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(CTV News)   Canadian submarine destroys target for the first time in a military war games in Hawaii and makes history. Canadian sailors were last seen at bars, drinking Molsons and taunting the Japanese   (ctvnews.ca) divider line 125
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2012-07-19 12:18:32 AM  
I heard that was the first time since WW2 that a Canadian submarine launched a torpedo.

You may begin to mock Canada in 3...2...1..NOW!
 
2012-07-19 12:25:07 AM  

ontariolightning: I heard that was the first time since WW2 that a Canadian submarine launched a torpedo.

You may begin to mock Canada in 3...2...1..NOW!


Other than the 6 formerly stationed at West Edmonton Mall, Canada went a lot of years without having many viable subs in the fleet at all. The three most recent were purchased second hand from the Brits, and one of them had a nasty fire on board.

The fact that we successfully did this without blowing ourselves up is an accomplishment, and is cause for overreactive chest thumping, IMO.

SAIL THE NORTHWEST PASSAGE AT YOUR OWN PERIL, TRESPASSERS!!
 
2012-07-19 10:52:53 AM  
mojoimage.com


/better than Subway
 
2012-07-19 10:59:39 AM  
OK, this comment made me laugh:

We should be proud; Be proud that despite its small contingent the Canadian Forces are among the best trained in the world our personal are arguably better trained as a whole then the US Army. Although the US has better equipment, you can give monkey a state-of-the-art combat weapon but it is still a money using a state-of-the-art weapon. We should be proud that even with a small armed forces we have shown the high degree of organization, strategy and combat skills our men and woman posses. and that despite our many logistical issues we can still be a respected military force on the world stage. We should be proud that our military does not have a tarnished reputation of invading foreign nations and occupying them at the expense of our own people. And we should be proud that Canada was largely responsible for preventing the Germans from overwhelming England in WWII and fought in that war longer then the America's. We should also be proud that Canadians as a people are strong, proud, reserved but ready to jump to the challenge of defending our nation should the need arise.

excuse me, but HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

/think that was typed by a retarded "money"
 
2012-07-19 01:04:53 PM  
As someone who just ate a sub sandwich.....
 
2012-07-19 01:06:58 PM  
Obligatory.

/Canada has a warship? Like for war?
 
2012-07-19 01:07:01 PM  

unyon: ontariolightning: I heard that was the first time since WW2 that a Canadian submarine launched a torpedo.

You may begin to mock Canada in 3...2...1..NOW!

Other than the 6 formerly stationed at West Edmonton Mall, Canada went a lot of years without having many viable subs in the fleet at all. The three most recent were purchased second hand from the Brits, and one of them had a nasty fire on board.

The fact that we successfully did this without blowing ourselves up is an accomplishment, and is cause for overreactive chest thumping, IMO.

SAIL THE NORTHWEST PASSAGE AT YOUR OWN PERIL, TRESPASSERS!!


I piss on your Northwest Passage, by dumping barrel and barrels of miller lite in it! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, stop me now, Canada!
 
2012-07-19 01:10:17 PM  
CROSE ENOUGH

oh, and obligatory.
 
2012-07-19 01:10:17 PM  
In before

northpole.fi

/bad modmins & Subtard
 
2012-07-19 01:11:12 PM  
Canadaaaaa...
Canadaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Bluuuue!
Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuue!
Close enough!
Cwose enuuuffff!
 
2012-07-19 01:12:00 PM  
Canadian submarine? Like a boat with a hole drilled in the bottom? Oh wait, thought this was the Polish thread.
 
2012-07-19 01:12:03 PM  
what do you do as an Admiral in the Canadian Navy?
 
2012-07-19 01:12:46 PM  
So, uhh, what's the big deal? They hit an unmoving and unmanned target? Yay?
 
2012-07-19 01:14:18 PM  
Let's see, Justin Bieber, Nickleback, Celine Dion..... Canada can torpedo shiat all day long but they will never have credibility after producing the likes of those.
 
2012-07-19 01:14:31 PM  

ontariolightning: I heard that was the first time since WW2 that a Canadian submarine launched a torpedo.

You may begin to mock Canada in 3...2...1..NOW!


At a target vessel...first time in about 15 years. They fire them on ranges all the time.
 
2012-07-19 01:16:45 PM  

lucksi: So, uhh, what's the big deal? They hit an unmoving and unmanned target? Yay?


The "historic moment" is that they took one of 4 second hand submarines from the British that would have been better off being sold for scrap metal, fixed it up and it actually farking worked. Meaning we have another tool, and possibly more, to defend the second largest sovereign coastline in the world.
 
2012-07-19 01:17:59 PM  
The entire crew of the Canadian submarine apologized to the target immediately afterwards.

/Canadia's Motto: "It's easier to get along than to argue, eh?"
 
2012-07-19 01:18:05 PM  
Jebus, it sounds like the Canucks got a raw deal with buying those subs from the British... Two of them had fires (due to operational errors) and one spent so long in drydock that they couldn't keep the pigeons from nesting. Ouch.
 
2012-07-19 01:18:09 PM  
I guess I'll know who to call if I ever need a submarine target blasted or a moose farked.
 
2012-07-19 01:18:55 PM  

bim1154: Let's see, Justin Bieber, Nickleback, Celine Dion..... Canada can torpedo shiat all day long but they will never have credibility after producing the likes of those.


Kanye West, R Kelly, Creed, Jonas Brothers, Lil' Wayne, ICP...and so on.
 
2012-07-19 01:23:08 PM  

Towermonkey: Jebus, it sounds like the Canucks got a raw deal with buying those subs from the British... Two of them had fires (due to operational errors) and one spent so long in drydock that they couldn't keep the pigeons from nesting. Ouch.


They, they could have bought in the Swedish/Australian project (the Collins boats) or just picked up some standard Type 212s (or 214s) off the Germans. Heck for the price of the Upholders in the end (including refits) they could have bought some 688i boats off America and had money left over. Plus the 668i is nuclear so you can dick around under the ice with them for longer periods of time.
 
2012-07-19 01:23:50 PM  
in other news Canadian has a submarine...
 
2012-07-19 01:24:39 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Towermonkey: Jebus, it sounds like the Canucks got a raw deal with buying those subs from the British... Two of them had fires (due to operational errors) and one spent so long in drydock that they couldn't keep the pigeons from nesting. Ouch.

They, they could have bought in the Swedish/Australian project (the Collins boats) or just picked up some standard Type 212s (or 214s) off the Germans. Heck for the price of the Upholders in the end (including refits) they could have bought some 688i boats off America and had money left over. Plus the 668i is nuclear so you can dick around under the ice with them for longer periods of time.


Yeah well, Liberal Party.
 
2012-07-19 01:25:12 PM  
The subs at West Edmonton Mall are ferocious
 
2012-07-19 01:27:51 PM  
All Canucks will sleep much better now knowing there's a chance they could actually hit something if need be.

Then again, maybe not, for the same reason.
 
2012-07-19 01:29:03 PM  
Molson? I've only ever seen Canadians drinking Labat's.
 
2012-07-19 01:29:05 PM  

SultanofSchwing: bim1154: Let's see, Justin Bieber, Nickleback, Celine Dion..... Canada can torpedo shiat all day long but they will never have credibility after producing the likes of those.

Kanye West, R Kelly, Creed, Jonas Brothers, Lil' Wayne, ICP...and so on.


Yea... they all suck.
 
2012-07-19 01:29:58 PM  
There are no longer any subs at West Edmonton Mall, actually

/their new location is a government secret
 
2012-07-19 01:32:02 PM  
I like the canadas, i think they are a fine bunch up there and i am happy to have them on our border. They are clean and polite and they do suck great things with french fries up there.
 
2012-07-19 01:33:05 PM  

SultanofSchwing: ha-ha-guy: Towermonkey: Jebus, it sounds like the Canucks got a raw deal with buying those subs from the British... Two of them had fires (due to operational errors) and one spent so long in drydock that they couldn't keep the pigeons from nesting. Ouch.

They, they could have bought in the Swedish/Australian project (the Collins boats) or just picked up some standard Type 212s (or 214s) off the Germans. Heck for the price of the Upholders in the end (including refits) they could have bought some 688i boats off America and had money left over. Plus the 668i is nuclear so you can dick around under the ice with them for longer periods of time.

Yeah well, Liberal Party.



Now, now, I think all the major Canadian political parties have proven themselves inept when it comes to efficient military spending.
 
2012-07-19 01:33:21 PM  
Das Boot reference in the headline?
 
2012-07-19 01:35:50 PM  
To follow on, I'm amazed by the retardation that seems to fill the Canadian purchasing department. For most of their needs the most effective thing would just to be buy American. Just tag along on the American purchasing contracts so their units are the last out of the factory (read: after the US military has paid to fix all the bugs in the production line).

For example the submarines are just plain retarded. Canada bought the only four submarines in the class (that were made in the 1970s) instead of buying a type widely used by ABAC or NATO. So now they're the only people in the world with them and on the hook for doing all upgrades and parts purchasing on their own. No farking economies of scale. Meanwhile everyone else is bulk buying AIP upgrades for the Type 212 and laughing at the Canucks. The Oberons, the previous class of Canadian submarines were used by five different nations and various upgrades and mods were released for them (Harpoon firing ability, Mk48 torpedo tubes, etc). Now if the Canadians say want to refit the Upholders to hand mine clearing drones, they have to foot the entire bill by themselves instead of going in with other nations on the project. Also on any any joint NATO deployments they have to bring all their own parts.

The G-Wagen purchase was also questionable considering they paid to ship the farkers across the Atlantic to Canada (and then right back across to Kabul) instead of having some Hummers thrown on a train and shipped north. At least the G-Wagen is widely used in NATO so they can pull off other countries logistic chains, although the ones the Canadians received had an 85% defect rate. At least it was a minor defect.

/next thing you know they'll be designing their own fighters again and then biatching about engineering costs
 
2012-07-19 01:38:30 PM  
This is an exercise in formality, right? Like England having a queen? Who in their right mind is going to fark with Canada when
1. They don't bother anyone
2. They have full protection of a country to the south that has enough weapons to kill the earth's human population 5 times over
3. Jack Bauer was really Canadian
4. In hand to hand combat, each and every last citizen is skilled in knocking your helmet off, pulling your shirt over your head, and punching you repeatedly.

/in war, there are no referees
 
2012-07-19 01:41:13 PM  

Robo Beat: Obligatory.

/Canada has a warship? Like for war?


Yep, more ships per capita than the US.

/Hilarious link, BTW.
 
2012-07-19 01:44:51 PM  
Defence Minister Peter MacKay, who just wrapped up a fishing trip next to the exercises, told CTV News Channel the contingent marks the largest contribution Canada has ever made to the military war games, which take place every two years.

Fixed
 
2012-07-19 01:45:24 PM  

ha-ha-guy: For most of their needs the most effective thing would just to be buy American.


Yeah... Tagging along with the Americans is working out really well for us in sourcing a replacement to our CF-18s.

To be honest, I think the entire defense industry is a scam. We should all go back to pointy sticks and big rocks; they're much cheaper and more environmentally friendly.
 
2012-07-19 01:47:41 PM  

unyon: SAIL THE NORTHWEST PASSAGE AT YOUR OWN PERIL, TRESPASSERS!!


The USS Virginia would like a word with you. If you can find it.
 
2012-07-19 01:49:45 PM  
Finally, RIMPAC on Fark.

/figured the name alone would have gotten it on here long ago
 
2012-07-19 01:50:34 PM  

ha-ha-guy: /next thing you know they'll be designing their own fighters again and then biatching about engineering costs


And when they cancel the program due to ballooning costs, they'll biatch about how the US made them do it.

tko78: Tagging along with the Americans is working out really well for us in sourcing a replacement to our CF-18s.


To be fair, though, everybody is taking it in the shorts on that one. The Candians aren't alone in paying way more for those things than originally promised.
 
2012-07-19 01:52:15 PM  

MBooda: Finally, RIMPAC on Fark.

/figured the name alone would have gotten it on here long ago


I lol'ed when I saw that in TFA, and figured it woulda been mentioned sooner as well...
 
2012-07-19 01:54:42 PM  

ha-ha-guy: To follow on, I'm amazed by the retardation that seems to fill the Canadian purchasing department. For most of their needs the most effective thing would just to be buy American. Just tag along on the American purchasing contracts so their units are the last out of the factory (read: after the US military has paid to fix all the bugs in the production line).

/next thing you know they'll be designing their own fighters again and then biatching about engineering costs


In many respects I agree with you. Having spent 5 years in the Canadian FOrces, I saw first-hand some of the equipment issues. Certainly what Canada REALLY needs are 2 nuclear-powered subs for Arctic duty (because of the ice caps). That said, we designed and built our own next-gen frigates in the 1990's and they were (and are)outstanding. There's probably a balance to be had somewhere in the middle.

The other challenge is that our military roles are very different form America's. Our primary NATO role is still ASW in the North atlantic, just like WWII. Secondary to that on the priority list is international participation (Afghanistan, UN, etc.) Not all of the american equipment would suit our tasks, but much of it would, I suppose.

What we've failed at the most is in allowing individual pieces of the puzzle to hinder the bigger picture:
-Our air force training is second to none, but our aging fleet of F-18s should havebeen replaced 10 years ago. The Eurofighter was probably the best option at the time, but now we're spending way more on F-35s which are really no better as far as our mission parameters go.
-Our naval ASW equipment is also mostly top-notch, except that our helos are 40-year-old Sea Kings. Disgraceful. We had a plan but cancelled replacing them back in the 1990's.
Our Army units are well-equipped and fully modernized, with the exception of our aging tanks - The Leopard II is a good but outmoded platform. We probably need to de-emphasize MBTs and instead move towards faster, lighter, more transportable vehicles like Strykers or even something akin to the Bradley.

One must bear in mind that we have less than 1 10th of your population. Our total defense budget is about $15B. After all, we're not a superpower, we're not a nuclear power, and we're not interested in the same sort of influence-projection that the U.S. needs to undertake. Carriers would be neat toys, but impractical for us.

At the end of the day, we have sufficient resources to keep our own citizens safe and secure from any imminent threat. When you're a nation of only 30 million people, everything else is a luxury.
 
2012-07-19 01:54:54 PM  

Posh Naranek: Canadian submarine? Like a boat with a hole drilled in the bottom? Oh wait, thought this was the Polish thread.


You mean a Newfie thread, then. :)
 
2012-07-19 01:55:53 PM  

unyon: The three most recent were purchased second hand from the Brits, and one of them had a nasty fire on board.


Shouldn't have brought the Australian cook on board, he uses the barbie too often.
 
2012-07-19 01:57:23 PM  

tko78: ha-ha-guy: For most of their needs the most effective thing would just to be buy American.

Yeah... Tagging along with the Americans is working out really well for us in sourcing a replacement to our CF-18s.

To be honest, I think the entire defense industry is a scam. We should all go back to pointy sticks and big rocks; they're much cheaper and more environmentally friendly.


Well our GOA estimates we'll be using them for 50 years and the price per unit is 135 million per plane given the latest state of the project in 2012. So that's 50 years of access for upgrades and the like for a decent per unit price. A Gen 1 EF2K is 105 million and a Gen 2 is 196 million dollars. For 4.5 gen fighters you could get a Saab Gripen at 60 million a unit, a top of the line Su-35 at 65 million, or 100 million for a Silent Eagle (although that is Boeing's sale price and they always have overruns). So it's like we ripped you off on the price of a 5th gen fighter. It's just going to take a couple of years longer and these things always farking take longer than planned.
 
2012-07-19 01:58:07 PM  
Is it me or, does the submarine look like the Monitor?

Link
 
2012-07-19 01:58:21 PM  

Highroller48: After all, we're not a superpower, we're not a nuclear power, and we're not interested in the same sort of influence-projection that the U.S. needs to undertake. Carriers would be neat toys, but impractical for us.


Canada could probably use a carrier, if only as a platform for ferrying aircraft to the UK the next time they pick a fight too heavy for their weight class.
 
2012-07-19 01:58:40 PM  

taunting the Japanese


I think I'm taunting Japanese
I think I'm taunting Japanese
I really think so.

Eh
 
2012-07-19 02:01:00 PM  

the_celt: Is it me or, does the submarine look like the Monitor?


Don't make fun of this fully ARMED and OPERATIONAL battle station!
 
2012-07-19 02:02:18 PM  

Highroller48: ha-ha-guy: To follow on, I'm amazed by the retardation that seems to fill the Canadian purchasing department. For most of their needs the most effective thing would just to be buy American. Just tag along on the American purchasing contracts so their units are the last out of the factory (read: after the US military has paid to fix all the bugs in the production line).

/next thing you know they'll be designing their own fighters again and then biatching about engineering costs

In many respects I agree with you. Having spent 5 years in the Canadian FOrces, I saw first-hand some of the equipment issues. Certainly what Canada REALLY needs are 2 nuclear-powered subs for Arctic duty (because of the ice caps). That said, we designed and built our own next-gen frigates in the 1990's and they were (and are)outstanding. There's probably a balance to be had somewhere in the middle.

The other challenge is that our military roles are very different form America's. Our primary NATO role is still ASW in the North atlantic, just like WWII. Secondary to that on the priority list is international participation (Afghanistan, UN, etc.) Not all of the american equipment would suit our tasks, but much of it would, I suppose.

What we've failed at the most is in allowing individual pieces of the puzzle to hinder the bigger picture:
-Our air force training is second to none, but our aging fleet of F-18s should havebeen replaced 10 years ago. The Eurofighter was probably the best option at the time, but now we're spending way more on F-35s which are really no better as far as our mission parameters go.
-Our naval ASW equipment is also mostly top-notch, except that our helos are 40-year-old Sea Kings. Disgraceful. We had a plan but cancelled replacing them back in the 1990's.
Our Army units are well-equipped and fully modernized, with the exception of our aging tanks - The Leopard II is a good but outmoded platform. We probably need to de-emphasize MBTs and instead move towards ...


Very well stated. I work with the Canadian forces and have nothing but respect.

/Too bad about your CF-105 Arrow
 
2012-07-19 02:02:27 PM  
I know this is a joke but also oblig.

This is the transcript of a radio conversation of a US naval ship with Canadian authorities off the coast of Newfoundland in October, 1995. Radio conversation released by the Chief of Naval Operations 10-10-95.

Americans: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the North to avoid a Collision.
Canadians: Recommend you divert YOUR course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision.
Americans: This is the Captain of a US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course.
Canadians: No. I say again, you divert YOUR course.
Americans: This is the aircraft carrier USS Lincoln, the second largest ship in the United States' Atlantic fleet. We are accompanied by three destroyers, three cruisers and numerous support vessels. I demand that YOU change your course 15 degrees north, that's one five degrees north, or countermeasures will be undertaken to ensure the safety of this ship.
Canadians: This is a lighthouse. Your call.

//Canadian living in the states... lol
 
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