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(The New York Times)   USPS may default for the first time in history. Hey "Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night" doesn't include "internet", "18th century technology" or "politics" does it?   (nytimes.com) divider line 221
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2012-07-19 03:19:58 PM

JohnCarter: ZzeusS: You'll have to explain to me how moving boxes around, driving a car, and carrying a bag around all day entitles you to $20+/hr and monthly benefits for the rest of your natural life.

$20 and hour??? try $40 at a minimum, plus golden health care, time off, etc. All for essentially unskilled labor


Would you be speaking of the Postal Service on Mars? Cause that isn't what the minimum is here on Earth.
 
2012-07-19 03:30:18 PM
so it seems that everyone is in agreement. That the mandate for pensions on by the congress to the post office is an absurd onus upon them. That the 2006 congress was caving to the political lobbying of various corporations to put their competitor out of business.

So, how do we fix this? What are the legal consequences for the P.O.'s failure to make the payments? will there be repercussion?
 
2012-07-19 03:33:55 PM

bromah: so it seems that everyone is in agreement. That the mandate for pensions on by the congress to the post office is an absurd onus upon them. That the 2006 congress was caving to the political lobbying of various corporations to put their competitor out of business.

So, how do we fix this? What are the legal consequences for the P.O.'s failure to make the payments? will there be repercussion?


The check is in the mail.
 
2012-07-19 04:00:03 PM

plewis: The GOP did this. End of story and the end of a truly free press and free speech. You now have to pay money to a private organization WHO CAN REFUSE YOUR BUSINESS in order to communicate with other American citizens.


And the Dems didn't reverse it, despite having both houses and the President. good for the goose....

/right now Rep Issa is holding up the reform.
//Want good Postal Reform? Vote him out.
 
2012-07-19 04:13:22 PM
Maybe they could just cut services to poor areas. Isn't it more important for the job creators to get and send their mail at a reasonable price?
 
2012-07-19 04:24:13 PM

adversary96: ZzeusS: You'll have to explain to me how moving boxes around, driving a car, and carrying a bag around all day entitles you to $20+/hr and monthly benefits for the rest of your natural life.

Because we do it 6 days a week (excluding holidays) in every condition. Like a month long heat wave, for example. We also have to deal with dog attacks & said dog's clueless owners, praying we're not rear ended at a delivery stop by someone texting while driving, and trying to be fast enough that we aren't chewed out for being late returning even though it was a very heavy volume day.

/Rural Letter Carrier for 7 years and wouldn't trade it for the world.
//Except for weiner dogs. Fark those yappy needle-teeth beasts.


Having lived out in the sticks my entire life, I love our rural postal carriers. They have to put up with some rough conditions to get mail to us. Even when we had the 28" snow that completely shut down everything in this end of the state for a week, I still got my mail somehow.

Our rural carrier is great. I can put an odd or large sized envelope in my mailbox with a note and a $5 bill attached because I don't know the postage and he'll leave a little envelope with the change I'm due with the receipt the next day in my mailbox. Our mailbox is on the nearest county road to our home, but he brings "important looking" packages all the way up to my house quite often. He gets cookies and other homemade treats for major holidays because I value his service.

Our one and only local post office however, they can rot in hell. Shiatty hours, shiatty parking, only 2 lines, one line is always closed. 20+ people in one line, and 5 employees standing by a desk in the back corner cutting up. I loathe having to go inside, which is why I print most of my own package labels at home and resort to my mailman the rest of the time. If they'd have a machine that prints out money orders that people could use any time of day or night, that'd cut down on 80% of the line right there. Freaking immigrants.
 
2012-07-19 04:51:10 PM
So you still get luxuries like saturday delivery to the mailbox at your door ?

You could get mail 3 times a week, no one would notice and maybe they wouldn't need that much junk mail to balance the budgets...
 
2012-07-19 05:21:46 PM
I get that people aren't sending personal letters as often as they did in years past and people do a lot of their bill paying electronically as well. I also know other companies have taken over a lot of the package deliveries, but there is also probably 100x the amount of packages being delivered today than there was 20 years ago .

Also, every day I get upwards of 8-12 pieces of junk mail in my box. I never got that much years ago. 10-15 years ago you would get the occasional flyer or sale paper from the local grocery store and if you happened to be on some companies mailing list you would get things from them, but they're delivering 100 times the amount of junk mail compared to back then so I don't understand how they're so broke.
 
2012-07-19 05:29:06 PM

ReapTheChaos: I get that people aren't sending personal letters as often as they did in years past and people do a lot of their bill paying electronically as well. I also know other companies have taken over a lot of the package deliveries, but there is also probably 100x the amount of packages being delivered today than there was 20 years ago .

Also, every day I get upwards of 8-12 pieces of junk mail in my box. I never got that much years ago. 10-15 years ago you would get the occasional flyer or sale paper from the local grocery store and if you happened to be on some companies mailing list you would get things from them, but they're delivering 100 times the amount of junk mail compared to back then so I don't understand how they're so broke.


That have 11 BILLION that was overpaid for pension stuff. However it seems like congress has to approve it's use, it would solve the problem with plenty left over.
 
2012-07-19 05:56:00 PM

shortymac: ReapTheChaos: I get that people aren't sending personal letters as often as they did in years past and people do a lot of their bill paying electronically as well. I also know other companies have taken over a lot of the package deliveries, but there is also probably 100x the amount of packages being delivered today than there was 20 years ago .

Also, every day I get upwards of 8-12 pieces of junk mail in my box. I never got that much years ago. 10-15 years ago you would get the occasional flyer or sale paper from the local grocery store and if you happened to be on some companies mailing list you would get things from them, but they're delivering 100 times the amount of junk mail compared to back then so I don't understand how they're so broke.

That have 11 BILLION that was overpaid for pension stuff. However it seems like congress has to approve it's use, it would solve the problem with plenty left over.


Ya know, if they really are 11 billion over, just don't farking pay two payments. Then you're all even out.
 
2012-07-19 06:11:11 PM

Nana's Vibrator: MythDragon: Nana's Vibrator: MythDragon: This one time I ordered a CD of underage farm porn(guys farking lambs and calfs) from this friend of mine who specialises in that sort of thing. (Stars AND directs!) I got it next day from UPS. I've never had that good of a turn around from the post office. Plus the package was taped very nicely. Costs 22.25 for shipping, but it was worth it.

Strange thing was, a couple of days later, the cops came to talk to me. I thought it was about the porn and I started to say I was sorry and I wouldn't do it again, but they just gave me some strange looks. Turns out some guy burnt down the store that sent my package, and mine was one of the last ones out of that location. The cops didn't find the connection they were looking for, but they said I was a 'sick sick man'.

Were they wrong, though? Lambs and calfs are not for sex. They are for putting in small cages and keeping them tender until you can kill them, bleed them, gut them, chop them, roast them, eat them, and dispose of their remains in a variety of ways.
God, you really are a sad, sick, twisted person.

Whose to say you can't do both?

It's "who's", you freak. Get it right! Incidentally, I don't think it's anyone's place to tell me to not screw and then eat animals, but I don't think I'd enjoy the salty white gravy glaze*.

(*Your New Band's Name)


I didn't use the wrong possesive pronoun, I simply misspelled 'whores'.
Damn whores are always telling me not to fark farm animals. I guess they rather I spend the money on them.
 
2012-07-19 07:00:29 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: roddack: Aar1012: Gwendolyn: Because I'll be able to send a letter for less than $0.50 when I use UPS or FedEx. Right, free marketers?

Because First Class Mail isn't currently protected by a legal monopoly or anything...

Cost to send a 2 pound package from New Jersey to Koyakuk, Alaska:

UPS: $80.86
ASPS: $5.35

Gee, if they can only ship first class cheaper because of their monopoly, I wonder how they can ship packages cheaper without a monopoly?


I kind of wonder how UPS can get any business at fifteen times the price. (Or whatever it is, I'm too lazy to figure out the cents.)
 
2012-07-19 07:51:40 PM
My husband used to work at the post office during college. He made $70000/yr standing and sorting mail into piles. You could probably pay someone $12/hr to do the same job. Its the union that is destroying the post office but no one ever wants to come out and say it.
 
2012-07-19 08:03:14 PM
A bunch of stupid people out there typing away. What really did the USPS in? Technology... people use email and other social sites to connect with friends and loved ones. For those hipsters out there, people used to send letters and all sorts of cards. Another area the USPS used to make a lot of money was people sending bills through the mail. Today, a large majority of billing is done through direct deposit. Yea, keep thinking there is a grand conspiracy out there. bunch of idiots, use your brains and actually think. Too many people just regurgitate what they want to hear.
 
2012-07-19 10:20:54 PM

Mellow_1: My husband used to work at the post office during college. He made $70000/yr standing and sorting mail into piles. You could probably pay someone $12/hr to do the same job. Its the union that is destroying the post office but no one ever wants to come out and say it.


I seriously doubt the $70000 figure unless he was getting a shiatload of overtime.
I agree with you about the self serving, money grubbing, lets go to Vegas for a convention Union.
 
2012-07-19 11:04:34 PM

odinsposse: lewismarktwo: Is this a vast plot by Republicans so that Democrats won't have an example of a well functioning government enterprise when they bandy about talking points?

Some people see it that way but that isn't what happened. The USPS is not supposed to be a business and so is not supposed to make a profit. They are revenue neutral. However the USPS made a good deal more money than they spent from 2006 back to, I think, 2002. So Congress decided that money should be paid into pre-funding their pension funds. That would have been fine if the USPS kept making the same amount of profit. Unfortunately in 2008 the economy cratered and so did USPS revenues. Now they have this mandated pension payment that they can't make. Without it, they would still be profitable but Congress is unwilling to end those payments.

So yes, it's a ridiculous burden but it's one that, back in 2005-06, USPS actually could have met. Now we've got these dumb Republicans who think that letting them off the hook is fiscally irresponsible even though the USPS hasn't used taxpayer money for decades but will if we keep making them make these ridiculous pension payments.


Concise.
 
2012-07-19 11:09:13 PM
I guess no one on here uses the USPS online - Priority mail etc. labels can be printed at home (or office) from USPS Click n Ship, and First Class and Parcel Post, Media Mail via PayPal - all with bar codes and tracking - with a discount compared to Post Office wait in line prices - and you just drop them off or they pick them up - no waiting in line. And the Priority Boxes are free, delivered to your home or business. They rarely lose what I send with those large labels on them, have never lost an insured shipment. I did track one package to the dead letter office once, and it stayed there. Postman got lost trying to find a large office building? Actually I think it was errors made at a local post office by someone who just did not know addresses, and did not care to check. There seems to be no way to contact the dead letter office to tell them a tracked package is there and where to send it.

Inflatable Rhetoric: kidgenius: Inflatable Rhetoric:
Also, whenever I have to go to the PO for something (seldom), I always have to wait in line. Why is that?

I dunno? Because the post office is filled with people that don't know how to ship a parcel? You could use one of the automated machines at the post office (if yours has em)

Hell, I haven't stepped foot in a post office in years. I go to those pac-n-ship places. Prices are good, and if you need a box or fill material, it's not nearly as expensive there as at a post office.

If it weighs more than 13 ounces, you still have to wait in line and tell the clerk it's not dangerous. If you don't, they'll return it to you (after a few days or months).

 
2012-07-20 12:31:42 AM
usps. you've lost a ton of my packages.. fark off and die
 
2012-07-20 05:56:51 AM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: In all my 40 years, I've found the local newspaper delivery to be more reliable than the the USPS. So why do they say "Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night" when icy roads guarantee that I won't get my mail but I do get the paper?

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds.

While the Postal Service has no official motto, the popular belief that it does is a tribute to America's postal workers. The words above, thought to be the motto, are chiseled in gray granite over the entrance to the New York City Post Office on 8th Avenue and come from Book 8, Paragraph 98, of The Persian Wars by Herodotus. During the wars between the Greeks and Persians (500-449 B.C.), the Persians operated a system of mounted postal couriers who served with great fidelity.
The firm of McKim, Mead & White designed the New York General Post Office, which opened to the
public on Labor Day in 1914. One of the firm's architects, William Mitchell Kendall, was the son of a
classics scholar and read Greek for pleasure. He selected the "Neither snow nor rain . . ." inscription,
which he modified from a translation by Professor George Herbert Palmer of Harvard University, and the Post Office Department approved it.


Didn't know that, thanx for the info!
 
2012-07-20 11:03:05 AM
Poowaddins:If they'd have a machine that prints out money orders that people could use any time of day or night, that'd cut down on 80% of the line righ ...

Rural Carriers can do that too, and put the money order in the mailbox the next day. Though, we don't get many requests for those since people are kinda wary of leaving an envelope of cash in the mailbox unattended. But you can always call the Post Office in the morning before we leave for our route and ask the carrier if you can leave the envelope in a more secure / hidden spot on your property for them to pick up. If you've got a good relationship with your carrier, it shouldn't be a problem.
 
2012-07-20 01:00:47 PM

Jimmysolson: Would you be speaking of the Postal Service on Mars?


Does Elon Musk know about this? He should bring stamps when he retires on Mars.
 
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