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(Computerworld)   October 26th, 2012: The day you'll have to ask yourself, "I've got $20. Do I order a pizza or buy 2,000 shares of Microsoft stock?"   (computerworld.com) divider line 81
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-07-19 11:01:42 AM  
I bought like 1,000 shares of Polaroid stock. It was possible a miracle could occur and the share price could rise above a penny or whatever it was worth at the time.

It was the best stock market investment I ever made. I lost less than $200.
 
2012-07-19 12:59:56 PM  
No way, I'm saving that $20 for when Pets.com makes their heroic comeback
 
2012-07-19 01:05:31 PM  
Oh, Come on!
It will take at least till the 29th to fall that far!

/Released at closing time on a Friday, like other bad news.
 
2012-07-19 01:09:47 PM  
It's going to be fine. Relax.

While Metro on the desktop is probably going to flop at first, it's going to boom on tablets and whatnot. At the same time, businesses will stick with Windows 7 for a while. Result? Not that big of a problem for MS, and lots of learning time.
 
2012-07-19 01:12:02 PM  
So, Microsoft's stock will tank 10x as hard when Windows 8 is released, versus Windows Vista?

//Microsoft's stock went up with the release of Vista
 
2012-07-19 01:16:34 PM  

1000 Ways to Dye: So, Microsoft's stock will tank 10x as hard when Windows 8 is released, versus Windows Vista?

//Microsoft's stock went up with the release of Vista


I think they'll take a hit on this one, but it will be once the returns start coming in at retailers, so I'll give them a few months before the impact hits.
 
2012-07-19 01:19:23 PM  
Retards have been predicting the doom of Microsoft after every release of everything they've ever built since Windows 95. Three years from now, you'll all be using Windows 8 and predicting their doom as they ramp up for Windows Eleventy.

/ Yes, subby, I mean you.
 
2012-07-19 01:22:10 PM  
Meh. Of the gargantuan-sized software/hardware companies, outside of Google, Microsoft is currently the biggest innovator. You'll get over it.

/but Apple patented the wedge and the rectangle, so there's that
 
2012-07-19 01:24:40 PM  
Windows 8 will be a modest win for Microsoft. It will be adopted by home users, about like Vista was. People probably won't really like it, but they'll probably love the new hardware bundled with it (i.e. SSDs and four or more CPU cores), and they'll be fine with it, weird and sucky UI or not.
 
2012-07-19 01:28:00 PM  
I wish I could have put $1000 into M$ in 1986. The dividends would work out to about $1.6million a year today.

Splits made shares 256 times what they were, sold for 10 cents in 1986 and now dividends are about 16 cents per quarter.

Yes, MSFT is the type of stock investors dream of when they buy Facebook at $38 when it should be about $5.
 
2012-07-19 01:30:47 PM  

likefunbutnot: Windows 8 will be a modest win for Microsoft. It will be adopted by home users, about like Vista was. People probably won't really like it, but they'll probably love the new hardware bundled with it (i.e. SSDs and four or more CPU cores), and they'll be fine with it, weird and sucky UI or not.


Remember, most people don't build their own machines. They buy pre-built machines. And Microsoft insists on their latest OS being on said machines. Vista would have tanked if the computer world was truly a la carte for the common, non-savvy user.

Now, I don't have the numbers... I'm sure less people upgraded to vista from XP as compared to those who went from 95 to XP. But by no means did it tank.

Also, most users don't even *know* what OS they're using. I'm fixing a friend's laptop. I asked him if it was XP, Vista, or Win 7. His response: "No idea."

Anyway, I'm giving him Win 7 because *I* like it and I have a ton of copies, and I think he'll like it. But if I gave him XP... he wouldn't know or care... he'd just adapt to whatever he's running.
 
2012-07-19 01:33:16 PM  

LasersHurt: It's going to be fine. Relax.

While Metro on the desktop is probably going to flop at first, it's going to boom on tablets and whatnot. At the same time, businesses will stick with Windows 7 for a while. Result? Not that big of a problem for MS, and lots of learning time.


The law firm I work at (about 5,000 people worldwide) is just now wrapping up the Win 7 rollout, which means we'll be on this platform for at least 5 years.
 
2012-07-19 01:43:27 PM  
I've been using the Consumer Preview, and have tried HARD to be fair, but it really isn't that good. The Metro UI is retarded on a desktop or laptop, and the standard Desktop is just Win7/Vista with no start button. You want to see your installed apps? Have fun because you either HAVE to use Metro, or manually browse to the Program Files folder and start making a shiat ton of shortcuts.

Also, the Task Manager has been uglyfied to the max.
 
2012-07-19 01:46:33 PM  

chechcal: LasersHurt: It's going to be fine. Relax.

While Metro on the desktop is probably going to flop at first, it's going to boom on tablets and whatnot. At the same time, businesses will stick with Windows 7 for a while. Result? Not that big of a problem for MS, and lots of learning time.

The law firm I work at (about 5,000 people worldwide) is just now wrapping up the Win 7 rollout, which means we'll be on this platform for at least 5 years.


My company is still on XP, with a Win 7 migration likely in the next couple of years. So I doubt I'll ever see Win8.
 
2012-07-19 01:50:29 PM  

LasersHurt: It's going to be fine. Relax.

While Metro on the desktop is probably going to flop at first, it's going to boom on tablets and whatnot. At the same time, businesses will stick with Windows 7 for a while. Result? Not that big of a problem for MS, and lots of learning time.


Stop with your logic.

It's obvious from Microsoft's positive cash flow, high earnings, massive savings, recent announcements, and large number of acquisitions here of late that they are FAILING. It's just a dinosaur company that has no future, and those 90,000 people who work for that component of the DJIA are doomed to joblessness because of how poorly the company is doing. I mean, I read it in that paragon of tech news that I always look to when I need info on the IT industry, Vanity Fair. I even read it on my iPad.

/sarcasm off
 
2012-07-19 01:56:17 PM  

OriginalGamer: I've been using the Consumer Preview, and have tried HARD to be fair, but it really isn't that good. The Metro UI is retarded on a desktop or laptop, and the standard Desktop is just Win7/Vista with no start button. You want to see your installed apps? Have fun because you either HAVE to use Metro, or manually browse to the Program Files folder and start making a shiat ton of shortcuts.

Also, the Task Manager has been uglyfied to the max.


Classic Shell

Try this. I'll admit that the Metro start menu is not really effective on desktop computers. A buddy of mine at the Columbia MO Hackerspace I belong to showed me Classic Shell. It's an open-source project that puts a start button with an XP-style menu in your taskbar. You can customize the hell out of it, too.

There are actually some pretty good ideas in Win 8 when you're freed up to explore them with Classic Shell. I love the new Task Manager. It tells you damned near everything about the machine.
 
2012-07-19 01:56:55 PM  

LasersHurt: It's going to be fine. Relax.

While Metro on the desktop is probably going to flop at first, it's going to boom on tablets and whatnot.


Doubtful. MS waited far too long to get into the tablet business. As far as whatnot; the Windows phone is not doing that well in the market.
 
2012-07-19 02:00:15 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: LasersHurt: It's going to be fine. Relax.

While Metro on the desktop is probably going to flop at first, it's going to boom on tablets and whatnot.

Doubtful. MS waited far too long to get into the tablet business. As far as whatnot; the Windows phone is not doing that well in the market.


Google had tablets out right after the iPad and they're not doing well, either. I don't think timing has much to do with it.

Then again, courtroom drama doesn't help. It'll be interesting to see if Apple tries to sue Microsoft over some obscure feature when the Surface drops.
 
2012-07-19 02:01:41 PM  
Windows 8 is a HUGE mistake.

Desktop users like to have a desktop operating system. The mouse and keyboard is not a touch screen. They both have two different design paradigms.

Yes, I know that there is a Desktop mode in Windows 8, but you cannot disable Metro on startup and the desktop is quite weakened without the start menu. Plus, Microsoft is gonna do their best to push you to use metro no matter what. Microsoft is gonna cripple Desktop mode so badly to force change upon its customer.

Microsoft farking sucks. fark YOU BALMER
 
2012-07-19 02:04:07 PM  

1000 Ways to Dye:

//Microsoft's stock went up with the release of Vista


Stock holders care only that the worlds most dominant software company released more software. On time. On budget.

Win8 could go full Millennium raped my cat and bad touched my inner child Edition and the stock price would still go up.
 
2012-07-19 02:07:00 PM  

Marine1: OriginalGamer: I've been using the Consumer Preview, and have tried HARD to be fair, but it really isn't that good. The Metro UI is retarded on a desktop or laptop, and the standard Desktop is just Win7/Vista with no start button. You want to see your installed apps? Have fun because you either HAVE to use Metro, or manually browse to the Program Files folder and start making a shiat ton of shortcuts.

Also, the Task Manager has been uglyfied to the max.

Classic Shell

Try this. I'll admit that the Metro start menu is not really effective on desktop computers. A buddy of mine at the Columbia MO Hackerspace I belong to showed me Classic Shell. It's an open-source project that puts a start button with an XP-style menu in your taskbar. You can customize the hell out of it, too.

There are actually some pretty good ideas in Win 8 when you're freed up to explore them with Classic Shell. I love the new Task Manager. It tells you damned near everything about the machine.


1) cool that this exists
2) sad that this has to exist
 
2012-07-19 02:08:43 PM  

Marine1: There are actually some pretty good ideas in Win 8 when you're freed up to explore them with Classic Shell. I love the new Task Manager. It tells you damned near everything about the machine.


Does it tell you which trojans are running on your PC?
 
2012-07-19 02:09:19 PM  

burndtdan: Marine1: OriginalGamer: I've been using the Consumer Preview, and have tried HARD to be fair, but it really isn't that good. The Metro UI is retarded on a desktop or laptop, and the standard Desktop is just Win7/Vista with no start button. You want to see your installed apps? Have fun because you either HAVE to use Metro, or manually browse to the Program Files folder and start making a shiat ton of shortcuts.

Also, the Task Manager has been uglyfied to the max.

Classic Shell

Try this. I'll admit that the Metro start menu is not really effective on desktop computers. A buddy of mine at the Columbia MO Hackerspace I belong to showed me Classic Shell. It's an open-source project that puts a start button with an XP-style menu in your taskbar. You can customize the hell out of it, too.

There are actually some pretty good ideas in Win 8 when you're freed up to explore them with Classic Shell. I love the new Task Manager. It tells you damned near everything about the machine.

1) cool that this exists
2) sad that this has to exist


It is what it is. For what it's worth, it wasn't created as a response to Windows 8. It was originally meant to replace the Vista/Win7 style Start Menu with the more familiar version from XP.

It's free, does what it says it will, and eliminates the problem with the Start screen.
 
2012-07-19 02:10:13 PM  

Marine1:
There are actually some pretty good ideas in Win 8 when you're freed up to explore them with Classic Shell. I love the new Task Manager. It tells you damned near everything about the machine.


Am I the only one shaking my head that you need to use a 3rd party tool to make Win7 look like Win2k? Shouldn't it be able to do that itself? Shouldn't the user just be able to turn that the hell on if they want? And I'm not singling Microsoft out here either, GNOME. KDE, Apple... perhaps... just perhaps... I liked the way it farking looked before!
 
2012-07-19 02:10:40 PM  

nytmare: Marine1: There are actually some pretty good ideas in Win 8 when you're freed up to explore them with Classic Shell. I love the new Task Manager. It tells you damned near everything about the machine.

Does it tell you which trojans are running on your PC?


Nope. Then again, Apple doesn't either.
 
2012-07-19 02:11:39 PM  

Vaneshi: Marine1:
There are actually some pretty good ideas in Win 8 when you're freed up to explore them with Classic Shell. I love the new Task Manager. It tells you damned near everything about the machine.

Am I the only one shaking my head that you need to use a 3rd party tool to make Win7 look like Win2k? Shouldn't it be able to do that itself? Shouldn't the user just be able to turn that the hell on if they want? And I'm not singling Microsoft out here either, GNOME. KDE, Apple... perhaps... just perhaps... I liked the way it farking looked before!


You know, I used to feel that way.

Then I realized that if I wanted to interact with things that stayed the same, I probably shouldn't use computers.
 
2012-07-19 02:13:24 PM  

Marine1: nytmare: Marine1: There are actually some pretty good ideas in Win 8 when you're freed up to explore them with Classic Shell. I love the new Task Manager. It tells you damned near everything about the machine.

Does it tell you which trojans are running on your PC?

Nope. Then again, Apple doesn't either.


The equivalent of "Show processes from all users" in whatevers task manager should show them I'd of thought? I mean most of this stuff seems to naff off towards the super user account.
 
2012-07-19 02:15:43 PM  

Vaneshi: Marine1: nytmare: Marine1: There are actually some pretty good ideas in Win 8 when you're freed up to explore them with Classic Shell. I love the new Task Manager. It tells you damned near everything about the machine.

Does it tell you which trojans are running on your PC?

Nope. Then again, Apple doesn't either.

The equivalent of "Show processes from all users" in whatevers task manager should show them I'd of thought? I mean most of this stuff seems to naff off towards the super user account.


Well, yeah, but he's getting on the whole "derp, Windows = virus" thing. Or at least I think that's what he was doing.
 
2012-07-19 02:15:55 PM  

Marine1: Vaneshi: Marine1:
There are actually some pretty good ideas in Win 8 when you're freed up to explore them with Classic Shell. I love the new Task Manager. It tells you damned near everything about the machine.

Am I the only one shaking my head that you need to use a 3rd party tool to make Win7 look like Win2k? Shouldn't it be able to do that itself? Shouldn't the user just be able to turn that the hell on if they want? And I'm not singling Microsoft out here either, GNOME. KDE, Apple... perhaps... just perhaps... I liked the way it farking looked before!

You know, I used to feel that way.

Then I realized that if I wanted to interact with things that stayed the same, I probably shouldn't use computers.


You should be able to interact with things that look the same, even if there are new features. People generally like consistency.
 
2012-07-19 02:16:31 PM  
Thanks for the tip on ClassicShell, I'd forgotten about it. Does make Windows 8 kinda redundant though if all everyone will do is roll it back to look and function like Windows 7.

Though I did once use a bunch of 3rd party apps, custom icons, and resource editors to make Windows 7 on my crappy netbook look just like Windows 95 for shiats and giggles.

The result (yes, that IS Windows 7!): sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2012-07-19 02:17:36 PM  

OriginalGamer: Thanks for the tip on ClassicShell, I'd forgotten about it. Does make Windows 8 kinda redundant though if all everyone will do is roll it back to look and function like Windows 7.

Though I did once use a bunch of 3rd party apps, custom icons, and resource editors to make Windows 7 on my crappy netbook look just like Windows 95 for shiats and giggles.

The result (yes, that IS Windows 7!): [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x498]


Did you replicate the 49 day error? :P
 
2012-07-19 02:18:06 PM  

OriginalGamer: Thanks for the tip on ClassicShell, I'd forgotten about it. Does make Windows 8 kinda redundant though if all everyone will do is roll it back to look and function like Windows 7.

Though I did once use a bunch of 3rd party apps, custom icons, and resource editors to make Windows 7 on my crappy netbook look just like Windows 95 for shiats and giggles.

The result (yes, that IS Windows 7!): [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x498]


You need to throw an AOL icon on the desktop.
 
2012-07-19 02:23:28 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: LasersHurt: It's going to be fine. Relax.

While Metro on the desktop is probably going to flop at first, it's going to boom on tablets and whatnot.

Doubtful. MS waited far too long to get into the tablet business. As far as whatnot; the Windows phone is not doing that well in the market.


I sincerely doubt the timing is relevant. Imagine if you could have a home computer, tablet, and phone, all fully integrated? Ecosystems sell well, and the integration they're creating is actually even tighter than what exists between iOS and MacOS.

Couple that with very good reviews of Win8 on tablets and Windows Phone 8, and I think it'll happen.

In my company, they were staunchly anti Windows Phone (we make VoIP Apps). As soon as the Win8 / WP8 announcements came out, suddenly their tune changed. It's not going to be some "come-from-nowhere knockout kid," but I'm confident that the products will do well, and the ecosystem will slowly but surely grow market share.
 
2012-07-19 02:24:16 PM  

RichieLaw: chechcal: LasersHurt: It's going to be fine. Relax.

While Metro on the desktop is probably going to flop at first, it's going to boom on tablets and whatnot. At the same time, businesses will stick with Windows 7 for a while. Result? Not that big of a problem for MS, and lots of learning time.

The law firm I work at (about 5,000 people worldwide) is just now wrapping up the Win 7 rollout, which means we'll be on this platform for at least 5 years.

My company is still on XP, with a Win 7 migration likely in the next couple of years. So I doubt I'll ever see Win8.


We're in the same boat. Still using XP, but supposedly we're going to jump on the latest Office, SQL, and Windows7 late this year. New computers across the board. New server hardware (yay!)
 
2012-07-19 02:24:52 PM  

Marine1: OriginalGamer: Thanks for the tip on ClassicShell, I'd forgotten about it. Does make Windows 8 kinda redundant though if all everyone will do is roll it back to look and function like Windows 7.

Though I did once use a bunch of 3rd party apps, custom icons, and resource editors to make Windows 7 on my crappy netbook look just like Windows 95 for shiats and giggles.

The result (yes, that IS Windows 7!): [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x498]

Did you replicate the 49 day error? :P


I still to this day don't know how that error was discovered, as it was rare for a Win95 box to have a 49 hour uptime, much less 49 days.
 
2012-07-19 02:34:07 PM  

Marine1: I love the new Task Manager. It tells you damned near everything about the machine.


You never installed Process Explorer? And you work with computers?
 
2012-07-19 03:10:47 PM  

madgonad: Marine1: I love the new Task Manager. It tells you damned near everything about the machine.

You never installed Process Explorer? And you work with computers?


Honestly, never heard of it. Tell me more.
 
2012-07-19 03:16:19 PM  

downstairs: likefunbutnot: Windows 8 will be a modest win for Microsoft. It will be adopted by home users, about like Vista was. People probably won't really like it, but they'll probably love the new hardware bundled with it (i.e. SSDs and four or more CPU cores), and they'll be fine with it, weird and sucky UI or not.

Remember, most people don't build their own machines. They buy pre-built machines. And Microsoft insists on their latest OS being on said machines. Vista would have tanked if the computer world was truly a la carte for the common, non-savvy user.

Now, I don't have the numbers... I'm sure less people upgraded to vista from XP as compared to those who went from 95 to XP. But by no means did it tank.

Also, most users don't even *know* what OS they're using. I'm fixing a friend's laptop. I asked him if it was XP, Vista, or Win 7. His response: "No idea."

Anyway, I'm giving him Win 7 because *I* like it and I have a ton of copies, and I think he'll like it. But if I gave him XP... he wouldn't know or care... he'd just adapt to whatever he's running.


Wanna kick a random internet stranger down a copy?

/Pretty please?
//Shameless I know.
 
2012-07-19 03:18:42 PM  

Marine1: madgonad: Marine1: I love the new Task Manager. It tells you damned near everything about the machine.

You never installed Process Explorer? And you work with computers?

Honestly, never heard of it. Tell me more.



Turn in your IT card.
 
2012-07-19 03:31:51 PM  

rdkerns: Marine1: madgonad: Marine1: I love the new Task Manager. It tells you damned near everything about the machine.

You never installed Process Explorer? And you work with computers?

Honestly, never heard of it. Tell me more.


Turn in your IT card.


Hey man, I'm an IT student. Still learning about stuff.

Actually, reading about this on TechNet, it rings a bell. A very, very faint one.
 
2012-07-19 03:34:11 PM  

rdkerns: Marine1: madgonad: Marine1: I love the new Task Manager. It tells you damned near everything about the machine.

You never installed Process Explorer? And you work with computers?

Honestly, never heard of it. Tell me more.


Turn in your IT card.


To be fair, I don't use it at home, and I didn't have to download it at work until I suspected a memory leak in one of my programs. So, I've gone over 5 years at this job as a programmer without requiring the use of process explorer, windbg, and application verifier. I wouldn't expect that most people, even power users, really would NEED process explorer, considering it doesn't do much more than Task Manager, unless you need to know what handles are open or what DLL files the program has loaded.
 
2012-07-19 03:35:05 PM  
Subby obviously has not been exposed to the BI side of Microsoft recently.
They got some damn good stuff coming from that dev team.


Albeit its mostly been done before, but less user friendly and cross platformy
 
2012-07-19 03:36:58 PM  

OriginalGamer: Thanks for the tip on ClassicShell, I'd forgotten about it. Does make Windows 8 kinda redundant though if all everyone will do is roll it back to look and function like Windows 7.

Though I did once use a bunch of 3rd party apps, custom icons, and resource editors to make Windows 7 on my crappy netbook look just like Windows 95 for shiats and giggles.

The result (yes, that IS Windows 7!): [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x498]


For some reason, that's totally awesome.
 
2012-07-19 03:50:19 PM  
Coming here just to say, if ME and Vista couldn't tank Microsoft, then nothing will.

Unless they release a service pack for all previous editions to unistall them, ain't not gonna happen.
 
2012-07-19 03:52:17 PM  

AppleOptionEsc: Coming here just to say, if ME and Vista couldn't tank Microsoft, then nothing will.


This.

ME was pure hot garbage. Microsoft survived that...they are damn near invincible now.

"What? Everyone hates Windows 8? Oh...uh...did we mention Halo 4 is coming out in November?"
 
2012-07-19 04:06:44 PM  

downstairs: OriginalGamer: Thanks for the tip on ClassicShell, I'd forgotten about it. Does make Windows 8 kinda redundant though if all everyone will do is roll it back to look and function like Windows 7.

Though I did once use a bunch of 3rd party apps, custom icons, and resource editors to make Windows 7 on my crappy netbook look just like Windows 95 for shiats and giggles.

The result (yes, that IS Windows 7!): [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x498]

For some reason, that's totally awesome.


Thanks! Took me days, and everyone I showed it to was all like "but, WHY?" "Because it's cool, and I can! (Also, a good anti-theft device)".
 
2012-07-19 04:30:33 PM  

OriginalGamer: Thanks for the tip on ClassicShell, I'd forgotten about it. Does make Windows 8 kinda redundant though if all everyone will do is roll it back to look and function like Windows 7.

Though I did once use a bunch of 3rd party apps, custom icons, and resource editors to make Windows 7 on my crappy netbook look just like Windows 95 for shiats and giggles.

The result (yes, that IS Windows 7!): [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x498]



Reminds me, I had the 95 and used a binary editor for a nice hack in the good old days: in all the files in the Windows directory and its subdirectories, search-and-replace "indows" to "indoze". It worked, and I had the raddest Win in about a 10 miles radius.
 
2012-07-19 04:31:13 PM  
Well, at least Windows 8 will give our grandparents the simplified OS they've always wanted.
 
2012-07-19 04:37:21 PM  
I've been using win8 since the September BUILD conference build. It's a solid OS. I just don't understand why people are biatching about Metro.

"But you have to click and drag through the start screen to get to your programs!". Nope.

Start button-> start typing the name of the program-> click on it.

Pretty much exactly how the start menu works now, except without the ridiculous hierarchy that no one uses anymore anyway.

I'm finding that every single person who says it's horrible has never actually used it and is simply parroting crap that Slashdot lied about. Stop it, they're retards over there.

/posted from Windows 8
 
2012-07-19 04:44:22 PM  
If you really think W8 is gonna crash and burn, wouldn't it be a good time to exercise some call options on MS stock?
 
2012-07-19 04:47:07 PM  

Electromax: If you really think W8 is gonna crash and burn, wouldn't it be a good time to exercise some call options on MS stock?


They just ate a eh... $6 billion write-off for some failed acquisition from 2007 and had a record quarter trashed by it... $426 million operating loss.

Aaaaaaand they're still up in trading.
 
2012-07-19 04:53:09 PM  

OriginalGamer: Thanks for the tip on ClassicShell, I'd forgotten about it. Does make Windows 8 kinda redundant though if all everyone will do is roll it back to look and function like Windows 7.

Though I did once use a bunch of 3rd party apps, custom icons, and resource editors to make Windows 7 on my crappy netbook look just like Windows 95 for shiats and giggles.

The result (yes, that IS Windows 7!): [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x498]


If all you're worried about is the cosmetic aspects, you can set up basically any Windows OS to look like 95.

The stuff that irritates most of us is changes to the file structure and the way certain settings are accessed, I think. Having to go through the weird "computer utility" thing to access msconfig functions and so on. Stuff that people just checking their e-mail don't generally care about, but that people that actually own a computer to do computer stuff usually want to be able to fiddle with. That and general resource over-usage/bloat tends to piss people off, too.
 
2012-07-19 05:11:00 PM  

MithrandirBooga: I've been using win8 since the September BUILD conference build. It's a solid OS. I just don't understand why people are biatching about Metro.

"But you have to click and drag through the start screen to get to your programs!". Nope.

Start button-> start typing the name of the program-> click on it.

Pretty much exactly how the start menu works now, except without the ridiculous hierarchy that no one uses anymore anyway.


Please explain how I access "Computer Management" through the Metro interface. Curiously, it does not appear when I type the words "Computer management" at the interface, yet it does appear when doing the same in the Start menu of Windows 7.
 
2012-07-19 05:28:21 PM  
I always try to make everything look as much like Windows 98 as possible.

This is still fairly doable in Windows 7 without any custom applications/skins/whatever.

Is it doable in Windows 8? Because I don't like custom applications/skins/whatever.
 
2012-07-19 05:28:39 PM  
As far as I can tell, Windows 8 is exactly the same as Windows 7, but with a bunch of stupid shiat you don't want clogging up the user interface that you have to figure out how to turn off.

Sounds like a winner!
 
2012-07-19 05:36:37 PM  
Hey guys, do

Dimensio: MithrandirBooga: I've been using win8 since the September BUILD conference build. It's a solid OS. I just don't understand why people are biatching about Metro.

"But you have to click and drag through the start screen to get to your programs!". Nope.

Start button-> start typing the name of the program-> click on it.

Pretty much exactly how the start menu works now, except without the ridiculous hierarchy that no one uses anymore anyway.

Please explain how I access "Computer Management" through the Metro interface. Curiously, it does not appear when I type the words "Computer management" at the interface, yet it does appear when doing the same in the Start menu of Windows 7.


Do you really need to access that so much that not having a button at a moment's notice is a chore?
 
2012-07-19 05:38:41 PM  

Dimensio: MithrandirBooga: I've been using win8 since the September BUILD conference build. It's a solid OS. I just don't understand why people are biatching about Metro.

"But you have to click and drag through the start screen to get to your programs!". Nope.

Start button-> start typing the name of the program-> click on it.

Pretty much exactly how the start menu works now, except without the ridiculous hierarchy that no one uses anymore anyway.

Please explain how I access "Computer Management" through the Metro interface. Curiously, it does not appear when I type the words "Computer management" at the interface, yet it does appear when doing the same in the Start menu of Windows 7.


Bring up the start... er... button... by going to the bottom left corner. Right click it. Find it in the menu.

That might have what you're looking for.
 
2012-07-19 05:40:49 PM  

Dimensio:
Please explain how I access "Computer Management" through the Metro interface. Curiously, it does not appear when I type the words "Computer management" at the interface, yet it does appear when doing the same in the Start menu of Windows 7.


compmgmt.msc?

/Haven't played around with Windows 8 in a while.
 
2012-07-19 05:47:05 PM  

LasersHurt: Hey guys, do Dimensio: MithrandirBooga: I've been using win8 since the September BUILD conference build. It's a solid OS. I just don't understand why people are biatching about Metro.

"But you have to click and drag through the start screen to get to your programs!". Nope.

Start button-> start typing the name of the program-> click on it.

Pretty much exactly how the start menu works now, except without the ridiculous hierarchy that no one uses anymore anyway.

Please explain how I access "Computer Management" through the Metro interface. Curiously, it does not appear when I type the words "Computer management" at the interface, yet it does appear when doing the same in the Start menu of Windows 7.

Do you really need to access that so much that not having a button at a moment's notice is a chore?


Plus if you use it so much, just pin it to the god damned start menu and/or taskbar.

/using Windows8 at home
//Love my 30 second or so boot up time, not on SSD
 
2012-07-19 05:54:28 PM  
I think Windows 8 will actually be a raging success, and here's why:

For once in the company's recent history, they are actually ahead of a curve on a paradigm shift in computer culture. Just like PDA's and cell phones converged to make smartphones a couple of years ago, we're going to see the convergence of tablets and laptops into a singular device that will have the functionality of a full-blown PC instead of the "large smartphone" tablets we have now.

Windows 8 is finally going to integrate every little thing that Microsoft has been working on for the past 10 years or so. We're finally going to see the Xbox, Xbox Live, Windows Phone, Windows Live, SkyDrive, and the Windows OS actually start working together in one of those fancy things they call an "ecosystem."

/so you can dig this post up in about a year to prove me wrong.
 
2012-07-19 06:11:45 PM  

traylor: Reminds me, I had the 95 and used a binary editor for a nice hack in the good old days: in all the files in the Windows directory and its subdirectories, search-and-replace "indows" to "indoze". It worked, and I had the raddest Win in about a 10 miles radius.


I remember hacking around and doing stuff like that... but I'm thinking your search-and-replace there would kill your machine... because "windows" is the name of the main system directory. So any references to any of the files in "c:\windows\..." would break.
 
2012-07-19 06:16:18 PM  

elchip: I always try to make everything look as much like Windows 98 as possible.

This is still fairly doable in Windows 7 without any custom applications/skins/whatever.

Is it doable in Windows 8? Because I don't like custom applications/skins/whatever.


I'm thinking so... business users still use Windows, and most of them don't want a silly social/tiled/metro or whatever interface.

And businesses are not going to want to train Sally in Accounting a completely new interface.
 
2012-07-19 06:37:41 PM  
I'm perhaps two years from needing a new computer, but I've already bought a copy of Win7 (found a good discount) that I'll be saving for that far-off build.

I used the Windows 8 Consumer Preview for several weeks. I tried it. And it will be a cold day in hell before Metro ever again touches a computer I own.
 
2012-07-19 06:54:05 PM  

LasersHurt: Hey guys, do Dimensio: MithrandirBooga: I've been using win8 since the September BUILD conference build. It's a solid OS. I just don't understand why people are biatching about Metro.

"But you have to click and drag through the start screen to get to your programs!". Nope.

Start button-> start typing the name of the program-> click on it.

Pretty much exactly how the start menu works now, except without the ridiculous hierarchy that no one uses anymore anyway.

Please explain how I access "Computer Management" through the Metro interface. Curiously, it does not appear when I type the words "Computer management" at the interface, yet it does appear when doing the same in the Start menu of Windows 7.

Do you really need to access that so much that not having a button at a moment's notice is a chore?


As a system administrator, yes.
 
2012-07-19 06:56:02 PM  

Desquamation: Dimensio:
Please explain how I access "Computer Management" through the Metro interface. Curiously, it does not appear when I type the words "Computer management" at the interface, yet it does appear when doing the same in the Start menu of Windows 7.

compmgmt.msc?

/Haven't played around with Windows 8 in a while.


I can utilize the direct command when I have a command prompt running with Administrator credentials open. However, MithranderBooga claimed that the Windows 8 interface functioned in a fashion "Pretty much exactly how the start menu works now, except without the ridiculous hierarchy that no one uses anymore anyway." thus I should be able to access Computer Management through searching in Metro.
 
2012-07-19 07:13:20 PM  

LasersHurt: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: LasersHurt: It's going to be fine. Relax.

While Metro on the desktop is probably going to flop at first, it's going to boom on tablets and whatnot.

Doubtful. MS waited far too long to get into the tablet business. As far as whatnot; the Windows phone is not doing that well in the market.

I sincerely doubt the timing is relevant. Imagine if you could have a home computer, tablet, and phone, all fully integrated? Ecosystems sell well, and the integration they're creating is actually even tighter than what exists between iOS and MacOS.

Couple that with very good reviews of Win8 on tablets and Windows Phone 8, and I think it'll happen.

In my company, they were staunchly anti Windows Phone (we make VoIP Apps). As soon as the Win8 / WP8 announcements came out, suddenly their tune changed. It's not going to be some "come-from-nowhere knockout kid," but I'm confident that the products will do well, and the ecosystem will slowly but surely grow market share.


I'd love to know how. For years it's been put a desktop OS on a tablet and that's been rejected. So now the game plan is put a tablet OS on a desktop.
 
2012-07-19 07:31:58 PM  

downstairs: traylor: Reminds me, I had the 95 and used a binary editor for a nice hack in the good old days: in all the files in the Windows directory and its subdirectories, search-and-replace "indows" to "indoze". It worked, and I had the raddest Win in about a 10 miles radius.

I remember hacking around and doing stuff like that... but I'm thinking your search-and-replace there would kill your machine... because "windows" is the name of the main system directory. So any references to any of the files in "c:\windows\..." would break.


One thing is sure, it worked. Maybe I didn't use the default directory name when installing, or maybe the system directory string was encoded in the registry in Unicode, and so left intact by my hack?
 
2012-07-19 07:36:52 PM  

CmndrFish: I think Windows 8 will actually be a raging success, and here's why:

For once in the company's recent history, they are actually ahead of a curve on a paradigm shift in computer culture. Just like PDA's and cell phones converged to make smartphones a couple of years ago, we're going to see the convergence of tablets and laptops into a singular device Micrthat will have the functionality of a full-blown PC instead of the "large smartphone" tablets we have now.

Windows 8 is finally going to integrate every little thing that Microsoft has been working on for the past 10 years or so. We're finally going to see the Xbox, Xbox Live, Windows Phone, Windows Live, SkyDrive, and the Windows OS actually start working together in one of those fancy things they call an "ecosystem."

/so you can dig this post up in about a year to prove me wrong.


Revolutionary products do not do well on the market. Evolutionary products are the ones that make it big.

Windows 8 is not an evolution from Windows 7. Windows 8 throws out practically everything for the past 20 years in Windows. Consumers dont like that kind of sudden change.

We all know that OS X and iOS will eventually merge. Apple is doing the smart thing; they are easily shooing their base into it. OS X Mountain Lion has many features that were once only part of iOS (notification center, gamecenter, iMessages). Plus, Apple understands the clear difference between a Desktop OS and a mobile OS.

We may be in a post-PC world, but PC's still are pretty much everywhere, and they shall be so for many years to come. Mobile OS's on a desktop computer just do not work.
 
2012-07-19 07:43:51 PM  
I like that Windows continues to have a single point of failure, the registry. Nothing like a PC when the registry gets hosed.
 
2012-07-19 08:12:03 PM  
My best short term investment ever was right after Vista released. Their stock took a huge hit and I picked up some cheap. It rebounded and then some in no time. Made about 20% in a couple of weeks.

/Very much a novice investor
//CSB
 
2012-07-19 09:27:33 PM  

downstairs: elchip: I always try to make everything look as much like Windows 98 as possible.

This is still fairly doable in Windows 7 without any custom applications/skins/whatever.

Is it doable in Windows 8? Because I don't like custom applications/skins/whatever.

I'm thinking so... business users still use Windows, and most of them don't want a silly social/tiled/metro or whatever interface.

And businesses are not going to want to train Sally in Accounting a completely new interface.


The business point is somewhat moot. A lot of businesses bought Windows 7 licenses or are just now getting around to upgrade plans with Windows 7. It'll be the next XP. I'll end up hating that Windows wallpaper as much as I do the damned green hill.

If Microsoft really wanted to hit a good stride, they'd release operating systems less often but offer major upgrades downloadable in-between.That way, you wouldn't have systems staying on one version of Windows for 10+ years.

/"It does everything I want it to"
//the idiotic horse owner said that about his horse when presented with a Model T.
 
2012-07-20 03:57:52 AM  

OriginalGamer: Thanks for the tip on ClassicShell, I'd forgotten about it. Does make Windows 8 kinda redundant though if all everyone will do is roll it back to look and function like Windows 7.

Though I did once use a bunch of 3rd party apps, custom icons, and resource editors to make Windows 7 on my crappy netbook look just like Windows 95 for shiats and giggles.

The result (yes, that IS Windows 7!): [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x498]


Wow, that took me back. You just need to change one thing about that desktop background:

img694.imageshack.us

You weren't rocking a Win95 system if you didn't have pinball.
 
2012-07-20 05:04:26 AM  

Marine1: It's obvious from Microsoft's positive cash flow, high earnings, massive savings, recent announcements, and large number of acquisitions here of late that they are FAILING. It's just a dinosaur company that has no future, and those 90,000 people who work for that component of the DJIA are doomed to joblessness because of how poorly the company is doing. I


you did hear that MS posted their first quarterly loss this quarter, right? their first loss ever. it probably won't be the last.
 
2012-07-20 08:32:30 AM  

Dimensio: LasersHurt: Hey guys, do Dimensio: MithrandirBooga: I've been using win8 since the September BUILD conference build. It's a solid OS. I just don't understand why people are biatching about Metro.

"But you have to click and drag through the start screen to get to your programs!". Nope.

Start button-> start typing the name of the program-> click on it.

Pretty much exactly how the start menu works now, except without the ridiculous hierarchy that no one uses anymore anyway.

Please explain how I access "Computer Management" through the Metro interface. Curiously, it does not appear when I type the words "Computer management" at the interface, yet it does appear when doing the same in the Start menu of Windows 7.

Do you really need to access that so much that not having a button at a moment's notice is a chore?

As a system administrator, yes.


I was a system admin for a while too, and... Well, i guess it depends on your situation and all. But "as a system admin" I think you can either just not use Win 8, or maybe figure out what you DO type to get it (literally everything can be typed, I'm sure of this).
 
2012-07-20 10:41:56 AM  
Linux has essentially caught up to Windows at this point. I find the newer Ubuntu releases more user-friendly and practical than win7. And the one great holdout that's kept a Windows machine on my desk, gaming, is heading in a cross-platform or browser-based direction due to mobile apps becoming the huge moneymaker, and Apple gaining more market share.

At this point, I have real doubts that I'll ever need a Microsoft OS after 7.
 
2012-07-20 01:44:40 PM  

Dimensio: Desquamation: Dimensio:
Please explain how I access "Computer Management" through the Metro interface. Curiously, it does not appear when I type the words "Computer management" at the interface, yet it does appear when doing the same in the Start menu of Windows 7.

compmgmt.msc?

/Haven't played around with Windows 8 in a while.

I can utilize the direct command when I have a command prompt running with Administrator credentials open. However, MithranderBooga claimed that the Windows 8 interface functioned in a fashion "Pretty much exactly how the start menu works now, except without the ridiculous hierarchy that no one uses anymore anyway." thus I should be able to access Computer Management through searching in Metro.


Okay, I know this is a day late and you'll probably not read this but not being able to remember exactly how I got to computer management meant I had to go home and rebuild the Win8 VM just to get my brain to shut up.

While not exactly the same process as Win7 it's still just as easy to get to.

Pressing the windows key - start typing "computer", I got two letters in before it popped up in the left pane. Right click on it and at the bottom a bar with several options appears. Manage is the second one.

Also, if you choose to include computer on your desktop you can right click on that and select manage as well.

/In no way am I defending Metro... I do not like it and would really prefer they include the damn start menu.
//Just saying it's not the end of the world a lot of folks seem to be making it out to be.
 
2012-07-20 05:47:48 PM  

Desquamation: Dimensio: Desquamation: Dimensio:
Please explain how I access "Computer Management" through the Metro interface. Curiously, it does not appear when I type the words "Computer management" at the interface, yet it does appear when doing the same in the Start menu of Windows 7.

compmgmt.msc?

/Haven't played around with Windows 8 in a while.

I can utilize the direct command when I have a command prompt running with Administrator credentials open. However, MithranderBooga claimed that the Windows 8 interface functioned in a fashion "Pretty much exactly how the start menu works now, except without the ridiculous hierarchy that no one uses anymore anyway." thus I should be able to access Computer Management through searching in Metro.

Okay, I know this is a day late and you'll probably not read this but not being able to remember exactly how I got to computer management meant I had to go home and rebuild the Win8 VM just to get my brain to shut up.

While not exactly the same process as Win7 it's still just as easy to get to.

Pressing the windows key - start typing "computer", I got two letters in before it popped up in the left pane. Right click on it and at the bottom a bar with several options appears. Manage is the second one.

Also, if you choose to include computer on your desktop you can right click on that and select manage as well.

/In no way am I defending Metro... I do not like it and would really prefer they include the damn start menu.
//Just saying it's not the end of the world a lot of folks seem to be making it out to be.


Actually, its just like how he wants it and it can be accessed using Metro but it adds all the admin tools to your start screen.

Go into Metro, right click select settings - select tiles, click yes to show admin tools. (by default it has the admin tile off)
this will allow you to use it the same way you did before but it adds all the admin tools to the menu (which you could remove all of them except computer management)
 
2012-07-21 12:23:00 AM  
everyone knows you upgrade with every other Windows release. so as long as they make a Windows 9, they'll be fine.
 
2012-07-21 08:24:05 PM  

baorao: everyone knows you upgrade with every other Windows release. so as long as they make a Windows 9, they'll be fine.


Ah, obviously following the same rule set as the original Star Trek movies then.
 
2012-07-21 08:46:45 PM  

OriginalGamer: baorao: everyone knows you upgrade with every other Windows release. so as long as they make a Windows 9, they'll be fine.

Ah, obviously following the same rule set as the original Star Trek movies then.


NT service packs also followed the tradition.
 
2012-07-22 01:13:15 PM  

baorao: everyone knows you upgrade with every other Windows release. so as long as they make a Windows 9, they'll be fine.


And you know what THAT means? Systemic fundamental and continuing errors by leadership.
 
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