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(Think Progress)   Zimmerman: I would shoot Trayvon all over again because it was god's plan for me to kill him, but I wish something could have been done to keep me from having to kill Trayvon. Zimmerman's attorneys: fffffffffffffFFFFFFFFFFFF   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 418
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2012-07-19 10:36:39 AM

Jackson Herring: [i.imgur.com image 500x375]


I still don't get that whole argument. Did anyone know how old Martin was in the allegedly 12-year-old child photos? We already know the gangsta photo was not him. I dare anyone to try and find that many photos of my brother when he was 17-he avoided the camera like the plague, but hey, any chance to blame the media, why not.
 
2012-07-19 10:37:08 AM
So, in keeping with the tradition of verbing, can we say that he really "Sanduskyed" himself with that interview?
 
2012-07-19 10:37:31 AM
So by doing these interviews and generally ignoring the advice of his attorneys, is Zimmerman going for the "God told me to, in order to cast reasonable doubt on my mental state should I ever go to trial" defense or is he just really stupid?
 
2012-07-19 10:38:26 AM

Flakeloaf: I'm going to become a rich man by opening up a very special kind of legal practise: Please Promise Me You'll Shut The Fark Up LLC.

Our business cards will be plain, bearing only our name and a phone number. When you call my office, the receptionist will answer the phone with the company's seven-word slogan, and use it at the beginning and end of every sentence. A client who refuses to promise to shut the fark up will be charged billable hours until he does.


You should use this image on your business card:

us9.memecdn.com
 
2012-07-19 10:38:35 AM

SkinnyHead: Actually, the interview went quite well. Zimmerman was very believable.


Oh yeah, it went great.

Do you regret getting out of the car?
No.

Do you regret following him?
No.

Do you regret having a gun that night?
No.

WHAT THE FARK DO YOU REGRET, ANYTHING?
No, I murdered that sonofabiatch because God told me to do it. I'm a nutty sociopath.


Fark this guy, every time he opens his mouth his digs his hole deeper.
 
2012-07-19 10:38:40 AM

SkinnyHead: Actually, the interview went quite well. Zimmerman was very believable.


Skinny, you sound tired.
 
2012-07-19 10:39:34 AM

bugontherug: PsyLord: MythDragon: How has Zimmerman not been assassinated yet? I really am surprised. Not saying it should happen, I just can't believe that it hasn't.

He's not important enough for assassination... murder on the other hand...

If I sat on the jury of someone who killed George Zimmerman in cold blood, I would nullify. One who commits vigilante injustice has no just complaint when he himself is targeted for vigilante justice.


It's the circle of life!
 
2012-07-19 10:39:59 AM

Theaetetus: Trayvon's father responds:
Zimmerman said "it was god's plan". Trayvon's father: "We must worship a diff god bc no way that MY God would hv wanted GZ to kill my son."

Hey, Journalists? It's okay to rewrite a quote if it's unintelligible. You don't have to quote abbreviations exactly. How about, "In response, Trayvon's father stated that he must worship a different god than Zimmerman, because his god would not have wanted Zimmerman to kill his son."

Cutting and pasting is scrapbooking, not being a reporter.


I agree here, and I AM a reporter, or I use to be anyway. It's ok to clean up a quote, it does not have to be precisely, exactly what they said.
 
2012-07-19 10:40:07 AM

Raharu: Skinny, you sound tired.


Haven't you any better comments? You really sound tired.

 
2012-07-19 10:40:16 AM

Theaetetus: Jackson Herring: [i.imgur.com image 500x375]

If he was enough of a child 5 years ago that showing the picture would pluck emotional heart strings, then he's still a child, so I'm not sure this helps your argument.


Well he had become a 6ft child that the week before had punched a bus driver in the face for not letting him ride free. The bus driver was told not to press charges from his boss and continue his route so he would avoid being any more behind schedule. Then they was that time a few months prior that he was caught at school with a bag of woman jewelry and a break-in tools, but he was just holding them for a friend poor mis - understood baby was a good kid.

Now I don't know what really happen but do know that both were seasoned one by age one by the streets and crime. So age is not a factor here.
 
2012-07-19 10:40:23 AM
I wonder if him going on Fox News poisons the jury pool because of how partisan they are. It's one step above him going on KKK Television...
 
2012-07-19 10:40:26 AM

johndalek: is this guy nuts or what???? best to keep mouth shut at this stage of the game. i keep on thinking that if he listened to the dispatcher and never got out of his car this would not have happened.

every time this guy opens his mouth this incident gets worse and worse.


The dispatcher never told him to stay in the car.
When the dispatcher said he didn't have to follow Martin, he was already at the next road over.
He stopped, finished his conversation with police and returned to his car.
That's when he was confronted.

No amount of "listening to the dispatcher" would have changed anything.

He definitely should be keeping his mouth shut at this stage though.
 
2012-07-19 10:41:16 AM

jakomo002: Hold on.

One of the rules in MY Bible (one of the 10 big ones, possibly the BIGGEST) is THOU SHALT NOT KILL.

Seems to me if there is a God, He is particularly pissed when someone blames Him for their terrible sin.

Enjoy Hell, Mr. Zimmerman, because it's your reward after somebody murders you in prison.


Sounds like you have an outdated version. The Bible has undergone some sweeping revisions of late. 'Thou Shalt Not Kill' now has so many exceptions that an additional volume has been introduced to hold them all.
 
2012-07-19 10:41:24 AM
I support George Zimmerman because he is out for justice in a community that is under siege. Trayvon "Crack Rock" Martin had George marked for death, but he didn't realize he was standing on deadly ground because a free citizen with a firearm is hard to kill. George truly wasn't out for a kill and the exit wounds weren't meant to put Trayvon half past dead. It's this prosecutor who thinks he can operate above the law and sway the election in a state that is increasingly dark territory. The judge needs to make an executive decision and release George the Patriot.
 
2012-07-19 10:41:28 AM
Dude, you're going to walk, give it a rest while you're ahead.

People say things like that, or "hey, man, no need to follow that kid" or whatever, and Zimmerman hears the old Charlie Brown "wahwahwah wah wah."
 
2012-07-19 10:41:31 AM
A Fox News Corporation spokesperson told Mediabistro:

"Sean Hannity has never offered to pay any legal fees or any fee associated with George Zimmerman."


Yesterday, the Special Prosecutor in the George Zimmerman case released 149 jail house phone calls that Mr. Zimmerman made while awaiting his bond hearing.

In one call by Zimmerman, he explains that an "SH" has offered money for his defense fund, and later explains to his friend how to reach him.


Link
 
2012-07-19 10:41:38 AM

Itstoearly: Ooo, a Think Progress link. I can rest assured they will be completely unbiased with their reporting on this story.


Like Hannity wasn't soft-balling and leading with his questions. Did you watch that? It was like his defense lawyer wrote the script.
 
2012-07-19 10:41:38 AM

KimNorth: Theaetetus: Jackson Herring: [i.imgur.com image 500x375]

If he was enough of a child 5 years ago that showing the picture would pluck emotional heart strings, then he's still a child, so I'm not sure this helps your argument.

Well he had become a 6ft child that the week before had punched a bus driver in the face for not letting him ride free. The bus driver was told not to press charges from his boss and continue his route so he would avoid being any more behind schedule. Then they was that time a few months prior that he was caught at school with a bag of woman jewelry and a break-in tools, but he was just holding them for a friend poor mis - understood baby was a good kid.

Now I don't know what really happen but do know that both were seasoned one by age one by the streets and crime. So age is not a factor here.


So sorry for last post spell coffee...need
 
2012-07-19 10:42:01 AM
You people bashing the lawyers are aware that they cannot physically stop Zimmerman from doing interviews, right?

They more than likely ADVISED Zimmerman to not do any interviews, but ultimately it is up to him.
 
2012-07-19 10:42:19 AM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Somewhere in a Federal PMITA prison, Matthew Hale is getting a stiffy.


I don't know. See, the thing is, his "church" lost its status because the "Creator" in his "Church of the Creator" was white people. It was an attempt to turn his white supremacy into a belief system, so that the bar association couldn't hold that against him. I doubt he cares much about this, other than that a black teenager in a hoodie is dead.

/Matt used to walk by my dorm every morning on his way to Lesar Law Building
//Was on I-57 on my way home from Joliet when Ben Smith went on his killing spree
 
2012-07-19 10:42:22 AM
Is it unreasonable to think that maybe his lawyers WANT him to appear publicly unstable in order to facilitate a 'Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity' defence while also poisoning the jury well further? Or am I giving this moronic barrister too much credit?

/
 
2012-07-19 10:42:33 AM
From a legal perspective, I completely understand the attorney's desire to fight in the court of public opinion. Most people have already made up their minds about this case, and the attorney was trying to influence the potential jury pool. But wouldn't you prep your client? Wouldn't you grill him for hours and days before hand and tell him what to say and what not to say? Wouldn't you demand to vet the questions that were going to be asked? I know even then things can go wrong- people panic and forget- but from what I've seen and heard, this was not well thought out.
 
2012-07-19 10:42:48 AM
Now watch. He won't testify at his trial. But he will go on Fox News and talk to friendly Sean and raise more money.
 
2012-07-19 10:42:53 AM
All of you who ever defended this guy can now officially fark off.
 
2012-07-19 10:43:07 AM

KimNorth: Well he had become a 6ft child that the week before had punched a bus driver in the face for not letting him ride free. The bus driver was told not to press charges from his boss and continue his route so he would avoid being any more behind schedule. Then they was that time a few months prior that he was caught at school with a bag of woman jewelry and a break-in tools, but he was just holding them for a friend poor mis - understood baby was a good kid.


Exactly. And since both of these potential crimes are punishable by death--at a minimum--Zimmerman was just saving the taxpayers the cost of a trial.

/Something, something, previous crimes not presentable as evidence in a trial, something, aw fark it.
 
2012-07-19 10:43:44 AM
Yeah... and the Prosecution gets accused of trying this case in The Media.
 
2012-07-19 10:44:53 AM

kidgenius: Flakeloaf: I'm going to become a rich man by opening up a very special kind of legal practise: Please Promise Me You'll Shut The Fark Up LLC.

Our business cards will be plain, bearing only our name and a phone number. When you call my office, the receptionist will answer the phone with the company's seven-word slogan, and use it at the beginning and end of every sentence. A client who refuses to promise to shut the fark up will be charged billable hours until he does.

You should use this image on your business card:

[us9.memecdn.com image 500x506]


So glad someone did a new version of this, and put their logo on it. I don't have to hide out anymore from the family who would really love to sue my happy ass.

/yeah, really, though I don't have the original GIMP .xcf anymore so I can't prove it :-(
 
2012-07-19 10:44:57 AM

Rapmaster2000: I support George Zimmerman because he is out for justice in a community that is under siege. Trayvon "Crack Rock" Martin had George marked for death, but he didn't realize he was standing on deadly ground because a free citizen with a firearm is hard to kill. George truly wasn't out for a kill and the exit wounds weren't meant to put Trayvon half past dead. It's this prosecutor who thinks he can operate above the law and sway the election in a state that is increasingly dark territory. The judge needs to make an executive decision and release George the Patriot.


I know I missed a few, but don't feel like Googling .
 
2012-07-19 10:46:10 AM
Second degree murder cases often involve a death that allegedly occurred because of a heat of passion or act that was so dangerous is warrants a criminal action be brought against the Defendant. The classic example is the spouse who finds their partner having an affair with another person and immediately acts to kill either the partner or the partner's lover. In order to convict a defendant in Florida of Second-degree murder, the State of Florida must prove the following three elements beyond a reasonable doubt:

The victim is dead;
The death was caused by the criminal act of the defendant;
There was an unlawful killing of the victim by an act imminently dangerous to another and demonstrating a depraved mind without regard for human life.

Understanding a second degree murder can be more confusing than the more serious first degree murder. The "criminal act" reference in the statute must be a single event or series of related actions arising from and performed pursuant to a single design or purpose of committing the murder or creating the dangerous condition that led to the death. Although second-degree murder can carry a potential incarceration of up to life in prison, the death penalty cannot be imposed on a person found guilty of second-degree murder.

Whether a Defendant's actions could have been reasonably foreseen as endangering a human life to the point of warranting a prosecution is a question for the jury and where a skilled defense lawyer can be most helpful. Examples may include the negligent supervision of a child or of the elderly by an adult, or other reckless behavior that led to the death of another person.

Unlike in a first degree or felony murder prosecution, a grand jury does not need to indict the defendant before a prosecution may begin. Second degree murders often are decided on the "common sense" of the jury. Whether a person's actions amount to the requisite intent or recklessness to warrant conviction is often left up to the jury's determination.

The defense of a second degree murder often comes from a defense's argument that the death was justified, excusable, or was self-defense.
 
2012-07-19 10:46:12 AM
So, America, if the glove don't fit....

Wait, what?
 
2012-07-19 10:46:22 AM

rufus-t-firefly: SkinnyHead: Actually, the interview went quite well. Zimmerman was very believable.

Yup, he convinced me that, even knowing that Trayvon wasn't doing anything illegal, he would do it all over again.

"It was all God's plan, and for me to second guess it or judge it...," he said before trailing off. When Hannity asked if there was anything he'd do differently in retrospect, Zimmerman answered, "No, sir."

Sure, he later said:

"I do wish there was something, anything, I could have done that wouldn't have put me in the position where I had to take his life."

Maybe you could have remembered that you're not a cop, stayed in your goddamned truck and not followed him as he "skipped" away?

He also said that Martin was not running away from him in fear, but was "skipping."

Link


I thought he acquitted himself quite well. It will be difficult for the prosecution to get a murder conviction.
 
2012-07-19 10:46:22 AM
"if I did something wrong I would apologize."

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

This guy's almost as good as Jerry "what about those kids I didn't abuse?" Sandusky.
 
2012-07-19 10:46:29 AM
... Sigh.

Y'know what, I take back what I said at the start of this fiasco - that he struck me as more of a retarded police fetishist who went too far than a psychotic racist out to kill himself a darkie. I was wrong, he was a psychotic racist out to kill himself a darkie (though he's a retarded police fetishist as well - what a combination).

Jesus farking Christ. This guy needs to be locked in a rubber room for the rest of his life.
 
2012-07-19 10:46:44 AM

rufus-t-firefly: A Fox News Corporation spokesperson told Mediabistro:

"Sean Hannity has never offered to pay any legal fees or any fee associated with George Zimmerman."

Yesterday, the Special Prosecutor in the George Zimmerman case released 149 jail house phone calls that Mr. Zimmerman made while awaiting his bond hearing.

In one call by Zimmerman, he explains that an "SH" has offered money for his defense fund, and later explains to his friend how to reach him.

Link


and??? That makes it Fox the offered it?
 
2012-07-19 10:46:45 AM

vegasj: Raharu: Skinny, you sound tired.

Haven't you any better comments? You really sound tired.


I only post that to tired trolls and shills who work long hours at the troll / shill mines. Its inspired by the Doctor, and is remarkably effective!

You don't the standard reply this time, because this is possibly one of the Boobiess Ive ever seen you make that didn't involve race baiting, or some conspiracy theory involving the President and the black panthers. Don't worry there are plenty of hours left in the day, and lots more G.Z. submissions on fark!
 
2012-07-19 10:47:00 AM

Rapmaster2000: I support George Zimmerman because he is out for justice in a community that is under siege. Trayvon "Crack Rock" Martin had George marked for death, but he didn't realize he was standing on deadly ground because a free citizen with a firearm is hard to kill. George truly wasn't out for a kill and the exit wounds weren't meant to put Trayvon half past dead. It's this prosecutor who thinks he can operate above the law and sway the election in a state that is increasingly dark territory. The judge needs to make an executive decision and release George the Patriot.


Yes, then lets hope the local sheriffs come knocking on his door....justice served.
 
2012-07-19 10:48:25 AM

Koalaesq: From a legal perspective, I completely understand the attorney's desire to fight in the court of public opinion. Most people have already made up their minds about this case, and the attorney was trying to influence the potential jury pool. But wouldn't you prep your client? Wouldn't you grill him for hours and days before hand and tell him what to say and what not to say? Wouldn't you demand to vet the questions that were going to be asked? I know even then things can go wrong- people panic and forget- but from what I've seen and heard, this was not well thought out.


And we're talking about Sean Hannity. Not exactly a respected interviewer. He'd be happy to ask whatever leading questions will help ZImmerman - you just have to coach the answers. The fact that he referred to "God's plan" and said he wouldn't have done anything differently (until he tried to fix it later) just reminds me of Lawyerin' Joe Amendola's spectacular legal mind.
 
2012-07-19 10:48:50 AM

rufus-t-firefly: A Fox News Corporation spokesperson told Mediabistro:

"Sean Hannity has never offered to pay any legal fees or any fee associated with George Zimmerman."

Yesterday, the Special Prosecutor in the George Zimmerman case released 149 jail house phone calls that Mr. Zimmerman made while awaiting his bond hearing.

In one call by Zimmerman, he explains that an "SH" has offered money for his defense fund, and later explains to his friend how to reach him.

Link


SH? Could have been Skinny Head?
 
2012-07-19 10:49:11 AM
I knew this guy was innocent. See folks, everything's on the up and up.
 
2012-07-19 10:50:08 AM
WTF?
 
2012-07-19 10:51:19 AM
What I find the most frightening, or sickening about this, is that Fox News was the go to outlet to unleash this insanity. Seriously, what the fark is happening in this country. A lunatic kills a child, then goes on Fox News to talk about how he's a servant of our Lord, only doing God's work, etc. AND he's gonna get sympathy from their viewers.

Seriously America, sometimes you scare the shiat out of me.
 
2012-07-19 10:52:38 AM

born_yesterday: KimNorth: Well he had become a 6ft child that the week before had punched a bus driver in the face for not letting him ride free. The bus driver was told not to press charges from his boss and continue his route so he would avoid being any more behind schedule. Then they was that time a few months prior that he was caught at school with a bag of woman jewelry and a break-in tools, but he was just holding them for a friend poor mis - understood baby was a good kid.

Exactly. And since both of these potential crimes are punishable by death--at a minimum--Zimmerman was just saving the taxpayers the cost of a trial.

/Something, something, previous crimes not presentable as evidence in a trial, something, aw fark it.


"Now I don't know what really happen but do know that both were seasoned one by age one by the streets and crime. So age is not a factor here."

You forgot the last line of my post so I put it above, cut and pasting to try and make a valid point is a FAIL.

 
2012-07-19 10:52:55 AM

Koalaesq: From a legal perspective, I completely understand the attorney's desire to fight in the court of public opinion. Most people have already made up their minds about this case, and the attorney was trying to influence the potential jury pool.


The fact that people have already made up their minds benefits Zimmerman. He only needs one to hang the jury, while the prosecution needs 12 to convict. Based on the outcome of this interview, I would normally be inclined to say it was a mistake. But I think O'Mara deliberately selected Sean Hannity for more than his bias: it was his audience he was targeting. Which is why Zimmerman invoked God, and declined to state he would do anything differently.
 
2012-07-19 10:53:00 AM

SkinnyHead: rufus-t-firefly: SkinnyHead: Actually, the interview went quite well. Zimmerman was very believable.

Yup, he convinced me that, even knowing that Trayvon wasn't doing anything illegal, he would do it all over again.

"It was all God's plan, and for me to second guess it or judge it...," he said before trailing off. When Hannity asked if there was anything he'd do differently in retrospect, Zimmerman answered, "No, sir."

Sure, he later said:

"I do wish there was something, anything, I could have done that wouldn't have put me in the position where I had to take his life."

Maybe you could have remembered that you're not a cop, stayed in your goddamned truck and not followed him as he "skipped" away?

He also said that Martin was not running away from him in fear, but was "skipping."

Link

I thought he acquitted himself quite well. It will be difficult for the prosecution to get a murder conviction.


yeah gunning down a kid skipping down a sidewalk talking on the phone to his GF sounds justified to me.

we get it, he was black
 
2012-07-19 10:53:07 AM

SkinnyHead: rufus-t-firefly: SkinnyHead: Actually, the interview went quite well. Zimmerman was very believable.

Yup, he convinced me that, even knowing that Trayvon wasn't doing anything illegal, he would do it all over again.

"It was all God's plan, and for me to second guess it or judge it...," he said before trailing off. When Hannity asked if there was anything he'd do differently in retrospect, Zimmerman answered, "No, sir."

Sure, he later said:

"I do wish there was something, anything, I could have done that wouldn't have put me in the position where I had to take his life."

Maybe you could have remembered that you're not a cop, stayed in your goddamned truck and not followed him as he "skipped" away?

He also said that Martin was not running away from him in fear, but was "skipping."

Link

I thought he acquitted himself quite well. It will be difficult for the prosecution to get a murder conviction.


Every interview and public statement gives the state more words to use against him - showing contradictions and changing stories. If you don't see any glaring contradictions, then you aren't a lawyer.

There's a reason you shouldn't open your mouth when questioned by the police, and an even better reason not to be on video so you can testify against yourself in court.
 
2012-07-19 10:53:47 AM

joonyer: I knew this guy was innocent. See folks, everything's on the up and up.


If you put me on the jury, I'd have to let him off, because what if he's right? I don't want God smiting me with a lightning bolt as soon as I say "guilty!"

But wait--what if it's God's plan for Zimmerman to kill Trayvon, then spend several years in prison for it? We just don't know!!! Clearly, I need to attend church more and these things will be revealed to me.
 
2012-07-19 10:53:55 AM

MorrisBird: Attorneys: Yeah, let's allow our client to speak on Hannity. Letting Sandusky be interviewed by Bob Costas worked out so well for him. Folks, this is legal malpractice at an appalling level.


I'm pretty sure his attorneys have advised him to keep his mouth shut. What are they supposed to do if he insists to the contrary?
 
2012-07-19 10:54:01 AM

Vlad_the_Inaner: rufus-t-firefly: A Fox News Corporation spokesperson told Mediabistro:

"Sean Hannity has never offered to pay any legal fees or any fee associated with George Zimmerman."

Yesterday, the Special Prosecutor in the George Zimmerman case released 149 jail house phone calls that Mr. Zimmerman made while awaiting his bond hearing.

In one call by Zimmerman, he explains that an "SH" has offered money for his defense fund, and later explains to his friend how to reach him.

Link

SH? Could have been Skinny Head?


He was offering $5 and some jaw breakers.
 
2012-07-19 10:54:22 AM
If he hadn't killed that boy, he'd still be broke with maxed out credit cards. Now, thanks to kind donations from patriotic christians, he and his wife have enough money to retire. Their prayers were answered.
 
2012-07-19 10:55:31 AM

rufus-t-firefly: SkinnyHead: rufus-t-firefly: SkinnyHead: Actually, the interview went quite well. Zimmerman was very believable.

Yup, he convinced me that, even knowing that Trayvon wasn't doing anything illegal, he would do it all over again.

"It was all God's plan, and for me to second guess it or judge it...," he said before trailing off. When Hannity asked if there was anything he'd do differently in retrospect, Zimmerman answered, "No, sir."

Sure, he later said:

"I do wish there was something, anything, I could have done that wouldn't have put me in the position where I had to take his life."

Maybe you could have remembered that you're not a cop, stayed in your goddamned truck and not followed him as he "skipped" away?

He also said that Martin was not running away from him in fear, but was "skipping."

Link

I thought he acquitted himself quite well. It will be difficult for the prosecution to get a murder conviction.

Every interview and public statement gives the state more words to use against him - showing contradictions and changing stories. If you don't see any glaring contradictions, then you aren't a lawyer.

There's a reason you shouldn't open your mouth when questioned by the police, and an even better reason not to be on video so you can testify against yourself in court.


Does it help if you talk to police on various occasions and appear in recorded interviews if you never contradict yourself or any witnesses/evidence?
 
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