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2012-07-19 12:57:08 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: Resolute: Oh, and

A) Our referees are terrible

B) Fark the Riders.

Ah let the Kevin Glenn era begin in Calgary. Also never take relationship advice from Joffrey Reynolds. What too soon?

See you Stumpeder fans at McMahon tonight!


Wish I was there!! Go Riders!!

/Though I do agree the Refs suck!
 
2012-07-19 01:04:24 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Representative of the unwashed masses: 3 examples of 'god-farking awful' CFL QB's

You forgot Joe Theisman. Those four are what we like to call "exceptions" in the 54 year history of the CFL.


i7.photobucket.com
horrible defensive lineman/linebacker

broncotalk.net
couldn't kick a field goal

www.bloomberg.com
neither could he

www.elitesportleader.com
horrible coach

www.budfootball.com
also a horrible coach

www.vikingsgab.com
talentless hack.

We could go on, but the point is that a lot of very smart football people have had good careers in both the CFL and NFL.
 
2012-07-19 01:09:42 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Yeah, and one WR can get a running start, which gives him an incredible advantage in getting open


I thought several could? I thought AFL was one WR could be moving toward the LOS, CFL was several.

/haven't seen any games this year
//thanks, no NFLN!
 
2012-07-19 01:14:53 PM  

IAmRight: Yanks_RSJ: Yeah, and one WR can get a running start, which gives him an incredible advantage in getting open

I thought several could? I thought AFL was one WR could be moving toward the LOS, CFL was several.

/haven't seen any games this year
//thanks, no NFLN!


yup several players can be in motion before the snap. I believe that in addition to the O-line, that at least one receiver has to be still before the snap.
 
2012-07-19 01:19:03 PM  
 
2012-07-19 01:19:07 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: We could go on, but the point is that a lot of very smart football people have had good careers in both the CFL and NFL.


Half a dozen examples are hardly relevant to my opinion that, generally speaking, the quarterbacks of the CFL are awful. If Anthony Calvillo or Ricky Ray were good enough to play in the NFL, they'd be in the NFL.
 
2012-07-19 01:20:46 PM  

IAmRight: I thought several could? I thought AFL was one WR could be moving toward the LOS, CFL was several.


So, that's even worse. If you put an NFL QB in a league where almost every WR has a decided advantage before the ball is even snapped, he'd complete 75% of his passes. The ball might never hit the ground if it was Aaron Rodgers, Brady or Brees.
 
2012-07-19 01:26:05 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Representative of the unwashed masses: We could go on, but the point is that a lot of very smart football people have had good careers in both the CFL and NFL.

Half a dozen examples are hardly relevant to my opinion that, generally speaking, the quarterbacks of the CFL are awful. If Anthony Calvillo or Ricky Ray were good enough to play in the NFL, they'd be in the NFL.


I'll give you Ricky Ray, never has been an exciting QB. Calvillo on the other hand didn't really come into his own until his 30's. Basically on the old side to bring into the NFL as a rookie.

His current coach, Marc Trestman, has also been on record saying AC may be the best QB he has ever coached. And that includes names like Steve young, Bernie Kosar, Jake Plummer, and Rich Gannon.
 
2012-07-19 01:26:46 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: So, that's even worse. If you put an NFL QB in a league where almost every WR has a decided advantage before the ball is even snapped, he'd complete 75% of his passes. The ball might never hit the ground if it was Aaron Rodgers, Brady or Brees.


Well yeah, and CFL QBs do that, too. That's why they only get three downs.

It's a different game with a different set of rules and it's enjoyable to watch - there are players that are better off in the CFL and there are players that would be better off in the NFL, but the CFL is the next step below and their skillset is slightly different.

Kinda like guys can seem much better in FIBA rules basketball than they are in the NBA and vice versa - I'd bet there are many CFL players who could hack it in the NFL (note: I am not saying they'd be stars, but they could be useful players and potentially starters), but will never get that chance because their skills don't fully shine in the CFL.
 
2012-07-19 01:28:46 PM  
Like Ricky Ray wasn't even an AFL-level player early on, he was in the developmental league for ARENA BALL.
 
2012-07-19 01:29:09 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: IAmRight: I thought several could? I thought AFL was one WR could be moving toward the LOS, CFL was several.

So, that's even worse. If you put an NFL QB in a league where almost every WR has a decided advantage before the ball is even snapped, he'd complete 75% of his passes. The ball might never hit the ground if it was Aaron Rodgers, Brady or Brees.


there have been lots of former NFL qb's and Heisman trophy winners who thought the same thing. In recent years guys like Cleo Lemon, Mike McMahon and Akili Smith have had incredibly BAD runs in the CFL because they couldn't adapt to the much more open style of play.
 
2012-07-19 01:30:05 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: IAmRight: I thought several could? I thought AFL was one WR could be moving toward the LOS, CFL was several.

So, that's even worse. If you put an NFL QB in a league where almost every WR has a decided advantage before the ball is even snapped, he'd complete 75% of his passes. The ball might never hit the ground if it was Aaron Rodgers, Brady or Brees.


Yeah well my Dad can totally beat up your Dad.
 
2012-07-19 01:32:06 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: there have been lots of former NFL qb's and Heisman trophy winners who thought the same thing. In recent years guys like Cleo Lemon, Mike McMahon and Akili Smith have had incredibly BAD runs in the CFL because they couldn't adapt to the much more open style of play.


None of those guys were ever average here either. Bad QBs are bad everywhere. I don't think Cleo Lemon could complete a pass if he was a camp counselor playing flag football.
 
2012-07-19 01:37:04 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Representative of the unwashed masses: there have been lots of former NFL qb's and Heisman trophy winners who thought the same thing. In recent years guys like Cleo Lemon, Mike McMahon and Akili Smith have had incredibly BAD runs in the CFL because they couldn't adapt to the much more open style of play.

None of those guys were ever average here either. Bad QBs are bad everywhere. I don't think Cleo Lemon could complete a pass if he was a camp counselor playing flag football.


Yes but your point was that "If you put an NFL QB in a league where almost every WR has a decided advantage before the ball is even snapped, he'd complete 75% of his passes." which is absurd. Granted a team with players like Megatron, Aaron Rogers etc skillwise is WAY better than what you find on a CFL roster, the quality of the game isn't that much less.
 
rka
2012-07-19 01:39:08 PM  

DemoKnite: As rabid of a football country that the USA is, I cant believe this isnt on television anywhere. Not even an obscure channel. In the meantime, we suffer through a summer of baseball and NASCAR. I would watch the CFL if it were available.


It's on all the time if you're paying attention.

But just like televised high school football, you'll flip to it, watch a play or two and go "WTF is this shiat?" and turn the channel.

Representative of the unwashed masses: His current coach, Marc Trestman, has also been on record saying AC may be the best QB he has ever coached.


And Mike Shanahan said Brian Griese was going to be the next Joe Montana back in 1999. Coaches over-evaluating their own players for media consumption is nothing new.
 
2012-07-19 01:40:20 PM  
Also, great QBs in the NFL complete around 70% of their passes, so 75% isn't much of a stretch.
 
2012-07-19 01:43:38 PM  
I also thought #90 clipped (or blocked from behind?) #94 right at the start of the play. I didn't watch it over and over, though.
 
2012-07-19 01:44:33 PM  

rka: "WTF is this shiat?" and turn the channel.


If the options are CFL or baseball/NASCAR, you're a fool if you'd turn away from the CFL.

/probably better to just turn off the TV though
 
2012-07-19 01:48:43 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: Yes but your point was that "If you put an NFL QB in a league where almost every WR has a decided advantage before the ball is even snapped, he'd complete 75% of his passes." which is absurd. Granted a team with players like Megatron, Aaron Rogers etc skillwise is WAY better than what you find on a CFL roster, the quality of the game isn't that much less.


What's really absurd is your attempt to disprove me by using three guys who combined to make 39 NFL starts, mostly due to injury or utter desperation. I'm sorry I wasn't more clear, but by "NFL QB" I was referring to QBs good enough to be REGULAR starting QBs for at least a few years.

As in "NFL caliber QB".

IAmRight: Also, great QBs in the NFL complete around 70% of their passes, so 75% isn't much of a stretch.


Probably why when I referred to some of the NFLs great QBs I said "the ball might never hit the ground".
 
2012-07-19 01:55:23 PM  
damn.. the one time I try to subtly troll and no one bites.. I suck at this
 
2012-07-19 01:55:56 PM  
For some reason, the Rider fan hate always seems to come when we're winning. Jealous much?

/3-0, baby
 
2012-07-19 01:58:36 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: What's really absurd is your attempt to disprove me by using three guys who combined to make 39 NFL starts, mostly due to injury or utter desperation. I'm sorry I wasn't more clear, but by "NFL QB" I was referring to QBs good enough to be REGULAR starting QBs for at least a few years.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Flutie
 
2012-07-19 01:59:06 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Representative of the unwashed masses: Yes but your point was that "If you put an NFL QB in a league where almost every WR has a decided advantage before the ball is even snapped, he'd complete 75% of his passes." which is absurd. Granted a team with players like Megatron, Aaron Rogers etc skillwise is WAY better than what you find on a CFL roster, the quality of the game isn't that much less.

What's really absurd is your attempt to disprove me by using three guys who combined to make 39 NFL starts, mostly due to injury or utter desperation. I'm sorry I wasn't more clear, but by "NFL QB" I was referring to QBs good enough to be REGULAR starting QBs for at least a few years.

As in "NFL caliber QB".



ok how about running backs? I remember in 2006, Sean Salsbury said that Ricky Williams would eviscerate CFL defences and rush for well over 2500 yards.

in 11 games he got just over 500.

And he was an NFL caliber running back.
 
2012-07-19 01:59:12 PM  
There are black people in Canada?
 
2012-07-19 02:00:09 PM  

ndubyaj: For some reason, the Rider fan hate always seems to come when we're winning. Jealous much?

/3-0, baby


www.tajagroproducts.com

Enjoy your new hat!
 
2012-07-19 02:10:47 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: ok how about running backs? I remember in 2006, Sean Salsbury said that Ricky Williams would eviscerate CFL defences and rush for well over 2500 yards.


So, now you're going to Sean Salisbury for reasonable analysis? Good one.

Also, I said nothing of RBs, let alone an out-of-shape pothead who went to the CFL to collect a paycheck while he was suspended from the NFL.
 
2012-07-19 02:24:05 PM  

ndubyaj: For some reason, the Rider fan hate always seems to come when we're winning. Jealous much?

/3-0, baby


Probably because Rider fans are sore winners. But given the franchise has mostly done nothing but lose for 70 years, it stands to reason you haven't figured out how to win with class. Or lose with class. Or behave with class.

/Banjo-picking inbreds
//11-29-2009 nevar forget

i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-19 02:26:58 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Also, I said nothing of RBs, let alone an out-of-shape pothead who went to the CFL to collect a paycheck while he was suspended from the NFL.


C'mon, he's been far more productive in the NFL than he ever was in the CFL.
 
2012-07-19 02:29:17 PM  
i1182.photobucket.com

Not gonna lie; that was f**king sweet. :D
 
2012-07-19 02:34:20 PM  

IAmRight: Yanks_RSJ: Also, I said nothing of RBs, let alone an out-of-shape pothead who went to the CFL to collect a paycheck while he was suspended from the NFL.

C'mon, he's been far more productive in the NFL than he ever was in the CFL.


Yeah, he has. And what, exactly, does that have to do with anything I've said in this thread?

For the record, he missed two months of his only CFL season with a variety of injuries, and averaged more than 4.8 yards per carry.
 
2012-07-19 02:50:51 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: IAmRight: Yanks_RSJ: Also, I said nothing of RBs, let alone an out-of-shape pothead who went to the CFL to collect a paycheck while he was suspended from the NFL.

C'mon, he's been far more productive in the NFL than he ever was in the CFL.

Yeah, he has. And what, exactly, does that have to do with anything I've said in this thread?

For the record, he missed two months of his only CFL season with a variety of injuries, and averaged more than 4.8 yards per carry.


An average of 47.8 yards per game for the 11 he played in. The point is if an NFL star is a far superior athlete, he should be able to routinely put up 150 yard plus games. Ricky Williams was a great running back, just not a great CFL running back. His style of play didn't fit a CFL style.
 
2012-07-19 02:51:45 PM  
I'll give the dude credit: He didn't even look winded after the 150+ yards (including lateral movement) that he ran...
 
2012-07-19 02:51:49 PM  
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2012-07-19 02:56:01 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: An average of 47.8 yards per game for the 11 he played in. The point is if an NFL star is a far superior athlete, he should be able to routinely put up 150 yard plus games.


Not if he's only given the fewer than 10 times per game.
 
2012-07-19 02:57:23 PM  

IAmRight: Also, great QBs in the NFL complete around 70% of their passes, so 75% isn't much of a stretch.


Really? Maybe in a standout game, or postseason, but not over an extended period:

List of gridiron football quarterbacks passing statistics (CFL AND NFL combined)
 
2012-07-19 02:58:55 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Yeah, he has. And what, exactly, does that have to do with anything I've said in this thread?


Nothing, really, it just accentuates my argument that the two sports are different and it's silly to compare the two - I mean, no one at the top of their game is going to quit the NFL voluntarily to go make 1/10 (if that) of the money, so we'll never really know how well other people would do in the CFL. But the rules are different enough that you can't just compare them.

I'll bring up, say, Kurt Warner of the AFL, who was a pretty good AFL QB but was even better in the NFL. It's a matter of strengths and weaknesses and the best are going to be the best anywhere, but for those who are mediocre in the NFL, some strengths are going to translate well to the CFL game and some aren't. That doesn't mean the CFL is so much worse, it means that their weaknesses don't matter in a different game.

4.8 YPC doesn't do much good when you only have two chances to get a first down. Also, everything is more spread out and players are smaller, so it should be easier to gain yards rushing, right?

Dammit this reminded me that I got stuck with him in an ESPN league because I had to autodraft that year and the internet sucked in Iraq and for some f*cking reason ESPN still had him at the top of their draft boards even though he'd already been suspended for the year. I've refused to play ESPN fantasy sports ever since. Wound up with him and two WRs everyone knew were injured as my top picks.
 
2012-07-19 03:02:00 PM  

fo_sho!: Really? Maybe in a standout game, or postseason, but not over an extended period:


Brees was at 72% last season. Rodgers was around 68% after being over 70% for a significant period of time as well.

This isn't a decade ago where 60% completions was fantastic. Now it's pretty mediocre, depending on offense/YPA. Tarvaris Jackson completed 60.2 percent of his passes in the NFL.
 
2012-07-19 03:03:33 PM  

Resolute: Probably because Rider fans are sore winners. But given the franchise has mostly done nothing but lose for 70 years, it stands to reason you haven't figured out how to win with class. Or lose with class. Or behave with class.


For the record, most Rider fans are as classy and respectful as they come. The majority of season ticket holders are middle-aged farmers who watch the game, have one beer and head home. It's when you get into the crappy seats that you encounter the University of Regina douchebag drunks who probably won't even remember who won the next day. But that's to be expected in a place like "the city that smells like it sounds".

Resolute: //11-29-2009 nevar forget


We're over it.
 
2012-07-19 03:04:52 PM  
I'm going to the Stamps/Riders game tonight. The temperature is going to be in the low 80s. The beer is going to be cold. The crowd is going to be loud, filled with travelling Riders fans and Stamps fans telling them to shut it. My season tickets cost me $40 each a game, and I park for $8 at the nearby university.

Live competitive football in July and August. There's no point in arguing with idiot Americans about how the CFL is an inferior minor league. I'm going to have a blast tonight while they watch Nascar reruns. I win.
 
2012-07-19 03:07:09 PM  

Brokenseas: I'm going to the Stamps/Riders game tonight. The temperature is going to be in the low 80s. The beer is going to be cold. The crowd is going to be loud, filled with travelling Riders fans and Stamps fans telling them to shut it. My season tickets cost me $40 each a game, and I park for $8 at the nearby university.

Live competitive football in July and August. There's no point in arguing with idiot Americans about how the CFL is an inferior minor league. I'm going to have a blast tonight while they watch Nascar reruns. I win.


Amen. Have a great one.
 
2012-07-19 03:07:36 PM  
Go Stamps!

But only when Bo Levi is playing.
 
2012-07-19 03:08:24 PM  
I call traveling. Not once did he dribble the ball.
 
2012-07-19 03:11:02 PM  

ndubyaj: Resolute: Probably because Rider fans are sore winners. But given the franchise has mostly done nothing but lose for 70 years, it stands to reason you haven't figured out how to win with class. Or lose with class. Or behave with class.

For the record, most Rider fans are as classy and respectful as they come. The majority of season ticket holders are middle-aged farmers who watch the game, have one beer and head home. It's when you get into the crappy seats that you encounter the University of Regina douchebag drunks who probably won't even remember who won the next day. But that's to be expected in a place like "the city that smells like it sounds".


Probably true. My experience with Rider fans is in Calgary and Edmonton, where those U of R douchebags came to get jobs.
 
2012-07-19 03:18:32 PM  

Brokenseas: I'm going to the Stamps/Riders game tonight. The temperature is going to be in the low 80s. The beer is going to be cold. The crowd is going to be loud, filled with travelling Riders fans and Stamps fans telling them to shut it. My season tickets cost me $40 each a game, and I park for $8 at the nearby university.

Live competitive football in July and August. There's no point in arguing with idiot Americans about how the CFL is an inferior minor league. I'm going to have a blast tonight while they watch Nascar reruns. I win.


cflhq.ca

I'll just leave this here...
 
2012-07-19 03:22:35 PM  

IAmRight: fo_sho!: Really? Maybe in a standout game, or postseason, but not over an extended period:

Brees was at 72% last season. Rodgers was around 68% after being over 70% for a significant period of time as well.

This isn't a decade ago where 60% completions was fantastic. Now it's pretty mediocre, depending on offense/YPA. Tarvaris Jackson completed 60.2 percent of his passes in the NFL.


Yes but he set the NFL record for completion % with 71.2%! It's not like 70% is exactly a common number - only 5 guys have EVER broken it for a season in the NFL:

Link
 
2012-07-19 03:32:15 PM  

fo_sho!: Yes but he set the NFL record for completion % with 71.2%! It's not like 70% is exactly a common number - only 5 guys have EVER broken it for a season in the NFL:


I said the top guys, not everyone in the league. Every passing record has been set within the past couple of years.
 
2012-07-19 04:24:23 PM  
Go Riders!!

www.totalfootballstats.com

Wait... what?
 
2012-07-19 04:26:47 PM  

Resolute: ndubyaj: Resolute: Probably because Rider fans are sore winners. But given the franchise has mostly done nothing but lose for 70 years, it stands to reason you haven't figured out how to win with class. Or lose with class. Or behave with class.

For the record, most Rider fans are as classy and respectful as they come. The majority of season ticket holders are middle-aged farmers who watch the game, have one beer and head home. It's when you get into the crappy seats that you encounter the University of Regina douchebag drunks who probably won't even remember who won the next day. But that's to be expected in a place like "the city that smells like it sounds".


Probably true. My experience with Rider fans is in Calgary and Edmonton, where those U of R douchebags came to get jobs.


Let me just say, as a U or R alum . . . every time I've been in a brouhaha at a Riders game, it was caused by some asshole from the U of S. Or a Calgarian. Or my girlfriend. Or Dan Farthing.
 
2012-07-19 04:31:23 PM  

Old Huntstein: Resolute: ndubyaj: Resolute: Probably because Rider fans are sore winners. But given the franchise has mostly done nothing but lose for 70 years, it stands to reason you haven't figured out how to win with class. Or lose with class. Or behave with class.

For the record, most Rider fans are as classy and respectful as they come. The majority of season ticket holders are middle-aged farmers who watch the game, have one beer and head home. It's when you get into the crappy seats that you encounter the University of Regina douchebag drunks who probably won't even remember who won the next day. But that's to be expected in a place like "the city that smells like it sounds".


Probably true. My experience with Rider fans is in Calgary and Edmonton, where those U of R douchebags came to get jobs.

Let me just say, as a U or R alum . . . every time I've been in a brouhaha at a Riders game, it was caused by some asshole from the U of S. Or a Calgarian. Or my girlfriend. Or Dan Farthing.


Dan Farthing has been waiting 26 minutes for you to get to the gym. What's taking so long?

/U of S grad
//Now Calgarian
///Not your girlfriend.
 
2012-07-19 04:37:03 PM  
This is why the NFL moved the goalpost back.

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