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2012-07-19 04:24:03 PM  
I'm definitely interested in the Nexus 7. I run my home wifi through my Galaxy Nexus and therefore could use Google Voice on my Nexus 7 so I could be using my phone + computer in one device.
 
2012-07-19 04:35:32 PM  

madgonad: Got mine today.

WORST WIFI EVER!

Seriously, I have to get within 20' of the access point to get a stable connection. In my living room I might get 1 bar and drop occasionally while my laptops and phone get five bars.

Also, Google support specifically told me (I have email) that Nexus 7 will support the use of external storage through USB Host. Well, it looks like it doesn't.

This POS is going back. Google.... I am disappoint.


Could it be your router? I got mine on Monday and it's gotten full bars when I'm on 3rd floor (router in basement) and several rooms away horizontally. It's gotta be at least 60' away or so... works fine out on the back patio too.

POS seems a bit harsh, but I guess it depends on your feature needs. I mostly got mine to tinker with (gf has an iPad), don't think I'd strongly recommend either one over the other. Way better than other Android tabs I've seen though.
 
2012-07-19 05:09:14 PM  

Electromax: madgonad: Got mine today.

WORST WIFI EVER!

Seriously, I have to get within 20' of the access point to get a stable connection. In my living room I might get 1 bar and drop occasionally while my laptops and phone get five bars.

Also, Google support specifically told me (I have email) that Nexus 7 will support the use of external storage through USB Host. Well, it looks like it doesn't.

This POS is going back. Google.... I am disappoint.

Could it be your router? I got mine on Monday and it's gotten full bars when I'm on 3rd floor (router in basement) and several rooms away horizontally. It's gotta be at least 60' away or so... works fine out on the back patio too.

POS seems a bit harsh, but I guess it depends on your feature needs. I mostly got mine to tinker with (gf has an iPad), don't think I'd strongly recommend either one over the other. Way better than other Android tabs I've seen though.


Two smartphones, and three laptops have five bars - Nexus 7 has one, if it even connects.

Also, my Nexus 7 just went TITSUP. Going through the RMA process right now.

Ain't our disposable society great?
 
2012-07-19 05:09:20 PM  

madgonad: Got mine today.

WORST WIFI EVER!

Seriously, I have to get within 20' of the access point to get a stable connection. In my living room I might get 1 bar and drop occasionally while my laptops and phone get five bars.

Also, Google support specifically told me (I have email) that Nexus 7 will support the use of external storage through USB Host. Well, it looks like it doesn't.



My take on it is that it's pretty damned horrible on non-802.11n networks (my "no real need to upgrade" 802.11g routers at home) but pretty solid on 802.11n networks (Cisco infrastructure at work). If that pans out, I guess it's time to go 'n' at home. If you do take it apart, you'll see where the wifi antenna is (built into the back plastic).

The screw tightening hasn't totally eliminated the screen popout on mine. It's not horrible yet (and a little better with the tighter screws), so I'll wait a month to see if there's a better built version ready to cross-ship.

As for the USB host mode, it is working rooted and with the stickmount app. Good enough for me, anyway, even if annoying. I'd to use this instead of a laptop when bike touring or at my "no good internet, we're in the bumfark sticks" in-laws. The stickmount work-around is.... marginally acceptable.

Fun little game player. Fun little web browser while the cat wants my lap. Not really sure I needed one.
 
2012-07-19 05:23:24 PM  

madgonad: Also, Google support specifically told me (I have email) that Nexus 7 will support the use of external storage through USB Host. Well, it looks like it doesn't.


I'm really surprised they told you that. That was something that everyone wanted to know, and Anandtech broke the news that it would not.

However, the people at XDA are working on making it happen.
 
2012-07-19 05:29:11 PM  

Detinwolf: madgonad: Also, Google support specifically told me (I have email) that Nexus 7 will support the use of external storage through USB Host. Well, it looks like it doesn't.

I'm really surprised they told you that. That was something that everyone wanted to know, and Anandtech broke the news that it would not.

However, the people at XDA are working on making it happen.


This was the email I received from their support team:

Thank you for contacting Google. It was my pleasure assisting you today.

Though the Nexus 7 doesn't include an SD card slot, we offer a 16 GB version if you're looking for additional storage. Yes you can use an external storage through the microUSB.

If there is anything further we can assist you with, please feel free to reply directly to this email or visit our help center at http://support.google.com/googleplay/bin/request.py?contact_type=conta ct_policy&policy=hardware

Regards,

Jon
The Google Play Team
 
2012-07-19 05:53:43 PM  

OriginalGamer: D_Evans45: OriginalGamer: Yes, tablets can handle N64, and my particular tablet has more than a "respectable" screen. My TV does 1920x1080p. My iPad does 2048x1536.


Pretty damn cool. I just googled around a bit and it looks like they have PS1 emulators even. I was planning on holding off on a tablet until the holiday season when some good Windows 8 deals might pop up, but lately the Galaxy and that iPad display have been calling my name... Does retina display really make that big a difference? There is a $100 price difference between the 2, and the iPad does lack SD card support IIRC.

Anyone here who owned a Galaxy, and can talk about some pros and cons of the device?

I'll be called a fanboi by someone I'm sure, but yeah, the retina display made a huge difference to me, makes you realize how lazy LCD manufacturers have been, and hopefully forces everyone to start putting out quality displays. It's like night and day. If you can survive the smug you can visit a local Apple Store and decide for yourself.


tl;dr: The new Transformer Prime Infinity is good if you care about resolution, otherwise, the Galaxy Tab 2 is a decent tablet if you don't mind noticing a few pixels here and there.


At least you identified yourself as such. "Retina" is a marketing term without any proper definition. (Well, maybe it's simply "display on an APL product"). Going by the "socially accepted" definition of a high DPI screen, a lot of devices even a couple years ago meet this requirement, such as the Blackberry Playbook.

You call LCD manufacturers "lazy" despite the fact that:
A) Millions of people were content with 160DPI before all this "retina" jargon came out. Recall 480x320 was the de-facto resolution for the first 4 years. You call manufacturers lazy? Maybe it's because they saw what APL was doing and followed suit -- charging premium prices for substandard hardware. Most Android phones were running around with 240-280 DPI, but no iperson seemed to care about that... well, until APL went to 280dpi on their most recent tablet. Then it's "omg other companies are lazy" or "omg revolutionary screen"

B) APL has only been rolling out high DPI devices BEFORE other companies only in the past few months, if that... and it's probably a last ditch attempt to remain "innovative" (I mean, the last "flagship" innovation was a can't-be-bothered-to-rebrand voice assistant that already existed previously for a few bucks on said platform. Not sure why everyone was saying it was new and innovative)

Even then, 1920x1080 on a 10" tablet is more than enough. Hell, I have that resolution on my ~3 year old 16" Sony Viao (150DPI) laptop and I'm having trouble identifying pixels and I'm holding my head closer than most people would just to see if I can.
 
2012-07-19 05:54:52 PM  
Tablets as we know them now are soon to be dead.

Yeah, that's right motherf*ckers. Dead.

Smartphones with reasonably large screens (see: every Android phone of consequence in the last 6 months) will be more than enough for the average person's casual browsing.

For everything else, tablet-laptop hybrids like the Surface, that can run actual useful software instead of 1000 varieties of weather apps and Angry Birds clones, will come along and supplant the traditional laptop.

At that point, these cutesy but relatively useless tablets like the iPad and Nexus 7 will be rendered entirely obsolete.
 
2012-07-19 06:16:04 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Tablets as we know them now are soon to be dead.

Yeah, that's right motherf*ckers. Dead.

Smartphones with reasonably large screens (see: every Android phone of consequence in the last 6 months) will be more than enough for the average person's casual browsing.

For everything else, tablet-laptop hybrids like the Surface, that can run actual useful software instead of 1000 varieties of weather apps and Angry Birds clones, will come along and supplant the traditional laptop.

At that point, these cutesy but relatively useless tablets like the iPad and Nexus 7 will be rendered entirely obsolete.


The base price of the Nexus 7 is $199. What's the base price of the Surface gonna run? I'd be a big fan of a tablet that could run straight up Office, but is it gonna be the same price as a MacBook Air?
 
2012-07-19 06:30:43 PM  

kliq: The base price of the Nexus 7 is $199. What's the base price of the Surface gonna run? I'd be a big fan of a tablet that could run straight up Office, but is it gonna be the same price as a MacBook Air?


And that $200 Nexus 7 is also much much cheaper than any halfway-respectable Android/iOS phone (without carrier subsidies). They're in the $300-$350 range (the high end of that price range gets you an unlocked 3GS iPhone with 8G... so, yay, three-year-old tech).

Do I honestly expect to be using my Nexus 7 in 24+ months? Dunno... maybe, maybe not. The paradigm might indeed move elsewhere. And? It was 200 bloody bucks. I think I might get that out of it in the next year.
 
2012-07-19 06:36:28 PM  

SleepingEye: At least you identified yourself as such. "Retina" is a marketing term without any proper definition. (Well, maybe it's simply "display on an APL product"). Going by the "socially accepted" definition of a high DPI screen, a lot of devices even a couple years ago meet this requirement, such as the Blackberry Playbook.


Yup. Link. In fact, some device's screen specs downright destroy the iPhone's. On the other hand, for now the iPad pretty much has a clear lead in pixel density on tablets.

Of course, like you say, they scale their marketing catchphrase with "expected viewing distance" so the PPI on the MacBook Retina is substantially lower than the iPad 3, which is again, lower than the 4S so the term "retina" really doesn't have a proper meaning.
 
2012-07-19 06:38:07 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Tablets as we know them now are soon to be dead.

Yeah, that's right motherf*ckers. Dead.

Smartphones with reasonably large screens (see: every Android phone of consequence in the last 6 months) will be more than enough for the average person's casual browsing.

For everything else, tablet-laptop hybrids like the Surface, that can run actual useful software instead of 1000 varieties of weather apps and Angry Birds clones, will come along and supplant the traditional laptop.

At that point, these cutesy but relatively useless tablets like the iPad and Nexus 7 will be rendered entirely obsolete.


I have one of those oversized Android phones that you speak of. Can't stand watching a movie for more than 30 mins on the tiny screen. A tablet's just perfect. Cloud services let me switch between devices flawlessly, so I never feel tethered to any one thing. Steve Ballmer, is that you?
 
2012-07-19 07:46:26 PM  

SleepingEye: OriginalGamer: D_Evans45: OriginalGamer: Yes, tablets can handle N64, and my particular tablet has more than a "respectable" screen. My TV does 1920x1080p. My iPad does 2048x1536.


Pretty damn cool. I just googled around a bit and it looks like they have PS1 emulators even. I was planning on holding off on a tablet until the holiday season when some good Windows 8 deals might pop up, but lately the Galaxy and that iPad display have been calling my name... Does retina display really make that big a difference? There is a $100 price difference between the 2, and the iPad does lack SD card support IIRC.

Anyone here who owned a Galaxy, and can talk about some pros and cons of the device?

I'll be called a fanboi by someone I'm sure, but yeah, the retina display made a huge difference to me, makes you realize how lazy LCD manufacturers have been, and hopefully forces everyone to start putting out quality displays. It's like night and day. If you can survive the smug you can visit a local Apple Store and decide for yourself.

tl;dr: The new Transformer Prime Infinity is good if you care about resolution, otherwise, the Galaxy Tab 2 is a decent tablet if you don't mind noticing a few pixels here and there.


At least you identified yourself as such. "Retina" is a marketing term without any proper definition. (Well, maybe it's simply "display on an APL product"). Going by the "socially accepted" definition of a high DPI screen, a lot of devices even a couple years ago meet this requirement, such as the Blackberry Playbook.

You call LCD manufacturers "lazy" despite the fact that:
A) Millions of people were content with 160DPI before all this "retina" jargon came out. Recall 480x320 was the de-facto resolution for the first 4 years. You call manufacturers lazy? Maybe it's because they saw what APL was doing and followed suit -- charging premium prices for substandard hardware. Most Android phones were running around with 240-280 DPI, but no iperson seemed to care a ...


I didn't mean to say they were all lazy, but Apple is pushing super high res, and that's a good thing. When I say lazy, I'm talking about LCD resolution being fairly stagnant for a long time, with a lot of tablets (including iPad 1/2) thinking 1024x768 was acceptable, and with laptops doing usually 1440x900 and such.

Now that people are seeing super sharp displays, I'm hoping more and more manufacturers jump on board. Better displays are good for everyone!
 
2012-07-19 08:13:37 PM  

The Banana Thug: Hmm, I've been thinking about getting this. Too bad about no expandable SD slot, though.

Any Android tablet out there for around $200, runs on Android 3.0 or higher, with SD slot and camera?


If you're willing to go $249...

Android 4.0/ICS, 8GB Internal, microSD up to 32GB, Wi-Fi (802.11b/g/n); Bluetooth 3.0,
1GHz Dual-Core Processor; 1GB RAM, Front and rear cameras, free 1-year 50gb DropBox:

Link
 
2012-07-19 10:18:15 PM  

jso2897: The Moon Cannot Be Stolen

Ryokan, a Zen master, lived the simplest kind of life in a little hut at the foot of a mountain. One evening a thief visited the hut only to discover there was nothing to steal.

Ryokan returned and caught him. "You have come a long way to visit me," he told the prowler, "and you should not return empty-handed. Please take my clothes as a gift."

The thief was bewildered. He took the clothes and slunk away.

Ryoken sat naked, watching the moon. "Poor fellow," he mused, "I wish I could have given him this beautiful moon."


Well put, good sir.
 
2012-07-20 02:50:22 AM  
This device already seems to be plagued with issues (a sampling from around the inter-tubes):

1) Dead Pixels
2) Creaky Screens
3) Glass separating from the case
4) Defective backlighting
5) Blown Speakers

buyer beware. It will be interesting to see how Google deals with customer support issues.
 
2012-07-20 06:34:43 AM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller:
For everything else, tablet-laptop hybrids like the Surface, that can run actual useful software instead of 1000 varieties of weather apps and Angry Birds clones, will come along and supplant the traditional laptop.


NOPE.AVI

You mean things like a ThinkPad X41 yes? Something that's a got the usability of a laptop but can run as a tablet whilst still being x86 and running full-fat Windows. They do not and never have sold in any great numbers; it is not a form factor or OS combination consumers show any interest in whatsoever.

Slates are here to stay and with over 26m iPad's in the wild... I'd say consumers are pretty damn happy with this sort of machine.
 
2012-07-20 08:34:17 AM  

kingflower: This device already seems to be plagued with issues (a sampling from around the inter-tubes):

1) Dead Pixels
2) Creaky Screens
3) Glass separating from the case
4) Defective backlighting
5) Blown Speakers

buyer beware. It will be interesting to see how Google deals with customer support issues.


I got mine this week, and it's perfect. None of the problems listed above. Of course the people that do get defective devices are going to be the ones that run to the internet to write a scathing review.
It's the same when the new iPad came out; people saying it was overheating. I also have a new iPad (iPad 3, if you will), and I have yet to have it get overly warm while I'm using it.
If you're really that concerned that you could get a defective unit, then buy it from a brick and mortar store. That way you can return it for an immediate replacement or refund. If you want to be an early adopter, then yes, you may encounter a few issues.
 
2012-07-21 11:36:26 PM  
Google's got a few screws loose. This is news?
 
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