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(Computerworld)   October 26th, 2012: The day you'll have to ask yourself, "I've got $20. Do I order a pizza or buy 2,000 shares of Microsoft stock?"   (computerworld.com) divider line 81
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2012-07-19 04:47:07 PM

Electromax: If you really think W8 is gonna crash and burn, wouldn't it be a good time to exercise some call options on MS stock?


They just ate a eh... $6 billion write-off for some failed acquisition from 2007 and had a record quarter trashed by it... $426 million operating loss.

Aaaaaaand they're still up in trading.
 
2012-07-19 04:53:09 PM

OriginalGamer: Thanks for the tip on ClassicShell, I'd forgotten about it. Does make Windows 8 kinda redundant though if all everyone will do is roll it back to look and function like Windows 7.

Though I did once use a bunch of 3rd party apps, custom icons, and resource editors to make Windows 7 on my crappy netbook look just like Windows 95 for shiats and giggles.

The result (yes, that IS Windows 7!): [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x498]


If all you're worried about is the cosmetic aspects, you can set up basically any Windows OS to look like 95.

The stuff that irritates most of us is changes to the file structure and the way certain settings are accessed, I think. Having to go through the weird "computer utility" thing to access msconfig functions and so on. Stuff that people just checking their e-mail don't generally care about, but that people that actually own a computer to do computer stuff usually want to be able to fiddle with. That and general resource over-usage/bloat tends to piss people off, too.
 
2012-07-19 05:11:00 PM

MithrandirBooga: I've been using win8 since the September BUILD conference build. It's a solid OS. I just don't understand why people are biatching about Metro.

"But you have to click and drag through the start screen to get to your programs!". Nope.

Start button-> start typing the name of the program-> click on it.

Pretty much exactly how the start menu works now, except without the ridiculous hierarchy that no one uses anymore anyway.


Please explain how I access "Computer Management" through the Metro interface. Curiously, it does not appear when I type the words "Computer management" at the interface, yet it does appear when doing the same in the Start menu of Windows 7.
 
2012-07-19 05:28:21 PM
I always try to make everything look as much like Windows 98 as possible.

This is still fairly doable in Windows 7 without any custom applications/skins/whatever.

Is it doable in Windows 8? Because I don't like custom applications/skins/whatever.
 
2012-07-19 05:28:39 PM
As far as I can tell, Windows 8 is exactly the same as Windows 7, but with a bunch of stupid shiat you don't want clogging up the user interface that you have to figure out how to turn off.

Sounds like a winner!
 
2012-07-19 05:36:37 PM
Hey guys, do

Dimensio: MithrandirBooga: I've been using win8 since the September BUILD conference build. It's a solid OS. I just don't understand why people are biatching about Metro.

"But you have to click and drag through the start screen to get to your programs!". Nope.

Start button-> start typing the name of the program-> click on it.

Pretty much exactly how the start menu works now, except without the ridiculous hierarchy that no one uses anymore anyway.

Please explain how I access "Computer Management" through the Metro interface. Curiously, it does not appear when I type the words "Computer management" at the interface, yet it does appear when doing the same in the Start menu of Windows 7.


Do you really need to access that so much that not having a button at a moment's notice is a chore?
 
2012-07-19 05:38:41 PM

Dimensio: MithrandirBooga: I've been using win8 since the September BUILD conference build. It's a solid OS. I just don't understand why people are biatching about Metro.

"But you have to click and drag through the start screen to get to your programs!". Nope.

Start button-> start typing the name of the program-> click on it.

Pretty much exactly how the start menu works now, except without the ridiculous hierarchy that no one uses anymore anyway.

Please explain how I access "Computer Management" through the Metro interface. Curiously, it does not appear when I type the words "Computer management" at the interface, yet it does appear when doing the same in the Start menu of Windows 7.


Bring up the start... er... button... by going to the bottom left corner. Right click it. Find it in the menu.

That might have what you're looking for.
 
2012-07-19 05:40:49 PM

Dimensio:
Please explain how I access "Computer Management" through the Metro interface. Curiously, it does not appear when I type the words "Computer management" at the interface, yet it does appear when doing the same in the Start menu of Windows 7.


compmgmt.msc?

/Haven't played around with Windows 8 in a while.
 
2012-07-19 05:47:05 PM

LasersHurt: Hey guys, do Dimensio: MithrandirBooga: I've been using win8 since the September BUILD conference build. It's a solid OS. I just don't understand why people are biatching about Metro.

"But you have to click and drag through the start screen to get to your programs!". Nope.

Start button-> start typing the name of the program-> click on it.

Pretty much exactly how the start menu works now, except without the ridiculous hierarchy that no one uses anymore anyway.

Please explain how I access "Computer Management" through the Metro interface. Curiously, it does not appear when I type the words "Computer management" at the interface, yet it does appear when doing the same in the Start menu of Windows 7.

Do you really need to access that so much that not having a button at a moment's notice is a chore?


Plus if you use it so much, just pin it to the god damned start menu and/or taskbar.

/using Windows8 at home
//Love my 30 second or so boot up time, not on SSD
 
2012-07-19 05:54:28 PM
I think Windows 8 will actually be a raging success, and here's why:

For once in the company's recent history, they are actually ahead of a curve on a paradigm shift in computer culture. Just like PDA's and cell phones converged to make smartphones a couple of years ago, we're going to see the convergence of tablets and laptops into a singular device that will have the functionality of a full-blown PC instead of the "large smartphone" tablets we have now.

Windows 8 is finally going to integrate every little thing that Microsoft has been working on for the past 10 years or so. We're finally going to see the Xbox, Xbox Live, Windows Phone, Windows Live, SkyDrive, and the Windows OS actually start working together in one of those fancy things they call an "ecosystem."

/so you can dig this post up in about a year to prove me wrong.
 
2012-07-19 06:11:45 PM

traylor: Reminds me, I had the 95 and used a binary editor for a nice hack in the good old days: in all the files in the Windows directory and its subdirectories, search-and-replace "indows" to "indoze". It worked, and I had the raddest Win in about a 10 miles radius.


I remember hacking around and doing stuff like that... but I'm thinking your search-and-replace there would kill your machine... because "windows" is the name of the main system directory. So any references to any of the files in "c:\windows\..." would break.
 
2012-07-19 06:16:18 PM

elchip: I always try to make everything look as much like Windows 98 as possible.

This is still fairly doable in Windows 7 without any custom applications/skins/whatever.

Is it doable in Windows 8? Because I don't like custom applications/skins/whatever.


I'm thinking so... business users still use Windows, and most of them don't want a silly social/tiled/metro or whatever interface.

And businesses are not going to want to train Sally in Accounting a completely new interface.
 
2012-07-19 06:37:41 PM
I'm perhaps two years from needing a new computer, but I've already bought a copy of Win7 (found a good discount) that I'll be saving for that far-off build.

I used the Windows 8 Consumer Preview for several weeks. I tried it. And it will be a cold day in hell before Metro ever again touches a computer I own.
 
2012-07-19 06:54:05 PM

LasersHurt: Hey guys, do Dimensio: MithrandirBooga: I've been using win8 since the September BUILD conference build. It's a solid OS. I just don't understand why people are biatching about Metro.

"But you have to click and drag through the start screen to get to your programs!". Nope.

Start button-> start typing the name of the program-> click on it.

Pretty much exactly how the start menu works now, except without the ridiculous hierarchy that no one uses anymore anyway.

Please explain how I access "Computer Management" through the Metro interface. Curiously, it does not appear when I type the words "Computer management" at the interface, yet it does appear when doing the same in the Start menu of Windows 7.

Do you really need to access that so much that not having a button at a moment's notice is a chore?


As a system administrator, yes.
 
2012-07-19 06:56:02 PM

Desquamation: Dimensio:
Please explain how I access "Computer Management" through the Metro interface. Curiously, it does not appear when I type the words "Computer management" at the interface, yet it does appear when doing the same in the Start menu of Windows 7.

compmgmt.msc?

/Haven't played around with Windows 8 in a while.


I can utilize the direct command when I have a command prompt running with Administrator credentials open. However, MithranderBooga claimed that the Windows 8 interface functioned in a fashion "Pretty much exactly how the start menu works now, except without the ridiculous hierarchy that no one uses anymore anyway." thus I should be able to access Computer Management through searching in Metro.
 
2012-07-19 07:13:20 PM

LasersHurt: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: LasersHurt: It's going to be fine. Relax.

While Metro on the desktop is probably going to flop at first, it's going to boom on tablets and whatnot.

Doubtful. MS waited far too long to get into the tablet business. As far as whatnot; the Windows phone is not doing that well in the market.

I sincerely doubt the timing is relevant. Imagine if you could have a home computer, tablet, and phone, all fully integrated? Ecosystems sell well, and the integration they're creating is actually even tighter than what exists between iOS and MacOS.

Couple that with very good reviews of Win8 on tablets and Windows Phone 8, and I think it'll happen.

In my company, they were staunchly anti Windows Phone (we make VoIP Apps). As soon as the Win8 / WP8 announcements came out, suddenly their tune changed. It's not going to be some "come-from-nowhere knockout kid," but I'm confident that the products will do well, and the ecosystem will slowly but surely grow market share.


I'd love to know how. For years it's been put a desktop OS on a tablet and that's been rejected. So now the game plan is put a tablet OS on a desktop.
 
2012-07-19 07:31:58 PM

downstairs: traylor: Reminds me, I had the 95 and used a binary editor for a nice hack in the good old days: in all the files in the Windows directory and its subdirectories, search-and-replace "indows" to "indoze". It worked, and I had the raddest Win in about a 10 miles radius.

I remember hacking around and doing stuff like that... but I'm thinking your search-and-replace there would kill your machine... because "windows" is the name of the main system directory. So any references to any of the files in "c:\windows\..." would break.


One thing is sure, it worked. Maybe I didn't use the default directory name when installing, or maybe the system directory string was encoded in the registry in Unicode, and so left intact by my hack?
 
2012-07-19 07:36:52 PM

CmndrFish: I think Windows 8 will actually be a raging success, and here's why:

For once in the company's recent history, they are actually ahead of a curve on a paradigm shift in computer culture. Just like PDA's and cell phones converged to make smartphones a couple of years ago, we're going to see the convergence of tablets and laptops into a singular device Micrthat will have the functionality of a full-blown PC instead of the "large smartphone" tablets we have now.

Windows 8 is finally going to integrate every little thing that Microsoft has been working on for the past 10 years or so. We're finally going to see the Xbox, Xbox Live, Windows Phone, Windows Live, SkyDrive, and the Windows OS actually start working together in one of those fancy things they call an "ecosystem."

/so you can dig this post up in about a year to prove me wrong.


Revolutionary products do not do well on the market. Evolutionary products are the ones that make it big.

Windows 8 is not an evolution from Windows 7. Windows 8 throws out practically everything for the past 20 years in Windows. Consumers dont like that kind of sudden change.

We all know that OS X and iOS will eventually merge. Apple is doing the smart thing; they are easily shooing their base into it. OS X Mountain Lion has many features that were once only part of iOS (notification center, gamecenter, iMessages). Plus, Apple understands the clear difference between a Desktop OS and a mobile OS.

We may be in a post-PC world, but PC's still are pretty much everywhere, and they shall be so for many years to come. Mobile OS's on a desktop computer just do not work.
 
2012-07-19 07:43:51 PM
I like that Windows continues to have a single point of failure, the registry. Nothing like a PC when the registry gets hosed.
 
2012-07-19 08:12:03 PM
My best short term investment ever was right after Vista released. Their stock took a huge hit and I picked up some cheap. It rebounded and then some in no time. Made about 20% in a couple of weeks.

/Very much a novice investor
//CSB
 
2012-07-19 09:27:33 PM

downstairs: elchip: I always try to make everything look as much like Windows 98 as possible.

This is still fairly doable in Windows 7 without any custom applications/skins/whatever.

Is it doable in Windows 8? Because I don't like custom applications/skins/whatever.

I'm thinking so... business users still use Windows, and most of them don't want a silly social/tiled/metro or whatever interface.

And businesses are not going to want to train Sally in Accounting a completely new interface.


The business point is somewhat moot. A lot of businesses bought Windows 7 licenses or are just now getting around to upgrade plans with Windows 7. It'll be the next XP. I'll end up hating that Windows wallpaper as much as I do the damned green hill.

If Microsoft really wanted to hit a good stride, they'd release operating systems less often but offer major upgrades downloadable in-between.That way, you wouldn't have systems staying on one version of Windows for 10+ years.

/"It does everything I want it to"
//the idiotic horse owner said that about his horse when presented with a Model T.
 
2012-07-20 03:57:52 AM

OriginalGamer: Thanks for the tip on ClassicShell, I'd forgotten about it. Does make Windows 8 kinda redundant though if all everyone will do is roll it back to look and function like Windows 7.

Though I did once use a bunch of 3rd party apps, custom icons, and resource editors to make Windows 7 on my crappy netbook look just like Windows 95 for shiats and giggles.

The result (yes, that IS Windows 7!): [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x498]


Wow, that took me back. You just need to change one thing about that desktop background:

img694.imageshack.us

You weren't rocking a Win95 system if you didn't have pinball.
 
2012-07-20 05:04:26 AM

Marine1: It's obvious from Microsoft's positive cash flow, high earnings, massive savings, recent announcements, and large number of acquisitions here of late that they are FAILING. It's just a dinosaur company that has no future, and those 90,000 people who work for that component of the DJIA are doomed to joblessness because of how poorly the company is doing. I


you did hear that MS posted their first quarterly loss this quarter, right? their first loss ever. it probably won't be the last.
 
2012-07-20 08:32:30 AM

Dimensio: LasersHurt: Hey guys, do Dimensio: MithrandirBooga: I've been using win8 since the September BUILD conference build. It's a solid OS. I just don't understand why people are biatching about Metro.

"But you have to click and drag through the start screen to get to your programs!". Nope.

Start button-> start typing the name of the program-> click on it.

Pretty much exactly how the start menu works now, except without the ridiculous hierarchy that no one uses anymore anyway.

Please explain how I access "Computer Management" through the Metro interface. Curiously, it does not appear when I type the words "Computer management" at the interface, yet it does appear when doing the same in the Start menu of Windows 7.

Do you really need to access that so much that not having a button at a moment's notice is a chore?

As a system administrator, yes.


I was a system admin for a while too, and... Well, i guess it depends on your situation and all. But "as a system admin" I think you can either just not use Win 8, or maybe figure out what you DO type to get it (literally everything can be typed, I'm sure of this).
 
2012-07-20 10:41:56 AM
Linux has essentially caught up to Windows at this point. I find the newer Ubuntu releases more user-friendly and practical than win7. And the one great holdout that's kept a Windows machine on my desk, gaming, is heading in a cross-platform or browser-based direction due to mobile apps becoming the huge moneymaker, and Apple gaining more market share.

At this point, I have real doubts that I'll ever need a Microsoft OS after 7.
 
2012-07-20 01:44:40 PM

Dimensio: Desquamation: Dimensio:
Please explain how I access "Computer Management" through the Metro interface. Curiously, it does not appear when I type the words "Computer management" at the interface, yet it does appear when doing the same in the Start menu of Windows 7.

compmgmt.msc?

/Haven't played around with Windows 8 in a while.

I can utilize the direct command when I have a command prompt running with Administrator credentials open. However, MithranderBooga claimed that the Windows 8 interface functioned in a fashion "Pretty much exactly how the start menu works now, except without the ridiculous hierarchy that no one uses anymore anyway." thus I should be able to access Computer Management through searching in Metro.


Okay, I know this is a day late and you'll probably not read this but not being able to remember exactly how I got to computer management meant I had to go home and rebuild the Win8 VM just to get my brain to shut up.

While not exactly the same process as Win7 it's still just as easy to get to.

Pressing the windows key - start typing "computer", I got two letters in before it popped up in the left pane. Right click on it and at the bottom a bar with several options appears. Manage is the second one.

Also, if you choose to include computer on your desktop you can right click on that and select manage as well.

/In no way am I defending Metro... I do not like it and would really prefer they include the damn start menu.
//Just saying it's not the end of the world a lot of folks seem to be making it out to be.
 
2012-07-20 05:47:48 PM

Desquamation: Dimensio: Desquamation: Dimensio:
Please explain how I access "Computer Management" through the Metro interface. Curiously, it does not appear when I type the words "Computer management" at the interface, yet it does appear when doing the same in the Start menu of Windows 7.

compmgmt.msc?

/Haven't played around with Windows 8 in a while.

I can utilize the direct command when I have a command prompt running with Administrator credentials open. However, MithranderBooga claimed that the Windows 8 interface functioned in a fashion "Pretty much exactly how the start menu works now, except without the ridiculous hierarchy that no one uses anymore anyway." thus I should be able to access Computer Management through searching in Metro.

Okay, I know this is a day late and you'll probably not read this but not being able to remember exactly how I got to computer management meant I had to go home and rebuild the Win8 VM just to get my brain to shut up.

While not exactly the same process as Win7 it's still just as easy to get to.

Pressing the windows key - start typing "computer", I got two letters in before it popped up in the left pane. Right click on it and at the bottom a bar with several options appears. Manage is the second one.

Also, if you choose to include computer on your desktop you can right click on that and select manage as well.

/In no way am I defending Metro... I do not like it and would really prefer they include the damn start menu.
//Just saying it's not the end of the world a lot of folks seem to be making it out to be.


Actually, its just like how he wants it and it can be accessed using Metro but it adds all the admin tools to your start screen.

Go into Metro, right click select settings - select tiles, click yes to show admin tools. (by default it has the admin tile off)
this will allow you to use it the same way you did before but it adds all the admin tools to the menu (which you could remove all of them except computer management)
 
2012-07-21 12:23:00 AM
everyone knows you upgrade with every other Windows release. so as long as they make a Windows 9, they'll be fine.
 
2012-07-21 08:24:05 PM

baorao: everyone knows you upgrade with every other Windows release. so as long as they make a Windows 9, they'll be fine.


Ah, obviously following the same rule set as the original Star Trek movies then.
 
2012-07-21 08:46:45 PM

OriginalGamer: baorao: everyone knows you upgrade with every other Windows release. so as long as they make a Windows 9, they'll be fine.

Ah, obviously following the same rule set as the original Star Trek movies then.


NT service packs also followed the tradition.
 
2012-07-22 01:13:15 PM

baorao: everyone knows you upgrade with every other Windows release. so as long as they make a Windows 9, they'll be fine.


And you know what THAT means? Systemic fundamental and continuing errors by leadership.
 
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