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(Bangor Daily News)   "Single mothers struggling just to get by" are outraged that they can't use their welfare benefits for " booze, cigarettes, lottery tickets, casino gambling, tattoos and strippers"   (bangordailynews.com) divider line 557
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2012-07-19 05:18:50 AM  
Tough sh*t. When you are spending somebody else's money there are restrictions.
 
2012-07-19 05:28:13 AM  

AbbeySomeone: Tough sh*t.


It's not the restriction themselves, it's the attitude.

advocates for the poor argue that the restrictions are based on stereotypes about people on welfare, and they say the notion of any widespread abuse is a myth.


To give you an idea, imagine Drew made a new addition to the FARQ saying "AbbeySomeone can no longer post links Brazilian scat pornography, and neither can the rest of you TFDers."

We don't have any such trend of posting such links. But for the higher ups to take time out of their day to single you out and put insulting restrictions on you to prevent things you weren't doing anyway is a slap in the face.

But don't let me stand in the way of your derpin'.
 
2012-07-19 05:39:38 AM  

doglover: AbbeySomeone: Tough sh*t.

It's not the restriction themselves, it's the attitude.

advocates for the poor argue that the restrictions are based on stereotypes about people on welfare, and they say the notion of any widespread abuse is a myth.


To give you an idea, imagine Drew made a new addition to the FARQ saying "AbbeySomeone can no longer post links Brazilian scat pornography, and neither can the rest of you TFDers."

We don't have any such trend of posting such links. But for the higher ups to take time out of their day to single you out and put insulting restrictions on you to prevent things you weren't doing anyway is a slap in the face.

But don't let me stand in the way of your derpin'.


Well, living in Japan does give you some authority and experience with this subject. The restrictions would not be in place if there wasn't a cause. Sure as hell, going into any market, casino or liquor store in a low income neighborhood around the first of the month might change your attitude.
 
2012-07-19 05:45:19 AM  
It would be the same as drug testing welfare recipients.
A massive waste of money, with very little to show for it.

There is no way they can track cash, and any attempt, would be a fruitless waste.
 
2012-07-19 06:12:52 AM  

AbbeySomeone: The restrictions would not be in place if there wasn't a cause.


Yeah. That cause is derp and whargarble demonizing the poor from idiot teabaggers who think welfare queens are a real problem.

They're being penny wise and pound foolish.
 
2012-07-19 06:20:47 AM  
Welfare and food stamps are not the reason we're broke.
 
2012-07-19 06:27:40 AM  

doglover: AbbeySomeone: The restrictions would not be in place if there wasn't a cause.

Yeah. That cause is derp and whargarble demonizing the poor from idiot teabaggers who think welfare queens are a real problem.

They're being penny wise and pound foolish.


So let them buy booze and cigarettes?
 
2012-07-19 06:37:25 AM  

Happy Hours: So let them buy booze and cigarettes?


You mean allow them to be treated like citizens of this country? Why, yes. Yes, we do.
 
2012-07-19 06:43:50 AM  

Happy Hours: So let them buy booze and cigarettes?


You don't understand.

When you make a decree like this, you have to enforce it. That costs money, takes time, and creates hassle. And the sick thing is, history shows how humans (especially Americans! USA USA USA) will have their contraband. You simply can't stop that. There's people in jail with phones, hard drugs, and weapons. If you can't stop contraband there, when all vectors are controlled to the nth, you really can't stop it at all. So what you're left with is a simple cost benefit analysis:

Is the real reduction in unwanted behavior actually worth the hassle of enforcement?

I've been in poor neighborhoods. You make it illegal to use welfare money on something and you'll just wind up with some tricksy farks selling apples for 3 dollars a pop (two change under the table) or some equally transparent scheme. The first loophole will be torn wider than goatsee. The second wider still.

By the time you FINALLY reform the current abuse, everyone will already have a black market work around. So abuse will continue unfettered and the only people who will be hurt are the taxpayers who have to foot the bill for the bumbling efforts of a police force that would rather be stopping real crime trying to make room in the budget and roster for the soul crushing business of shaking down people who just want to take the edge off being broke.

If you really want reform, try getting creative. Instead of making welfare money more locked down, offer people on welfare bonuses to volunteer on public works projects. You want your malt liquor? Here's a push broom and a some gloves. Come help us clean the side walk and you get a little extra in this week's check.
 
2012-07-19 06:44:28 AM  

MorrisBird: Happy Hours: So let them buy booze and cigarettes?

You mean allow them to be treated like citizens of this country? Why, yes. Yes, we do.


Two weeks ago I was in line at the supermarket getting a few items for dinner. The gal ahead of me had a box of wine, handle of vodka, mixer and frozen pizzas. She used her gov't issued card, got 40 back and headed straight for the line to buy smokes and lottery tickets. She bought nothing for the kids that were with her unless mixer and frozen pizza is a meal but the guy she was with thanked her for the vodka. I'm sure this was an uncommon ocurrence.
 
2012-07-19 06:47:18 AM  

doglover: Happy Hours: So let them buy booze and cigarettes?

You don't understand.

When you make a decree like this, you have to enforce it. That costs money, takes time, and creates hassle. And the sick thing is, history shows how humans (especially Americans! USA USA USA) will have their contraband. You simply can't stop that. There's people in jail with phones, hard drugs, and weapons. If you can't stop contraband there, when all vectors are controlled to the nth, you really can't stop it at all. So what you're left with is a simple cost benefit analysis:

Is the real reduction in unwanted behavior actually worth the hassle of enforcement?

I've been in poor neighborhoods. You make it illegal to use welfare money on something and you'll just wind up with some tricksy farks selling apples for 3 dollars a pop (two change under the table) or some equally transparent scheme. The first loophole will be torn wider than goatsee. The second wider still.

By the time you FINALLY reform the current abuse, everyone will already have a black market work around. So abuse will continue unfettered and the only people who will be hurt are the taxpayers who have to foot the bill for the bumbling efforts of a police force that would rather be stopping real crime trying to make room in the budget and roster for the soul crushing business of shaking down people who just want to take the edge off being broke.

If you really want reform, try getting creative. Instead of making welfare money more locked down, offer people on welfare bonuses to volunteer on public works projects. You want your malt liquor? Here's a push broom and a some gloves. Come help us clean the side walk and you get a little extra in this week's check.


Some where
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2012-07-19 06:58:15 AM  

AbbeySomeone: Two weeks ago I was in line at the supermarket getting a few items for dinner. The gal ahead of me had a box of wine, handle of vodka, mixer and frozen pizzas. She used her gov't issued card, got 40 back and headed straight for the line to buy smokes and lottery tickets. She bought nothing for the kids that were with her unless mixer and frozen pizza is a meal but the guy she was with thanked her for the vodka. I'm sure this was an uncommon ocurrence.


CSB, You are not her mother. You are perpetuating a really, really evil stereotype,
 
2012-07-19 07:12:42 AM  

doglover: You don't understand.


I understand completely.

First you say it's not a problem, then you say restricting what welfare can be used for would just create a black market for those things that welfare recipients aren't buying anyway.
 
2012-07-19 07:15:17 AM  

AbbeySomeone: Two weeks ago I was in line at the supermarket getting a few items for dinner. The gal ahead of me had a box of wine, handle of vodka, mixer and frozen pizzas. She used her gov't issued card, got 40 back and headed straight for the line to buy smokes and lottery tickets. She bought nothing for the kids that were with her unless mixer and frozen pizza is a meal but the guy she was with thanked her for the vodka. I'm sure this was an uncommon ocurrence.


I love the smell of bullshiat in the morning.
 
2012-07-19 07:17:23 AM  

MorrisBird: AbbeySomeone: Two weeks ago I was in line at the supermarket getting a few items for dinner. The gal ahead of me had a box of wine, handle of vodka, mixer and frozen pizzas. She used her gov't issued card, got 40 back and headed straight for the line to buy smokes and lottery tickets. She bought nothing for the kids that were with her unless mixer and frozen pizza is a meal but the guy she was with thanked her for the vodka. I'm sure this was an uncommon ocurrence.

CSB, You are not her mother. You are perpetuating a really, really evil stereotype,


If the shoe fits...
 
2012-07-19 07:21:35 AM  

Happy Hours: First you say it's not a problem, then you say restricting what welfare can be used for would just create a black market for those things that welfare recipients aren't buying anyway.


Of course they're buying booze. Everyone buys booze. Trying to stop it is only going to be pissing money away.

It's like trying to stop bleeding by cutting a hole in the vein to let the blood out before it gets to the wound. Now, instead of one hemorrhage, you've got two.
 
2012-07-19 07:23:42 AM  

AbbeySomeone: She used her gov't issued card


I thought those things were nondescript?
 
2012-07-19 07:48:06 AM  

AbbeySomeone: Tough sh*t. When you are spending somebody else's money there are restrictions.


Unless you are a rep from a defense contractor buying dinner, with taxpayer dollars, for a couple congressmen. Then it's lobster and caviar, baby!!!11!!
 
2012-07-19 08:21:36 AM  
FTA: But Elizabeth Lower-Basch, a policy analyst for the Center for Law and Social Policy, a Washington-based nonprofit organization, said the regulations reflect "people's preconceived notions and stereotypes of low-income people." She said poor people have hardly any money left over for things like alcohol or tattoos after they pay for necessities.

I concur with this comment. I'm sure exceptions happen though. So let's include churches as stuff people can't pay for who are on welfare.
 
2012-07-19 09:05:29 AM  

AbbeySomeone: Two weeks ago I was in line at the supermarket getting a few items for dinner. The gal ahead of me had a box of wine, handle of vodka, mixer and frozen pizzas. She used her gov't issued card, got 40 back and headed straight for the line to buy smokes and lottery tickets. She bought nothing for the kids that were with her unless mixer and frozen pizza is a meal but the guy she was with thanked her for the vodka. I'm sure this was an uncommon ocurrence.


i254.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-19 09:26:24 AM  

BurnShrike: AbbeySomeone: Two weeks ago I was in line at the supermarket getting a few items for dinner. The gal ahead of me had a box of wine, handle of vodka, mixer and frozen pizzas. She used her gov't issued card, got 40 back and headed straight for the line to buy smokes and lottery tickets. She bought nothing for the kids that were with her unless mixer and frozen pizza is a meal but the guy she was with thanked her for the vodka. I'm sure this was an uncommon ocurrence.

I love the smell of bullshiat in the morning.


vernonFL: AbbeySomeone: Two weeks ago I was in line at the supermarket getting a few items for dinner. The gal ahead of me had a box of wine, handle of vodka, mixer and frozen pizzas. She used her gov't issued card, got 40 back and headed straight for the line to buy smokes and lottery tickets. She bought nothing for the kids that were with her unless mixer and frozen pizza is a meal but the guy she was with thanked her for the vodka. I'm sure this was an uncommon ocurrence.

[i254.photobucket.com image 677x516]


No no no you guys, I'm sure it's absolutely true that AbbySomeone remembers exactly what a random person bought, the kind of card they used, the amount of money they got back, and where she went immediately afterward... from 2 weeks ago. I know I for one keep track of the spending habits of everyone I happen to come across in a supermarket.
 
2012-07-19 09:27:33 AM  

Dinki: No no no you guys, I'm sure it's absolutely true that AbbySomeone remembers exactly what a random person bought, the kind of card they used, the amount of money they got back, and where she went immediately afterward... from 2 weeks ago. I know I for one keep track of the spending habits of everyone I happen to come across in a supermarket.


I might've fallen for it, but she forgot the part about the kids obviously being from different fathers, and that she had another one on the way.
 
2012-07-19 09:34:25 AM  

AbbeySomeone: MorrisBird: Happy Hours: So let them buy booze and cigarettes?

You mean allow them to be treated like citizens of this country? Why, yes. Yes, we do.

Two weeks ago I was in line at the supermarket getting a few items for dinner. The gal ahead of me had a box of wine, handle of vodka, mixer and frozen pizzas. She used her gov't issued card, got 40 back and headed straight for the line to buy smokes and lottery tickets. She bought nothing for the kids that were with her unless mixer and frozen pizza is a meal but the guy she was with thanked her for the vodka. I'm sure this was an uncommon ocurrence.


Uh huh. And then she got in her Cadillac that was driven by a strapping young buck
 
2012-07-19 09:42:08 AM  

BSABSVR: Uh huh. And then she got in her Cadillac that was driven by a strapping young buck


It had rimz TWENTY FEET IN DIAMETER!!
 
2012-07-19 10:13:46 AM  

doglover: You don't understand.

When you make a decree like this, you have to enforce it. That costs money, takes time, and creates hassle. And the sick thing is, history shows how humans (especially Americans! USA USA USA) will have their contraband. You simply can't stop that. There's people in jail with phones, hard drugs, and weapons. If you can't stop contraband there, when all vectors are controlled to the nth, you really can't stop it at all. So what you're left with is a simple cost benefit analysis:

Is the real reduction in unwanted behavior actually worth the hassle of enforcement?

I've been in poor neighborhoods. You make it illegal to use welfare money on something and you'll just wind up with some tricksy farks selling apples for 3 dollars a pop (two change under the table) or some equally transparent scheme. The first loophole will be torn wider than goatsee. The second wider still.

By the time you FINALLY reform the current abuse, everyone will already have a black market work around. So abuse will continue unfettered and the only people who will be hurt are the taxpayers who have to foot the bill for the bumbling efforts of a police force that would rather be stopping real crime trying to make room in the budget and roster for the soul crushing business of shaking down people who just want to take the edge off being broke.

If you really want reform, try getting creative. Instead of making welfare money more locked down, offer people on welfare bonuses to volunteer on public works projects. You want your malt liquor? Here's a push broom and a some gloves. Come help us clean the side walk and you get a little extra in this week's check.


Actually, the cost for enforcement should be minimal if they just stick to deactivating the EFT cards in places like casinos, liquor stores, tattoo parlors, etc.

Like I tell my 18 year-old son, if you're on my nickel, there are strings attached. Once you're on your own, you can spend your money however you like.
 
2012-07-19 10:25:12 AM  

AbbeySomeone: Well, living in Japan does give you some authority and experience with this subject. The restrictions would not be in place if there wasn't a cause.


Oh really? Then why are Republicans passing voter id laws when voter fraud is not a problem?
 
2012-07-19 10:26:11 AM  
Oh fantastic, this piece of shiat is going green. Now we all get to whip out our dicks and brag about how much we hate the poors
 
2012-07-19 10:27:48 AM  

AbbeySomeone: Well, living in Japan does give you some authority and experience with this subject. The restrictions would not be in place if there wasn't a cause.


And by the way I'd better not see you posting any of that Brazilian scat porn in this thread, because that sh*t is gross.
 
2012-07-19 10:31:27 AM  
The leeches are at the top.
 
2012-07-19 10:32:44 AM  
I'd better not see any old people on Medicare living in anything nicer than a nursing home with daily beatings.
 
2012-07-19 10:36:29 AM  
If we were honest about this, we'd place the same restrictions on social security.

Sorry grandpa, I don't want that money going to your old fashioned and winstons.
 
2012-07-19 10:40:39 AM  
I agree that people shouldn't spend welfare or food stamps on tattoos, booze and drugs.

On the other hand, they are contributing to the local economy and small business. Where I live there is a booming market for booze, heroin and crack, and if people are trading benefits for these non-essential items, it props up the local ghetto economy.
 
2012-07-19 10:41:02 AM  

AbbeySomeone: MorrisBird: Happy Hours: So let them buy booze and cigarettes?

You mean allow them to be treated like citizens of this country? Why, yes. Yes, we do.

Two weeks ago I was in line at the supermarket getting a few items for dinner. The gal ahead of me had a box of wine, handle of vodka, mixer and frozen pizzas. She used her gov't issued card, got 40 back and headed straight for the line to buy smokes and lottery tickets. She bought nothing for the kids that were with her unless mixer and frozen pizza is a meal but the guy she was with thanked her for the vodka. I'm sure this was an uncommon ocurrence.


Why exactly do you believe the government should have the ability to dictate how people eat? That's insane. What, should being on government support mean you MUST eat spaghetti on Wednesdays?

That's an absurd level of government interference in private lives, and you know damn well you'd denounce personal government intrusion if it involved women's health issues. You can't denounce one and call for the other. They aren't that different.
 
2012-07-19 10:45:26 AM  

Aarontology: old fashioned


woah what kind of old folk's home is YOUR grandpa in?
 
2012-07-19 10:49:25 AM  

Jackson Herring: woah what kind of old folk's home is YOUR grandpa in?


Handy Hill Retirement Community
 
2012-07-19 10:51:05 AM  

Jackson Herring: Aarontology: old fashioned

woah what kind of old folk's home is YOUR grandpa in?


It's Always The Fifties Meadows.
 
2012-07-19 10:55:52 AM  

Jackson Herring: Oh fantastic, this piece of shiat is going green. Now we all get to whip out our dicks and brag about how much we hate the poors


Anyone receiving any form of government aid should only be allowed to subsist on a vitamin enriched gruel. Whatever it was they fed Neo when he first got out of the matrix should suffice. Smiles by poor people should be fleeting and not reach the eyes, lest they appear to us producers to be enjoying their leechitude. Recreation should be limited to listlessly kicking a soccer ball against a brick wall or standing forlornly on a stoop. 3 beers a week are permitted so long as they are a) Pabst and b) Not enjoyed in a hip way.
 
2012-07-19 10:56:59 AM  

GAT_00: Why exactly do you believe the government should have the ability to dictate how people eat?


Government assistance always comes with strings attached.

TommyymmoT: It would be the same as drug testing welfare recipients.


No...drug testing welfare recipients is more like closing the barn door after the horse took off.

Far as nutritional assistance goes, I would rather see these "single mothers struggling to get by" assisted with actual food instead of a benefits card. The current system promotes obesity even for recipients trying to do the right thing and stretch their cards - the cheapest calories available are processed crap.

I'd rather take the people who currently sit in offices doing asset checks put to work in food distribution. I doubt that many poor people would want to bother trying to rip off the government to get free broccoli.

And the people who do abuse their benefit cards to get cash for booze and smokes would be shiat outta luck. Nobody's going to take a loaf of whole-wheat bread in trade for a pack of Marlboros.
 
2012-07-19 11:00:00 AM  

sweetmelissa31: I'd better not see any old people on Medicare living in anything nicer than a nursing home with daily beatings.


Asking that welfare recipients not tuck food stamps in strippers g-strings is exactly like that. I bow to your superior intelligence.

No way to enforce this, but I agree this assistance should not be used for alcohol, cigs, or strippers. In the grand scheme of things, it's about 246 on my list of worries.
 
2012-07-19 11:05:09 AM  

BSABSVR: Recreation should be limited to listlessly kicking a soccer ball against a brick wall or standing forlornly on a stoop. 3 beers a week are permitted so long as they are a) Pabst and b) Not enjoyed in a hip way.


wow so you want my hard-earned tax dollars going towards buying soccer balls for minorities?
 
2012-07-19 11:09:07 AM  
Anyway, the reason people have to buy into the cadillac-driving welfare queen myth is so that they can feel morally superior to the poor. You have to think "well *I* made all the right choices in my life, that could never happen to ME" I guess to avoid the terrifying thought that you, too are like one car accident or medical bill away from being in their shoes.
 
2012-07-19 11:12:10 AM  

Jackson Herring: I guess to avoid the terrifying thought that you, too are like one car accident or medical bill away from being in their shoes.


FACT: 98% of "poor" "people" have shoes.
 
2012-07-19 11:18:31 AM  

TommyymmoT: It would be the same as drug testing welfare recipients.
A massive waste of money, with very little to show for it.

There is no way they can track cash, and any attempt, would be a fruitless waste.


As the article stated, ATM's can be programmed to reject EBT cards. Problem solved.
 
2012-07-19 11:25:35 AM  

sweetmelissa31: Jackson Herring: I guess to avoid the terrifying thought that you, too are like one car accident or medical bill away from being in their shoes.

FACT: 98% of "poor" "people" have shoes.


welcome to fartbama's fartmerica :(
 
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2012-07-19 11:26:15 AM  
Philadelphia resident Lisa Crawford, who receives $375 a month in benefits for herself and her 11-year-old son, said using public assistance at strip clubs and liquor stores is "abusive." But otherwise, she said, "I think you should be accountable for your living situation and should be able to buy what you want as long as your main bills are taken care of."

Crawford, who has been going on job interviews, said nail or hair salons shouldn't be put off limits, in part because job-seekers must look presentable: "Luxuries can also help you in the workforce."


Yes, that really sounds like outrage over not being to buy booze. Trolltastic headline.
 
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2012-07-19 11:36:48 AM  

vernonFL: AbbeySomeone: Two weeks ago I was in line at the supermarket getting a few items for dinner. The gal ahead of me had a box of wine, handle of vodka, mixer and frozen pizzas. She used her gov't issued card, got 40 back and headed straight for the line to buy smokes and lottery tickets. She bought nothing for the kids that were with her unless mixer and frozen pizza is a meal but the guy she was with thanked her for the vodka. I'm sure this was an uncommon ocurrence.

[i254.photobucket.com image 677x516]


Every right winger I know can tell you a story about personally seeing Laqueesha the welfare queen buying a new Mercedes Benz with food stamps. It's kind of like the fundamentalists who swear that they were faith healed by televangelists.
 
2012-07-19 11:47:36 AM  
Philadelphia resident Lisa Crawford, who receives $375 a month in benefits for herself and her 11-year-old son,

Yeah look at how good those welfare queens have it.
 
2012-07-19 12:02:23 PM  

TommyymmoT: There is no way they can track cash, and any attempt, would be a fruitless waste.


Dusk-You-n-Me: The leeches are at the top.


Jackson Herring: the reason people have to buy into the cadillac-driving welfare queen myth is so that they can feel morally superior to the poor.


sweetmelissa31: FACT: 98% of "poor" "people" have shoes.


*sniff* sometime I love fark.
 
2012-07-19 12:27:09 PM  
I worked at a grocery store as a teenager. You knew when food stamp time was. Back in those days, they actually got the funny colored "cash" that they could only use in grocery stores, and you couldn't get real money unless your change came to less than a dollar. I'm sure this new EBT system is a lot easier to cheat. Not everyone who used them did, but the first week of the month, you saw a lot of steaks and chips and cookies being sold. Lots of expensive junk.

I think food assistance should be done like the WIC system. You get a check for a specific amount and types of food. It covers the staples, and relatively healthy choices. Sorry you can't buy Doritos and Coke with your government benefits. Send the stores a list of items that can be purchased, and let them program it in. The store I worked in 17 years ago could do that. If you were buying a non food item, or some sort of prepared food, and you were buying with food stamps, when you went to pay, there were two totals, one was what food stamps covered, and one was for things they didn't. No cash back. Simple, and it might make people a little healthier to boot.
 
2012-07-19 12:39:10 PM  

devildog123: I worked at a grocery store as a teenager. You knew when food stamp time was. Back in those days, they actually got the funny colored "cash" that they could only use in grocery stores, and you couldn't get real money unless your change came to less than a dollar. I'm sure this new EBT system is a lot easier to cheat. Not everyone who used them did, but the first week of the month, you saw a lot of steaks and chips and cookies being sold. Lots of expensive junk.

I think food assistance should be done like the WIC system. You get a check for a specific amount and types of food. It covers the staples, and relatively healthy choices. Sorry you can't buy Doritos and Coke with your government benefits. Send the stores a list of items that can be purchased, and let them program it in. The store I worked in 17 years ago could do that. If you were buying a non food item, or some sort of prepared food, and you were buying with food stamps, when you went to pay, there were two totals, one was what food stamps covered, and one was for things they didn't. No cash back. Simple, and it might make people a little healthier to boot.


Sounds like the kind of thing that Michelle Obama could get behind. If stores frequented by food stamps had to sell only certain "healthy" foods for food stamps, then they would stock more of that then junk food, right?

But who decides what is "healthy"? And really, considering the variety of brands and styles in stores, you can't really program out things except by broad category like booze. And, sorry, frozen pizzas and pizza rolls may not be healthy, but they are fast. And sometimes, the rich, middle class and poor don't have time to prepare a "from scratch healthy non-processed food" meal.
 
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