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		October 26th, 2012: The day you'll have to ask yourself, "I've got $20. Do I order a pizza or buy 2,000 shares of Microsoft stock?" (computerworld.com)		81
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ZAZ		2012-07-19 11:01:42 AM

I bought like 1,000 shares of Polaroid stock. It was possible a miracle could occur and the share price could rise above a penny or whatever it was worth at the time.

It was the best stock market investment I ever made. I lost less than $200.

Smeggy Smurf		2012-07-19 12:59:56 PM

No way, I'm saving that $20 for when Pets.com makes their heroic comeback

NotARocketScientist		2012-07-19 01:05:31 PM

Oh, Come on!
It will take at least till the 29th to fall that far!

/Released at closing time on a Friday, like other bad news.

LasersHurt		2012-07-19 01:09:47 PM

It's going to be fine. Relax.

While Metro on the desktop is probably going to flop at first, it's going to boom on tablets and whatnot. At the same time, businesses will stick with Windows 7 for a while. Result? Not that big of a problem for MS, and lots of learning time.

1000 Ways to Dye		2012-07-19 01:12:02 PM

So, Microsoft's stock will tank 10x as hard when Windows 8 is released, versus Windows Vista?

_{//Microsoft's stock went up with the release of Vista}

IanMoone		2012-07-19 01:16:34 PM

1000 Ways to Dye: So, Microsoft's stock will tank 10x as hard when Windows 8 is released, versus Windows Vista?

//Microsoft's stock went up with the release of Vista

I think they'll take a hit on this one, but it will be once the returns start coming in at retailers, so I'll give them a few months before the impact hits.

Rent Party		2012-07-19 01:19:23 PM

Retards have been predicting the doom of Microsoft after every release of everything they've ever built since Windows 95. Three years from now, you'll all be using Windows 8 and predicting their doom as they ramp up for Windows Eleventy.

/ Yes, subby, I mean you.

SacriliciousBeerSwiller		2012-07-19 01:22:10 PM

Meh. Of the gargantuan-sized software/hardware companies, outside of Google, Microsoft is currently the biggest innovator. You'll get over it.

/but Apple patented the wedge and the rectangle, so there's that

likefunbutnot		2012-07-19 01:24:40 PM

Windows 8 will be a modest win for Microsoft. It will be adopted by home users, about like Vista was. People probably won't really like it, but they'll probably love the new hardware bundled with it (i.e. SSDs and four or more CPU cores), and they'll be fine with it, weird and sucky UI or not.

wildcardjack		2012-07-19 01:28:00 PM

I wish I could have put $1000 into M$ in 1986. The dividends would work out to about $1.6million a year today.

Splits made shares 256 times what they were, sold for 10 cents in 1986 and now dividends are about 16 cents per quarter.

Yes, MSFT is the type of stock investors dream of when they buy Facebook at $38 when it should be about $5.

downstairs		2012-07-19 01:30:47 PM

likefunbutnot: Windows 8 will be a modest win for Microsoft. It will be adopted by home users, about like Vista was. People probably won't really like it, but they'll probably love the new hardware bundled with it (i.e. SSDs and four or more CPU cores), and they'll be fine with it, weird and sucky UI or not.

Remember, most people don't build their own machines. They buy pre-built machines. And Microsoft insists on their latest OS being on said machines. Vista would have tanked if the computer world was truly a la carte for the common, non-savvy user.

Now, I don't have the numbers... I'm sure less people upgraded to vista from XP as compared to those who went from 95 to XP. But by no means did it tank.

Also, most users don't even *know* what OS they're using. I'm fixing a friend's laptop. I asked him if it was XP, Vista, or Win 7. His response: "No idea."

Anyway, I'm giving him Win 7 because *I* like it and I have a ton of copies, and I think he'll like it. But if I gave him XP... he wouldn't know or care... he'd just adapt to whatever he's running.

chechcal		2012-07-19 01:33:16 PM

OriginalGamer		2012-07-19 01:43:27 PM

I've been using the Consumer Preview, and have tried HARD to be fair, but it really isn't that good. The Metro UI is retarded on a desktop or laptop, and the standard Desktop is just Win7/Vista with no start button. You want to see your installed apps? Have fun because you either HAVE to use Metro, or manually browse to the Program Files folder and start making a shiat ton of shortcuts.

Also, the Task Manager has been uglyfied to the max.

RichieLaw		2012-07-19 01:46:33 PM

chechcal: LasersHurt: It's going to be fine. Relax.

While Metro on the desktop is probably going to flop at first, it's going to boom on tablets and whatnot. At the same time, businesses will stick with Windows 7 for a while. Result? Not that big of a problem for MS, and lots of learning time.

The law firm I work at (about 5,000 people worldwide) is just now wrapping up the Win 7 rollout, which means we'll be on this platform for at least 5 years.

My company is still on XP, with a Win 7 migration likely in the next couple of years. So I doubt I'll ever see Win8.

Marine1		2012-07-19 01:50:29 PM

LasersHurt: It's going to be fine. Relax.

While Metro on the desktop is probably going to flop at first, it's going to boom on tablets and whatnot. At the same time, businesses will stick with Windows 7 for a while. Result? Not that big of a problem for MS, and lots of learning time.

Stop with your logic.

It's obvious from Microsoft's positive cash flow, high earnings, massive savings, recent announcements, and large number of acquisitions here of late that they are FAILING. It's just a dinosaur company that has no future, and those 90,000 people who work for that component of the DJIA are doomed to joblessness because of how poorly the company is doing. I mean, I read it in that paragon of tech news that I always look to when I need info on the IT industry, Vanity Fair. I even read it on my iPad.

/sarcasm off

Marine1		2012-07-19 01:56:17 PM

OriginalGamer: I've been using the Consumer Preview, and have tried HARD to be fair, but it really isn't that good. The Metro UI is retarded on a desktop or laptop, and the standard Desktop is just Win7/Vista with no start button. You want to see your installed apps? Have fun because you either HAVE to use Metro, or manually browse to the Program Files folder and start making a shiat ton of shortcuts.

Also, the Task Manager has been uglyfied to the max.

Classic Shell

Try this. I'll admit that the Metro start menu is not really effective on desktop computers. A buddy of mine at the Columbia MO Hackerspace I belong to showed me Classic Shell. It's an open-source project that puts a start button with an XP-style menu in your taskbar. You can customize the hell out of it, too.

There are actually some pretty good ideas in Win 8 when you're freed up to explore them with Classic Shell. I love the new Task Manager. It tells you damned near everything about the machine.

Abe Vigoda's Ghost		2012-07-19 01:56:55 PM

LasersHurt: It's going to be fine. Relax.

While Metro on the desktop is probably going to flop at first, it's going to boom on tablets and whatnot.

Doubtful. MS waited far too long to get into the tablet business. As far as whatnot; the Windows phone is not doing that well in the market.

Marine1		2012-07-19 02:00:15 PM

cman		2012-07-19 02:01:41 PM

Windows 8 is a HUGE mistake.

Desktop users like to have a desktop operating system. The mouse and keyboard is not a touch screen. They both have two different design paradigms.

Yes, I know that there is a Desktop mode in Windows 8, but you cannot disable Metro on startup and the desktop is quite weakened without the start menu. Plus, Microsoft is gonna do their best to push you to use metro no matter what. Microsoft is gonna cripple Desktop mode so badly to force change upon its customer.

Microsoft farking sucks. fark YOU BALMER

Vaneshi		2012-07-19 02:04:07 PM

1000 Ways to Dye:

//Microsoft's stock went up with the release of Vista

Stock holders care only that the worlds most dominant software company released more software. On time. On budget.

Win8 could go full Millennium raped my cat and bad touched my inner child Edition and the stock price would still go up.

burndtdan		2012-07-19 02:07:00 PM

Marine1: OriginalGamer: I've been using the Consumer Preview, and have tried HARD to be fair, but it really isn't that good. The Metro UI is retarded on a desktop or laptop, and the standard Desktop is just Win7/Vista with no start button. You want to see your installed apps? Have fun because you either HAVE to use Metro, or manually browse to the Program Files folder and start making a shiat ton of shortcuts.

Also, the Task Manager has been uglyfied to the max.

Classic Shell

Try this. I'll admit that the Metro start menu is not really effective on desktop computers. A buddy of mine at the Columbia MO Hackerspace I belong to showed me Classic Shell. It's an open-source project that puts a start button with an XP-style menu in your taskbar. You can customize the hell out of it, too.

There are actually some pretty good ideas in Win 8 when you're freed up to explore them with Classic Shell. I love the new Task Manager. It tells you damned near everything about the machine.

1) cool that this exists
2) sad that this has to exist

nytmare		2012-07-19 02:08:43 PM

Marine1		2012-07-19 02:09:19 PM

burndtdan: Marine1: OriginalGamer: I've been using the Consumer Preview, and have tried HARD to be fair, but it really isn't that good. The Metro UI is retarded on a desktop or laptop, and the standard Desktop is just Win7/Vista with no start button. You want to see your installed apps? Have fun because you either HAVE to use Metro, or manually browse to the Program Files folder and start making a shiat ton of shortcuts.

Also, the Task Manager has been uglyfied to the max.

Classic Shell

Try this. I'll admit that the Metro start menu is not really effective on desktop computers. A buddy of mine at the Columbia MO Hackerspace I belong to showed me Classic Shell. It's an open-source project that puts a start button with an XP-style menu in your taskbar. You can customize the hell out of it, too.

There are actually some pretty good ideas in Win 8 when you're freed up to explore them with Classic Shell. I love the new Task Manager. It tells you damned near everything about the machine.

1) cool that this exists
2) sad that this has to exist

It is what it is. For what it's worth, it wasn't created as a response to Windows 8. It was originally meant to replace the Vista/Win7 style Start Menu with the more familiar version from XP.

It's free, does what it says it will, and eliminates the problem with the Start screen.

Vaneshi		2012-07-19 02:10:13 PM

Marine1:
There are actually some pretty good ideas in Win 8 when you're freed up to explore them with Classic Shell. I love the new Task Manager. It tells you damned near everything about the machine.

Am I the only one shaking my head that you need to use a 3rd party tool to make Win7 look like Win2k? Shouldn't it be able to do that itself? Shouldn't the user just be able to turn that the hell on if they want? And I'm not singling Microsoft out here either, GNOME. KDE, Apple... perhaps... just perhaps... I liked the way it farking looked before!

Marine1		2012-07-19 02:10:40 PM

nytmare: Marine1: There are actually some pretty good ideas in Win 8 when you're freed up to explore them with Classic Shell. I love the new Task Manager. It tells you damned near everything about the machine.

Does it tell you which trojans are running on your PC?

Nope. Then again, Apple doesn't either.

Marine1		2012-07-19 02:11:39 PM

Vaneshi: Marine1:
There are actually some pretty good ideas in Win 8 when you're freed up to explore them with Classic Shell. I love the new Task Manager. It tells you damned near everything about the machine.

Am I the only one shaking my head that you need to use a 3rd party tool to make Win7 look like Win2k? Shouldn't it be able to do that itself? Shouldn't the user just be able to turn that the hell on if they want? And I'm not singling Microsoft out here either, GNOME. KDE, Apple... perhaps... just perhaps... I liked the way it farking looked before!

You know, I used to feel that way.

Then I realized that if I wanted to interact with things that stayed the same, I probably shouldn't use computers.

Vaneshi		2012-07-19 02:13:24 PM

Marine1: nytmare: Marine1: There are actually some pretty good ideas in Win 8 when you're freed up to explore them with Classic Shell. I love the new Task Manager. It tells you damned near everything about the machine.

Does it tell you which trojans are running on your PC?

Nope. Then again, Apple doesn't either.

The equivalent of "Show processes from all users" in whatevers task manager should show them I'd of thought? I mean most of this stuff seems to naff off towards the super user account.

Marine1		2012-07-19 02:15:43 PM

Vaneshi: Marine1: nytmare: Marine1: There are actually some pretty good ideas in Win 8 when you're freed up to explore them with Classic Shell. I love the new Task Manager. It tells you damned near everything about the machine.

Does it tell you which trojans are running on your PC?

Nope. Then again, Apple doesn't either.

The equivalent of "Show processes from all users" in whatevers task manager should show them I'd of thought? I mean most of this stuff seems to naff off towards the super user account.

Well, yeah, but he's getting on the whole "derp, Windows = virus" thing. Or at least I think that's what he was doing.

Abe Vigoda's Ghost		2012-07-19 02:15:55 PM

Marine1: Vaneshi: Marine1:
There are actually some pretty good ideas in Win 8 when you're freed up to explore them with Classic Shell. I love the new Task Manager. It tells you damned near everything about the machine.

Am I the only one shaking my head that you need to use a 3rd party tool to make Win7 look like Win2k? Shouldn't it be able to do that itself? Shouldn't the user just be able to turn that the hell on if they want? And I'm not singling Microsoft out here either, GNOME. KDE, Apple... perhaps... just perhaps... I liked the way it farking looked before!

You know, I used to feel that way.

Then I realized that if I wanted to interact with things that stayed the same, I probably shouldn't use computers.

You should be able to interact with things that look the same, even if there are new features. People generally like consistency.

OriginalGamer		2012-07-19 02:16:31 PM

Thanks for the tip on ClassicShell, I'd forgotten about it. Does make Windows 8 kinda redundant though if all everyone will do is roll it back to look and function like Windows 7.

Though I did once use a bunch of 3rd party apps, custom icons, and resource editors to make Windows 7 on my crappy netbook look just like Windows 95 for shiats and giggles.

The result (yes, that IS Windows 7!): sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net

Marine1		2012-07-19 02:17:36 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost		2012-07-19 02:18:06 PM

LasersHurt		2012-07-19 02:23:28 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: LasersHurt: It's going to be fine. Relax.

While Metro on the desktop is probably going to flop at first, it's going to boom on tablets and whatnot.

Doubtful. MS waited far too long to get into the tablet business. As far as whatnot; the Windows phone is not doing that well in the market.

I sincerely doubt the timing is relevant. Imagine if you could have a home computer, tablet, and phone, all fully integrated? Ecosystems sell well, and the integration they're creating is actually even tighter than what exists between iOS and MacOS.

Couple that with very good reviews of Win8 on tablets and Windows Phone 8, and I think it'll happen.

In my company, they were staunchly anti Windows Phone (we make VoIP Apps). As soon as the Win8 / WP8 announcements came out, suddenly their tune changed. It's not going to be some "come-from-nowhere knockout kid," but I'm confident that the products will do well, and the ecosystem will slowly but surely grow market share.

Celerian		2012-07-19 02:24:16 PM

RichieLaw: chechcal: LasersHurt: It's going to be fine. Relax.

While Metro on the desktop is probably going to flop at first, it's going to boom on tablets and whatnot. At the same time, businesses will stick with Windows 7 for a while. Result? Not that big of a problem for MS, and lots of learning time.

The law firm I work at (about 5,000 people worldwide) is just now wrapping up the Win 7 rollout, which means we'll be on this platform for at least 5 years.

My company is still on XP, with a Win 7 migration likely in the next couple of years. So I doubt I'll ever see Win8.

We're in the same boat. Still using XP, but supposedly we're going to jump on the latest Office, SQL, and Windows7 late this year. New computers across the board. New server hardware (yay!)

OriginalGamer		2012-07-19 02:24:52 PM

Marine1: OriginalGamer: Thanks for the tip on ClassicShell, I'd forgotten about it. Does make Windows 8 kinda redundant though if all everyone will do is roll it back to look and function like Windows 7.

Though I did once use a bunch of 3rd party apps, custom icons, and resource editors to make Windows 7 on my crappy netbook look just like Windows 95 for shiats and giggles.

The result (yes, that IS Windows 7!): [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x498]

Did you replicate the 49 day error? :P

I still to this day don't know how that error was discovered, as it was rare for a Win95 box to have a 49 hour uptime, much less 49 days.

madgonad		2012-07-19 02:34:07 PM

Marine1: I love the new Task Manager. It tells you damned near everything about the machine.

You never installed Process Explorer? And you work with computers?

Marine1		2012-07-19 03:10:47 PM

madgonad: Marine1: I love the new Task Manager. It tells you damned near everything about the machine.

You never installed Process Explorer? And you work with computers?

Honestly, never heard of it. Tell me more.

Eshman		2012-07-19 03:16:19 PM

downstairs: likefunbutnot: Windows 8 will be a modest win for Microsoft. It will be adopted by home users, about like Vista was. People probably won't really like it, but they'll probably love the new hardware bundled with it (i.e. SSDs and four or more CPU cores), and they'll be fine with it, weird and sucky UI or not.

Remember, most people don't build their own machines. They buy pre-built machines. And Microsoft insists on their latest OS being on said machines. Vista would have tanked if the computer world was truly a la carte for the common, non-savvy user.

Now, I don't have the numbers... I'm sure less people upgraded to vista from XP as compared to those who went from 95 to XP. But by no means did it tank.

Also, most users don't even *know* what OS they're using. I'm fixing a friend's laptop. I asked him if it was XP, Vista, or Win 7. His response: "No idea."

Anyway, I'm giving him Win 7 because *I* like it and I have a ton of copies, and I think he'll like it. But if I gave him XP... he wouldn't know or care... he'd just adapt to whatever he's running.

Wanna kick a random internet stranger down a copy?

/Pretty please?
//Shameless I know.

rdkerns		2012-07-19 03:18:42 PM

Marine1: madgonad: Marine1: I love the new Task Manager. It tells you damned near everything about the machine.

You never installed Process Explorer? And you work with computers?

Honestly, never heard of it. Tell me more.

Turn in your IT card.

Marine1		2012-07-19 03:31:51 PM

Celerian		2012-07-19 03:34:11 PM

rdkerns: Marine1: madgonad: Marine1: I love the new Task Manager. It tells you damned near everything about the machine.

You never installed Process Explorer? And you work with computers?

Honestly, never heard of it. Tell me more.

Turn in your IT card.

To be fair, I don't use it at home, and I didn't have to download it at work until I suspected a memory leak in one of my programs. So, I've gone over 5 years at this job as a programmer without requiring the use of process explorer, windbg, and application verifier. I wouldn't expect that most people, even power users, really would NEED process explorer, considering it doesn't do much more than Task Manager, unless you need to know what handles are open or what DLL files the program has loaded.

Nezorf		2012-07-19 03:35:05 PM

Subby obviously has not been exposed to the BI side of Microsoft recently.
They got some damn good stuff coming from that dev team.

Albeit its mostly been done before, but less user friendly and cross platformy

downstairs		2012-07-19 03:36:58 PM

AppleOptionEsc		2012-07-19 03:50:19 PM

Coming here just to say, if ME and Vista couldn't tank Microsoft, then nothing will.

Unless they release a service pack for all previous editions to unistall them, ain't not gonna happen.

FinFangFark		2012-07-19 03:52:17 PM

AppleOptionEsc: Coming here just to say, if ME and Vista couldn't tank Microsoft, then nothing will.

This.

ME was pure hot garbage. Microsoft survived that...they are damn near invincible now.

"What? Everyone hates Windows 8? Oh...uh...did we mention Halo 4 is coming out in November?"

OriginalGamer		2012-07-19 04:06:44 PM

downstairs: OriginalGamer: Thanks for the tip on ClassicShell, I'd forgotten about it. Does make Windows 8 kinda redundant though if all everyone will do is roll it back to look and function like Windows 7.

Though I did once use a bunch of 3rd party apps, custom icons, and resource editors to make Windows 7 on my crappy netbook look just like Windows 95 for shiats and giggles.

The result (yes, that IS Windows 7!): [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x498]

For some reason, that's totally awesome.

Thanks! Took me days, and everyone I showed it to was all like "but, WHY?" "Because it's cool, and I can! (Also, a good anti-theft device)".

traylor		2012-07-19 04:30:33 PM

OriginalGamer: Thanks for the tip on ClassicShell, I'd forgotten about it. Does make Windows 8 kinda redundant though if all everyone will do is roll it back to look and function like Windows 7.

Though I did once use a bunch of 3rd party apps, custom icons, and resource editors to make Windows 7 on my crappy netbook look just like Windows 95 for shiats and giggles.

The result (yes, that IS Windows 7!): [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x498]

Reminds me, I had the 95 and used a binary editor for a nice hack in the good old days: in all the files in the Windows directory and its subdirectories, search-and-replace "indows" to "indoze". It worked, and I had the raddest Win in about a 10 miles radius.

Gleeman		2012-07-19 04:31:13 PM

Well, at least Windows 8 will give our grandparents the simplified OS they've always wanted.

MithrandirBooga		2012-07-19 04:37:21 PM

I've been using win8 since the September BUILD conference build. It's a solid OS. I just don't understand why people are biatching about Metro.

"But you have to click and drag through the start screen to get to your programs!". Nope.

Start button-> start typing the name of the program-> click on it.

Pretty much exactly how the start menu works now, except without the ridiculous hierarchy that no one uses anymore anyway.

I'm finding that every single person who says it's horrible has never actually used it and is simply parroting crap that Slashdot lied about. Stop it, they're retards over there.

/posted from Windows 8