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(Time)   The US military enjoys sex, violence, and sexual violence   (battleland.blogs.time.com) divider line 157
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2012-07-18 11:50:54 PM  


Conservatively, I estimate that there are about 2,200 male-male rapes among service members each year. Despite its prevalence, male-male rape in the military is almost never discussed in public, and that silence reveals a lot about how the military and the public think about masculinity.



Que?
 
2012-07-19 12:10:24 AM  

doglover: Conservatively, I estimate that there are about 2,200 male-male rapes among service members each year. Despite its prevalence, male-male rape in the military is almost never discussed in public, and that silence reveals a lot about how the military and the public think about masculinity.



Que?


No shiat. I'd like to see some basis for those numbers.

By my conservative estimates, this guy gargles two gallons of horse jizz everyday.
 
2012-07-19 12:13:51 AM  

SchlingFocker: By my conservative estimates, this guy gargles two gallons of horse jizz everyday.


iambrony.steeph.tp-radio.de
 
2012-07-19 12:34:30 AM  
50 shades of Hoo-rah.
 
2012-07-19 12:38:35 AM  

Ambivalence: 50 shades of Hoo-rah.


"The drill sergeant held my hand as we crossed the street. It was the first time anyone had ever held my hand before. That's when I knew I loved him. Then he kicked me in the thorax and told me to keep my guard up, maggot, or I'd be on latrine duty for the next six weeks. "
 
2012-07-19 02:01:37 AM  
Sex and violence?
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-07-19 02:17:11 AM  
Meh, systematic across most armed forces...

eg. http://www.defence.gov.au/culturereviews/Docs/DLAPiper/
 
2012-07-19 02:30:14 AM  
Oversexed, overpaid and over here.

Oh, you mean today's military. I was talking about Grandpa
 
2012-07-19 04:26:59 AM  
Sex and violence have gone hand in hand since the dawn of time. Nothing gets a man hornier than a near-death experience.
 
2012-07-19 04:29:01 AM  
Subby, you didn't say rape, not even once...
 
2012-07-19 04:30:42 AM  
Do ask. He'll tell.
 
2012-07-19 04:33:09 AM  
I live in an area where there are a lot of military families. When ever the husband is away on duty I pork the wife. Best part is is that if the wife complains I ask them: "Do you want to have the crap beaten out of you by me or your husband?"
 
2012-07-19 04:33:12 AM  
A bunch of kids, away from home, and under stress. shiat is going to happen. It isn't right, and should be addressed/punished, but I don't think you can stop a certain percentage of these guys from going to far with the shenanigans.
 
2012-07-19 04:35:00 AM  
So, these pawns are not only baby killers they are farggots too. Nice.
 
2012-07-19 04:41:00 AM  
"Oh whoa, when there's only silence,
I need sexual violence"

I LOVE that song! Marvin Gaye was a genius.
 
2012-07-19 04:49:44 AM  
Time is actually still published?
 
2012-07-19 04:53:13 AM  
Typical Californian, ivory tower, PC drivel. Not that I disagree with his points, but his statements are sweeping, his choice of words makes every hair on my back stand up straight, and the veneration of his own set of symbols makes his words totally ironic.
 
2012-07-19 04:57:58 AM  
Join the navy! Three square meals a day and all the involuntary gay sex you can cram in below deck.
 
2012-07-19 04:58:56 AM  

JerkyMeat: So, these pawns are...


Congrats. Shiattiest comment/most effective troll (and so pithy!) I've ever seen in a decade on Fark.
 
2012-07-19 05:03:05 AM  
The first time I tried to go to this page, I got redirected to one of those scareware things saying I have viruses. Norton caught it, but still, it shouldn't have happened to start with.
 
2012-07-19 05:06:23 AM  
the navy wives of san diego get lonely during west pac.

i'm glad i was there for them
 
2012-07-19 05:12:29 AM  

Sir_Spanksalot: Join the navy! Three square meals a day and all the involuntary gay sex you can cram in below deck.


Sodomy, rum, and the lash.

But in the US Navy, the last two are illegal.
 
2012-07-19 05:17:17 AM  

Omahawg: the navy wives of san diego get lonely during west pac.

i'm glad i was there for them


failblog.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-07-19 05:20:30 AM  
doglover: But in the US Navy, the last two are.

Nah, the Lash falls under sodomy now. You'd be surprised how many sailors like it.
 
2012-07-19 05:22:20 AM  
Subby forgot violent sex.
 
2012-07-19 05:31:31 AM  

Boatmech: Omahawg: the navy wives of san diego get lonely during west pac.

i'm glad i was there for them

[failblog.files.wordpress.com image 500x395]


Oh, snap.
 
2012-07-19 05:31:42 AM  

BronyMedic: doglover: But in the US Navy, the last two are.

Nah, the Lash falls under sodomy now. You'd be surprised how many sailors like it.


But they don't get rum rations that I've heard and officers can't hand down the Captain's Daughter as punishment like they used to.
 
2012-07-19 05:31:56 AM  

Coming on a Bicycle: Typical Californian, ivory tower, PC drivel. Not that I disagree with his points, but his statements are sweeping, his choice of words makes every hair on my back stand up straight, and the veneration of his own set of symbols makes his words totally ironic.


So ... he's right, but ... what he says is "PC drivel." How's that cognitive dissonance working for you?

Oh, is "cognitive dissonance" too ivory tower for you? Sorry.
 
2012-07-19 05:35:46 AM  
This is the biggest load of shiat I've read in a while. 20 years on the military and I never saw any evidence to support any of the things this moron claims. I would refute his points but it's just not worth my time.
 
2012-07-19 05:45:17 AM  

Boatmech: Omahawg: the navy wives of san diego get lonely during west pac.

i'm glad i was there for them

[failblog.files.wordpress.com image 500x395]


Funny, but the moron who did that has obviously never heard of mid tour leave.
 
2012-07-19 05:53:52 AM  
 
2012-07-19 05:59:30 AM  

mikewadestr: I live in an area where there are a lot of military families. When ever the husband is away on duty I pork the wife. Best part is is that if the wife complains I ask them: "Do you want to have the crap beaten out of you by me or your husband?"


Goddamn you are a reprehensible troll. And we all know damned well you're lying.
 
2012-07-19 05:59:54 AM  

Coming on a Bicycle: Typical Californian, ivory tower, PC drivel. Not that I disagree with his points, but his statements are sweeping, his choice of words makes every hair on my back stand up straight, and the veneration of his own set of symbols makes his words totally ironic.


Let's be fair. he probably assessed the liklihood of writing about these subjects without pissing somebody off, realized he couldn't, and didn't bother to try.
These are not subjects you can discuss without pissing people off. These truths cast shadows on the false mental images they cherish.
Of course the article is offensive - how could it not be?
 
2012-07-19 06:04:00 AM  
HotWingAgenda
Boatmech: Omahawg:
the navy wives of san diego get lonely during west pac.

i'm glad i was there for them

[failblog.files.wordpress.com image 500x395]

Oh, snap.


[party-pooper]
More like fail-fail since the caption doesn't say anything about a wife or a spouse or that there's a relationship between that boy and the belly...
[/party-pooper]
 
2012-07-19 06:06:14 AM  

jso2897: These truths cast shadows on the false mental images they cherish.


I don't see any truths in the article.

I see things that might sound like they could be true, with a large amount of conjecture, but with no citations or data to back up his opinion.
 
2012-07-19 06:12:06 AM  
If any good looking marines want to rape me, apply within.
 
2012-07-19 06:17:55 AM  

The Voice of Doom: HotWingAgenda
Boatmech: Omahawg: the navy wives of san diego get lonely during west pac.

i'm glad i was there for them

[failblog.files.wordpress.com image 500x395]

Oh, snap.

[party-pooper]
More like fail-fail since the caption doesn't say anything about a wife or a spouse or that there's a relationship between that boy and the belly...
[/party-pooper]


Meh,i206.photobucket.comjust say'n
r27.imgfast.net
 
2012-07-19 06:23:17 AM  

SchlingFocker: jso2897: These truths cast shadows on the false mental images they cherish.

I don't see any truths in the article.

I see things that might sound like they could be true, with a large amount of conjecture, but with no citations or data to back up his opinion.


It's one side of the truth. If it was purely false, and everybody knew it, no one would be upset. Patent falsehoods evoke laughter - anger only comes from unpleasant truths.
people have trouble with necessary evils. When they find themselves saddled with something by necessity, they feel compelled to somehow glorify it or make it out to be a good - and that is what we do with the military.
The reality is that the military is not a grand, glorious, bold, noble enterprise. It is an institution whose function is to kill people and break things. We try to dress it up with touching speeches, and flags and meadls and parades - but it's really just a bunch of hairless, killer apes being killer apes.
We need to have a military if our society is to survive, and societies must survive if Man's slow, gradual betterment is to continue. But our attempts to glorify the enterprise lead to inevitable cognitve dissonance.
Of course, those who wish to disbelieve the rather obvious (to any halfway aware person who has ever been in the military) observations in this article will dismiss them as made-up lies -- it's predictable primate behavior.
 
2012-07-19 06:24:18 AM  

ciberido: Coming on a Bicycle: Typical Californian, ivory tower, PC drivel. Not that I disagree with his points, but his statements are sweeping, his choice of words makes every hair on my back stand up straight, and the veneration of his own set of symbols makes his words totally ironic.

So ... he's right, but ... what he says is "PC drivel." How's that cognitive dissonance working for you?

Oh, is "cognitive dissonance" too ivory tower for you? Sorry.


He's right that the armed forces run along with forces of acceptance in society, and that in general, closed groups with strong hierarchies tend to have all sorts of issues. He's stupid in trying to derive 'meaning' from that. He's completely off-his-rocker wrong for assuming that the armed forces are somehow unique in this respect. He's blind to the fact that he replaces society's set of venerated symbols (the military) with his own set of venerated symbols ('impermeability of the soldiers body' and whatnot). And he's bloody, bloody irritating for wrapping all of that up in some sort of Marcusian expose, with ditto language.
 
2012-07-19 06:25:57 AM  

jso2897: Coming on a Bicycle: Typical Californian, ivory tower, PC drivel. Not that I disagree with his points, but his statements are sweeping, his choice of words makes every hair on my back stand up straight, and the veneration of his own set of symbols makes his words totally ironic.

Let's be fair. he probably assessed the liklihood of writing about these subjects without pissing somebody off, realized he couldn't, and didn't bother to try.
These are not subjects you can discuss without pissing people off. These truths cast shadows on the false mental images they cherish.
Of course the article is offensive - how could it not be?


Pissing someone off because you're having a point - Ok. Pissing someone off because you're just writing hollow drivel - meh.
 
2012-07-19 06:27:43 AM  
... and TWINS!
 
2012-07-19 06:29:53 AM  

jso2897: If it was purely false, and everybody knew it, no one would be upset.


I ain't even mad.

I just think he should be able to put forth some hard data and citations proving his assertion that the military produces a higher rate of sexual assaults and violence than found in society at large.
 
2012-07-19 06:33:00 AM  
Wow, you mean that men (maybe women too, i dunno) who are sent to kill people in a faraway place, with no outlet for sexual urges, resort to violent means of attaining sex? Whodathunkit. Not to excuse rape but it's been that way for at least 5000 years. How about recognizing the huge human cost of war and only do it as a last resort. Or we could all forget about this, as we always seem to, and engage in some bullshiat war for some slight geo-political advantage/perceived transgression.
/war is hell
 
2012-07-19 06:34:51 AM  
Americanization of Emily

May be ministers and generals who blunder us into wars, but the least the rest of us can do is to resist honoring the institution. What has my mother got for pretending bravery was admirable? She's under constant sedation and terrified she may wake up one morning and find her last son has run off to be brave.


// Veteran
 
2012-07-19 06:45:56 AM  

Coming on a Bicycle: jso2897: Coming on a Bicycle: Typical Californian, ivory tower, PC drivel. Not that I disagree with his points, but his statements are sweeping, his choice of words makes every hair on my back stand up straight, and the veneration of his own set of symbols makes his words totally ironic.

Let's be fair. he probably assessed the liklihood of writing about these subjects without pissing somebody off, realized he couldn't, and didn't bother to try.
These are not subjects you can discuss without pissing people off. These truths cast shadows on the false mental images they cherish.
Of course the article is offensive - how could it not be?

Pissing someone off because you're having a point - Ok. Pissing someone off because you're just writing hollow drivel - meh.


I don't dispute that the article is rife with theoretical nonsense - but let's also not pretend that the problem he is discussing is imaginary - it is not, by any means.

SchlingFocker: jso2897: If it was purely false, and everybody knew it, no one would be upset.

I ain't even mad.

I just think he should be able to put forth some hard data and citations proving his assertion that the military produces a higher rate of sexual assaults and violence than found in society at large.


Well, since it is a fact well known to everyone, including military leaders who are trying to do things to remedy it, he probably didn't figure anybody was clueless enough to dispute it. His theories strike me as absurd - but the basic phenomenon he is discussing is common knowledge. This has always been the case, and with all militaries in history. Raping and pillaging are part of what armies do, and sometimes they get confused and do it to their own. Need we also establish that the sky is blue before the discussion can proceed?
 
2012-07-19 06:53:29 AM  

jso2897: Well, since it is a fact well known to everyone, including military leaders who are trying to do things to remedy it, he probably didn't figure anybody was clueless enough to dispute it.


It's known that rape and violence occurs in the military?

Sure.

Does rape and violence among military members exist at a higher rate than in society, as he seems to suggest?? He's offered no evidence of that.

Military leaders are working to end it because it exists. They want to hold the military to a higher standard than society at large.
 
2012-07-19 06:59:30 AM  

SchlingFocker: jso2897: Well, since it is a fact well known to everyone, including military leaders who are trying to do things to remedy it, he probably didn't figure anybody was clueless enough to dispute it.

It's known that rape and violence occurs in the military?

Sure.

Does rape and violence among military members exist at a higher rate than in society, as he seems to suggest?? He's offered no evidence of that.

Military leaders are working to end it because it exists. They want to hold the military to a higher standard than society at large.


The statistical evidence supporting it would fill a hundred pages, and are not necessary for the purposes of TFA. Should every article about teenagers texting a lot begin with a ream of facts and figures proving that teenagers text a lot? Under your rather exacting "standard", ordinary editorial journalism would get a bit complicated - and lengthy.
Do you really believe that, unique in all the world, and all history, the U.S. military does NOT experience higher that normal rates of sexual violence in it's ranks? It is, after all, you who are challenging the author. Can you cite any facts that would support YOUR position?
 
2012-07-19 07:01:40 AM  
methinks this hack is passing off a personal fantasy as reality
 
2012-07-19 07:06:19 AM  

jso2897: The statistical evidence supporting it would fill a hundred pages


Any links to to these reams of data?
 
2012-07-19 07:06:28 AM  

jso2897: SchlingFocker: jso2897: Well, since it is a fact well known to everyone, including military leaders who are trying to do things to remedy it, he probably didn't figure anybody was clueless enough to dispute it.

It's known that rape and violence occurs in the military?

Sure.

Does rape and violence among military members exist at a higher rate than in society, as he seems to suggest?? He's offered no evidence of that.

Military leaders are working to end it because it exists. They want to hold the military to a higher standard than society at large.

The statistical evidence supporting it would fill a hundred pages, and are not necessary for the purposes of TFA. Should every article about teenagers texting a lot begin with a ream of facts and figures proving that teenagers text a lot? Under your rather exacting "standard", ordinary editorial journalism would get a bit complicated - and lengthy.
Do you really believe that, unique in all the world, and all history, the U.S. military does NOT experience higher that normal rates of sexual violence in it's ranks? It is, after all, you who are challenging the author. Can you cite any facts that would support YOUR position?


I was interested in the civilian/military rates as well; it looks complicated...haven't had my coffee yet:

http://www.answers.com/topic/rape-by-military-personnel
 
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