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(Independent)   Why is Russia so adamant that the Syrian regime maintain control of Syria? Because if Democracy spills just a bit north, it's in Russian territory... that has always been oppressed by Moscow   (independent.co.uk ) divider line
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2012-07-19 08:22:51 AM  
4 votes:
Also, Syria is the only Middle East client state Moscow has left.
2012-07-19 12:24:14 PM  
3 votes:
The last thing Russia and China want to do is go around legitimizing popular uprisings.
2012-07-19 12:07:13 PM  
3 votes:
democracy? do you mean the fake corporate- driven democracy that the US is currently attempting to violently install in the middle east?
2012-07-19 12:05:00 PM  
3 votes:
No, because this is a proxy war between Iran and the Saudis over influence in the Middle East. Russia has strong ties with Iran, and if Iran's regional power is weakened, so is Russia's. The US is currently backing the Saudis, Egyptians, and Israelis. Therefore the loss of Syria would make Iran the last power base for Russia and China in the region.
2012-07-19 07:32:04 AM  
3 votes:
What the hell makes anyone think that the system that replaces the Alawites in Syria will be democratic? The Muslim Brotherhood has like an 80% chance of taking over, and about a 5% chance of being democratic. Soo...
2012-07-19 06:43:55 AM  
3 votes:
Russia already pretends to be a democracy, submitter.

/Weak argument is weak.
2012-07-19 12:59:35 PM  
2 votes:
Ultimately, I think it comes down to the ways in which people maintain and hold onto power. The Russian government has, in the past, used methods not to different from Syria's (China's government has been guilty of it much more recently). If a precedent is set that these sorts of abuses cause a government to forfeit its right to govern, these governments fear that they could fall into a catch-22: continuing to use these methods could get them removed from power, but not using these methods could also get them removed from power. Neither path is acceptable to them, so they must prop up other users of these methods as best they can.
2012-07-19 12:43:10 PM  
2 votes:
Anything standing in the way of a Greater Israel is a good thing, and that includes Putin. Mid-East nut-jobs clinging to 3000 year old books written by pedophiles need to ALL go the way of the dodo, starting with the most influential.
2012-07-19 12:33:45 PM  
2 votes:

jakomo002: pxsteel: Egypt is already lost to the brotherhood. A major war between Israel and Egypt is in our not to distant future.

I doubt it. Hillary was there to bribe them or threaten them into cooperation with Israel. She went straight to Jerusalem after Egypt to essentially tell the Israelis as much.

Israel's focus is, as it has been for decades, Iran.


If Iran doesn't want Israel focusing on it, Iran should stop focusing on Israel.
2012-07-19 12:11:06 PM  
2 votes:

AliceBToklasLives: wantingout: democracy? do you mean the fake corporate- driven democracy that the US is currently attempting to violently install in the middle east?

no, no, no - a republic, not a democracy


No - a FEDERAL republic.

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2012-07-19 12:05:47 PM  
2 votes:

GAT_00: Also, Syria is the only Middle East client state Moscow has left.


Exactly. The last thing they want is for "the new Syria" to be folded into the US hegemony. So they'll try and fix things for as long as they can, and when they can't, they'll get Bashar al-Asaad out of there and put in their own pro-Russian leader.
2012-07-19 12:00:21 PM  
2 votes:
Democracy has unfortunately become a meaningless word, used by politicians of all stripes to get what they want. They don't fear this word, they incorporate it into their plans.
F42
2012-07-19 01:20:24 PM  
1 vote:
Why is Russia so adamant that the Syrian regime maintain control of Syria?

Because the only Russian naval base in the Mediterranean is in Syria.

It's that simple.
2012-07-19 12:52:08 PM  
1 vote:
'Assad owes us a sh*tload of money' too Occam's Razorish for you, subby?
2012-07-19 12:34:00 PM  
1 vote:

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The last thing Russia and China want to do is go around legitimizing popular uprisings.


Or condemning the use of violence to quiet dissent.

I expect this from China, but I can't figure out Russia's angle. It has been on the wrong side of history from the very beginning of the Arab Spring. Does Putin think that maybe his side can win one and thereby hold onto a deeply dependent ally in the region? Or does he know he's backing a loser and doesn't care because Iran is that important to Russia? I honestly don't get it.

/Russia: losing The Great Game for 99 years.
2012-07-19 12:30:32 PM  
1 vote:

pxsteel: Egypt is already lost to the brotherhood. A major war between Israel and Egypt is in our not to distant future.


I doubt it. Hillary was there to bribe them or threaten them into cooperation with Israel. She went straight to Jerusalem after Egypt to essentially tell the Israelis as much.

Israel's focus is, as it has been for decades, Iran.
2012-07-19 12:30:06 PM  
1 vote:

Big Man On Campus: Democracy has unfortunately become a meaningless word, used by politicians of all stripes to get what they want. They don't fear this word, they incorporate it into their plans.


"Become"?
2012-07-19 12:23:07 PM  
1 vote:

WTF Indeed: No, because this is a proxy war between Iran and the Saudis over influence in the Middle East. Russia has strong ties with Iran, and if Iran's regional power is weakened, so is Russia's. The US is currently backing the Saudis, Egyptians, and Israelis. Therefore the loss of Syria would make Iran the last power base for Russia and China in the region.


Egypt is already lost to the brotherhood. A major war between Israel and Egypt is in our not to distant future.
2012-07-19 12:20:01 PM  
1 vote:

limeyfellow: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: What the hell makes anyone think that the system that replaces the Alawites in Syria will be democratic? The Muslim Brotherhood has like an 80% chance of taking over, and about a 5% chance of being democratic. Soo...

When the brutal dictators like the Shah of Iran, Batista in Cuba, etc are overthrown, we always end up with shining examples of democracy and freedom though.


Those were our dictators. These are their dictators.
2012-07-19 12:14:58 PM  
1 vote:

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: What the hell makes anyone think that the system that replaces the Alawites in Syria will be democratic? The Muslim Brotherhood has like an 80% chance of taking over, and about a 5% chance of being democratic. Soo...


When the brutal dictators like the Shah of Iran, Batista in Cuba, etc are overthrown, we always end up with shining examples of democracy and freedom though.
2012-07-19 12:08:21 PM  
1 vote:

www.thekabulcable.com

"We have always been at peace with East Asia."

2012-07-19 12:02:06 PM  
1 vote:
Trying hard to find the evidence in TFA to support the headline. Russia already deals with democracy in former Soviet-bloc countries along its borders. This is all about money and prestige in the Middle East. And resisting the West
2012-07-19 09:18:31 AM  
1 vote:
...Because if Democracy spills just a bit north...

They'll turn Turkey? The nerve of them!
 
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