscope? I mean going on national TV to not just defend your spouse but to attach their opponent would seem pretty damn active.

Virulency: so we're to trust the guy that just says trust me I'm clean... technically...


It's worse than that even:

"Trust me, I'm clean, even though I admit there are thousands of pages of financial documents that would make me look so bad that having people speculate what's in them is better than them finding out for sure what I've been up to for the last decade."
 
2012-07-19 06:41:36 PM  

wxboy: "You know, you should really look at where Mitt has led his life, and where he's been financially," she said in her interview with Robin Roberts.

If only there was a way to see where Mitt has been financially the last 10 years...


This is what struck me, way more than the "you people" remark.
 
2012-07-19 06:41:40 PM  
Puny mortals!
 
2012-07-19 06:41:51 PM  
Because there are so many things that will be open again for more attack

And there you have it. Isn't this basically the same thing Mitt said a couple days ago?
 
2012-07-19 06:42:06 PM  

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: How active in a campaign can a spouse be before its pretty legitimate to start putting them under the microscope? I mean going on national TV to not just defend your spouse but to attach their opponent would seem pretty damn active.


She has a disease. She is unassailable. Haven't you heard?
 
2012-07-19 06:42:08 PM  

Shaggy_C: What can you glean from a tax return that you can't get out of a background check or what is otherwise public information? Like actually quantifying the mortgage deduction on one of his giant mansions is going to make him any less a worthy candidate for the office.


I don't know, but Annie seems to think there's a goldmine there.
 
2012-07-19 06:42:25 PM  
They were not easy years.

We were happy, studying hard. Neither one of us had a job, because Mitt had enough of an investment from stock that we could sell off a little at a time.

The stock came from Mitt's father. When he took over American Motors, the stock was worth nothing. But he invested Mitt's birthday money year to year - it wasn't much, a few thousand, but he put it into American Motors because he believed in himself. Five years later, stock that had been $6 a share was $96 and Mitt cashed it so we could live and pay for education.

Mitt and I walked to class together, shared housekeeping, had a lot of pasta and tuna fish and learned hard lessons.

We were living on the edge, not entertaining. No, I did not work. Mitt thought it was important for me to stay home with the children, and I was delighted.

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2012-07-19 06:43:38 PM  

Shaggy_C: What can you glean from a tax return that you can't get out of a background check or what is otherwise public information? Like actually quantifying the mortgage deduction on one of his giant mansions is going to make him any less a worthy candidate for the office.


Well how much he paid in taxes for one. If what you say is true then he should have no problem releasing his taxes since according to you it's all public info.

Tell us if it's all public info, how much did he pay in taxes and make the last 10 years. You say it's all public records, so tell us then. Or are you full of shiat like normal?
 
2012-07-19 06:43:45 PM  

what_now: Which is weird, because that's all they've been doing since 2007.


2004. He really only governed for two years before he started campaigning for Pres.
 
2012-07-19 06:44:17 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: How active in a campaign can a spouse be before its pretty legitimate to start putting them under the microscope? I mean going on national TV to not just defend your spouse but to attach their opponent would seem pretty damn active.

She has a disease. She is unassailable. Haven't you heard?


Well, her MS horse with dressage training really helps her. That's why it's tax-deductible.
 
2012-07-19 06:45:11 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: They were not easy years.

We were happy, studying hard. Neither one of us had a job, because Mitt had enough of an investment from stock that we could sell off a little at a time.

The stock came from Mitt's father. When he took over American Motors, the stock was worth nothing. But he invested Mitt's birthday money year to year - it wasn't much, a few thousand, but he put it into American Motors because he believed in himself. Five years later, stock that had been $6 a share was $96 and Mitt cashed it so we could live and pay for education.

Mitt and I walked to class together, shared housekeeping, had a lot of pasta and tuna fish and learned hard lessons.

We were living on the edge, not entertaining. No, I did not work. Mitt thought it was important for me to stay home with the children, and I was delighted.

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This is why Romney is horrible. His home was bought for him and he thinks he had it as rough or rougher than most people. He had shiat handed to him left and right and he thinks he had it as hard as everyone else.
 
2012-07-19 06:45:25 PM  
You'd think he'd release the records now and get it over with, instead of letting it build, and build, and build....
 
2012-07-19 06:46:12 PM  
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2012-07-19 06:46:21 PM  
I love how it is perceived that jobs left the country as opposed to the deliberate outsourcing of jobs by the "job creators".

it sickens me.

/I am the you people.
 
2012-07-19 06:46:30 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Also, it should be noted, that the fact the Romney's tithe 10% of their income to the Mormon church every year is NOT charity. It's a REQUIREMENT. Giving to charity is deciding to go through your closet and giving all the clothes that don't fit you anymore to Goodwill, or working at a soup kitchen over the holidays to help feed the homeless, or helping clean a city park/playground so kids have some place to play, rather than running the streets. Charity is more than just money; it's time, it's passion, it's commitment.

If your invisible sky wizard demands you give 10% of your money to the Church every year, that's not charity. You're not giving of your own free will, you're giving because it's required of you. Charity is not required.

So fark them for calling it "charity." It's like paying Homeowner's Association dues.


Your tolerance for good deeds is laudable.
 
2012-07-19 06:46:35 PM  

farkityfarker: You'd think he'd release the records now and get it over with, instead of letting it build, and build, and build....


He knows if he does it would destroy his chances that's why he is not.
 
2012-07-19 06:47:26 PM  
Look, it's a totally innocuous quote, taken out of context. It's not fair to attack her for this, any idiot should know that's not what she said.

And did you hear? Obama said you didn't build your own business because you're not smart and you don't work hard.
 
2012-07-19 06:47:27 PM  

chimp_ninja: "He's a very generous person. We give 10 percent of our income to our church every year."

As far as I can tell, most of that money is used to build Mormon churches and support thousands of people who run around the world trying to annoy other people into becoming Mormons.

That's a funny definition of "charity". LDS is not Bill Gates. They take in $5-7B annually in tithes, and refuse to disclose how it is spent.


No disclosure eh? It would be wonderful if documents emerged showing that millions of dollars from that fund ended up in a pro Romney super pac. I wonder if that would be legal?
 
2012-07-19 06:48:01 PM  

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: How active in a campaign can a spouse be before its pretty legitimate to start putting them under the microscope? I mean going on national TV to not just defend your spouse but to attach their opponent would seem pretty damn active.

Virulency: so we're to trust the guy that just says trust me I'm clean... technically...

It's worse than that even:

"Trust me, I'm clean, even though I admit there are thousands of pages of financial documents that would make me look so bad that having people speculate what's in them is better than them finding out for sure what I've been up to for the last decade."


nothing illegal but hes the guy that finds loopholes in monopoly by redefining words in the dictionary....
 
2012-07-19 06:48:38 PM  

Virulency: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: How active in a campaign can a spouse be before its pretty legitimate to start putting them under the microscope? I mean going on national TV to not just defend your spouse but to attach their opponent would seem pretty damn active.

Virulency: so we're to trust the guy that just says trust me I'm clean... technically...

It's worse than that even:

"Trust me, I'm clean, even though I admit there are thousands of pages of financial documents that would make me look so bad that having people speculate what's in them is better than them finding out for sure what I've been up to for the last decade."

nothing illegal but hes the guy that finds loopholes in monopoly by redefining words in the dictionary....


I retroactively REROLL THAT!!
 
2012-07-19 06:48:42 PM  

Shaggy_C: What can you glean from a tax return that you can't get out of a background check or what is otherwise public information? Like actually quantifying the mortgage deduction on one of his giant mansions is going to make him any less a worthy candidate for the office.


Anyone running for office on the "I, and people like me, pay too much in taxes" are asking us to judge them on the reasonableness of their judgment. Judgment is a pretty serious criteria for the office of the presidency. If someone is paying an effective rate of 15% or less for a number of years on their taxes, and still claiming they are taxed too much, it brings into doubt their judgment. It means that they may not be able to see reality in a reasonable manner. Therefore, it is imperative to see the returns so we can see on what he bases his claim that he is taxed too much.
 
2012-07-19 06:48:44 PM  

RyogaM: SithLord: Tax returns for birth certificate. Fair trade, no?

No, Birth certificate for birth certificate: Advantage, Obama 2 to 0. Tax returns for Tax returns: Advantage, Obama 12 to .75. School records for school records: Draw, 0 to 0. And any other document for any other document. Romney's still playing catch up, badly.


Romney did release his birth certificate, I even tried to submit a link but they didn't green light it.
 
2012-07-19 06:48:50 PM  

farkityfarker: You'd think he'd release the records now and get it over with, instead of letting it build, and build, and build....


I'm almost wondering if this isn't some great troll job. Get everyone focused on the tax returns and worked up into a frenzy, and then he releases them a month or two before the election, and there really isn't anything damning in them. Then he could say "See? They'll just say anything to make me look bad, and there was nothing to worry about after all!"

Of course, Obama has already proven to be far better at trolling to opposition, so I don't really see this happening.
 
2012-07-19 06:49:37 PM  

Trey Le Parc: Your tolerance for good deeds is laudable.


I hear there's a sale on indulgences.
 
2012-07-19 06:50:25 PM  

wxboy: "You know, you should really look at where Mitt has led his life, and where he's been financially," she said in her interview with Robin Roberts.

If only there was a way to see where Mitt has been financially the last 10 years...


He's rich. That means he's a good person. Blessed. Smart.

That's all you need to know. He's a good businessman because he's rich...
 
2012-07-19 06:50:30 PM  
You know what? At this point, I'm starting to believe that Romney probably received some big Federal grant for something in one of those years.

It's not that his tax rate is too low, it's that we're actually GIVING him tax dollars.

He's a hypocritical piece-of-shiat, in other words. Like every Republican politician, and most Republican voters.
 
2012-07-19 06:51:05 PM  
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2012-07-19 06:51:06 PM  

TheBigJerk: One theory is that a tax code that encourages charity is a good thing, which I'm lukewarm on. A thing I continue to not understand is the implication that you can "exploit" this tax code. Often I hear or see references to "making too much money and giving to charity to avoid taxes." Does that work? HOW does that work?


Well, for example, you can create your own charity, and appoint all your buddies to its board. Then your charity does a few token works, but mostly exists to pay your buddies exorbitant salaries.

I'm not saying Romney did this, mind. I'm just saying, that's one way you can exploit the tax code.
 
2012-07-19 06:52:03 PM  
Do Ann Romney and George Zimmerman have the same speech writer?
 
2012-07-19 06:52:04 PM  
Ann Romney: Because there are so many things that will be open again for more attack... [laughs brokenly] and that's really, that's just the answer. And we've given all you people need to know and understand about our financial situation and about how we live our life.

Brian Fantana: Take it easy, Ann. Why don't you stop talking for a while?

Ron Burgundy: Yeah, sit the next couple plays out, if you know what I mean.
 
2012-07-19 06:52:07 PM  

RyogaM: SithLord: Tax returns for birth certificate. Fair trade, no?

No, Birth certificate for birth certificate: Advantage, Obama 2 to 1. Tax returns for Tax returns: Advantage, Obama 12 to .75. School records for school records: Draw, 0 to 0. And any other document for any other document. Romney's still playing catch up, badly.


Let's be fair... Romney did release his short form.
 
2012-07-19 06:52:41 PM  

RyogaM: Anyone running for office on the "I, and people like me, pay too much in taxes" are asking us to judge them on the reasonableness of their judgment. Judgment is a pretty serious criteria for the office of the presidency. If someone is paying an effective rate of 15% or less for a number of years on their taxes, and still claiming they are taxed too much, it brings into doubt their judgment.


We already know that from one year though, so what's your point?

This is the birth certificate all over again. Where is Barry Soetoro's Occidental College transcript? Why won't he release it? Just asking questions. Blah blah blah. Farking party loyalists and their petty witch hunts. Democrats in 2012 are acting like Republicans in 2010 - like children. Gets old fast.
 
2012-07-19 06:53:23 PM  
Giving 10% to your cult which demands it is not farking charity you dumb coont. It is the payment due to remain a member of said cult.
 
2012-07-19 06:53:24 PM  

codergirl42: RyogaM: SithLord: Tax returns for birth certificate. Fair trade, no?

No, Birth certificate for birth certificate: Advantage, Obama 2 to 0. Tax returns for Tax returns: Advantage, Obama 12 to .75. School records for school records: Draw, 0 to 0. And any other document for any other document. Romney's still playing catch up, badly.

Romney did release his birth certificate, I even tried to submit a link but they didn't green light it.


Here it is, just for posterity:

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2012-07-19 06:53:34 PM  

codergirl42: RyogaM: SithLord: Tax returns for birth certificate. Fair trade, no?

No, Birth certificate for birth certificate: Advantage, Obama 2 to 0. Tax returns for Tax returns: Advantage, Obama 12 to .75. School records for school records: Draw, 0 to 0. And any other document for any other document. Romney's still playing catch up, badly.

Romney did release his birth certificate, I even tried to submit a link but they didn't green light it.


Long form? Just kidding. That means on BCs, they're tied. Now, he's only behind on the Tax returns.
 
2012-07-19 06:54:01 PM  
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2012-07-19 06:54:24 PM  

Kibbler: You have 20 minutes to remove your campaign.


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2012-07-19 06:55:07 PM  

LRA61380: I completely disagree with everything she had to say (about not releasing taxes), but I kind of feel like the "you people" thing is being blown out of proportion a bit. I'm guessing "you people" means either the media or the people who are attacking her husband. I don't think she meant the American people as a whole.


Just FYI, the media is the proxy for the electorate in the US. We can't all interview public and powerful figures individually, so they facilitate it for us.

Whether or not she said it directly, in the end, the effect was exactly "you people" in the sense of "the American electorate".
 
2012-07-19 06:55:11 PM  
Considering how much Romney is stalling on the returns when it is obvious that he will have to release the mat some point, I can't help but wonder if he has people going through and changing the stuff that he doesnt' want people to see.
 
2012-07-19 06:55:17 PM  
well, looks like Pelosi is now backing down from this request too.

Pelosi said the issue was trivial compared with economic issues.
"We spent too much time on that. We should be talking about middle-income tax cuts," Pelosi said after answering two questions about the issue.


this is just a big trolling by Romney.
- Keep 0bama whining about something the voters don't care about.
- Release tax returns much later
- 0bama then has nothing to attack on because he looks like the guy who cried wolf.

0bama isn't running a positive campaign about his record and what he will do the next four years so he has to attack. Romney knows that.
 
2012-07-19 06:55:36 PM  

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Well, they are nice places to go if you ever want to visit your millions.
 
2012-07-19 06:55:58 PM  

Trey Le Parc: Coco LaFemme: Also, it should be noted, that the fact the Romney's tithe 10% of their income to the Mormon church every year is NOT charity. It's a REQUIREMENT. Giving to charity is deciding to go through your closet and giving all the clothes that don't fit you anymore to Goodwill, or working at a soup kitchen over the holidays to help feed the homeless, or helping clean a city park/playground so kids have some place to play, rather than running the streets. Charity is more than just money; it's time, it's passion, it's commitment.

If your invisible sky wizard demands you give 10% of your money to the Church every year, that's not charity. You're not giving of your own free will, you're giving because it's required of you. Charity is not required.

So fark them for calling it "charity." It's like paying Homeowner's Association dues.

Your tolerance for good deeds is laudable.


Tithing 10% to a church that, in turn, uses 0.7% of its income for charity is not a good deed.
 
2012-07-19 06:56:08 PM  
Why do I get the feeling Mitt has fed a kitten to an ATM before?
 
2012-07-19 06:57:59 PM  
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2012-07-19 06:58:08 PM  

Shaggy_C: RyogaM: Anyone running for office on the "I, and people like me, pay too much in taxes" are asking us to judge them on the reasonableness of their judgment. Judgment is a pretty serious criteria for the office of the presidency. If someone is paying an effective rate of 15% or less for a number of years on their taxes, and still claiming they are taxed too much, it brings into doubt their judgment.

We already know that from one year though, so what's your point?

This is the birth certificate all over again. Where is Barry Soetoro's Occidental College transcript? Why won't he release it? Just asking questions. Blah blah blah. Farking party loyalists and their petty witch hunts. Democrats in 2012 are acting like Republicans in 2010 - like children. Gets old fast.


You said all the information is already public. So then how much did he pay in taxes the last 10 years and how much did he make and from who?

You are so full of shiat.
 
2012-07-19 06:58:09 PM  
Still waiting for Anonymous to dox them.
 
2012-07-19 06:58:22 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: 0bama isn't running a positive campaign about his record and what he will do the next four years so he has to attack. Romney knows that.


He's not running a positive campaign because unfortunately, negative campaigns have been shown to be far more effective. It sucks, and I wish neither side would do it, but no one's going to stop using a tool that works. Hell, half of talk radio is essentially a non-stop negative campaign against Obama, and I don't see many conservatives complaining about that.
 
2012-07-19 06:58:32 PM  

Shaggy_C: RyogaM: Anyone running for office on the "I, and people like me, pay too much in taxes" are asking us to judge them on the reasonableness of their judgment. Judgment is a pretty serious criteria for the office of the presidency. If someone is paying an effective rate of 15% or less for a number of years on their taxes, and still claiming they are taxed too much, it brings into doubt their judgment.

We already know that from one year though, so what's your point?

This is the birth certificate all over again. Where is Barry Soetoro's Occidental College transcript? Why won't he release it? Just asking questions. Blah blah blah. Farking party loyalists and their petty witch hunts. Democrats in 2012 are acting like Republicans in 2010 - like children. Gets old fast.


One year is not enough to judge whether he pays too much in taxes, as Romney thinks he does. One year of massaged numbers could be a fluke. He thinks he is paying too much on taxes, but we cannot know on what he basis his opinion. Obama has already released records back to 2000. And, no, it is not the same as school records, but, if Romney releases his school records, and there is some way to glean something important from them, then I would say Obama should, too. But there really isn't anything relevant you can take away from school records, and Republicans know it.
 
2012-07-19 06:59:07 PM  

one small post for man: Why do I get the feeling Mitt has fed a kitten to an ATM before?


Well, to be fair, the cat was named "Cash" and the ATM is clearly labeled as to where you can "deposit cash."
 
2012-07-19 06:59:56 PM  
I'm surprised it was such a small slip.
 
2012-07-19 06:59:57 PM  

HeartBurnKid: TheBigJerk: One theory is that a tax code that encourages charity is a good thing, which I'm lukewarm on. A thing I continue to not understand is the implication that you can "exploit" this tax code. Often I hear or see references to "making too much money and giving to charity to avoid taxes." Does that work? HOW does that work?

Well, for example, you can create your own charity, and appoint all your buddies to its board. Then your charity does a few token works, but mostly exists to pay your buddies exorbitant salaries.

I'm not saying Romney did this, mind. I'm just saying, that's one way you can exploit the tax code.


Just over half of Romney's 2010 giving went to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. The Romneys didn't have much choice there: The church requires Mormons to tithe 10 percent of their income to remain members in good standing. The rest of the money went to the Tyler Foundation, a 501(c3) nonprofit funded exclusively by the Romneys.
 
2012-07-19 07:00:07 PM  
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2012-07-19 07:00:28 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Also, it should be noted, that the fact the Romney's tithe 10% of their income to the Mormon church every year is NOT charity. It's a REQUIREMENT. Giving to charity is deciding to go through your closet and giving all the clothes that don't fit you anymore to Goodwill, or working at a soup kitchen over the holidays to help feed the homeless, or helping clean a city park/playground so kids have some place to play, rather than running the streets. Charity is more than just money; it's time, it's passion, it's commitment.

If your invisible sky wizard demands you give 10% of your money to the Church every year, that's not charity. You're not giving of your own free will, you're giving because it's required of you. Charity is not required.

So fark them for calling it "charity." It's like paying Homeowner's Association dues.


So much this.

When I hear them all high-and-mighty saying they give generously to charity... NO THEY DON'T! That tithe is NOT optional. Charity IS optional, and they don't give hardly a damn dime.

They won't release the returns. There's something in there worse than all this attention.
 
2012-07-19 07:00:42 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: well, looks like Pelosi is now backing down from this request too.

Pelosi said the issue was trivial compared with economic issues.
"We spent too much time on that. We should be talking about middle-income tax cuts," Pelosi said after answering two questions about the issue.

this is just a big trolling by Romney.
- Keep 0bama whining about something the voters don't care about.
- Release tax returns much later
- 0bama then has nothing to attack on because he looks like the guy who cried wolf.

0bama isn't running a positive campaign about his record and what he will do the next four years so he has to attack. Romney knows that.


Good plan for Romney there. Too bad his wife seems to think those returns contain harmful information
 
2012-07-19 07:01:25 PM  
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2012-07-19 07:01:33 PM  

brianbankerus: Coco LaFemme: Also, it should be noted, that the fact the Romney's tithe 10% of their income to the Mormon church every year is NOT charity. It's a REQUIREMENT. Giving to charity is deciding to go through your closet and giving all the clothes that don't fit you anymore to Goodwill, or working at a soup kitchen over the holidays to help feed the homeless, or helping clean a city park/playground so kids have some place to play, rather than running the streets. Charity is more than just money; it's time, it's passion, it's commitment.

If your invisible sky wizard demands you give 10% of your money to the Church every year, that's not charity. You're not giving of your own free will, you're giving because it's required of you. Charity is not required.

So fark them for calling it "charity." It's like paying Homeowner's Association dues.

So much this.

When I hear them all high-and-mighty saying they give generously to charity... NO THEY DON'T! That tithe is NOT optional. Charity IS optional, and they don't give hardly a damn dime.

They won't release the returns. There's something in there worse than all this attention.


Not only that, I don't consider financially supporting a hate organization to be "charity."
 
2012-07-19 07:01:37 PM  
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2012-07-19 07:01:51 PM  

RyogaM: codergirl42: RyogaM: SithLord: Tax returns for birth certificate. Fair trade, no?

No, Birth certificate for birth certificate: Advantage, Obama 2 to 0. Tax returns for Tax returns: Advantage, Obama 12 to .75. School records for school records: Draw, 0 to 0. And any other document for any other document. Romney's still playing catch up, badly.

Romney did release his birth certificate, I even tried to submit a link but they didn't green light it.

Long form? Just kidding. That means on BCs, they're tied. Now, he's only behind on the Tax returns.


No it was the short form. Here's a link Link
 
2012-07-19 07:03:42 PM  

MorrisBird: Shaggy_C: What can you glean from a tax return that you can't get out of a background check or what is otherwise public information? Like actually quantifying the mortgage deduction on one of his giant mansions is going to make him any less a worthy candidate for the office.

I don't know, but Annie seems to think there's a goldmine there.


This.

/bears, repeating
 
2012-07-19 07:03:44 PM  
So they just send her out to be outraged once in a while?
Can we get her shopped into a "leave Mitt alone" picture.
 
2012-07-19 07:04:44 PM  

Nightmaretony: Still waiting for Anonymous to dox them.


I heard somewhere that McCain's opposition research file on Romney is floating around on teh interwebs. I should go look for it; it'd be rather interesting.
 
2012-07-19 07:05:03 PM  
The Republicans have spent ten years convincing me that revealing my private information is only a problem if I have something to hide. Why won't he just release the returns?
 
2012-07-19 07:05:15 PM  

codergirl42: RyogaM: SithLord: Tax returns for birth certificate. Fair trade, no?

No, Birth certificate for birth certificate: Advantage, Obama 2 to 0. Tax returns for Tax returns: Advantage, Obama 12 to .75. School records for school records: Draw, 0 to 0. And any other document for any other document. Romney's still playing catch up, badly.

Romney did release his birth certificate, I even tried to submit a link but they didn't green light it.


Really? You are calling the same kind of certificate of live birth that President Obama released in 2007 a birth certificate now?
 
2012-07-19 07:05:37 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Nightmaretony: Still waiting for Anonymous to dox them.

I heard somewhere that McCain's opposition research file on Romney is floating around on teh interwebs. I should go look for it; it'd be rather interesting.


Yes but that is before he gave him his tax returns.
 
2012-07-19 07:06:21 PM  

Diogenes: LRA61380: I completely disagree with everything she had to say (about not releasing taxes), but I kind of feel like the "you people" thing is being blown out of proportion a bit. I'm guessing "you people" means either the media or the people who are attacking her husband. I don't think she meant the American people as a whole.

I say it all the time. I think she meant the "media hounds". But I bet you she was thinking "liberal media."


She said it to a BLACK interviewer and it fits very well in the teabagger fantasy that BLACK people with their BLACK president have taken over the country and true patriots WANT THEIR COUNTRY BACK.

I get the feeling that the Romneys are uncomfortable around blacks (after all they grew up while the Mormon church officially shunned them).

When the Romneys step out of the FOX bubble where they have mate a point of doing all of their interviews, I think it would be a hoot to always have a black person to interview them just to see them squirm and blurt out their classist feelings.
 
2012-07-19 07:06:36 PM  
Democrats aren't the only ones who are curious. If Mitt thinks this is just going away he is a fool. The speculation is going to turn ugly real fast.
 
2012-07-19 07:06:36 PM  
We're not allowed to ask Mitt about his time at Bain. Real Americans don't care about his position on Afghanistan. His time as Governor of Massachusetts is off-limits. Hell, I've got nothing else. Vote Romney, because it's none of your farking business.
 
2012-07-19 07:06:41 PM  
Do you think that is the kind of person that is trying to hide things, or do things? No. He is so good about it. Then, when he was governor of Massachusetts, didn't take a salary in the four years."



Non denial, denial.
 
2012-07-19 07:06:41 PM  

Corvus: You said all the information is already public. So then how much did he pay in taxes the last 10 years and how much did he make and from who?


I didn't say that. I asked what you can glean from a tax return that you can't get from a background check in terms of a hiring decision. Would you demand tax returns from every person applying for a job at yo---- actually, never mind. Knowing your spastic episodes and angry demeanor online, I think I already know the answer. Let's just stop before you make a fool of yourself once again.

RyogaM: One year is not enough to judge whether he pays too much in taxes, as Romney thinks he does. One year of massaged numbers could be a fluke. He thinks he is paying too much on taxes, but we cannot know on what he basis his opinion.


Classic Tu Quoque fail. You don't have to have experienced something personally to have an opinion about it. Besides, I've never heard R-Money complaining about his personal tax burden - he always frames it as the burden paid by small business owners.
 
2012-07-19 07:08:20 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: well, looks like Pelosi is now backing down from this request too.

Pelosi said the issue was trivial compared with economic issues.
"We spent too much time on that. We should be talking about middle-income tax cuts," Pelosi said after answering two questions about the issue.

this is just a big trolling by Romney.
- Keep 0bama whining about something the voters don't care about.
- Release tax returns much later
- 0bama then has nothing to attack on because he looks like the guy who cried wolf.

0bama isn't running a positive campaign about his record and what he will do the next four years so he has to attack. Romney knows that.


Yeah, I totally don't give a fark about Pelosi, you old bigot.

Romney is hiding something, period. I know it. You know it. We all know it.

Go be bigoted and cowardly somewhere else.
 
2012-07-19 07:09:35 PM  

gimmegimme: The Republicans have spent ten years convincing me that revealing my private information is only a problem if I have something to hide. Why won't he just release the returns?


He has got something hide, obviously. Not only that it must be anywhere from really bad to career destroying for him. Releasing tax returns has become standard, the fact that he won't do it is very telling.
 
2012-07-19 07:09:38 PM  

Aldon: codergirl42: RyogaM: SithLord: Tax returns for birth certificate. Fair trade, no?

No, Birth certificate for birth certificate: Advantage, Obama 2 to 0. Tax returns for Tax returns: Advantage, Obama 12 to .75. School records for school records: Draw, 0 to 0. And any other document for any other document. Romney's still playing catch up, badly.

Romney did release his birth certificate, I even tried to submit a link but they didn't green light it.

Really? You are calling the same kind of certificate of live birth that President Obama released in 2007 a birth certificate now?


What? I never said Obama's wasn't real. I was just stating the Rmoney released something birth-certificate like to correct the incorrect stats posted above.
 
2012-07-19 07:09:55 PM  
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I need to use this more.
 
2012-07-19 07:10:19 PM  
Little people.
Big whopping guillotine!
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2012-07-19 07:10:53 PM  

Shaggy_C: RyogaM: Anyone running for office on the "I, and people like me, pay too much in taxes" are asking us to judge them on the reasonableness of their judgment. Judgment is a pretty serious criteria for the office of the presidency. If someone is paying an effective rate of 15% or less for a number of years on their taxes, and still claiming they are taxed too much, it brings into doubt their judgment.

We already know that from one year though, so what's your point?

This is the birth certificate all over again. Where is Barry Soetoro's Occidental College transcript? Why won't he release it? Just asking questions. Blah blah blah. Farking party loyalists and their petty witch hunts. Democrats in 2012 are acting like Republicans in 2010 - like children. Gets old fast.


So, a candidate who's running on his financial experience and acumen refusing to release more than two years of tax returns because he's afraid people might pick on him is just a poor innocent victim of a party loyalist witch hunt?

Do you actually read what you type before you hit Add Comment, or do you just smash your face on the keyboard, say "That'll do 'er", and submit?
 
2012-07-19 07:10:53 PM  

Shaggy_C: Corvus: You said all the information is already public. So then how much did he pay in taxes the last 10 years and how much did he make and from who?

I didn't say that. I asked what you can glean from a tax return that you can't get from a background check in terms of a hiring decision. Would you demand tax returns from every person applying for a job at yo---- actually, never mind. Knowing your spastic episodes and angry demeanor online, I think I already know the answer. Let's just stop before you make a fool of yourself once again.

RyogaM: One year is not enough to judge whether he pays too much in taxes, as Romney thinks he does. One year of massaged numbers could be a fluke. He thinks he is paying too much on taxes, but we cannot know on what he basis his opinion.

Classic Tu Quoque fail. You don't have to have experienced something personally to have an opinion about it. Besides, I've never heard R-Money complaining about his personal tax burden - he always frames it as the burden paid by small business owners.


Because campaigning for president is exactly the same as applying to work at WalMart
 
2012-07-19 07:11:52 PM  
So he makes a lot of money and probably does not want to be persecuted for his donations to his Church.
 
2012-07-19 07:11:57 PM  

Shaggy_C: Corvus: You said all the information is already public. So then how much did he pay in taxes the last 10 years and how much did he make and from who?

I didn't say that. I asked what you can glean from a tax return that you can't get from a background check in terms of a hiring decision. Would you demand tax returns from every person applying for a job at yo---- actually, never mind. Knowing your spastic episodes and angry demeanor online, I think I already know the answer. Let's just stop before you make a fool of yourself once again.


I told you. It will show how much taxes he paid and what sources he was getting money from! How can we get that information?

Actually all jobs I apply for I have more scrutiny then Romney gets.
 
2012-07-19 07:12:38 PM  

kapaso: gimmegimme: The Republicans have spent ten years convincing me that revealing my private information is only a problem if I have something to hide. Why won't he just release the returns?

He has got something hide, obviously. Not only that it must be anywhere from really bad to career destroying for him. Releasing tax returns has become standard, the fact that he won't do it is very telling.


I LOVE the fact that the McCain folks know about all of the dirty laundry. Wouldn't it be awesome if McCain dropped that information?
 
2012-07-19 07:13:54 PM  
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2012-07-19 07:14:41 PM  
Then, when he was governor of Massachusetts, didn't take a salary in the four years.

You know whenever I hear about someone in high position, such as a CEO or whatever, not taking a salary or else being paid $1 a year or something like that, I realize that's not a good thing. No one can live on zero income. All it means is that they are trying to avoid paying income/payroll taxes.
 
2012-07-19 07:14:59 PM  

codergirl42: Aldon: codergirl42: RyogaM: SithLord: Tax returns for birth certificate. Fair trade, no?

No, Birth certificate for birth certificate: Advantage, Obama 2 to 0. Tax returns for Tax returns: Advantage, Obama 12 to .75. School records for school records: Draw, 0 to 0. And any other document for any other document. Romney's still playing catch up, badly.

Romney did release his birth certificate, I even tried to submit a link but they didn't green light it.

Really? You are calling the same kind of certificate of live birth that President Obama released in 2007 a birth certificate now?

What? I never said Obama's wasn't real. I was just stating the Rmoney released something birth-certificate like to correct the incorrect stats posted above.


I'm just saying we have had 3 years of conservatives saying the short form wasn't a birth certificate and President Obama needed to release his birth certificate. So the score is birth certificate Obama=1 Romney=0.

Why should Romney get credit for the short form when The President didn't?
 
2012-07-19 07:15:04 PM  
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2012-07-19 07:15:16 PM  

stewmadness: So he makes a lot of money and probably does not want to be persecuted for his donations to his Church.


This has already been covered in great detail. He tithes to his bigoted faith organization/cult. If we believe him, he has given tens of millions of dollars--if not more--to support their humanitarian worksanti-gay agenda and efforts to feed Books of Mormon to starving Africans.
 
2012-07-19 07:16:09 PM  

dericwater: Elandriel: MorrisBird: The trouble with the Romneys is, not only would they not drink a beer with us, they'd damn us to hell for drinking the beer alone.

The Romneys sampled beers as wayward teens. But, never again.

Mitt tried beer, but didn't actually swallow.

/Just swished it around to note the hints of barley and hops, then spit it out.


Wait, don't robots run on booze?
 
2012-07-19 07:16:39 PM  

one small post for man: Because campaigning for president is exactly the same as applying to work at WalMart


There's no requirement that a candidate be anything other than over the age of 35 and a non-naturalized US citizen. Beyond that it's up to the voters. They don't even have to have to be able to read or any education whatsoever. So, in many ways, the job of president actually has less mandated requirements than the Walmart clerk. So while "the people" can demand whatever they want there's no obligation to do anything. And in this case, it's not "the people", it's partisan hacks and their media enablers trying to invent a scandal in an otherwise boring part of the election year before the conventions.

Teufelaffe: So, a candidate who's running on his financial experience and acumen refusing to release more than two years of tax returns because he's afraid people might pick on him is just a poor innocent victim of a party loyalist witch hunt?


What does financial experience and acumen have to do with personal finances? You're making the jump from macro to micro in much the same way as the Teabagger who thinks credit card debt is bad so therefore we should vote to default the United States. I know plenty of people whose at-work output shows sheer genius while their personal lives are absolute disasters. It's more common than you think.
 
2012-07-19 07:16:51 PM  

SN1987a goes boom: Then, when he was governor of Massachusetts, didn't take a salary in the four years.

You know whenever I hear about someone in high position, such as a CEO or whatever, not taking a salary or else being paid $1 a year or something like that, I realize that's not a good thing. No one can live on zero income. All it means is that they are trying to avoid paying income/payroll taxes.


Cut him some slack, the poor man went without a salary for four years and then was unemployed for six more. Poor Mittens can't find a job with a resume like that. Certainly not in today's economy.
 
2012-07-19 07:17:08 PM  

gimmegimme: kapaso: gimmegimme: The Republicans have spent ten years convincing me that revealing my private information is only a problem if I have something to hide. Why won't he just release the returns?

He has got something hide, obviously. Not only that it must be anywhere from really bad to career destroying for him. Releasing tax returns has become standard, the fact that he won't do it is very telling.

I LOVE the fact that the McCain folks know about all of the dirty laundry. Wouldn't it be awesome if McCain dropped that information?


The fact that the returns maybe floating around out in the wild already must be keeping the Romney campaign up at night.
 
2012-07-19 07:18:18 PM  

Adam West for President: dericwater: Elandriel: MorrisBird: The trouble with the Romneys is, not only would they not drink a beer with us, they'd damn us to hell for drinking the beer alone.

The Romneys sampled beers as wayward teens. But, never again.

Mitt tried beer, but didn't actually swallow.

/Just swished it around to note the hints of barley and hops, then spit it out.

Wait, don't robots run on booze?


Get that man some löbrau
 
2012-07-19 07:18:48 PM  

Aldon: I'm just saying we have had 3 years of conservatives saying the short form wasn't a birth certificate and President Obama needed to release his birth certificate. So the score is birth certificate Obama=1 Romney=0.

Why should Romney get credit for the short form when The President didn't?


And lets not forget Romney's family was all from Mexico. Is he an illegal immigrant? Where is the proof?
 
2012-07-19 07:19:29 PM  
Roberts pressed: "Why not show that, then?" and reasoned that people could "move on" if her husband released his returns.

This is an aggravating argument which has turned me away from wanting his returns released to the public. "Nothing to hide" and "could stop this issue" were the same arguments which pervaded questioning the citizenship of President Obama; we know Romney is the stereotypical insulated millionaire, and all this information would do is confirm what we know while furthering this expectation of our right to personal information from a candidate simply because the position is public office. People are acting as though Romney did not file taxes.

Just listen to the man speak twice on any issue; you will find he has no solid position, his positions are simplistic and ineffective, he is unable to convey any worthwhile qualities, and so forth.
 
2012-07-19 07:20:02 PM  

Shaggy_C: one small post for man: Because campaigning for president is exactly the same as applying to work at WalMart

There's no requirement that a candidate be anything other than over the age of 35 and a non-naturalized US citizen. Beyond that it's up to the voters. They don't even have to have to be able to read or any education whatsoever. So, in many ways, the job of president actually has less mandated requirements than the Walmart clerk. So while "the people" can demand whatever they want there's no obligation to do anything. And in this case, it's not "the people", it's partisan hacks and their media enablers trying to invent a scandal in an otherwise boring part of the election year before the conventions.


So then your argument is long as someone does the minimum then everyone should vote for them! You, like always, are making a strawman no one has said he is failing a requirement to be president.

Now are you going to answer me on how we can find out what he paid in taxes or keep dodging like you have been?
 
2012-07-19 07:20:07 PM  
Bwahahahaha

As an added bonus, Robin Roberts is black.
 
2012-07-19 07:20:43 PM  

Shaggy_C: one small post for man: Because campaigning for president is exactly the same as applying to work at WalMart

There's no requirement that a candidate be anything other than over the age of 35 and a non-naturalized US citizen. Beyond that it's up to the voters. They don't even have to have to be able to read or any education whatsoever. So, in many ways, the job of president actually has less mandated requirements than the Walmart clerk. So while "the people" can demand whatever they want there's no obligation to do anything. And in this case, it's not "the people", it's partisan hacks and their media enablers trying to invent a scandal in an otherwise boring part of the election year before the conventions.

Teufelaffe: So, a candidate who's running on his financial experience and acumen refusing to release more than two years of tax returns because he's afraid people might pick on him is just a poor innocent victim of a party loyalist witch hunt?

What does financial experience and acumen have to do with personal finances? You're making the jump from macro to micro in much the same way as the Teabagger who thinks credit card debt is bad so therefore we should vote to default the United States. I know plenty of people whose at-work output shows sheer genius while their personal lives are absolute disasters. It's more common than you think.


You are very skilled at building strawmen and then tearing them down
 
2012-07-19 07:21:49 PM  

Shaggy_C: Aldon: I'm just saying we have had 3 years of conservatives saying the short form wasn't a birth certificate and President Obama needed to release his birth certificate. So the score is birth certificate Obama=1 Romney=0.

Why should Romney get credit for the short form when The President didn't?

And lets not forget Romney's family was all from Mexico. Is he an illegal immigrant? Where is the proof?


If he has nothing to hide, why does he refuse to release his tax returns? He's done nothing wrong, he should be more than willing to show them.
 
2012-07-19 07:22:20 PM  

Vangor: Roberts pressed: "Why not show that, then?" and reasoned that people could "move on" if her husband released his returns.

This is an aggravating argument which has turned me away from wanting his returns released to the public. "Nothing to hide" and "could stop this issue" were the same arguments which pervaded questioning the citizenship of President Obama; we know Romney is the stereotypical insulated millionaire, and all this information would do is confirm what we know while furthering this expectation of our right to personal information from a candidate simply because the position is public office. People are acting as though Romney did not file taxes.

Just listen to the man speak twice on any issue; you will find he has no solid position, his positions are simplistic and ineffective, he is unable to convey any worthwhile qualities, and so forth.


I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

Obama was being asked to release documents that no candidate had been asked for before him.

Romney is being asked to release documents that every candidate for the last 50 years, including his own father had been asked for before him.

The two situations are not the same. Period.
 
2012-07-19 07:24:07 PM  

propasaurus: Just over half of Romney's 2010 giving went to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. The Romneys didn't have much choice there:

wut? they could have decided that it wasn't worth being a member of the Church.
Or they could have negotiated and told the Church you get 5%, take it or leave it.

The rest of the money went to the Tyler Foundation, a 501(c3) nonprofit funded exclusively by the Romneys.

which is an obviously evil Foundation. Giving out money to people named Tyler? Please! Steven Tyler, and Tyler Perry and Harrison Tyler (grandson of President Tyler) have enough money already.

 
2012-07-19 07:24:53 PM  
Or maybe THIS GEM:

Did Mitt Romney Take the 2009 Swiss Bank Account Amnesty

Wealthy U.S. taxpayers, concerned about an Internal Revenue Service crackdown on the use of secret overseas bank accounts as tax havens, are rushing to meet a Thursday deadline to disclose those accounts or face possible criminal prosecution. The concern was triggered this summer when Switzerland's largest bank, caught up in an international tax evasion dispute, said it would disclose the names of more than 4,000 of its U.S. account holders.


He had secret accounts and knew he would be found out so he applied for tax amnesty. He was breaking the law.

This makes so much sense why he won't release earlier forms.
 
2012-07-19 07:25:21 PM  

Shaggy_C: Aldon: I'm just saying we have had 3 years of conservatives saying the short form wasn't a birth certificate and President Obama needed to release his birth certificate. So the score is birth certificate Obama=1 Romney=0.

Why should Romney get credit for the short form when The President didn't?

And lets not forget Romney's family was all from Mexico. Is he an illegal immigrant? Where is the proof?


I'll leave the conspiracy theories to the experts.
 
2012-07-19 07:25:34 PM  
Im sure we could all turn a blind eye to Mittens request for financial anonymity if he were to campaign on his military service.
 
2012-07-19 07:26:15 PM  

Vangor: Just listen to the man speak twice on any issue; you will find he has no solid position, his positions are simplistic and ineffective, he is unable to convey any worthwhile qualities, and so forth.


And his wife comes across as a total shrew. So, vote Republican.
 
2012-07-19 07:26:58 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: propasaurus: Just over half of Romney's 2010 giving went to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. The Romneys didn't have much choice there:

wut? they could have decided that it wasn't worth being a member of the Church.
Or they could have negotiated and told the Church you get 5%, take it or leave it.

The rest of the money went to the Tyler Foundation, a 501(c3) nonprofit funded exclusively by the Romneys.

which is an obviously evil Foundation. Giving out money to people named Tyler? Please! Steven Tyler, and Tyler Perry and Harrison Tyler (grandson of President Tyler) have enough money already.


And the Derp cavalry comes riding in...
 
2012-07-19 07:27:38 PM  

Teufelaffe: Nadie_AZ: Philip J. Fry: And Obama will still only win by less than 1%.

It's absolutely mind blowing to consider this is so true. And I can't argue it won't be.

Through a strange twist of fate, Obama will actually become the first president to receive all 538 electoral votes. However, the Republicans will win every congressional seat at the same time. They will immediately try to vote to impeach Obama for having won the election, but due to some confusion on the floor, they end up voting that John Boehner legally change his name to "Big John Sexypants."


Senator Sexypants reportedly confused and aroused.

/orange
 
2012-07-19 07:28:21 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Shaggy_C: Aldon: I'm just saying we have had 3 years of conservatives saying the short form wasn't a birth certificate and President Obama needed to release his birth certificate. So the score is birth certificate Obama=1 Romney=0.

Why should Romney get credit for the short form when The President didn't?

And lets not forget Romney's family was all from Mexico. Is he an illegal immigrant? Where is the proof?

If he has nothing to hide, why does he refuse to release his tax returns? He's done nothing wrong, he should be more than willing to show them.


Yeah! And if 0bama has nothing to hide, why doesn't he release his transcripts, passport records and financial aide info about college? Oh, and throw in the documents about the Rezco real estate deal.
 
2012-07-19 07:29:43 PM  
What are the odds he announces his VP pick, and then slides his tax returns out shortly thereafter trying to use the hype to obscure them?
 
2012-07-19 07:30:13 PM  
Jesus christ, MittBot and AnnBot need a goddamn update. Seriously. 5.0 actually acknowledges that they are running for President, while 4.7 is still stuck in the Primaries. Of course, 5.0 doesn't run XP anymore, so maybe there's a reason...
 
2012-07-19 07:30:16 PM  
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2012-07-19 07:30:16 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Nadie_AZ: Shaggy_C: Aldon: I'm just saying we have had 3 years of conservatives saying the short form wasn't a birth certificate and President Obama needed to release his birth certificate. So the score is birth certificate Obama=1 Romney=0.

Why should Romney get credit for the short form when The President didn't?

And lets not forget Romney's family was all from Mexico. Is he an illegal immigrant? Where is the proof?

If he has nothing to hide, why does he refuse to release his tax returns? He's done nothing wrong, he should be more than willing to show them.

Yeah! And if 0bama has nothing to hide, why doesn't he release his transcripts, passport records and financial aide info about college? Oh, and throw in the documents about the Rezco real estate deal.


No we are asking for the documents that presidents have been giving for 36 years. The documents Romney's own father said were important. You are asking for information NO president gives. Like we keep explaining to you it's not even close.
 
2012-07-19 07:31:04 PM  

Corvus: Or maybe THIS GEM:

Did Mitt Romney Take the 2009 Swiss Bank Account Amnesty

Wealthy U.S. taxpayers, concerned about an Internal Revenue Service crackdown on the use of secret overseas bank accounts as tax havens, are rushing to meet a Thursday deadline to disclose those accounts or face possible criminal prosecution. The concern was triggered this summer when Switzerland's largest bank, caught up in an international tax evasion dispute, said it would disclose the names of more than 4,000 of its U.S. account holders.

He had secret accounts and knew he would be found out so he applied for tax amnesty. He was breaking the law.

This makes so much sense why he won't release earlier forms.


Very interesting theory. I wonder what the implications would be if that were the case.
 
2012-07-19 07:31:36 PM  

meat0918: What are the odds he announces his VP pick, and then slides his tax returns out shortly thereafter trying to use the hype to obscure them?


Not if he got tax amnesty for having illegal Swiss accounts in 2009. He knows that is political suicide. That's why he is never going to do it.
 
2012-07-19 07:31:41 PM  

SN1987a goes boom: Then, when he was governor of Massachusetts, didn't take a salary in the four years.

You know whenever I hear about someone in high position, such as a CEO or whatever, not taking a salary or else being paid $1 a year or something like that, I realize that's not a good thing. No one can live on zero income. All it means is that they are trying to avoid paying income/payroll taxes.


Well that is the stupidest thing I heard on fark this week.

Option 1:
Income: 0
Taxes due: 0

Option 2:
Income: 100,000
Taxes due: 35,000

Clearly option 1 is better since YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY TAXES!!

So you must think that unemployed people are better off than employed people!!

What a moran.
 
2012-07-19 07:32:20 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Nadie_AZ: Shaggy_C: Aldon: I'm just saying we have had 3 years of conservatives saying the short form wasn't a birth certificate and President Obama needed to release his birth certificate. So the score is birth certificate Obama=1 Romney=0.

Why should Romney get credit for the short form when The President didn't?

And lets not forget Romney's family was all from Mexico. Is he an illegal immigrant? Where is the proof?

If he has nothing to hide, why does he refuse to release his tax returns? He's done nothing wrong, he should be more than willing to show them.

Yeah! And if 0bama has nothing to hide, why doesn't he release his transcripts, passport records and financial aide info about college? Oh, and throw in the documents about the Rezco real estate deal.


Yeah. Apples to apples. Exactly the same.
 
2012-07-19 07:32:51 PM  

one small post for man: tenpoundsofcheese: propasaurus: Just over half of Romney's 2010 giving went to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. The Romneys didn't have much choice there:

wut? they could have decided that it wasn't worth being a member of the Church.
Or they could have negotiated and told the Church you get 5%, take it or leave it.

The rest of the money went to the Tyler Foundation, a 501(c3) nonprofit funded exclusively by the Romneys.

which is an obviously evil Foundation. Giving out money to people named Tyler? Please! Steven Tyler, and Tyler Perry and Harrison Tyler (grandson of President Tyler) have enough money already.

And the Derp cavalry comes riding in...


I thought that was funny. WTF is wrong with people here?
 
2012-07-19 07:33:12 PM  

Corvus: He had secret accounts and knew he would be found out so he applied for tax amnesty. He was breaking the law.

This makes so much sense why he won't release earlier forms.


And tose banks were funding Al Qeada.
 
2012-07-19 07:33:20 PM  

chimp_ninja: "He's a very generous person. We give 10 percent of our income to our church every year."

As far as I can tell, most of that money is used to build Mormon churches and support thousands of people who run around the world trying to annoy other people into becoming Mormons.

That's a funny definition of "charity". LDS is not Bill Gates. They take in $5-7B annually in tithes, and refuse to disclose how it is spent.


More then that admitting you gave 10% of your income to a non-Christian cult does not make you more attractive it makes you less.
 
2012-07-19 07:33:29 PM  

Brontes: Corvus: Or maybe THIS GEM:

Did Mitt Romney Take the 2009 Swiss Bank Account Amnesty

Wealthy U.S. taxpayers, concerned about an Internal Revenue Service crackdown on the use of secret overseas bank accounts as tax havens, are rushing to meet a Thursday deadline to disclose those accounts or face possible criminal prosecution. The concern was triggered this summer when Switzerland's largest bank, caught up in an international tax evasion dispute, said it would disclose the names of more than 4,000 of its U.S. account holders.

He had secret accounts and knew he would be found out so he applied for tax amnesty. He was breaking the law.

This makes so much sense why he won't release earlier forms.

Very interesting theory. I wonder what the implications would be if that were the case.


Well LEGALLY NONE - because he took Amnesty. Politically it would be death because at the time he was breaking the law.

It will be funny when Republicans who were telling us that Illegal aliens should always face for their "crimes" will turn around and say "Romney got amnesty so even though he was breaking the law then he still should be president".
 
2012-07-19 07:33:53 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Rezco real estate deal.


you want to know about the Rezco deals? i'll tell you about the Rezco deals.
 
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2012-07-19 07:34:00 PM  
Tone. Deaf.
 
2012-07-19 07:34:06 PM  

HeartBurnKid: I heard somewhere that McCain's opposition research file on Romney is floating around on teh interwebs. I should go look for it; it'd be rather interesting.


It's been out there for a couple years. It's obviously dated, but frankly not that worthwhile anyway. Not terribly surprising from a campaign that was run like ass and ultimately thought Palin was a winning move.

Now, the Obama Campaign's Romney oppo file? Oh fark yes would I like to read that. That thing has been years in the making since he was always going to be the opponent, and Obama's campaign in general is extremely sharp.
 
2012-07-19 07:34:16 PM  

HeartBurnKid: The two situations are not the same. Period.


Well I did not intend to equate the two situations but the arguments made in the article with those made about the President releasing his birth certificate. This idea of the issue going away as a result of releasing or having things to hide are weak and could be applied to a broad many things we have no right to see, including those tax returns; the fact presidents have sets a great precedent to pressure Romney, but this does not justify the hounding.
 
2012-07-19 07:34:24 PM  

HeartBurnKid:
I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

Obama was being asked to release documents that no candidate had been asked for before him.

Romney is being asked to release documents that every candidate for the last 50 years, including his own father had been asked for before him.

The two situations are not the same. Period.

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2012-07-19 07:34:25 PM  

Cletus C.: one small post for man: tenpoundsofcheese: propasaurus: Just over half of Romney's 2010 giving went to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. The Romneys didn't have much choice there:

wut? they could have decided that it wasn't worth being a member of the Church.
Or they could have negotiated and told the Church you get 5%, take it or leave it.

The rest of the money went to the Tyler Foundation, a 501(c3) nonprofit funded exclusively by the Romneys.

which is an obviously evil Foundation. Giving out money to people named Tyler? Please! Steven Tyler, and Tyler Perry and Harrison Tyler (grandson of President Tyler) have enough money already.

And the Derp cavalry comes riding in...

I thought that was funny. WTF is wrong with people here?


You're not allowed to laugh at the jokes of people who you disagree with politically. It's in the FArQ man, get with it.
 
2012-07-19 07:36:01 PM  

MorrisBird: SN1987a goes boom: Then, when he was governor of Massachusetts, didn't take a salary in the four years.

You know whenever I hear about someone in high position, such as a CEO or whatever, not taking a salary or else being paid $1 a year or something like that, I realize that's not a good thing. No one can live on zero income. All it means is that they are trying to avoid paying income/payroll taxes.

Cut him some slack, the poor man went without a salary for four years and then was unemployed for six more. Poor Mittens can't find a job with a resume like that. Certainly not in today's economy.


Hell, he even said he knows what it's like to be unemployed these days. He really relates to us poors.
 
2012-07-19 07:37:39 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Personally, I wonder if his unreleased returns will show that he personally funded the massacre in Rwanda.

What? I'm just asking questions.


Probably.
 
2012-07-19 07:37:39 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Romney is being asked to release documents that every candidate for the last 50 years, including his own father had been asked for before him.


Being asked != a requirement.

Next, strawman.

(this one was easy).

Kerry released his tax returns, but filed separately from his wife, so the true extent of his investments and taxes were hidden

(yes, I know it is his wife, but the same people who argued that Thomas should recuse himself because his wife made money in healthcare, can't say that Kerry had no influence on his wife's investments)
 
2012-07-19 07:38:10 PM  
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2012-07-19 07:38:49 PM  
To have my job I had to give the government 8 YEARS of returns and all my account information for review for a license... My decent, yet petty in the grand scheme job. You mean to tell me that the president shouldn't be even checked for such petty crap? Of all the people you would think we need to see financials on? I WANT TO KNOW WHO HAS BEEN PAYING YOU OFF! Is this so hard to understand?
 
2012-07-19 07:38:52 PM  

Kibbler: Romney household, 1953. Bedtime.


Oh, well done. Bra-farking-vo, good sir.
 
2012-07-19 07:39:18 PM  

Cletus C.: one small post for man: tenpoundsofcheese: propasaurus: Just over half of Romney's 2010 giving went to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. The Romneys didn't have much choice there:

wut? they could have decided that it wasn't worth being a member of the Church.
Or they could have negotiated and told the Church you get 5%, take it or leave it.

The rest of the money went to the Tyler Foundation, a 501(c3) nonprofit funded exclusively by the Romneys.

which is an obviously evil Foundation. Giving out money to people named Tyler? Please! Steven Tyler, and Tyler Perry and Harrison Tyler (grandson of President Tyler) have enough money already.

And the Derp cavalry comes riding in...

I thought that was funny. WTF is wrong with people here?


IDK. I put some effort to find the Harrison Tyler reference. Oh well.
 
2012-07-19 07:39:35 PM  

Vangor: HeartBurnKid: The two situations are not the same. Period.

Well I did not intend to equate the two situations but the arguments made in the article with those made about the President releasing his birth certificate. This idea of the issue going away as a result of releasing or having things to hide are weak and could be applied to a broad many things we have no right to see, including those tax returns; the fact presidents have sets a great precedent to pressure Romney, but this does not justify the hounding.


So you admit there is a precedent of past candidates releasing their returns, but think it is unreasonable for people to ask a man running for president to meet that precedent?
 
2012-07-19 07:40:31 PM  

Vangor: Roberts pressed: "Why not show that, then?" and reasoned that people could "move on" if her husband released his returns.

This is an aggravating argument which has turned me away from wanting his returns released to the public. "Nothing to hide" and "could stop this issue" were the same arguments which pervaded questioning the citizenship of President Obama; we know Romney is the stereotypical insulated millionaire, and all this information would do is confirm what we know while furthering this expectation of our right to personal information from a candidate simply because the position is public office. People are acting as though Romney did not file taxes.

Just listen to the man speak twice on any issue; you will find he has no solid position, his positions are simplistic and ineffective, he is unable to convey any worthwhile qualities, and so forth.


I have to submit to a background check and a drug screen for a crappy 6 month Temp Job at an Insurance Company. Part of the background check was a financial disclosure. This guy expects to be the Leader of the Free World.

He has been called out. He needs to show his hand.

/ also would love to see the look on his face if someone asked him to pee in a cup!
 
2012-07-19 07:40:43 PM  

coco ebert: Also, I'm so f*cking sick of the argument in America that giving to charity


Stop right there.

Mittens did not give to a charity. He gave to the mormon church. The Mormon church spends about 70% of its 'donation' money on itself. Comparitively, the Red Cross spend about 7% of its donation money on itself. If Mitt gave 10% of his income to his church, that means he actually gave 3% of his income to actual charity, and 7% to a very ornate tax-exempt country club that used that money to reseed its green and double down on making sure homosexual teens feel like second-class citizens whose only recourse is suicide.
 
2012-07-19 07:41:21 PM  

Shaggy_C: one small post for man: Because campaigning for president is exactly the same as applying to work at WalMart

There's no requirement that a candidate be anything other than over the age of 35 and a non-naturalized US citizen. Beyond that it's up to the voters. They don't even have to have to be able to read or any education whatsoever. So, in many ways, the job of president actually has less mandated requirements than the Walmart clerk. So while "the people" can demand whatever they want there's no obligation to do anything. And in this case, it's not "the people", it's partisan hacks and their media enablers trying to invent a scandal in an otherwise boring part of the election year before the conventions.

Teufelaffe: So, a candidate who's running on his financial experience and acumen refusing to release more than two years of tax returns because he's afraid people might pick on him is just a poor innocent victim of a party loyalist witch hunt?

What does financial experience and acumen have to do with personal finances? You're making the jump from macro to micro in much the same way as the Teabagger who thinks credit card debt is bad so therefore we should vote to default the United States. I know plenty of people whose at-work output shows sheer genius while their personal lives are absolute disasters. It's more common than you think.


OK, smart guy: Would you hire someone who claimed 20 years of accounting experience for a financial job if they had filed two back-to-back bankruptcies? Most companies won't. Would you want a guy handling your stock portfolio if he'd been audited four times by the IRS and investigated by the SEC? Most people wouldn't. Do you want a bank teller who can't balance her own checkbook? I DON'T.

Someone's personal life may be a disaster, as you put it, and they may be able to cope at work; but this douchebag is running for PRESIDENT, based on his alleged brilliance at money management. So I want to be able to verify he is in fact a brilliant money manager before I give him the keys to MY taxes, thanks very much.
 
2012-07-19 07:41:39 PM  

bonefish: To have my job I had to give the government 8 YEARS of returns and all my account information for review for a license... My decent, yet petty in the grand scheme job. You mean to tell me that the president shouldn't be even checked for such petty crap? Of all the people you would think we need to see financials on? I WANT TO KNOW WHO HAS BEEN PAYING YOU OFF! Is this so hard to understand?


Background checks are for us little people. Willard is above all that.
 
2012-07-19 07:42:18 PM  

TalenLee: coco ebert: Also, I'm so f*cking sick of the argument in America that giving to charity

Stop right there.

Mittens did not give to a charity. He gave to the mormon church. The Mormon church spends about 70% of its 'donation' money on itself. Comparitively, the Red Cross spend about 7% of its donation money on itself. If Mitt gave 10% of his income to his church, that means he actually gave 3% of his income to actual charity, and 7% to a very ornate tax-exempt country club that used that money to reseed its green and double down on making sure homosexual teens feel like second-class citizens whose only recourse is suicide.


Or as tenpoundsoffeces calls it, patriotism.
 
2012-07-19 07:42:37 PM  

coco ebert: *watches actual clip*

Wait, she not only said that, but said it to Robin Roberts, an African-American lady. FFFFUUUUUU!

Also, I'm so f*cking sick of the argument in America that giving to charity absolves people of having to abide by a more moral social contract or you know, just pay their fair share of taxes. I've never heard this justification given anywhere else. First of all, charity should refer to helping the poor or the needy, not adding another billion to a university endowment or arts council (though I think those institutions are important as well). Second, we don't all get to choose where our tax dollars go. I certainly don't want to fund our military industrial complex, but do you see me complaining about taxes? No, because I abide by the general social contract that tax revenue is needed to fund things we need, like infrastructure, public safety, and education. Stop diverting your money to pet projects (that are TAX deductible by the way), and implement a fairer tax code instead so we don't need charity in the first place!


This.
 
2012-07-19 07:43:22 PM  

meat0918: What are the odds he announces his VP pick, and then slides his tax returns out shortly thereafter trying to use the hype to obscure them?


I'd say zero, because all he'd be doing is stepping on his own dick. If there's bad shiat in them, it nukes the "VP Bump" and nothing is going to obscure something really negative in them, particuarly at this point. Even if there's nothing of note in them it still basically does that by shifting the discussion immediately from the VP to the tax returns. As a rule you never want to do anything to steal the thunder away from the VP pick. It's free, typically positive press and attention for days on end.

But then again, this is one of the most poorly run campaigns by any nominee for President I've ever followed, so there's that.
 
2012-07-19 07:43:23 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: HeartBurnKid: Romney is being asked to release documents that every candidate for the last 50 years, including his own father had been asked for before him.

Being asked != a requirement.

Next, strawman.

(this one was easy).

Kerry released his tax returns, but filed separately from his wife, so the true extent of his investments and taxes were hidden

(yes, I know it is his wife, but the same people who argued that Thomas should recuse himself because his wife made money in healthcare, can't say that Kerry had no influence on his wife's investments)


No one is saying it is a requirement. You are the one building strawmen
 
2012-07-19 07:43:32 PM  

Vangor: HeartBurnKid: The two situations are not the same. Period.

Well I did not intend to equate the two situations but the arguments made in the article with those made about the President releasing his birth certificate. This idea of the issue going away as a result of releasing or having things to hide are weak and could be applied to a broad many things we have no right to see, including those tax returns; the fact presidents have sets a great precedent to pressure Romney, but this does not justify the hounding.


And there I disagree.

One, I think we do have a right to see those tax returns. The man is running on his financial experience; let's take a look at his finances. And the fact that pretty much every candidate in recent history (not just presidents, but candidates in general) have released those returns, no questions asked, makes Romney look even worse for not releasing them.

Two, what are you expecting to happen, exactly? Do you think that once he releases them, a bunch of idiots are going to say "Those aren't the real returns!" and keep hounding him for another 4 years? Because that's the only way any of this would have any relevant relationship to the birther shiat.
 
2012-07-19 07:44:32 PM  
Kibbler, you magnificent bastard, +1
 
2012-07-19 07:45:13 PM  

bonefish: I WANT TO KNOW WHO HAS BEEN PAYING YOU OFF! Is this so hard to understand?


How would you know that from a tax return?

Did you care about the Rezco payoff to 0bama?
 
2012-07-19 07:46:08 PM  

one small post for man: tenpoundsofcheese: HeartBurnKid: Romney is being asked to release documents that every candidate for the last 50 years, including his own father had been asked for before him.

Being asked != a requirement.

Next, strawman.

(this one was easy).

Kerry released his tax returns, but filed separately from his wife, so the true extent of his investments and taxes were hidden

(yes, I know it is his wife, but the same people who argued that Thomas should recuse himself because his wife made money in healthcare, can't say that Kerry had no influence on his wife's investments)

No one is saying it is a requirement. You are the one building strawmen


so then why is this a big deal?
people ask candidates all sorts of stuff that they don't do.
 
2012-07-19 07:46:24 PM  

Corvus: Or maybe THIS GEM:

Did Mitt Romney Take the 2009 Swiss Bank Account Amnesty

Wealthy U.S. taxpayers, concerned about an Internal Revenue Service crackdown on the use of secret overseas bank accounts as tax havens, are rushing to meet a Thursday deadline to disclose those accounts or face possible criminal prosecution. The concern was triggered this summer when Switzerland's largest bank, caught up in an international tax evasion dispute, said it would disclose the names of more than 4,000 of its U.S. account holders.

He had secret accounts and knew he would be found out so he applied for tax amnesty. He was breaking the law.

This makes so much sense why he won't release earlier forms.


While I'd love it to be something like that, I just can't imagine he'd be stupid enough to run for President and think this wouldn't be revealed. If it IS it he obviously knows it's a killer since he's refusing to release the returns...but how in the name of fark could he have concluded he'd get away with releasing one year? You'd have to be the most self-absorbed, entitled, holier-than-thou....wait, nevermind.
 
2012-07-19 07:46:58 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: HeartBurnKid: Romney is being asked to release documents that every candidate for the last 50 years, including his own father had been asked for before him.

Being asked != a requirement.

Next, strawman.

(this one was easy).

Kerry released his tax returns, but filed separately from his wife, so the true extent of his investments and taxes were hidden

(yes, I know it is his wife, but the same people who argued that Thomas should recuse himself because his wife made money in healthcare, can't say that Kerry had no influence on his wife's investments)


..and since we know you were totally OK with not seeing a candidate's wife's returns you are totally not a hypocrite.
 
2012-07-19 07:47:29 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: one small post for man: tenpoundsofcheese: HeartBurnKid: Romney is being asked to release documents that every candidate for the last 50 years, including his own father had been asked for before him.

Being asked != a requirement.

Next, strawman.

(this one was easy).

Kerry released his tax returns, but filed separately from his wife, so the true extent of his investments and taxes were hidden

(yes, I know it is his wife, but the same people who argued that Thomas should recuse himself because his wife made money in healthcare, can't say that Kerry had no influence on his wife's investments)

No one is saying it is a requirement. You are the one building strawmen

so then why is this a big deal?
people ask candidates all sorts of stuff that they don't do.


Oh then you don't care at all then about all the things you have been screaming about for Obama to do then?
 
2012-07-19 07:48:23 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: HeartBurnKid: I heard somewhere that McCain's opposition research file on Romney is floating around on teh interwebs. I should go look for it; it'd be rather interesting.

It's been out there for a couple years. It's obviously dated, but frankly not that worthwhile anyway. Not terribly surprising from a campaign that was run like ass and ultimately thought Palin was a winning move.

Now, the Obama Campaign's Romney oppo file? Oh fark yes would I like to read that. That thing has been years in the making since he was always going to be the opponent, and Obama's campaign in general is extremely sharp.


I would be surprised if the Obama camp doesn't know what's in the tax returns.
 
2012-07-19 07:49:07 PM  

Corvus: Or maybe THIS GEM:

Did Mitt Romney Take the 2009 Swiss Bank Account Amnesty

Wealthy U.S. taxpayers, concerned about an Internal Revenue Service crackdown on the use of secret overseas bank accounts as tax havens, are rushing to meet a Thursday deadline to disclose those accounts or face possible criminal prosecution. The concern was triggered this summer when Switzerland's largest bank, caught up in an international tax evasion dispute, said it would disclose the names of more than 4,000 of its U.S. account holders.

He had secret accounts and knew he would be found out so he applied for tax amnesty. He was breaking the law.

you are such a farking liar, it is incredible. The article is nothing but speculation and you pass is off as fact.

 
2012-07-19 07:49:14 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: one small post for man: tenpoundsofcheese: HeartBurnKid: Romney is being asked to release documents that every candidate for the last 50 years, including his own father had been asked for before him.

Being asked != a requirement.

Next, strawman.

(this one was easy).

Kerry released his tax returns, but filed separately from his wife, so the true extent of his investments and taxes were hidden

(yes, I know it is his wife, but the same people who argued that Thomas should recuse himself because his wife made money in healthcare, can't say that Kerry had no influence on his wife's investments)

No one is saying it is a requirement. You are the one building strawmen

so then why is this a big deal?
people ask candidates all sorts of stuff that they don't do.


So voters have no right to want to know anything about a candidate that they aren't legally required to disclose?
 
2012-07-19 07:49:33 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Corvus: Or maybe THIS GEM:

Did Mitt Romney Take the 2009 Swiss Bank Account Amnesty

Wealthy U.S. taxpayers, concerned about an Internal Revenue Service crackdown on the use of secret overseas bank accounts as tax havens, are rushing to meet a Thursday deadline to disclose those accounts or face possible criminal prosecution. The concern was triggered this summer when Switzerland's largest bank, caught up in an international tax evasion dispute, said it would disclose the names of more than 4,000 of its U.S. account holders.

He had secret accounts and knew he would be found out so he applied for tax amnesty. He was breaking the law.

This makes so much sense why he won't release earlier forms.

While I'd love it to be something like that, I just can't imagine he'd be stupid enough to run for President and think this wouldn't be revealed. If it IS it he obviously knows it's a killer since he's refusing to release the returns...but how in the name of fark could he have concluded he'd get away with releasing one year? You'd have to be the most self-absorbed, entitled, holier-than-thou....wait, nevermind.


Why? He figured he wouldn't show his tax returns. That is exactly what he is doing now. You are saying he wouldn't do it because he would have to hide those returns. That is EXACTLY what he is doing.

It totally fits.
 
2012-07-19 07:49:57 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Did you care about the Rezco payoff to 0bama?


I thought it was Obama that paid Rezko for a strip of land adjacent to his property?
can you provide a link or citation so to speak?
 
2012-07-19 07:50:08 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Vangor: HeartBurnKid: The two situations are not the same. Period.

Well I did not intend to equate the two situations but the arguments made in the article with those made about the President releasing his birth certificate. This idea of the issue going away as a result of releasing or having things to hide are weak and could be applied to a broad many things we have no right to see, including those tax returns; the fact presidents have sets a great precedent to pressure Romney, but this does not justify the hounding.

And there I disagree.

One, I think we do have a right to see those tax returns. The man is running on his financial experience; let's take a look at his finances. And the fact that pretty much every candidate in recent history (not just presidents, but candidates in general) have released those returns, no questions asked, makes Romney look even worse for not releasing them.

Two, what are you expecting to happen, exactly? Do you think that once he releases them, a bunch of idiots are going to say "Those aren't the real returns!" and keep hounding him for another 4 years? Because that's the only way any of this would have any relevant relationship to the birther shiat.


If Rmoney is elected President, I will make it my life's goal to insist every personal document he ever laid a finger on be released, and complain every time that they aren't real. I will want to see every school record from the time he started preschool, every tax return his family ever filed, and the pedigrees for his dancing horses back to their domestication in 3500 BC. And every release will be attacked because it's not the original. I promise.
 
2012-07-19 07:50:24 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese:

What a moran.


Says the guy who spends his time isolating himself from any sort of reasonable discussion "for t3h lulz".
 
2012-07-19 07:50:25 PM  

meat0918: What are the odds he announces his VP pick, and then slides his tax returns out shortly thereafter trying to use the hype to obscure them?


Nil. There's no VP pick that could possibly be more interesting than even the story about how there's nothing in the tax returns. Remember that we're talking about a candidate who is worried about being overshadowed on-stage by Tim Pawlenty. Mitt's selection is so thin right now he might be better off running a picture of himself as his own VP candidate, and hoping its ability to avoid gaffes doesn't top his own ontological certainty in voter's minds.
 
2012-07-19 07:51:06 PM  

timujin: "Look, plebes, this is what you get, so suck it up. Why are we having a vote anyway? I mean, my husband is obviously the best person for the job, look at how well he's done in business. Well, I mean, don't look to closely, just glance at him from over there, you'll get the idea. Okay, that's settled then, is my Mittens President yet? Hello?"


I think this is the smartest thing you've ever said. In fact, I'm going to vote smart, you... you've earned it. =D
 
2012-07-19 07:51:06 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Corvus: Or maybe THIS GEM:

Did Mitt Romney Take the 2009 Swiss Bank Account Amnesty

Wealthy U.S. taxpayers, concerned about an Internal Revenue Service crackdown on the use of secret overseas bank accounts as tax havens, are rushing to meet a Thursday deadline to disclose those accounts or face possible criminal prosecution. The concern was triggered this summer when Switzerland's largest bank, caught up in an international tax evasion dispute, said it would disclose the names of more than 4,000 of its U.S. account holders.

He had secret accounts and knew he would be found out so he applied for tax amnesty. He was breaking the law.

you are such a farking liar, it is incredible. The article is nothing but speculation and you pass is off as fact.


Its funny when known partisan shills accuse anyone else of lying.
 
2012-07-19 07:51:47 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Corvus: Or maybe THIS GEM:

Did Mitt Romney Take the 2009 Swiss Bank Account Amnesty

Wealthy U.S. taxpayers, concerned about an Internal Revenue Service crackdown on the use of secret overseas bank accounts as tax havens, are rushing to meet a Thursday deadline to disclose those accounts or face possible criminal prosecution. The concern was triggered this summer when Switzerland's largest bank, caught up in an international tax evasion dispute, said it would disclose the names of more than 4,000 of its U.S. account holders.

He had secret accounts and knew he would be found out so he applied for tax amnesty. He was breaking the law.

you are such a farking liar, it is incredible. The article is nothing but speculation and you pass is off as fact.


Yes it is speculation. Didn't say it wasn't. But it makes a lot of sense. But until Romney releases his tax returns that is all we are left with.

I never passed it off as fact. You once again are lying like normal.

Here let me ask you an honest question:

If it does turn out to be true then will you promise not to vote for Romney and you will be mad at him for doing this?
 
2012-07-19 07:53:36 PM  

Erix: Cletus C.: one small post for man: tenpoundsofcheese: propasaurus: Just over half of Romney's 2010 giving went to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. The Romneys didn't have much choice there:

wut? they could have decided that it wasn't worth being a member of the Church.
Or they could have negotiated and told the Church you get 5%, take it or leave it.

The rest of the money went to the Tyler Foundation, a 501(c3) nonprofit funded exclusively by the Romneys.

which is an obviously evil Foundation. Giving out money to people named Tyler? Please! Steven Tyler, and Tyler Perry and Harrison Tyler (grandson of President Tyler) have enough money already.

And the Derp cavalry comes riding in...

I thought that was funny. WTF is wrong with people here?

You're not allowed to laugh at the jokes of people who you disagree with politically. It's in the FArQ man, get with it.


Some of us find blatant ignorance less than amusing. If I thought for one millisecond Tenpoundsofderp was TRYING to be funny, that would be one thing.

But he wasn't and you know it.
 
2012-07-19 07:53:44 PM