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2012-07-19 10:06:29 AM
I am guessing that one reason is nobody cares about them enough to take them seriously so they might surprise a few teams...

/dont care enough about them to read TFA
 
2012-07-19 10:16:20 AM
That's a pretty low bar.
 
2012-07-19 10:20:29 AM
Each season in FFB, some 'who the hell is he guy?' comes to my roster somehow and blows up. Sure, there's two or three others who stink on ice I let go, but always that one. Matt Moore did that for me last season. Not incredible, but he was good for a TD and not many INTs. Helped me out over some tough bye weeks. For that I wish him success.
 
2012-07-19 10:23:07 AM
1. Momentum!
Which means dick-all in the NFL. How many times have we seen a team overachieve near the end of one season, get all kinds of off season hype about how they're ready to "turn the corner" or "maybe contend", and then they fall flat on their faces. See Bucs a couple years back, Chiefs before that, Falcons, Rams a couple years ago...hell the Dolphins themselves I believe were in this same position a few years back.

2. Competitive!
Again, last year means squat. Almost wins...really? That's what you're hanging your hat on?

3. Matt Moore!
The Dolphins believe in him so much, Stephen Ross was ready to suck Peyton's crank on national TV to get him to sign, then they went and drafted Tannehill with the #8 overall and signed David Garrard. Moore is going to have a hook hanging over his locker from the first snap of the pre-season.

4. Reggie Bush!
Here's the deal, guys: Reggie Bush is going to get better this year because the Dolphins receiver corps are in a shambles after Brandon Marshall bailed. And if you buy that, please, please let me participate in the Fantasy league you're playing in this year.

5. Easy Schedule!
Are the Dolphins still in the same division as the Pats, Jets, and the Bills (who improved their team way, way more than the Dolphins did in the off season)? Yes? In all seriousness, it is a pretty easy schedule on paper, but are you really going to be super-psyched to put money on the Dolphins v. Raiders in Week 2? Or on the road v. the Bengals in Week 5? Or against Seattle or San Fran late in the year when Tannehill might be in there running for his life?
 
2012-07-19 10:23:13 AM
So they're gonna be 4-12?
 
2012-07-19 10:29:00 AM
They were better than their record indicated last year. Once Moore had a couple games under his belt and learned the offense, they were pretty solid.

Their real problems in the first half of the season were (1) Henne being Henne and (2) atrocious strength and conditioning for the defense that New England exposed in Week 1.

Think they'll be a middling team this year. Second or third in the division, 8-8-ish. Too many holes in the defense for me to bet on making the playoffs. They still only have one cornerback. Still don't have anybody who can cover one TE, let alone dealing with two TE sets.
 
2012-07-19 10:29:45 AM
I can give you three reasons why they're still going to be last in the AFC East.

1. Patriots
2. Bills
3. Jets

/Obvious tag
 
2012-07-19 10:45:53 AM
They have already exceeded my expectations... I forgot they even existed till just now.
 
2012-07-19 11:02:45 AM
I haven't been following the Fins that closely, but why does Matt Moore get the automatic nod over David Garrard? Garrard has a much better track record, and wouldn't you want a vet like him showing Ryan Tannehill the ropes?
 
2012-07-19 11:06:27 AM

jayhawk88: 1. Momentum!
Which means dick-all in the NFL. How many times have we seen a team overachieve near the end of one season, get all kinds of off season hype about how they're ready to "turn the corner" or "maybe contend", and then they fall flat on their faces. See Bucs a couple years back, Chiefs before that, Falcons, Rams a couple years ago...hell the Dolphins themselves I believe were in this same position a few years back.

2. Competitive!
Again, last year means squat. Almost wins...really? That's what you're hanging your hat on?

3. Matt Moore!
The Dolphins believe in him so much, Stephen Ross was ready to suck Peyton's crank on national TV to get him to sign, then they went and drafted Tannehill with the #8 overall and signed David Garrard. Moore is going to have a hook hanging over his locker from the first snap of the pre-season.

4. Reggie Bush!
Here's the deal, guys: Reggie Bush is going to get better this year because the Dolphins receiver corps are in a shambles after Brandon Marshall bailed. And if you buy that, please, please let me participate in the Fantasy league you're playing in this year.

5. Easy Schedule!
Are the Dolphins still in the same division as the Pats, Jets, and the Bills (who improved their team way, way more than the Dolphins did in the off season)? Yes? In all seriousness, it is a pretty easy schedule on paper, but are you really going to be super-psyched to put money on the Dolphins v. Raiders in Week 2? Or on the road v. the Bengals in Week 5? Or against Seattle or San Fran late in the year when Tannehill might be in there running for his life?


They drafted Ryab Tannehill 8th. That tells me all I need to know about their ability to judge QBs
 
2012-07-19 11:17:42 AM
Ochocinco?
 
2012-07-19 11:26:18 AM
Because Brandon Marshall is gone. He couldn't catch a cold.
 
2012-07-19 11:26:43 AM
Laces out!
 
2012-07-19 11:27:12 AM

Dr J Zoidberg: They drafted Ryab Tannehill 8th. That tells me all I need to know about their ability to judge QBs


Maybe, but how do you think this is going to work out for Matt Moore? Not well, I can promise you that. Unless he just comes out of the gate like '07 Tom Brady, he's going to be feeling the heat from the "promising" rookie.
 
2012-07-19 11:34:32 AM
It's the beginning of training camps. If you don't think your team is going to be better and has a shot at the playoffs, your not a true fan.
Or you root for the Rams.
 
2012-07-19 11:45:52 AM

ChuckNorrisSays: It's the beginning of training camps. If you don't think your team is going to be better and has a shot at the playoffs, your not a true fan.
Or you root for the Rams.


I have heard this argument used before and I don't buy it. Some fans have to have realistic expectations of their teams performance. There are no fans of the New Orleans Hornets in the NBA, but if there were, they couldn't possibly think their team could contend...yet.

I do agree on any given Sunday a team in the NFL could win, but as a Dolphins fan, my expectations are low. You could chalk that up to years of steady abuse and Stockholm syndrome, but I am just hoping they beat the Jets twice.

/Man I hate the Jets.
 
2012-07-19 11:53:40 AM

Wettner: ChuckNorrisSays: It's the beginning of training camps. If you don't think your team is going to be better and has a shot at the playoffs, your not a true fan.
Or you root for the Rams.

I have heard this argument used before and I don't buy it. Some fans have to have realistic expectations of their teams performance. There are no fans of the New Orleans Hornets in the NBA, but if there were, they couldn't possibly think their team could contend...yet.

I do agree on any given Sunday a team in the NFL could win, but as a Dolphins fan, my expectations are low. You could chalk that up to years of steady abuse and Stockholm syndrome, but I am just hoping they beat the Jets twice.

/Man I hate the Jets.

/Man I hate the Pats.
 
2012-07-19 12:10:56 PM

Arkanaut: I haven't been following the Fins that closely, but why does Matt Moore get the automatic nod over David Garrard?


Because he's a better QB, mostly.
 
2012-07-19 12:11:21 PM

Wettner: I have heard this argument used before and I don't buy it. Some fans have to have realistic expectations of their teams performance. There are no fans of the New Orleans Hornets in the NBA, but if there were, they couldn't possibly think their team could contend...yet.


The NBA is a different monster. If you're not really good or really bad, you're hopeless. Teams that are just good enough to crawl into the playoffs typically don't continually improve until they're contenders, and to get the best players you either have to be a city that is enticing to free agents or be so bad that you get a shot at a top lottery pick. And the latter isn't an ironclad guarantee of success when your owner is just not good at what he does (Bobcats) or a racist douchebag slumlord (Clippers).

Going into this season, there are maybe three fanbases that shouldn't be excited about seeing improvement - the Chargers (unless they think this is the year Norv finally gets canned), the Vikings (mostly because their workhorse is out), and the Browns (because they're still entwined in the sadness-industrial complex).
 
2012-07-19 12:14:58 PM
I'm a cheesehead transplanted to south Florida. Been here over 15 years now.

Man, I farking HATE the Pats AND the J-E-S-T JEST JEST JEST as much as I hate the Cowboys.

It amazes me every day that a teams FANBASE can drive someone from the franchise so readily.
 
2012-07-19 12:27:24 PM
6. Mark Sanchez

7. Tim Tebow
 
2012-07-19 12:33:06 PM
One can only hope we get to see Mercury Morris somewhere, at some point during this season.
 
2012-07-19 12:50:17 PM
Football!
 
2012-07-19 01:13:19 PM
I live here in south florida and listen to the local sports honks and callers. You want to talk about apathy, the Heat are king down here now. The emergence of reggie bush was one of the only bright spots of what turned out to be yet another poor to mediocre season. This is the same town that brought us suck for luck when they were going ofer in the first half of the season. I don't know what it will take to get the fans back. It seems to me that this will be another 6-10 to 8-8 season. They will not make the playoffs and have a mid round pick again next year.

/I'm a Bucs fan and that team has its own problems.
 
2012-07-19 01:30:44 PM
And, as much as I hate to give any credence to such a pandering, ball-licking article as this one....

Matt Moore actually did play pretty well last year. And by the end of the year they were, as a team, actually a force to be reckoned with. Look at the run they gave Dallas on Thanksgiving. That was another close loss to talented team.

The LOLPhins deserves the criticism they got for the first 7 games last year, yes. But the end of last year was a night and day difference from the start, and they'll be up around .500 easy this year.

Not saying they'll be in the post-season or anything, or even GOOD. But they're not as bad as last year's 0-7 start might have you believe.
 
2012-07-19 01:35:04 PM

protectyourlimbs: I am guessing that one reason is nobody cares about them enough to take them seriously so they might surprise a few teams...

/dont care enough about them to read TFA


Came in to say the same thing. If they rate a smidge higher than "meh," then good on them.
 
2012-07-19 01:41:57 PM
Rank 'em:

-Dolphins
-Colts
-Vikings
-Browns
-Jaguars
 
2012-07-19 01:55:58 PM
Second half momentum? After starting 0-7 they beat a Chiefs team that had practically packed it in, Washington in Rex Grossman's first start back after four weeks on the pine, Oakland after injuries ran rough over them and a Jets team that was already looking up tee times. So two credible wins over Buffalo, huh? Not exactly punching above your weight class, guys.
 
2012-07-19 01:57:45 PM

Nana's Vibrator: One can only hope we get to see Mercury Morris somewhere, at some point during this season.


When the Packers, Patriots or somebody starts out 7-0 he'll start yapping about how much better the 72 Dolphins were.

/they'd spank that ass Mr Morris, don't kid yourself.
 
2012-07-19 02:40:04 PM
Any time "Matt Moore" is listed as a positive for your team, it probably isn't going to be a very good season.

/Panthers fan
//he's just........okay
 
2012-07-19 02:43:53 PM

El Brujo: Rank 'em:

-Dolphins
-Colts
-Vikings
-Browns
-Jaguars



i'd say

Phins
Vikes
Jags
Colts
Browns

though its a tough call to make
 
2012-07-19 02:58:21 PM

mattador:
When the Packers, Patriots or somebody starts out 7-0 he'll start yapping about how much better the 72 Dolphins were.


Everybody knows the '73 team was better.
 
2012-07-19 03:04:53 PM

xaks: El Brujo: Rank 'em:

-Dolphins
-Colts
-Vikings
-Browns
-Jaguars


i'd say

Phins
Vikes
Jags
Colts
Browns

though its a tough call to make


My prediction for 2013:

Browns
Dolphins
Vikings
Colts
Jaguars
 
2012-07-19 03:08:35 PM
Speaking of the Dolphins, I'm glad that "Hard Knocks" coming back.
 
2012-07-19 03:13:15 PM

El Brujo: xaks: El Brujo: Rank 'em:

-Dolphins
-Colts
-Vikings
-Browns
-Jaguars


i'd say

Phins
Vikes
Jags
Colts
Browns

though its a tough call to make

My prediction for 2013:

Browns
Dolphins
Vikings
Colts
Jaguars


2012, even.
 
2012-07-19 03:22:58 PM
Why the hell did they draft a quarterback at #8 who isn't going to be ready to start in the NFL?

Why not draft a weapon at #8 to make the offense better? Why not give Matt Moore a full year as starter to see what his limits are? If Moore doesn't play well enough to be the starter in the future, Miami could have drafted a QB next year to replace him, and that rookie would have the weapon they drafted at #8 this year to work with!

Fark, I don't give two shiats about the Dolphins and it makes me want to punch the wall.
 
2012-07-19 03:35:13 PM

El Brujo: Rank 'em:

-Dolphins
-Colts
-Vikings
-Browns
-Jaguars


Well, let's look at their non-division schedules; shall we:

Dolphins- AFC South, NFC West, Oakland and at Cincinnati
Colts- AFC East, NFC North, Cleveland and at Kansas City
Vikings- NFC West, AFC South, Tampa and at Washington
Browns- AFC West, NFC East, Buffalo and at Indy
Jaguars- AFC East, NFC North, Cincinnati and at Oakland

I'll go....

Dolphins (barely)
Colts
Browns
Jaguars
Vikings (only because can't be sure on Peterson yet)
 
2012-07-19 04:12:35 PM

El Brujo: Rank 'em:

-Dolphins
-Colts
-Vikings
-Browns
-Jaguars


LOLphins
Brown-stains
Pussy Cats
Viqueens
Ponies
 
2012-07-19 04:24:57 PM
I think that they are going to be much improved, but not for any of the reasons in TFA. The biggest secret in the NFL last season was that the Dolphins were seriously good on defense and improved markedly towards the end of the season. They had the #6 ranked defense in the NFL last season, and only the Ravens and the 49ers were better against the run. The only categories that they were average in on defense were sacks and interceptions and that should be improved by the defense switching to from the 3-4 to the 4-3 defense, with the added pressure leading to more picks. Yes they have lost the sure tackling ability of Safety Yeriamiah Bell, but they picked up CB Richard Marshall from Arizona and have excellent corners. Plus their new defensive co-ordinator is the guy from Cincinnati, a defensive backs coach with a reputation for turning average DB's into good ones.

If the offense is merely adequate, they will make the playoffs. The defense is that good.
 
2012-07-19 04:37:19 PM

macadamnut: mattador:
When the Packers, Patriots or somebody starts out 7-0 he'll start yapping about how much better the 72 Dolphins were.


Everybody knows the '73 team was better.


Yup.

And the "Greatest Team Evar" is the 1960 Packers. They'd lay pipe on the 72 LOLPhins.

It isn't their fault the 'Super Bowl' didn't start until '67.
 
2012-07-19 05:28:27 PM

Mr.Poops: Laces out!


t2.gstatic.com
your gun is digging into my hip
 
2012-07-19 06:23:45 PM
I'm a Dolphins fan. I know there's no way they'll be competitive this year. They should've grabbed Tebow and had him run the Wildcat. They'd still be mediocre but at least they'd be fun to watch. The Lions will make the Super Bowl before the Dolphins get back there.
 
2012-07-19 07:22:26 PM
Wacky statement of the day: Matt Moore is the most under-appreciated QB in the NFL.

Not because he's good, but because he's "okay" but treated as if he's the worst quarterback in the league who has ever started a game. A team gets him, he does alright (better than his predecessor, at least in recent memory), then the team says "okay we're giving the job to another guy who is completely unproven" or "you are now competing with a washed-up guy who had plenty of years to succeed and had plenty of hype but is not really that good anymore." Sometimes it makes sense (Cam Newton, who will be coming back to earth this season), but sometimes it's batshiat insane (Clausen). With Miami... I see a loooot of "bust" written on Tannehill.
 
2012-07-19 10:38:21 PM

xaks: And, as much as I hate to give any credence to such a pandering, ball-licking article as this one....

Matt Moore actually did play pretty well last year. And by the end of the year they were, as a team, actually a force to be reckoned with. Look at the run they gave Dallas on Thanksgiving. That was another close loss to talented team.

The LOLPhins deserves the criticism they got for the first 7 games last year, yes. But the end of last year was a night and day difference from the start, and they'll be up around .500 easy this year.

Not saying they'll be in the post-season or anything, or even GOOD. But they're not as bad as last year's 0-7 start might have you believe.


Basically, this. If they go 8-8, I'll be happy.
 
2012-07-19 11:52:20 PM

oldsbone: El Brujo: Rank 'em:

-Dolphins
-Colts
-Vikings
-Browns
-Jaguars

LOLphins
Brown-stains
Pussy Cats
Viqueens
Ponies


Browns fan here. They have made very good personnel moves and will definitely be a better team. However they have rookies in key positions and a brutal schedule. If they win six while building a solid core for the team it's a very good year.
 
2012-07-20 12:00:29 AM
When do the dolphins just change their logo to an actual dumpster fire and get it over with?
 
2012-07-20 02:48:37 AM

xaks: El Brujo: Rank 'em:

-Dolphins
-Colts
-Vikings
-Browns
-Jaguars


i'd say

Phins
Vikes
Jags
Colts
Browns

though its a tough call to make


At first I wanted to argue with you on this list. After 15 seconds of review I could not.
 
2012-07-20 03:22:49 AM

Forecaster18: When do the dolphins just change their logo to an actual dumpster fire and get it over with?


Too late... the Marlins already put it up in center field to celebrate home runs.
 
2012-07-20 06:02:50 AM

varmitydog: I think that they are going to be much improved, but not for any of the reasons in TFA. The biggest secret in the NFL last season was that the Dolphins were seriously good on defense and improved markedly towards the end of the season. They had the #6 ranked defense in the NFL last season, and only the Ravens and the 49ers were better against the run. The only categories that they were average in on defense were sacks and interceptions and that should be improved by the defense switching to from the 3-4 to the 4-3 defense, with the added pressure leading to more picks. Yes they have lost the sure tackling ability of Safety Yeriamiah Bell, but they picked up CB Richard Marshall from Arizona and have excellent corners. Plus their new defensive co-ordinator is the guy from Cincinnati, a defensive backs coach with a reputation for turning average DB's into good ones.

If the offense is merely adequate, they will make the playoffs. The defense is that good.


The way it worked for the last 9 games of the year was: Defense would hold the opponent to almost nothing while Matty would somehow put 20-ish points on the board. The defense was very good for 3 quarters every week. The defense would then fold like a lawn chair as soon as the 4th Quarter began, because the DL was gassed, the opponent would finally figure out that the LBs couldn't drop into coverage, and Yeremiah Bell couldn't play 7 positions to cover up for everyone but Vontae Davis.

The games against Denver and the Giants were pretty much the only games you needed to see to understand the 2011 Dolphins. I fault them less for the Cowboys game, because Romo really did make some awesome plays in the 4th that even many excellent defenses would've given up.
 
2012-07-20 08:15:50 AM

RickyWilliams'sBong: varmitydog: I think that they are going to be much improved, but not for any of the reasons in TFA. The biggest secret in the NFL last season was that the Dolphins were seriously good on defense and improved markedly towards the end of the season. They had the #6 ranked defense in the NFL last season, and only the Ravens and the 49ers were better against the run. The only categories that they were average in on defense were sacks and interceptions and that should be improved by the defense switching to from the 3-4 to the 4-3 defense, with the added pressure leading to more picks. Yes they have lost the sure tackling ability of Safety Yeriamiah Bell, but they picked up CB Richard Marshall from Arizona and have excellent corners. Plus their new defensive co-ordinator is the guy from Cincinnati, a defensive backs coach with a reputation for turning average DB's into good ones.

If the offense is merely adequate, they will make the playoffs. The defense is that good.

The way it worked for the last 9 games of the year was: Defense would hold the opponent to almost nothing while Matty would somehow put 20-ish points on the board. The defense was very good for 3 quarters every week. The defense would then fold like a lawn chair as soon as the 4th Quarter began, because the DL was gassed, the opponent would finally figure out that the LBs couldn't drop into coverage, and Yeremiah Bell couldn't play 7 positions to cover up for everyone but Vontae Davis.

The games against Denver and the Giants were pretty much the only games you needed to see to understand the 2011 Dolphins. I fault them less for the Cowboys game, because Romo really did make some awesome plays in the 4th that even many excellent defenses would've given up.


You forgot Marshall dropping the winning TD four times a week.
 
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