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2012-07-19 09:40:07 AM
Sir_Spanksalot: Join the navy! Three square meals a day and all the involuntary gay sex you can cram in below deck.

hinthunt.co.uk
 
2012-07-19 09:45:00 AM
Just coming in to say you should never watch shows that mix sex with violence in any way. That kind of conditioning - mixing the pleasure of enjoying a show with sex and violence on said show - can escalate into really dangerous, degrading behavior. This is not from personal experience, as I find pain extremely objectionable, but from knowledge of basic psychology. If you're doing that now, you should stop immediately.

/dnrtfa
 
2012-07-19 09:47:16 AM
i.imgur.com

Sex is violent...
 
2012-07-19 09:48:11 AM
doglover: Conservatively, I estimate that there are about 2,200 male-male rapes among service members each year. Despite its prevalence, male-male rape in the military is almost never discussed in public, and that silence reveals a lot about how the military and the public think about masculinity.



Que?


Back when I was in the Army, I remember getting farked in the ass on a daily basis.

I hated, HATED, burning shiat barrels.

www.justanothersoldier.com
 
2012-07-19 09:54:36 AM
varmitydog: A professor of political science at San Francisco State University, he founded and directs the Palm Center, a think tank that conducts research into gender and military issues that is part of the UCLA law school.

This guys job is to conduct sexual studies for a think tank that he has named the palm center.
It really lessens the credibility of his study to find out that this wanker lawyer is a professional troll.


Did the author even serve in the military?
 
2012-07-19 09:56:44 AM
omnibus_necanda_sunt: mikewadestr: I live in an area where there are a lot of military families. When ever the husband is away on duty I pork the wife. Best part is is that if the wife complains I ask them: "Do you want to have the crap beaten out of you by me or your husband?"

Goddamn you are a reprehensible troll. And we all know damned well you're lying.


Maybe about the beating part, but I bet not about porking the wives/girlfriends. The freaks come out at night once the hubby is away for a bit on TDA.

Link
 
2012-07-19 09:56:57 AM
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2012-07-19 02:17:11 AM


Meh, systematic across most armed forces the human population...

I dont know why people act shocked that a group full of everyday people act like a group of every day people.
 
2012-07-19 10:02:33 AM
omnibus_necanda_sunt: mikewadestr: I live in an area where there are a lot of military families. When ever the husband is away on duty I pork the wife. Best part is is that if the wife complains I ask them: "Do you want to have the crap beaten out of you by me or your husband?"

Goddamn you are a reprehensible troll. And we all know damned well you're lying.


He's only half trolling at best. Often you'll find military wives hitting the club a day after the hubby leaves for deployment. Don't ask me how I know.
 
2012-07-19 10:11:43 AM
I want to make violent love to you.

and FTA: Conservatively, I estimate that there are about 2,200 male-male rapes among service members each year.

No there aren't. There are a handful and they get reported. It ain't like prison where there's no other outlet for the sexual violence. Men raping the women soldiers and civilians, and male servicemen beating up their wives? Sure, and probably at a higher prevalence than the rest of society, but that man-rape estimate's just his delicious man-love fantasy.
 
2012-07-19 10:14:02 AM
Boatmech: The Voice of Doom: HotWingAgenda
Boatmech: Omahawg: the navy wives of san diego get lonely during west pac.

i'm glad i was there for them

[failblog.files.wordpress.com image 500x395]

Oh, snap.

[party-pooper]
More like fail-fail since the caption doesn't say anything about a wife or a spouse or that there's a relationship between that boy and the belly...
[/party-pooper]

Meh,[i206.photobucket.com image 300x280]just say'n
[r27.imgfast.net image 24x24]


Guys on a 1-year tour get a two-week R&R in the middle of it. So he could have taken care of bidness during that.
 
2012-07-19 10:20:52 AM
liam76: There is this bit, "Consider former Justice Sanda Day O'Connor's decision in Grutter v. Bollinger, a 2003 case in which retired military leaders urged the court to uphold the constitutionality of affirmative action. Justice O'Connor wrote that if affirmative action is a good idea for the military, it must be appropriate for the rest of the country.

I support affirmative action. But when this kind of militarist thinking permeates civilian society"

He misses the boat here in thinking this is "militarist thinking". If affirmative action works (and I don't think it does) in an organization where performance is that important (life or death) then it works in more mundane, less intense fields.


There's a more cynical motive to assert -- why wouldn't the military be interested in being allowed to continue disproportionately recruiting from a population that was imported and bred for hundreds of years specifically to be dumb, strong, and to follow orders unquestioningly?
 
2012-07-19 10:24:35 AM
Coming on a Bicycle: Typical Californian, ivory tower, PC drivel. Not that I disagree with his points, but his statements are sweeping, his choice of words makes every hair on my back stand up straight, and the veneration of his own set of symbols makes his words totally ironic.

FTA: " he founded and directs the Palm Center..."

I guess that tells us what his preferred alternative to sexual violence is!
 
2012-07-19 10:25:02 AM
This text is now purple: liam76: There is this bit, "Consider former Justice Sanda Day O'Connor's decision in Grutter v. Bollinger, a 2003 case in which retired military leaders urged the court to uphold the constitutionality of affirmative action. Justice O'Connor wrote that if affirmative action is a good idea for the military, it must be appropriate for the rest of the country.

I support affirmative action. But when this kind of militarist thinking permeates civilian society"

He misses the boat here in thinking this is "militarist thinking". If affirmative action works (and I don't think it does) in an organization where performance is that important (life or death) then it works in more mundane, less intense fields.

There's a more cynical motive to assert -- why wouldn't the military be interested in being allowed to continue disproportionately recruiting from a population that was imported and bred for hundreds of years specifically to be dumb, strong, and to follow orders unquestioningly?


up-ship.com
 
2012-07-19 10:29:47 AM
Boatmech: The Voice of Doom: HotWingAgenda
Boatmech: Omahawg: the navy wives of san diego get lonely during west pac.

i'm glad i was there for them

[failblog.files.wordpress.com image 500x395]

Oh, snap.

[party-pooper]
More like fail-fail since the caption doesn't say anything about a wife or a spouse or that there's a relationship between that boy and the belly...
[/party-pooper]

Meh,[i206.photobucket.com image 300x280]just say'n
[r27.imgfast.net image 24x24]


You know, deployed personnel get 2 weeks R&R with their family...
 
2012-07-19 10:31:04 AM
JackieRabbit: Sorry friend, but you don't know what you are talking about. The shocking stat you quote is pure bullshiat. If one has a "history" of sexual assault - by which I suppose you mean having committed the crime - one will probably have a criminal record. Felony convictions disqualify one from joining the military.

No, it was a survey of men entering the military asking them if they had ever performed a list of acts which would be defined as sexual assault. These are men who self-identified as having committed assault.
 
2012-07-19 10:31:44 AM
JackieRabbit: SharkTrager: I think it's funny that people are assuming the guy is wrong because he has an agenda.

I was reading an article last week about another author who had written on rape in the military. The most shocking stat was that men joining the military are some 3x more likely to have had a history of sexual assault than the general population. This kind of trashes the idea that joining the military or going to war changes the men. It just makes it easier to do what they have a history of doing anyway.

As for the gay rape... Look at how many soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines we have. 2,200 is probably a low number. Male rape is a lot more common that you guys want to admit, and men are much less likely to report it, inside or outside the military.

Sorry friend, but you don't know what you are talking about. The shocking stat you quote is pure bullshiat. If one has a "history" of sexual assault - by which I suppose you mean having committed the crime - one will probably have a criminal record. Felony convictions disqualify one from joining the military.

Go join the military and you will see for yourself that these sort of exposes are either politically motivated or written by people who just hate the military.


I'd like to see the numbers for frat houses or college dorms.
 
2012-07-19 10:35:52 AM
We should replace all troops with drones. They may accidentally kill you, but at least they won't rape you or themselves, and that's progress.
 
2012-07-19 10:41:53 AM
Omahawg: the navy wives of san diego get lonely during west pac.

i'm glad i was there for them


I hope for your sake that they were better looking than the Bremerton Navy Wives near where I grew up.

/The Bremalo!
//full body shudder
 
2012-07-19 10:44:16 AM
SharkTrager: I think it's funny that people are assuming the guy is wrong because he has an agenda.

I was reading an article last week about another author who had written on rape in the military. The most shocking stat was that men joining the military are some 3x more likely to have had a historyof sexual assault than the general population. This kind of trashes the idea that joining the military or going to war changes the men. It just makes it easier to do what they have a history of doing anyway.


What? That's like saying "people that go to AA are 10x more likely to have a history of alcohol abuse. Which trashes the idea that going to AA helps anyone." Wouldn't a more accurate measure be to look at sexual assault records of military personnel after they left the military? You can't say joining doesnt change them if you don't provide a metric to measure them after they have joined.
 
2012-07-19 11:06:19 AM
i206.photobucket.com

Is it not common knowledge that there's typically a two week leave time frame in the middle of deployments that long? Well, there are. The baby could legitimately be his.

She's big bellied for six months, but if she had one kid already, that could also make sense. 12 month deployment doesn't mean he's actually been gone for 12 consecutive months.
 
2012-07-19 11:09:44 AM
ohokyeah: She's big bellied for six months, but if she had one kid already, that could also make sense. 12 month deployment doesn't mean he's actually been gone for 12 consecutive months.

Plus, she looks somewhat Hispanic.

You can just show them a picture of a dick and they'll get pregnant.
 
2012-07-19 11:17:28 AM
Mr. Breeze: Boatmech: The Voice of Doom: HotWingAgenda
Boatmech: Omahawg: the navy wives of san diego get lonely during west pac.

i'm glad i was there for them

[failblog.files.wordpress.com image 500x395]

Oh, snap.


[party-pooper]
More like fail-fail since the caption doesn't say anything about a wife or a spouse or that there's a relationship between that boy and the belly...
[/party-pooper]

Meh,[i206.photobucket.com image 300x280]just say'n
[r27.imgfast.net image 24x24]

You know, deployed personnel get 2 weeks R&R with their family...


www.forgetfoo.com

You know, that joke has been around so long I'm tempted to troll you sanctimonious asshats.
Since I'm busy -

r27.imgfast.net


/pause it for LOLs
 
2012-07-19 11:28:10 AM
Meanwhile at the Recruiting Post:

files.myfrogbag.com
 
2012-07-19 11:30:12 AM
Hey JackieRabbit, the plural of "anecdote" isn't "data". While that might have been your experience, I trust military-wide DOD reports a little more than your say-so.
 
2012-07-19 11:45:49 AM
Coming on a Bicycle: He's blind to the fact that he replaces society's set of venerated symbols (the military) with his own set of venerated symbols ('impermeability of the soldiers body' and whatnot). And he's bloody, bloody irritating for wrapping all of that up in some sort of Marcusian expose, with ditto language.

I think the real problem here is that you used the word "drivel" in an inconceivable fashion, which gave me the impression you were simultaneously claiming he was wrong and admitting he was right. I must count the fingers on your hand more carefully in the future.
 
2012-07-19 11:46:09 AM
As a military spouse, the things I hear about happening every single day as part of the normal workspace, through multiple units and stations over the last decade, often make me cringe. The environment is almost unbelievable in terms of sexual harassment according to society's current (and, granted, over inflated) standards. My HR department in the real world would have a collective seizure of epic proportions if they had a clue what is "normal" in the military.

Some people may have a different experience, but a good portion of the (seemingly many) people who disagree with the above simply have no idea what the actual standard in the non-military workplace is these days.

Author is still an idiot.
 
2012-07-19 11:52:32 AM
ordinarysteve: Wow, you mean that men (maybe women too, i dunno) who are sent to kill people in a faraway place, with no outlet for sexual urges, resort to violent means of attaining sex? Whodathunkit.

First, off, inasmuch as you're going along with the whole "men commit rape because they really, really want sex and can't get it any other way" paradigm, no. Just stop. Read some books about rape, or even just a Wikipedia article or something if you're lazy, then come back.

Second, it isn't even true that they have "no outlet for sexual urges" anyway. It's a ridiculous thing to say under the best of circumstances, but specifically since the article is mostly about male-male rape, you're positing that in the military, which is primarily composed of healthy, fit men, a gay man has "no outlet" to find other healthy, fit, gay men to have sex with? Seriously?
 
2012-07-19 12:09:51 PM
ohokyeah: [i206.photobucket.com image 430x402]

Is it not common knowledge that there's typically a two week leave time frame in the middle of deployments that long? Well, there are. The baby could legitimately be his.

She's big bellied for six months, but if she had one kid already, that could also make sense. 12 month deployment doesn't mean he's actually been gone for 12 consecutive months.


what if they aren't married but are gay??

and the whole world is an illusion based on the matrix??
 
2012-07-19 12:15:03 PM
liam76: I just have a hard time acceptingt he figures froma guy who hasn't backed them up with anything and has outright admitted he wasn't completely honest in the past for his political aganda.

If you think a 0.075% incidence rate is an inflated number for male/male rape in a population of 3M peopl under te age of 35, then, well, I don't know what to say. The documented male/female rape stats for a similar population (university students) is a 4.7%, or about 66 times higher.

Why in the world does 2,200 male/male rapes across the entire US armed forces of 3M people seem high to you? If anything, it seems low.
 
2012-07-19 12:22:27 PM
profplump: PunGent: I was interested in the civilian/military rates as well; it looks complicated...haven't had my coffee yet:

http://www.answers.com/topic/rape-by-military-personnel

SchlingFocker: Couple that with the ideals of teamwork and respect that are the cornerstone of the military, and what some people might consider to be "common knowledge" might not be as accurate as they think.

Complicated or not, you could at least look at something other than 25-year-old peacetime data. The DoD publishes reports on sexual assault, which if biased would presumably be biased in favor of the military.

SARP Annual Reports

I'm not saying the article author isn't a douche, but there are actual facts available for use in this discussion, and they aren't all opposed to the author, even if he did a poor job citing them


Thanks...I'll try to wade through those later, today got busy all of a sudden.

I think I basically agree with your point about the author; my link was from the first legit-looking thing off Google, which WAS quite even-handed, and made the point that the rate goes up and down.

My take, as a current civilian and former Reservist, is that people do bad things, both in and out of uniform.
The current scandal at the Air Force Academy is a good example; as an ARMY reservist, I don't, however, consider the Air Force to be really part of the military :)
 
2012-07-19 12:26:04 PM
SchlingFocker: PunGent: I was interested in the civilian/military rates as well; it looks complicated

It is.

The military is composed of the highest-risk category of people, young males and females with easy access to large quantities of alcohol.

But, the military also works to screen out people whose history would suggest an inclination toward criminal behavior such as rape and assault.

Couple that with the ideals of teamwork and respect that are the cornerstone of the military, and what some people might consider to be "common knowledge" might not be as accurate as they think.


Yep...and young people, of both genders, don't always have outstanding judgement, coupled with a high sex drive.

UCMJ comes down hard on violators of all kinds...which may, paradoxically, lead to some borderline stuff getting swept under the carpet.
 
2012-07-19 12:51:10 PM
If you were in charge, what is the one thing about the U.S. military you would change? Why?

Autor: "I would shrink our military dramatically, because the most significant threats facing our country are not military threats, because Pentagon spending wastes money that should be spent on education and because excessive military strength undermines our security."

The author hates the military and doesn't understand the deterrent factor that the USA military is. Do people not realize the crazy bull that the nutjobs in this world don't even attempt to get away with because the US military would end their dumb a$$?

Is there a problem in the military with sex and rape? Possibly, but probably not worse than the rest of the population. It just is easier to pick out because they are supposed to be more disciplined than the rest of us.
 
2012-07-19 12:57:22 PM
It's rare for me to find so much concentrated idiocy in one person.

The obvious exception would be my teenage sister and her friends.
 
2012-07-19 01:05:04 PM
PunGent: The current scandal at the Air Force Academy

Which scandal is this?
 
2012-07-19 01:08:27 PM
AngryJailhouseFistfark: PunGent: The current scandal at the Air Force Academy

Which scandal is this?


Never mind, found it. Those happened a while ago, but I guess they're just now charging the alleged rapers.
 
2012-07-19 01:17:54 PM
SuwonROKs
higher standards for americans blah blah blah

I don't know if yer ben't because rok and katusa sgt's still spend time 'teaching'
the soldiers how to shower in the great republic of open sewage

but it sounds like yer sympathies should lie elsewhere..like where there is evidence to back up the claims made by this story.
 
2012-07-19 01:25:23 PM
not sure why I added an apostrophe to bent
 
2012-07-19 01:26:06 PM
AngryJailhouseFistfark: AngryJailhouseFistfark: PunGent: The current scandal at the Air Force Academy

Which scandal is this?

Never mind, found it. Those happened a while ago, but I guess they're just now charging the alleged rapers.


Yeah...the problem I had...aside from all the rape...was the Air Force spokesman making his announcements from a PULPIT.

Even if the specific phrase isn't in the Constitution, separation of church and state is a good farking idea, for both the church AND the state.
 
2012-07-19 01:38:33 PM
Prevailing Wind: This text is now purple: liam76: There is this bit, "Consider former Justice Sanda Day O'Connor's decision in Grutter v. Bollinger, a 2003 case in which retired military leaders urged the court to uphold the constitutionality of affirmative action. Justice O'Connor wrote that if affirmative action is a good idea for the military, it must be appropriate for the rest of the country.

I support affirmative action. But when this kind of militarist thinking permeates civilian society"

He misses the boat here in thinking this is "militarist thinking". If affirmative action works (and I don't think it does) in an organization where performance is that important (life or death) then it works in more mundane, less intense fields.

There's a more cynical motive to assert -- why wouldn't the military be interested in being allowed to continue disproportionately recruiting from a population that was imported and bred for hundreds of years specifically to be dumb, strong, and to follow orders unquestioningly?

[up-ship.com image 535x356]


That pic always reminds me of the shape shifters from savage 2.
 
2012-07-19 02:03:52 PM
Babwa Wawa: liam76: I just have a hard time acceptingt he figures froma guy who hasn't backed them up with anything and has outright admitted he wasn't completely honest in the past for his political aganda.

If you think a 0.075% incidence rate is an inflated number for male/male rape in a population of 3M peopl under te age of 35, then, well, I don't know what to say. The documented male/female rape stats for a similar population (university students) is a 4.7%, or about 66 times higher.

Why in the world does 2,200 male/male rapes across the entire US armed forces of 3M people seem high to you? If anything, it seems low.


Because there were only 2,900 sexual assaults reported military wide in a recent year. Sexual assault includes everything from groping to penetration, so forcible rapes are a subset of that number.

There's a very low incidence of male-male dating in the military, because of rules against fraternization, and military personnel on base or in the field generally know the other people they come in contact with. Nobody in the military is a convicted felon, either. Since rapes tend to be between strangers (the classic drag you into an alley kind) or date rape, the risk of male-male rape is lower than it would be in the general population.

The only male-male rapes I've ever heard of in the military (and I've been in the Reserves 28 years and spent several years on active duty, both officer and enlisted) were drunk guys waking up to find some dude performing oral sex on them. Forcible rape no doubt occurs, but it would be difficult to perpetrate except on a barracks roommate (barracks are more like dorms now, with 2-3 enlisted personnel per room).
 
2012-07-19 02:06:20 PM
PunGent: AngryJailhouseFistfark: AngryJailhouseFistfark: PunGent: The current scandal at the Air Force Academy

Which scandal is this?

Never mind, found it. Those happened a while ago, but I guess they're just now charging the alleged rapers.

Yeah...the problem I had...aside from all the rape...was the Air Force spokesman making his announcements from a PULPIT.

Even if the specific phrase isn't in the Constitution, separation of church and state is a good farking idea, for both the church AND the state.


Fundagelical Protestants made a real push in the '80s and '90s to take over the Air Force chaplain corps. The Air Force is just awash in Bible thumpers compared to the other services. There's been some institutional backlash recently, and it's not as bad, but they're still ridiculously churchy.
 
2012-07-19 02:23:37 PM
 
2012-07-19 02:41:14 PM
mbillips: Because there were only 2,900 sexual assaults reported military wide in a recent year. Sexual assault includes everything from groping to penetration, so forcible rapes are a subset of that number.

And therein lies the rub, and where your critics get their data. If there are only 2,900 reported sexual assault cases across a 3M person population of primarily young people, then for some reason sexual assaults are not being reported.

It just doesn't pass the sniff test. You're 5000% less likely to get sexually assaulted in the military? Really? No, more likely you're 500% less likely to get sexually assaulted in the military, and 4500% less likely to report it.

/Yeah, I know the percentages aren't right, but they're to illustrate the point that yes, sexual assault is less prevalent in the military, but it's far more prevalent than is reported.
 
2012-07-19 02:51:12 PM
ReapTheChaos: 20 years on the military and I never saw any evidence to support any of the things this moron claims.

And how much time did you spend looking for it?

SchlingFocker: I just think he should be able to put forth some hard data and citations proving his assertion that the military produces a higher rate of sexual assaults and violence than found in society at large.

He probably can; there's a fair bit in the technical literature.

SchlingFocker: Any links to to these reams of data?

A really fast whack at Google Scholar turns up "Sexual assault in the Military" from "Treating PTSD in Military Personnel: A Clinical Handbook" to support a claim of higher rate of sexual assault.

(doi:10.1177/1534765611430724) indicates 1-3% of male service members and veterans report such "Military sexual trauma" (trauma resulting from physical assault of a sexual nature, battery of a sexual nature, or sexual harassment); I'm not sure what that would work out to as an annual rate. Do you also want citations to support the claim of under-reporting?

There's more than a little, available relatively readily. I suspect the references from Wikipedia's entry on MST and on "Sexual assault in the United States military" might also be a good starting point.

liam76: No source for his male rape claim.

It's an interview. Most people don't give sources in those.
As noted, there's sources which leave that a credible approximation, though with considerable uncertainty.

liam76: I wonder why that could be.

Of course, the question of CAUSE for being so is entirely different from WHETHER it is so.

liam76: I wonder how the military differs fromt he population average in terms of age. I wonder if there is some age group that is more likely to attempt or commit rape?

My quick scan only turned up data for victims, but feel free to go looking for studies to back up your speculation about the distribution of age in sexual assault offenders.

liam76: And nice work moving the goal posts from "population average" to "equivalent civilian population".

Since you're raising the question of age distribution in rapists? Back at you, there.

liam76: His number was "rape", not sexual assault.

A distinction of some legal significance, but not to the essential argument.

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Sure, and probably at a higher prevalence than the rest of society, but that man-rape estimate's just his delicious man-love fantasy based on DOD data

FTFY.
 
2012-07-19 02:52:13 PM
Promnight_Dumpster_Baby: i.imgur.com
[i.imgur.com image 500x417]

Sex is violent...


That's not something I'd care to admit.
-Ted
 
2012-07-19 03:03:24 PM
abb3w: It's an interview. Most people don't give sources in those.

And that was one small part of my critique, but have fun with the rest of your drive by cherry picking.
 
2012-07-19 03:15:50 PM
Reyvacs: My HR department in the real world would have a collective seizure of epic proportions if they had a clue what is "normal" in the military.

Most HR units would have a collective seizure if they had employees whose job description involved killing people.
 
2012-07-19 03:47:00 PM
ciberido: ordinarysteve: Wow, you mean that men (maybe women too, i dunno) who are sent to kill people in a faraway place, with no outlet for sexual urges, resort to violent means of attaining sex? Whodathunkit.

First, off, inasmuch as you're going along with the whole "men commit rape because they really, really want sex and can't get it any other way" paradigm, no. Just stop. Read some books about rape, or even just a Wikipedia article or something if you're lazy, then come back.

Second, it isn't even true that they have "no outlet for sexual urges" anyway. It's a ridiculous thing to say under the best of circumstances, but specifically since the article is mostly about male-male rape, you're positing that in the military, which is primarily composed of healthy, fit men, a gay man has "no outlet" to find other healthy, fit, gay men to have sex with? Seriously?


And I used to think I used too many commas and was a condescending prick. I bow before your excellence at both. And you sure seem to view yourself as an expert on rape. This is the internet though so I'm sure you don't just have an over-inflated view on your own intelligence. Please feel free to choke on a bag of dicks and STFU.
http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/3848/
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1404574
http://www.counterpunch.org/2008/04/04/rape-as-an-instrument-of-total - war/
http://www.bridgew.edu/soas/jiws/nov00/duty.htm
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103844570
 
2012-07-19 04:26:25 PM
Reyvacs: As a military spouse, the things I hear about happening every single day as part of the normal workspace, through multiple units and stations over the last decade, often make me cringe. The environment is almost unbelievable in terms of sexual harassment according to society's current (and, granted, over inflated) standards. My HR department in the real world would have a collective seizure of epic proportions if they had a clue what is "normal" in the military.

To be fair, "workplaces" where you live and spend 100% of your time *should* have more relaxed standards about flirtation, dating, etc. than your typical office. (I first encountered this idea reading blogs about Antarctica).
 
2012-07-19 04:27:29 PM
i.imgur.com
"Don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash."
 
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