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(Talking Points Memo)   Ed Rollins, Michele Bachmann's former campaign manager lambasts her recent religious attack on Anthony Wiener's wife and calls upon her to apologize on the floor of the House. No, really   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 194
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2012-07-18 10:10:21 PM
"I am fully aware that she sometimes has difficulty with her facts, but this is downright vicious and reaches the late Sen. Joe McCarthy level," Rollins wrote in Fox News.

he's "fully aware" that she has "difficulty with her facts," yet he had no problem serving as her campaign manager...
 
2012-07-18 10:17:59 PM
She needs to be censured. Harshly. At the beginning and end of every day's session for at least a month.
 
2012-07-18 10:21:21 PM
"I am fully aware that she sometimes has difficulty with her facts..."

And the award for the biggest understatement in recorded history goes to...
 
2012-07-18 10:21:59 PM
"As a member of Congress, with a seat on the House Intelligence Committee, Mrs. Bachmann you know better,"

No. No, she doesn't. And you know that.

Shame on you.
 
2012-07-18 10:32:16 PM

FlashHarry: "I am fully aware that she sometimes has difficulty with her facts, but this is downright vicious and reaches the late Sen. Joe McCarthy level," Rollins wrote in Fox News.

he's "fully aware" that she has "difficulty with her facts," yet he had no problem serving as her campaign manager...


This. About a million times. People need to realize that choosing a president needs to be given a bit more sober reflection than voting for the semiquarterprefinalist on You've Got Talent, or whatever the name of that idiot show is.
 
2012-07-18 10:47:48 PM

FlashHarry: he's "fully aware" that she has "difficulty with her facts," yet he had no problem serving as her campaign manager...


Bachmann has been making statements like this since before he signed on as a manager. Thing is, business is business. Great athletes often sign with teams they personally despise, just for the paycheck or resume. Sh*t, many of us despise our employers. Now that he's gone, he's free to vent the misgivings he previously just muttered to himself before taking enough sleeping pills to kill a polar bear.

At least that's how I did it.
 
2012-07-18 10:53:28 PM

dickfreckle: Thing is, business is business. Great athletes often sign with teams they personally despise, just for the paycheck or resume. Sh*t, many of us despise our employers.


Except she was running for PRESIDENT OF THE FARKIN UNITED STATES. There is a word for people willing to help someone that they know is either delusional or intellectually dishonest become POTUS, it's called un-American.
 
2012-07-18 11:04:45 PM
Lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas. You bought the ticket, you take the ride, Eddie. You knew what she was before you signed on. GFY.
 
2012-07-18 11:13:33 PM

FlashHarry: "I am fully aware that she sometimes has difficulty with her facts, but this is downright vicious and reaches the late Sen. Joe McCarthy level," Rollins wrote in Fox News.

he's "fully aware" that she has "difficulty with her facts," yet he had no problem serving as her campaign manager...


Seriously. And he was willing to promote her as President of the United States. I think that says a lot about his character/judgement (or lack thereof).
 
2012-07-18 11:17:22 PM

Dinki: dickfreckle: Thing is, business is business. Great athletes often sign with teams they personally despise, just for the paycheck or resume. Sh*t, many of us despise our employers.

Except she was running for PRESIDENT OF THE FARKIN UNITED STATES. There is a word for people willing to help someone that they know is either delusional or intellectually dishonest become POTUS, it's called un-American.


Yeah, I was gonna say, it's one thing to put up with a bad boss just to collect a paycheck, but it's quite another to try get a known psycho like Bachmann elected President of the United States just cuz there's a paycheck in it for you.
 
2012-07-18 11:55:57 PM
i never really got his working for her in the first place - i'm not saying ed rollins is immune to spin, but he's not typically over in the moonbat corner....yet he signed up to run Princess Sparklebat of Lunar Base 12's presidential campaign.

it's tangential to his slimeyness in taking the position, but...consider this for a moment. the national campaign director for Ronald (praise be unto him) Reagan was sitting on the sidelines looking for a job long enough that Michelle Bachmann could snap him up, rub her crazy all over him.

it's humorous and dismal at the same time. humorismal works.
 
2012-07-18 11:57:20 PM

FlashHarry:
he's "fully aware" that she has "difficulty with her facts," yet he had no problem serving as her campaign manager...


From what I understand, people who work on political campaigns just view it as a job like they were a professional hockey player or a lawyer and they're getting paid to win.

A defence lawyer may know his client is guilty as hell but he will still do everything in his power to get his client off because that's his job. It's a game that he's paid to win.

Paid campaign employees take a similar attitude even if they themselves hold conflicting political ideals.
 
2012-07-19 12:11:24 AM
she's from iowa. transplanted iowans moved to her district and got her elected.
 
2012-07-19 12:20:51 AM

Ghastly: FlashHarry:
he's "fully aware" that she has "difficulty with her facts," yet he had no problem serving as her campaign manager...

From what I understand, people who work on political campaigns just view it as a job like they were a professional hockey player or a lawyer and they're getting paid to win.

A defence lawyer may know his client is guilty as hell but he will still do everything in his power to get his client off because that's his job. It's a game that he's paid to win.

Paid campaign employees take a similar attitude even if they themselves hold conflicting political ideals.


Yeah basically this, though it speaks volumes about his actual character.
 
2012-07-19 12:21:51 AM
The woman needs to be placed on proper medication. This time she nearly started an international incident. It's not even funny anymore.
 
2012-07-19 01:39:43 AM
John McCain also impressed the hell outta me: Link
 
2012-07-19 02:04:12 AM
People like this woman have no business representing me as a citizen of the United States. She needs to be removed from public service and her supporters should be lashed with wet ropes for being so goddamned stupid.
 
2012-07-19 02:22:27 AM
This woman should not be on any committee, whatsoever.
 
2012-07-19 02:27:44 AM

PreMortem: This woman should not be on any committee, whatsoever.


Think about this. It's not bad enough that she was elected, you can chalk that up to morons in her district. But the House leadership, the Party leadership put her into a top committee position.
She's an idiot, a dangerous idiot, and House leadership still looked at her and thought, 'hey, Intelligence Committee, good idea!'
 
2012-07-19 02:33:13 AM

FlashHarry: difficulty with her facts


Is the Obvious tag at Guantanamo?
 
2012-07-19 02:54:47 AM

propasaurus: PreMortem: This woman should not be on any committee, whatsoever.

Think about this. It's not bad enough that she was elected, you can chalk that up to morons in her district. But the House leadership, the Party leadership put her into a top committee position.
She's an idiot, a dangerous idiot, and House leadership still looked at her and thought, 'hey, Intelligence Committee, good idea!'


That seems to be one of the most sought-after traits for GOP leadership these days. It's a complete flip one what the Founders wanted. They envisioned us choosing the best and brightest from our communities to represent us. The GOP has now turned that completely on its head; they seem to want to pick the most base of their Party to represent us.
 
2012-07-19 03:13:05 AM
"I am fully aware that she sometimes has difficulty with her facts, but this is downright vicious and reaches the late Sen. Joe McCarthy level," Rollins wrote in Fox News.

For Michele Bachmann and her followers (and much of the right these days), being compared to McCarthy is a compliment.
 
2012-07-19 03:16:05 AM

usernameguy: For Michele Bachmann and her followers (and much of the right these days), being compared to McCarthy is a compliment.


It's probably also a good thing for Fox that they disabled comments on articles.

/can only imagine the extreme derp that would have resulted from this op-ed.
 
2012-07-19 03:38:59 AM

usernameguy: "I am fully aware that she sometimes has difficulty with her facts, but this is downright vicious and reaches the late Sen. Joe McCarthy level," Rollins wrote in Fox News.

For Michele Bachmann and her followers (and much of the right these days), being compared to McCarthy is a compliment.


Yup...

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But, on the bright side, McCarthyism isn't just for white men anymore!!

www.josh-fernandez.comwww.newsmax.com

Please, Mr West and Mrs Bachmann, follow your leader
 
2012-07-19 04:01:59 AM
Remember, you can't polish a turd.

But you can roll it in glitter.
 
2012-07-19 04:16:51 AM
That's not heroism, that's just being a decent human being. Of course our standards are so farked over by today's Republican Party, he emerges as a saint.
 
2012-07-19 05:37:10 AM

Vodka Zombie: She needs to be censured. Harshly. At the beginning and end of every day's session for at least a month.


Or until she makes a full and public apology and retraction on the floor of the House.

/will never happen
//if there is any backlash, Republicans will just circle the wagons, and their base will eat that shiat up from upon their crosses.
 
2012-07-19 05:38:54 AM

Rusty Shackleford: Remember, you can't polish a turd.


This has been proven false. You CAN polish a turd. It's still a turd though.
 
2012-07-19 05:40:17 AM

Lionel Mandrake: usernameguy: "I am fully aware that she sometimes has difficulty with her facts, but this is downright vicious and reaches the late Sen. Joe McCarthy level," Rollins wrote in Fox News.

For Michele Bachmann and her followers (and much of the right these days), being compared to McCarthy is a compliment.

Yup..



McCarthy was right, too bad he was an angry drunk.

An excerpt from "Reexaming the Life and Legacy of America's Most Hated Senator"
By ARTHUR HERMAN

In the 1970s, it became fashionable to deny or at least avoid mentioning this part of the historical context in which McCarthy lived and breathed. If McCarthy was guilty, the reasoning goes, then those he tormented must be innocent. David Oshinsky could publish a 597-page biography of McCarthy that contained exactly one and a half pages on the Communist Party. As late as 1994, in The Era of McCarthyism, Ellen Schrecker could dismiss the charge that Julius Rosenberg gave atomic secrets to the Soviets as "uncertain," and present the Rosenbergs' conviction and execution in 1951 as just another example of anti-Communist hysteria.

Today we know better. Archival materials from the former Soviet Union have revealed that Stalin's intentions were aggressively malign and expansionist, just as America's coldest cold warriors had believed. We now know that Mao Tse-tung was not a progressive nationalist forced into the Soviet camp by American hostility and incomprehension, as revisionist scholars in the seventies like to pretend, but was a brutal and dedicated Communist who enthusiastically embraced Stalin from the beginning. Historians J. E. Haynes, Harvey Klehr, Ronald Radosh, Allan Weinstein, and Alexander Vassiliev have used new declassified American materials as well as Soviet sources to lay to rest any doubts about the Soviet Union's espionage activities, as well as the Communist Party's active support of it.

The declassified Venona decrypts have revealed to the public the full extent and depth of Soviet spying in America and proved that fears of Russian espionage networks at work in the highest reaches of the government were not fantasy but sober fact. Meanwhile, independent sources from iron curtain Hungary have confirmed Alger Hiss's role as a Soviet spy, just as Russian sources (including his former KGB case officer) have finally definitively established that Julius Rosenberg was a central figure in the Soviet spy network (although the importance of the material he provided on the atomic bomb, and the degree of his wife Ethel's involvement, is still under debate). Even the truth about Owen Lattimore, the most famous of McCarthy's "victims," has finally come out, thanks to a former Chinese espionage agent's memoirs and declassified FBI files, which go a long way to vindicate McCarthy's original charges. In retrospect, the cause McCarthy made his own - anticommunism - has proved to be more valid and durable than the basic assumptions of his anti-anti-Communist critics.
 
2012-07-19 05:44:37 AM
As a devoted Christian, you need to ask forgiveness for this grievous lack of judgment and reckless behavior."

What are we seeing here?

Is it purely damage control or is the derpier religious wingnutty side of the GOP getting a smackdown from the establishment as the schisms within the crumbling organization get wider?

/I can see McCain making the statement on his own but Crazyeyes' ex-campaign manager? Not so much.
 
2012-07-19 05:44:38 AM
I submitted this with a much better headline.

/Something to do with Bachmann's claim of "deep penetration" by the Muslim Brotherhood
 
2012-07-19 05:46:41 AM

Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!: McCarthy was right, too bad he was an angry drunk.


Doesn't matter if he was right, what he did was indefensible.
 
2012-07-19 05:50:11 AM
Don't forget about Trent Franks, Louis Gohmert, Tom Rooney and Lynn Westmoreland. Trent Franks is on the judiciary committee and the armed services committee. Tom Rooney is on the committee for armed services, agriculture, and intelligence. Lynn Westmoreland is on the intelligence and financial services. And then there's Louis Gohmert who is deathly afraid of terror babies. These 5 all deserve to be punched in their respective genitals.
 
2012-07-19 05:51:51 AM

usernameguy: "I am fully aware that she sometimes has difficulty with her facts, but this is downright vicious and reaches the late Sen. Joe McCarthy level," Rollins wrote in Fox News.

For Michele Bachmann and her followers (and much of the right these days), being compared to McCarthy is a compliment.


Exactly. There's been a lot of McCarthy revisionism over the past few years to justify the behavior of the Beckerheads.
 
2012-07-19 05:53:04 AM

Vodka Zombie: She needs to be censured. Harshly. At the beginning and end of every day's session for at least a month.


Don't be silly. Censuring is only for really bad things, like voicing pro-choice opinions during a debate on the evils of abortion.

/But seriously, you're absolutely correct but the odds are infinitesimal.
//Hell, at least half of the TeaPublican party should be censured by now.
///And the rest should be impeached.
 
2012-07-19 05:53:54 AM
In retrospect, the cause McCarthy made his own - anticommunism - has proved to be more valid and durable than the basic assumptions of his anti-anti-Communist critics.

The fact that more recently released documentation indicates that the Russians were spying on the US more than some thought doesn't really do much to excuse McCarthy's overzealous actions which, to be honest, were more reminiscent of the type of purges usually found in the communist countries he allegedly deplored than what one would hope to find in the "land of the free".

Historical revisionism is also something the USSR knew a little something about.

/Texas Schoolbooks FTL.
 
2012-07-19 05:54:01 AM

WhyteRaven74: Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!: McCarthy was right, too bad he was an angry drunk.

Doesn't matter if he was right, what he did was indefensible.


He believed his work protected Americans from a greater evil nonetheless.

The best and most generous estimate is that during the entire decade of the red scare, ten thousand Americans lost their jobs because of their past or present affiliation with the Communist Party or one of its auxiliary organizations. Of those who lost their jobs, two thousand worked in the government, and in perhaps forty cases McCarthy himself was directly or indirectly responsible for their being fired. In only one case - that of Owen Lattimore - can anyone make the argument that McCarthy's allegations led to any actual legal proceedings, and there a judge eventually threw out most of the indictment. Paradoxically, the fact that McCarthy never sent anyone to prison is also turned against him; opponents claimed that during his entire career, he never actually exposed a single spy or Communist - a claim that is manifestly untrue, as we will see.

In fact, the number of people who did spend time in prison remained small. A grand total of 108 Communist Party members were convicted under the antisubversion provisions of the Smith Act, which Congress passed in 1941 (long before McCarthy was a member) and applied as equally to Nazi and fascist organizations as it did to Communists. Another twenty Communist Party members were imprisoned under state and local laws. Fewer than a dozen Americans went to jail for espionage activities (one of them being Alger Hiss, who was convicted of perjury). Exactly two were sentenced to death for conspiracy to commit espionage: Julius and Ethel Rosenberg.

We need to contrast all this with the three and a half million people who, according to the KGB's own official numbers, were arrested and sent to the gulag during the six years of Stalin's Great Terror, from 1935 to 1941. None had the benefit of any genuine legal protection; Stalin's secret police seized, interrogated, and sentenced the lot. The KGB states that of that number, 681,692 were executed in 1937-1938 alone. Taken with the four or five million people who died in Stalin's Great Famine of 1932-1933, the total number of human beings executed, exiled, imprisoned, or starved to death in those years comes to ten to eleven million. These are official KGB numbers released at the end of the cold war. They are almost certainly low. And during all the years when this was taking place, men and women like Trumbo, Robeson, and Hellman insisted that Stalin was the just and compassionate father of his people, asserted that Soviet citizens enjoyed a freedom and happiness unknown in American society, and celebrated the Soviet Union as the model society for the future. Others, such as Julius Rosenberg, Alger Hiss, Judith Coplon, Martin Sobell, and Steve Nelson, willingly served the Stalinist regime, as other espionage agents or as part of the Communist underground apparatus.
 
2012-07-19 06:02:37 AM

Lionel Mandrake: usernameguy: "I am fully aware that she sometimes has difficulty with her facts, but this is downright vicious and reaches the late Sen. Joe McCarthy level," Rollins wrote in Fox News.

For Michele Bachmann and her followers (and much of the right these days), being compared to McCarthy is a compliment.

Yup...

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 400x358]

But, on the bright side, McCarthyism isn't just for white men anymore!!


Man I would go and piss on that grave. Well worth the public urination charges
 
2012-07-19 06:03:59 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: ... should be

should have been censured by now.

/FTFM.
//Grammar Nazi-ing my own posts.
 
2012-07-19 06:09:10 AM

Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!: We need to contrast all this with the three and a half million people who, according to the KGB's own official numbers, were arrested and sent to the gulag during the six years of Stalin's Great Terror, from 1935 to 1941.


No. No, we don't. We need to recognize evil in our midst. Revisionist history is fun and all, but . . . Michelle Bachman is clinically insane. She nearly started an international incident with her paranoid ramblings and she needs help. We are not the former Soviet Union. We do not need to be compared to them. This woman needs to stop before she hurts herself or somebody else.
 
2012-07-19 06:10:00 AM
If someone's religion is open game, is a 'Larry Craig husband' like Marcus Bachmann as well?
 
2012-07-19 06:17:56 AM

thatboyoverthere: Lionel Mandrake: usernameguy: "I am fully aware that she sometimes has difficulty with her facts, but this is downright vicious and reaches the late Sen. Joe McCarthy level," Rollins wrote in Fox News.

For Michele Bachmann and her followers (and much of the right these days), being compared to McCarthy is a compliment.

Yup...

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 400x358]

But, on the bright side, McCarthyism isn't just for white men anymore!!

Man I would go and piss on that grave. Well worth the public urination charges


While you're at it piss on FDR's grave for the internment of American citizens while looking a blind eye at the plight of the Jews. Piss on Truman for the 100,000 civilians killed in the Fire bombing of Tokyo and the countless who starved due to his politically motivated hesitation to appoint the right man for food distribution in post war Europe. Piss on Eisenhower. His Interstate Highway bill destroyed ethnic urban neighborhoods and allowed the dismantling of an efficient public transportation system which led to our suburban blighted oil dependent society. It's difficult to lead without deserving your fair share of piss.
 
2012-07-19 06:17:57 AM
It seems like we're at the point now where if Mao was a capitalist these idiots would probably be praising the Cultural Revolution. This us vs. them paranoia is causing them to defend all kinds of horrible things in American history while rushing head long in to repeating them.
 
2012-07-19 06:24:48 AM
Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!:
(quoting some derp) In retrospect, the cause McCarthy made his own - anticommunism - has proved to be more valid and durable than the basic assumptions of his anti-anti-Communist critics.

Lots of people were anti-Communist in those days. It was the cold war. But McCarthy, even if he may have started out with purely ideological aims (which I doubt), ended up as a power-mad dog biting everything in sight. He was just making it up as he went along at that point, and his definition of "Communist" had devolved to mean "anyone who opposes me". That modern conservatives want to rehabilitate him only shows how utterly bankrupt they are.

One could easily argue that by associating "communist hunting" with "ruthless insanity", he may have actually hindered efforts to locate Soviet agents in the US. But the cold war was a crazy time in so many ways...
 
2012-07-19 06:26:51 AM

Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!: It's difficult to lead without deserving your fair share of piss.


And it's very easy to pedantically reshape history to what you would like it to be. Again, Ms. Bachman is a clear and present danger. She's not history. She should not be allowed to make it.
 
2012-07-19 06:28:12 AM
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2012-07-19 06:31:27 AM

rynthetyn: It seems like we're at the point now where if Mao was a capitalist these idiots would probably be praising the Cultural Revolution. This us vs. them paranoia is causing them to defend all kinds of horrible things in American history while rushing head long in to repeating them.


If Obama ever comes out against global thermonuclear war, we'll all be dead within a week.
 
2012-07-19 06:35:01 AM
Maybe it's because I'm currently sitting on a bus heading across a country where an obsession with ideological purity snowballed to the point that there are very few people older than early 40s, but I have about zero patience for people like Bachmann with an obsession for ideological purity and a fear of a trumped up bogeyman. Not that I think that they're ever going to start Year Zeroesque purges or commit atrocities or anything, but ideological extremism, no matter the ideology, isn't remotely healthy for a country. Heck, look how long ago McCarthy was and yet we're still dealing with the fallout from the harm he did to this country. And instead of learning the lesson that extremism is harmful in any form they've turned McCarthy into a hero.
 
2012-07-19 06:35:40 AM

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GAH! DAFUQ is that? Is that Human????
 
2012-07-19 06:35:41 AM
MorrisBird: Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!: We need to contrast all this with the three and a half million people who, according to the KGB's own official numbers, were arrested and sent to the gulag during the six years of Stalin's Great Terror, from 1935 to 1941.

No. No, we don't. We need to recognize evil in our midst. Revisionist history is fun and all, but . . . Michelle Bachman is clinically insane. She nearly started an international incident with her paranoid ramblings and she needs help. We are not the former Soviet Union. We do not need to be compared to them. This woman needs to stop before she hurts herself or somebody else.


THIS. Saying McCarthy was ok because those other guys are worse is like arguing that it's ok to beat your wife because women in Afghanistan get beheaded. Also, white knighting McCarthy? Really?
 
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