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(WorldNetDaily)   Obama's real father is Soviet agent Frank Marshall Davis. The photo on Barack Obama's Facebook page proves this because his mother's hand is black   (wnd.com) divider line 209
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2012-07-19 05:00:21 PM

Mikey1969: WHO
........FARKING
.......................CARES?


Well... as I said in the post you just quoted... I do.

I find it interesting to understand how someone like the President of the United States came to be the man he is today. I don't think it's that unusual an interest considering the number of biographies of Presidents that have been published, but I guess it's not something that appeals to everyone. A few Farkers here seem very animated about someone pointing out things that even Obama doesn't dispute, and there is clearly plenty of room to debate interpretations of what influences and to what extent Obama had.

But hey, if it's not interesting to you, no one is forcing you to participate.

You can have a discussion about how stupid WND is if you find that more interesting, but I find it incredibley boring.
 
2012-07-19 05:03:31 PM

BojanglesPaladin: BSABSVR: I know. You're just sayin....

No. NO I was NOT saying a single damn thing about his middle name. Because that shiat is stupid.

THAT. IS. ALL. YOU.

Go insert your pablum somewhere else. Preferably with some Teabagger WND moron. Leave me out of it.


Just out of curiosity, would that be more or less stupid than someone who doesn't get analogies and then gets all shouty?
 
2012-07-19 05:07:37 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: So why would anyone acknowledge as fact something that you admit is in dispute?


It's a nuance, but I'm sure you can understand it. For anyone else, I will state it plainly.

There is no dispute that Frank was an influence in young Obama's life, and little reasonable dispute that Frank can be considered a 'leftist' based on his participation and stated ideology for which there is ample documentation.

The *IS* legitimate dispute about the exact extent of that influence. In my opinion, that is largely unknowable in any quantitative sense, as all influences are highly subjective. However, since Obama is NOT a radical leftist, we can at least conclude that Obama is not exactly a disciple. Further, Obama had a number of influential figures in his life - it was kinda a theme of his book.
 
2012-07-19 05:07:43 PM
Gilbert says the black male hand under Obama's armpit is strikingly similar to the right hand of Davis.

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2012-07-19 05:09:10 PM

BojanglesPaladin: I acknowledge and accept and have stated numerous times that there is some dispute about the nature and extent of Frank's influence. But Obama readily acknowledges that he was an influence and that he regarded him highly. (Highly enough to remember him years later and go on a tour of Chicago visiting places Frank had been.)


Okay, one last farking time:

You told us that Obama himself makes it clear that his worldview was shaped by a known leftist communist.

Now you say that there's "some dispute about the nature and extent of Frank's influence," and that "Obama readily acknowledges that he was an influence and regarded him highly."

"An influence" and "highly regarded" are a farking lot different than someone shaping someone's worldview.

You knew goddamn good and well that you were trying to say Obama's view of the world was shaped by someone who was a "leftist communist," but you now want to say "there's some dispute."

If there's "some dispute," how about not farking stating it as a goddamn fact?

What is so terribly wrong about growing up around someone with a strong political viewpoint? My uncle and Godfather is a certified 100% leftist pinko commie educated at Berkley in the 60s. I'm quite fond of the guy. He's incrediublky intelligent and informed, and I value the political perspective he has shared over the years. A perspective which I firmly believe has had an influence on my own worldview.

"Influence" and "shaping" are not synonyms. If I said that your uncle shaped your worldview, I would be entirely misrepresenting your words. And you would be correct in challenging my statement.

Influence (v) To affect the nature, development, or condition of; modify.

Shape (v) To give a particular form to; create


Your uncle didn't create your worldview - he affected it. Just like Davis affected Obama's. You, however, claimed that he gave form to Obama's worldview AND claimed that Obama substantiated that with his own words. Oh, but NOW there's "some dispute" (dispute that you somehow didn't think so important at the beginning), so you can weasel your way out.
 
2012-07-19 05:10:16 PM
Sorry guys, that's it for me for now.

I think I've talked it as much as it can be anyway.

Thanks for a mostly civil and intelligent discussion. As time allows I may pop in later.
 
2012-07-19 05:11:35 PM

BojanglesPaladin: You can have a discussion about how stupid WND is if you find that more interesting, but I find it incredibley boring.


Yeah - why stay on topic when you can threadjack the shiat out of it? All you have to do is misrepresent someone's prior statements, and we're off!
 
2012-07-19 05:12:52 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Mikey1969: WHO
........FARKING
.......................CARES?

Well... as I said in the post you just quoted... I do.

I find it interesting to understand how someone like the President of the United States came to be the man he is today. I don't think it's that unusual an interest considering the number of biographies of Presidents that have been published, but I guess it's not something that appeals to everyone. A few Farkers here seem very animated about someone pointing out things that even Obama doesn't dispute, and there is clearly plenty of room to debate interpretations of what influences and to what extent Obama had.

But hey, if it's not interesting to you, no one is forcing you to participate.

You can have a discussion about how stupid WND is if you find that more interesting, but I find it incredibley boring.


The point is that people go on and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on about this Leftist/Communist Boogeyman bullshiat and it gets old. You may truly care about what created his character, but most of these people can't get over the "Left" part, although I can guarantee you that not a single person on this planet hasn't come under the influence of BOTH world views. I'm just getting tired of the same old bullshiat, if you are genuinely interested, that's cool and all, but by 'Who Cares?', I am stating that looking at just a part of the picture isn't looking AT the picture. It's like looking at a painting of a landscape and saying 'Wow, that's a nice branch on that there tree.'.

And THAT is the source of my frustration.
 
2012-07-19 05:15:52 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Sorry guys, that's it for me for now.

I think I've talked it as much as it can be anyway.

Thanks for a mostly civil and intelligent discussion. As time allows I may pop in later.


And he bails out.

I'm shocked.

I'm looking forward to telling people in future threads that his view of the world was shaped by his extreme left-wing uncle.
 
2012-07-19 05:16:38 PM

rufus-t-firefly: "Influence" and "shaping" are not synonyms. If I said that your uncle shaped your worldview, I would be entirely misrepresenting your words. And you would be correct in challenging my statement.


And "shaping' and "forming" aren't either. At no point have I stated that Obama's worldview was directed or wholy or even primarily provided by Frank. I have repeatedly stated the exact opposite, and have even been clear that the majority of Obama's influences were NOT leftist (frank or otherwise). You know this.

If you want to get hung up on a semantics argument over word choice in one of soo many statements I have made clearly articulating this, then I will simply conclude that we are substanatively in agreement and encourage you to do the same.

I do not think we are actually disagreeing on anything here. You seem to want to shadowbox a perspective you assume WND teabagger types might have. And while that is fine, I'm not the guy.

Have a good evening.
 
2012-07-19 05:16:39 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Philip Francis Queeg: So why would anyone acknowledge as fact something that you admit is in dispute?

It's a nuance, but I'm sure you can understand it. For anyone else, I will state it plainly.

There is no dispute that Frank was an influence in young Obama's life, and little reasonable dispute that Frank can be considered a 'leftist' based on his participation and stated ideology for which there is ample documentation.

The *IS* legitimate dispute about the exact extent of that influence. In my opinion, that is largely unknowable in any quantitative sense, as all influences are highly subjective. However, since Obama is NOT a radical leftist, we can at least conclude that Obama is not exactly a disciple. Further, Obama had a number of influential figures in his life - it was kinda a theme of his book.


Just like it's not in dispute that Mein Kampf was an influence in Romney's life, the only dispute is the extent, right?
 
2012-07-19 05:19:25 PM

Mikey1969: The point is that people go on and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on about this Leftist/Communist Boogeyman bullshiat and it gets old....but by 'Who Cares?', I am stating that looking at just a part of the picture isn't looking AT the picture.


Then you should save you energy to fight vailantly against them and learn to distinguish this from that before launching into a reflexive patisan-based attack.

Just a suggestion.

Especially because I think WND is retarded, and the whole picture thing is below contempt. It's not even worth the effort to point out how worthless it is.
 
2012-07-19 05:22:28 PM

rufus-t-firefly: I'm looking forward to telling people in future threads that his view of the world was shaped by his extreme left-wing uncle.


Feel free. He's an awesome dude. A bit of a flake, but what aging Berkley hippy isn't? He is also a strong influence in my taste in poetry and music as well.

Philip Francis Queeg: Just like it's not in dispute that Mein Kampf was an influence in Romney's life, the only dispute is the extent, right?


I am not aware of Romney ever stating that he has even read, much less admired the book. That WOULD be very interesting. Can you point me to more information on that? I'll check back later.

Seriously. Gotta go. Thanks all.
 
2012-07-19 05:26:07 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Just like it's not in dispute that Mein Kampf was an influence in Romney's life, the only dispute is the extent, right?


Waittaminute!

Did you mean to suggest that leftists ,like Frank Marshall are the moral equivelant of Nazis? I would strongly disagree with that. The man was a civil rights activist after all.

I'm not sure you just made the point I think you meant to make. Obama's a good guy. Do you think he got that way by having role models where are the moral equivelant of Nazis? Or do you think Obama's worldview has been shaped/formed/influenced by the equivelant of Nazis?

You might want to re-think your equivelancies there.
 
2012-07-19 05:26:37 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Philip Francis Queeg: Just like it's not in dispute that Mein Kampf was an influence in Romney's life, the only dispute is the extent, right?

I am not aware of Romney ever stating that he has even read, much less admired the book. That WOULD be very interesting. Can you point me to more information on that? I'll check back later.

Seriously. Gotta go. Thanks all.


Are you saying that you believe Romney is so ill educated that he has never encountered Mein Kampf?
 
2012-07-19 05:28:54 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Philip Francis Queeg: Just like it's not in dispute that Mein Kampf was an influence in Romney's life, the only dispute is the extent, right?

Waittaminute!

Did you mean to suggest that leftists ,like Frank Marshall are the moral equivelant of Nazis? I would strongly disagree with that. The man was a civil rights activist after all.

I'm not sure you just made the point I think you meant to make. Obama's a good guy. Do you think he got that way by having role models where are the moral equivelant of Nazis? Or do you think Obama's worldview has been shaped/formed/influenced by the equivelant of Nazis?

You might want to re-think your equivelancies there.


I'm not making any moral judgements about the conservative rightest influences on Romney. I think we should be able to have a full and frank discussion on what has shaped his world view, including any influence Mein Kampf may have had.
 
2012-07-19 05:30:48 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Are you saying that you believe Romney is so ill educated that he has never encountered Mein Kampf?


Good point. To what extent do you think Obama has been influenced by Mein Kampf?

Not to be rude but your point is stupid in a lot of ways. Better all around if you drop it and try a better example?
 
2012-07-19 05:34:31 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Philip Francis Queeg: Are you saying that you believe Romney is so ill educated that he has never encountered Mein Kampf?

Good point. To what extent do you think Obama has been influenced by Mein Kampf?

Not to be rude but your point is stupid in a lot of ways. Better all around if you drop it and try a better example?


The point is that every person has had literally thousands of influences on their life of all kinds. Singling out one book or one person can be made to sound sinister, but is ultimately a fruitless and empty exercise whether that one source is Mein Kamp or Frank Marshall Davis.
 
2012-07-19 05:35:35 PM

coeyagi: utsagrad123: Hey you liberals have you own political film based on lies, The Dark Knight. Conservatives want one too.

From his profile:

Sorry, I didn't mean to troll you... Okay, so I did.
I can sometimes become a bit of a troll. On occasion, I submit ridiculous headlines to TFD just to see people's reactions. But I'm an equal opportunity troll. When it comes to politics, I troll both sides. I am comfortable making fun of the politicians, commentators, etc... that I support or disagree with.

MOVE RIGHT ALONG, NO BITES PLEASE.


We had that lame argument about "Dark Knight" being a "political" film yesterday. I don't nibble at trolls who can't even keep current with the discussion.
 
2012-07-19 05:37:06 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Singling out one book or one person can be made to sound sinister, but is ultimately a fruitless and empty exercise whether that one source is Mein Kamp or Frank Marshall Davis.


Obama singled him out as a notable influence in his childhood, though did not explicitely define the degree. And you seem to want to insinuate that Frank's influence is considered somehow undesirable. Why is that?
 
2012-07-19 05:41:26 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Mikey1969: The point is that people go on and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on about this Leftist/Communist Boogeyman bullshiat and it gets old....but by 'Who Cares?', I am stating that looking at just a part of the picture isn't looking AT the picture.

Then you should save you energy to fight vailantly against them and learn to distinguish this from that before launching into a reflexive patisan-based attack.

Just a suggestion.

Especially because I think WND is retarded, and the whole picture thing is below contempt. It's not even worth the effort to point out how worthless it is.


Sorry, it's the opposite of "partisan". It could just as easily be a Right Wing thing as well, it's the point that people keep beating the same stupid drum, and it gets monotonous.
 
2012-07-19 05:43:42 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Philip Francis Queeg: Singling out one book or one person can be made to sound sinister, but is ultimately a fruitless and empty exercise whether that one source is Mein Kamp or Frank Marshall Davis.

Obama singled him out as a notable influence in his childhood, though did not explicitely define the degree. And you seem to want to insinuate that Frank's influence is considered somehow undesirable. Why is that?


How did Obama "single him out" as an influence? In what way did he state that his influence was unique or in any way different?

Are you unaware that TFA is entirely about insinuating that Davis's influence is undesirable?
 
2012-07-19 05:53:24 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: BojanglesPaladin: Philip Francis Queeg: Are you saying that you believe Romney is so ill educated that he has never encountered Mein Kampf?

Good point. To what extent do you think Obama has been influenced by Mein Kampf?

Not to be rude but your point is stupid in a lot of ways. Better all around if you drop it and try a better example?

The point is that every person has had literally thousands of influences on their life of all kinds. Singling out one book or one person can be made to sound sinister, but is ultimately a fruitless and empty exercise whether that one source is Mein Kamp or Frank Marshall Davis.


But what if it was the Necronomicon?
 
2012-07-19 06:01:31 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Philip Francis Queeg: Are you saying that you believe Romney is so ill educated that he has never encountered Mein Kampf?

Good point. To what extent do you think Obama has been influenced by Mein Kampf?

Not to be rude but your point is stupid in a lot of ways. Better all around if you drop it and try a better example?


Sorry, but everyone should read and be influenced by Mein Kampf so as to understand the mindset of someone who is pathologically bent on power and is willing to do anything...anything to get it.
 
2012-07-19 06:01:46 PM

Well, I must say, this is the first time I've realised Obama's mother was hot, in a flower-child-mom sort of way. Never seen that photo. Thanks WND.


sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2012-07-19 06:26:08 PM
total fake. easy to tell too. just have to know how/where to look
 
2012-07-19 06:31:54 PM

Bungles: Well, I must say, this is the first time I've realised Obama's mother was hot, in a flower-child-mom sort of way. Never seen that photo. Thanks WND.

[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 487x720]


Agreed. She's kind of a free spirit, so you know that she is friendly where it counts. She had a graduate degree, right? So she was pretty smart and likely loved books and the arts.

RRrrrrawr.
 
2012-07-19 07:03:35 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-19 07:45:20 PM

Bungles: Well, I must say, this is the first time I've realised Obama's mother was hot, in a flower-child-mom sort of way. Never seen that photo. Thanks WND.

[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 487x720]


They look just like my family about that time, except we were not black.

That is FRIGHTENING, how 70's that looks.
 
2012-07-19 08:42:48 PM

Ned Stark: Like from eating unrefrigerated honey or sitting on a public toilet seat.


People refrigerate honey? There really are people out there who are the product of sibling parents.

/NEVER refrigerate honey. Honey does not go bad. Refrigerating it crystallizes it.
 
2012-07-19 09:36:01 PM
So Obama is an unamerican illegal alien socialist communist muslim terrorist bastard.....Your point is what exactly wnd?
 
2012-07-19 09:39:08 PM
Bloody William

How deficient do you have to be that you see that picture and not think "Her hand is dark because of the lighting and her being right behind her son," but "That's clearly an edited photo to hide his black mother and communist father!"?

Her hand wouldn't be that dark even in shadow. That picture has been altered for whatever reason.
 
2012-07-19 09:44:00 PM

DeaH: Ned Stark: Like from eating unrefrigerated honey or sitting on a public toilet seat.

People refrigerate honey? There really are people out there who are the product of sibling parents.

/NEVER refrigerate honey. Honey does not go bad. Refrigerating it crystallizes it.



Not as bad as people who put their bread in the fridge.
 
2012-07-19 09:48:43 PM

tony41454: Bloody William

How deficient do you have to be that you see that picture and not think "Her hand is dark because of the lighting and her being right behind her son," but "That's clearly an edited photo to hide his black mother and communist father!"?

Her hand wouldn't be that dark even in shadow. That picture has been altered for whatever reason.



Everyone standing behing him in the semi-shadow has the exact same shade of hands.

Are you suggesting all 6 hands have been altered? Perhaps they all only have 4 fingers per hand? Is that going to be The Big Secret of Obama's youth?
 
2012-07-19 09:51:03 PM

Bungles: DeaH: Ned Stark: Like from eating unrefrigerated honey or sitting on a public toilet seat.

People refrigerate honey? There really are people out there who are the product of sibling parents.

/NEVER refrigerate honey. Honey does not go bad. Refrigerating it crystallizes it.


Not as bad as people who put their bread in the fridge.


I resemble that remark.

/it lasts longer out here, in the fridge
 
2012-07-19 09:56:06 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Bungles: DeaH: Ned Stark: Like from eating unrefrigerated honey or sitting on a public toilet seat.

People refrigerate honey? There really are people out there who are the product of sibling parents.

/NEVER refrigerate honey. Honey does not go bad. Refrigerating it crystallizes it.


Not as bad as people who put their bread in the fridge.

I resemble that remark.

/it lasts longer out here, in the fridge


You do indeed resemble bread.

Bread goes stale 3 times faster in the fridge. It's why bread bins exist. How some people haven't noticed this baffles me. It isn't a subtle difference. It's major. It's all to do with starch molecules contracting or some hoity-toity science malarky.

Either you go through a loaf very slowly, and keep it in the freezer (just for toasting), or you go through it in 3 or 4 days and keep it at room temperature (and use it for everything).
 
2012-07-19 10:22:51 PM
ENHANCE!!!
 
2012-07-19 10:37:56 PM

Bungles: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Bungles: DeaH: Ned Stark: Like from eating unrefrigerated honey or sitting on a public toilet seat.

People refrigerate honey? There really are people out there who are the product of sibling parents.

/NEVER refrigerate honey. Honey does not go bad. Refrigerating it crystallizes it.


Not as bad as people who put their bread in the fridge.

I resemble that remark.

/it lasts longer out here, in the fridge

You do indeed resemble bread.

Bread goes stale 3 times faster in the fridge. It's why bread bins exist. How some people haven't noticed this baffles me. It isn't a subtle difference. It's major. It's all to do with starch molecules contracting or some hoity-toity science malarky.

Either you go through a loaf very slowly, and keep it in the freezer (just for toasting), or you go through it in 3 or 4 days and keep it at room temperature (and use it for everything).


Bread goes stale faster in the fridge, but it gets moldy faster in a bin. Your mileage may be different, but I can't eat a whole loaf of bread before it gets all furry, and I dislike having toasted sandwiches all the time.
 
2012-07-20 01:03:59 AM
So WND is trying to tell me that the same people who pulled off a 50+-year conspiracy to get a black man named 'Barack Hussein Obama' elected President with a fake birth certificate...couldn't airbrush a photo properly?

What the fark kind of drugs are these dipshiats on?
 
2012-07-20 01:40:52 AM
I accidentally clicked on TFA when I meant to click on the thread. Even thopugh I closed the tab IMMEDIATELY, I still feel so dirty.

hold me...
 
2012-07-20 01:53:41 AM
I wonder if I take her hand, and I move it over by his arm that is in the shawdows too, if they are the same shade, Brb.
 
2012-07-20 01:59:54 AM
Well I'll be damned (not really)
Her hand is the same color as the white guys arm (in the shadow)
I cut and pasted her hand near his arm and made a little red triangle (2 sides of it) around both.
These guys are idiots.

i451.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-20 02:05:17 AM

tony41454: Bloody William

How deficient do you have to be that you see that picture and not think "Her hand is dark because of the lighting and her being right behind her son," but "That's clearly an edited photo to hide his black mother and communist father!"?

Her hand wouldn't be that dark even in shadow. That picture has been altered for whatever reason.


why don' you try what I did? His arm is in shadows too.
Cut and paste her hand near his arm and why don't you see if they are the same color? eh?
 
2012-07-20 02:12:40 AM
It would be cowardly of you to make claims and not be willing to check on them for yourself.
 
2012-07-20 02:43:59 AM
Ok, which of you beautiful motherfarkers posted this in the comments?

That boy does NOT look anything like Obama ! NO one can convince me that is him in the pictures when he was young. No one changes everything about himself by just growing up a few years. AT 17-18 he looked like himself. ALL the young boy pics are of a real Negro boy with very dark skin and round bone structure - not at all like Obama. Certain things never change and color is one of them. The bone structure of the head and eye setting is another ! I have never seen a young picture of him as a boy yet where it is really him. It's always been a 'stand in'.
 
2012-07-20 04:42:11 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: tony41454: Bloody William

How deficient do you have to be that you see that picture and not think "Her hand is dark because of the lighting and her being right behind her son," but "That's clearly an edited photo to hide his black mother and communist father!"?

Her hand wouldn't be that dark even in shadow. That picture has been altered for whatever reason.

why don' you try what I did? His arm is in shadows too.
Cut and paste her hand near his arm and why don't you see if they are the same color? eh?


It's "dark" because of the strange things happening with color photos in the 1970's. All the colors are faded and weird. Look at some old Kodaks of your own from the early 70's, and you will see the same thing.
 
2012-07-20 09:49:47 AM

Gyrfalcon: Uchiha_Cycliste: tony41454: Bloody William

How deficient do you have to be that you see that picture and not think "Her hand is dark because of the lighting and her being right behind her son," but "That's clearly an edited photo to hide his black mother and communist father!"?

Her hand wouldn't be that dark even in shadow. That picture has been altered for whatever reason.

why don' you try what I did? His arm is in shadows too.
Cut and paste her hand near his arm and why don't you see if they are the same color? eh?

It's "dark" because of the strange things happening with color photos in the 1970's. All the colors are faded and weird. Look at some old Kodaks of your own from the early 70's, and you will see the same thing.



But... but I was born in '83. As far as I'm concerned, the 70s was a myth.
 
2012-07-20 12:59:01 PM
tony41454


Her hand wouldn't be that dark even in shadow. That picture has been altered for whatever reason.


s14.postimage.org

Of course you won't believe I didn't alter it in photoshop, but I didn't...and look, his hand is just has dark if not even a shade darker.
 
2012-07-20 01:29:37 PM
Idjit, look at his ARM, how much darker is it than HER arm?????
 
2012-07-20 02:29:02 PM
tony41454


Idjit, look at his ARM, how much darker is it than HER arm?????

what the f*ck do you mean? do you see the red boxes? they are both shadows on the white people.
 
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