MorrisBird: Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!: We need to contrast all this with the three and a half million people who, according to the KGB's own official numbers, were arrested and sent to the gulag during the six years of Stalin's Great Terror, from 1935 to 1941.

No. No, we don't. We need to recognize evil in our midst. Revisionist history is fun and all, but . . . Michelle Bachman is clinically insane. She nearly started an international incident with her paranoid ramblings and she needs help. We are not the former Soviet Union. We do not need to be compared to them. This woman needs to stop before she hurts herself or somebody else.

She's up for re-election. Jim Graves appears to be more than a token candidate most incumbents face.

Fluorescent Testicle: rynthetyn: It seems like we're at the point now where if Mao was a capitalist these idiots would probably be praising the Cultural Revolution. This us vs. them paranoia is causing them to defend all kinds of horrible things in American history while rushing head long in to repeating them.

If Obama ever comes out against global thermonuclear war, we'll all be dead within a week.

You're probably right. And it's probably even more likely because I think these clowns are the types who spent the Cold War secretly hoping for nuclear war.

thatboyoverthere: Man I would go and piss on that grave. Well worth the public urination charges

Think that's what those two vases are for.

/Would cheerfully piss on Joe's grave.

Bottom line is both the USSR and the USA spied on each other and interfered with each other during the length of the cold war and despite rampant revisionism saying that the threat was more serious than people thought back then (because of recently declassified documents) the reality remains that both nations overinflated the threat of the other in order to justify reprehensible activities at home and abroad.

See also: War on Drugs/ War on Terror.

Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!: Piss on Eisenhower. His Interstate Highway bill destroyed ethnic urban neighborhoods and allowed the dismantling of an efficient public transportation system which led to our suburban blighted oil dependent society.

Yea, gotta stop you there. Especially since Eisenhower's original Interstate plan had rail lines being laid all alongside the new roads. Which really would have helped. The anti-public transpo. cabals were already working their magic as they got that axed from the plan that they went ahead with.

Now the fact that he spent a ton of money on military shiat while at the same time decrying the very thing? Go right ahead and throw some stones...

No Such Agency: (quoting some derp) In retrospect, the cause McCarthy made his own - anticommunism - has proved to be more valid and durable than the basic assumptions of his anti-anti-Communist critics.

Lots of people were anti-Communist in those days. It was the cold war. But McCarthy, even if he may have started out with purely ideological aims (which I doubt), ended up as a power-mad dog biting everything in sight. He was just making it up as he went along at that point, and his definition of "Communist" had devolved to mean "anyone who opposes me". That modern conservatives want to rehabilitate him only shows how utterly bankrupt they are.

One could easily argue that by associating "communist hunting" with "ruthless insanity", he may have actually hindered efforts to locate Soviet agents in the US. But the cold war was a crazy time in so many way

That's where he let is drunken pontificating get the best of him.

Republicans are going to have to do a lot more than call each other out for being batshiat insane once in a while to impress me.

They're going to have to spend a few years trying to do as much good for the average American as they can and stop trying to obstruct efforts by others to do good as well before I'll even consider them as an option.

Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!: We need to contrast all this with...

No, we really don't.

Unfortunately for McCarthy, he didn't do a whole lot of good to balance out the bullshiat he peddled.

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Psylence: Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!: Piss on Eisenhower. His Interstate Highway bill destroyed ethnic urban neighborhoods and allowed the dismantling of an efficient public transportation system which led to our suburban blighted oil dependent society.

Yea, gotta stop you there. Especially since Eisenhower's original Interstate plan had rail lines being laid all alongside the new roads. Which really would have helped. The anti-public transpo. cabals were already working their magic as they got that axed from the plan that they went ahead with.

Now the fact that he spent a ton of money on military shiat while at the same time decrying the very thing? Go right ahead and throw some stones..

The Interstate Highway system allowed the practice of auto companies like General Motors to buy mass transit systems like urban trolley cars and train systems in order to shut down the competition. GM bought 100 different trolley systems in major cities like New York, Baltimore, Chicago, Los Angeles and smaller cities like Tulsa, Oklahoma and El Paso, Texas, and promptly tore them down. City buses manufactured by GM replaced the trolley systems the company had destroyed.

JohnnyC: Republicans are going to have to do a lot more than call each other out for being batshiat insane once in a while to impress me.

They're going to have to spend a few years trying to do as much good for the average American as they can and stop trying to obstruct efforts by others to do good as well before I'll even consider them as an option.

This. A bajillion times.

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I'm halfway around the world right now so ditto.

How is it that for $2/350MB of data I can surf the internet at 3G speeds on my laptop in the middle of bumfark nowhere Cambodia on a bus but can barely get decent cell coverage in my house in the US?

Go pop a corndog in that pie hole, biatch.

Please could we stop electing the mentally ill?

Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!: Lionel Mandrake: usernameguy: "I am fully aware that she sometimes has difficulty with her facts, but this is downright vicious and reaches the late Sen. Joe McCarthy level," Rollins wrote in Fox News.

For Michele Bachmann and her followers (and much of the right these days), being compared to McCarthy is a compliment.

Yup..


McCarthy was right, too bad he was an angry drunk.

McCarthy was not "right." He just made shiat up and then persecuted people based on flimsy or non-existent evidence.

It's true that spying was more prevalent than previously thought, but almost all of the stuff the conservatives trot out occurred in the 1930s and 1940s. By the 1950s, the Soviets had realized that "ideological" spies were less than ideal and had begun to move over to a model of paid spies. They learned that idealists often change their minds but people who spy b/c of greed rarely do.

McCarthy was a farker and an opportunist. His actions not only ruined many lives for absolutely no good reason, but took advantage of the trust many Americans at the time put in him. It's sad that all these years later conservatives still feel the need to defend this charlatan. It's not as if his mendacity proves that Stalin was actually a good guy.

/Get back under your bridge.

Lionel Mandrake: Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!: Lionel Mandrake: usernameguy: "I am fully aware that she sometimes has difficulty with her facts, but this is downright vicious and reaches the late Sen. Joe McCarthy level," Rollins wrote in Fox News.

For Michele Bachmann and her followers (and much of the right these days), being compared to McCarthy is a compliment.

Yup..


McCarthy was right, too bad he was an angry drunk.


He farked over a lot of people. Yeah, he fingered (giggity) some bad guys, but if you threw a few hand grenades into a crowded room, chances are you'd take out a few bad guys.

But this does not make lobbing grenades into crowded rooms a good or acceptable thing to do.

McCarthy was a drunken paranoid attention whore who was in it for his own megalomaniacal reasons. There is nothing "right" about what he did, and his modern admirers are just as fkn stupid, paranoid and unpatriotic as he was.

The extent of misery levied by McCarthy's war on Communism pales in comparison to the ongoing tyranny waged against the American people by the government's war on drugs and terror. McCarthy's popularity and power rose, fell and became buffoonish in a shorter period than either failed crusades' time frame.

Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!: The extent of misery levied by McCarthy's war on Communism pales in comparison to the ongoing tyranny waged against the American people by the government's war on drugs and terror.

I smell Paultardism.

I remember when the speculation was that she was given her seat on the House Intelligence Committee to ensure she stayed quiet.

Good jorb, Boner.

There is no one that hates America more than a teabagger.

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I'm halfway around the world right now so ditto.

How is it that for $2/350MB of data I can surf the internet at 3G speeds on my laptop in the middle of bumfark nowhere Cambodia on a bus but can barely get decent cell coverage in my house in the US?

We can't have nice things because Obamarxmunislamism.

Apparently.

Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!: The extent of misery levied by McCarthy's war on Communism pales in comparison to the ongoing tyranny waged against the American people by the government's war on drugs and terror.

How many more "bad" things are you going to throw out there to compare against McCarthy? So far we've got the war on drugs, the interstate highway system, FDR's handling of WW2, Truman not appointing someone you would have preferred, Stalin, etc.

McCarthy was a piece of shiat, and will always be remembered as such. No amount of counter "points" you can dream up will ever change that.

Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!: The extent of misery levied by McCarthy's war on Communism pales in comparison to the ongoing tyranny waged against the American people by the government's war on drugs and terror. McCarthy's popularity and power rose, fell and became buffoonish in a shorter period than either failed crusades' time frame.

What the hell does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

The internet somehow managed to send Pitbull to Alaska, surely there must be a way to get her off the House Intelligence Committee.

It's the Battle of the Political Has-Beens!

Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!:
McCarthy was right, too bad he was an angry drunk.


If Sarah Palin plops her ass down on your toilet you better get the plunger ready. She BEEFS. She'll drop 5 or 6 forearm-sized logs in there with no flushes in between. Rumor has it that on the 2008 Campaign Trail she used to shiat in the shower and heel it down the drain.

Between this and Frist, that's two stories in 24 hours of a republican used-to-be coming out against the crazier parts of the party.

Start of an attempt to take the party back from the ignoratti or just a blip?

make me some tea: John McCain also impressed the hell outta me: Link

While I agree, I also find it sad that rare gestures of decency displayed by our elected officials is noteworthy these days. It should be pretty common and expected.

Zerochance: Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!: The extent of misery levied by McCarthy's war on Communism pales in comparison to the ongoing tyranny waged against the American people by the government's war on drugs and terror.

So you support the loss of liberty through the expanse of government powers so that we're protected from a group of blue balled, box-cutter wielding, religious zealots? Even better, let's lock up a whole segment of a demographic to keep the white women safe. Don't worry citizen we swept that evil drunk Joe into the dustbin of history. No need for you to worry about the injustice of your government ever again. The nigh statesmen with their electorate dividing rhetoric and $300.00 haircuts will keep you safe!

Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!: Don't worry citizen we swept that evil drunk Joe into the dustbin of history. No need for you to worry about the injustice of your government ever again.

Nobody ever said that. McCarthy is still shiat and will always be remembered as such.

Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!: Zerochance: Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!: The extent of misery levied by McCarthy's war on Communism pales in comparison to the ongoing tyranny waged against the American people by the government's war on drugs and terror.

So you support the loss of liberty through the expanse of government powers so that we're protected from a group of blue balled, box-cutter wielding, religious zealots? Even better, let's lock up a whole segment of a demographic to keep the white women safe. Don't worry citizen we swept that evil drunk Joe into the dustbin of history. No need for you to worry about the injustice of your government ever again. The nigh statesmen with their electorate dividing rhetoric and $300.00 haircuts will keep you safe!

I don't. I just think it's absolutely hilarious how you're obfuscating a fairly indefensible position with exceedingly unnecessary verbosity.

HotWingConspiracy: Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!: The extent of misery levied by McCarthy's war on Communism pales in comparison to the ongoing tyranny waged against the American people by the government's war on drugs and terror.

How many more "bad" things are you going to throw out there to compare against McCarthy? So far we've got the war on drugs, the interstate highway system, FDR's handling of WW2, Truman not appointing someone you would have preferred, Stalin, etc.

McCarthy was a piece of shiat, and will always be remembered as such. No amount of counter "points" you can dream up will ever change that

Truman eventually did appoint the right man. Only after a less than stellar crop in 45' in the U.S and Canada. Happened to be the same man who orchestrated the feeding of Europe after WWI. He was also the same man the Democrats ran against for 16 years. He honored the office of the Presidency so much he didn't counter the political lambasts against him voiced by the very President he served. Even though he had embarrassing inside knowledge on the inefficiencies it was his job to fix within the Truman Administration.

When Michele Bachmann decided to run for President, I quickly began to wonder why she was even a member of Congress. I hope her constituency wakes up and does away with her in the next election.

As for Senator McCain- as a Republican, former Naval officer and USNA graduate, it hurt me to vote for President Obama. However, I just couldn't see a loon like Sarah Palin sitting in the VP's seat.

I sincerely hope that both sides can come together and put their differences aside to make life better for all Americans. This crap with scoring political points has to stop.

Opeth1429: I sincerely hope that both sides can come together and put their differences aside to make life better for all Americans.

Both sides are bad, despite that this stuff is only coming from one side, right?

Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!: WhyteRaven74: Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!: McCarthy was right, too bad he was an angry drunk.

Doesn't matter if he was right, what he did was indefensible.

He believed his work protected Americans from a greater evil nonetheless.

The best and most generous estimate is that during the entire decade of the red scare, ten thousand Americans lost their jobs because of their past or present affiliation with the Communist Party or one of its auxiliary organizations. Of those who lost their jobs, two thousand worked in the government, and in perhaps forty cases McCarthy himself was directly or indirectly responsible for their being fired. In only one case - that of Owen Lattimore - can anyone make the argument that McCarthy's allegations led to any actual legal proceedings, and there a judge eventually threw out most of the indictment. Paradoxically, the fact that McCarthy never sent anyone to prison is also turned against him; opponents claimed that during his entire career, he never actually exposed a single spy or Communist - a claim that is manifestly untrue, as we will see.

In fact, the number of people who did spend time in prison remained small. A grand total of 108 Communist Party members were convicted under the antisubversion provisions of the Smith Act, which Congress passed in 1941 (long before McCarthy was a member) and applied as equally to Nazi and fascist organizations as it did to Communists. Another twenty Communist Party members were imprisoned under state and local laws. Fewer than a dozen Americans went to jail for espionage activities (one of them being Alger Hiss, who was convicted of perjury). Exactly two were sentenced to death for conspiracy to commit espionage: Julius and Ethel Rosenberg.

We need to contrast all this with the three and a half million people who, according to the KGB's own official numbers, were arrested and sent to the gulag during the six years of Stalin's Great Terror, from 1935 to 1941. None had the benefit of any genuin ...

Fark Off.

Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!: WhyteRaven74: Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!: McCarthy was right, too bad he was an angry drunk.

Doesn't matter if he was right, what he did was indefensible.

He believed his work protected Americans from a greater evil nonetheless.

The best and most generous estimate is that during the entire decade of the red scare, ten thousand Americans lost their jobs because of their past or present affiliation with the Communist Party or one of its auxiliary organizations. Of those who lost their jobs, two thousand worked in the government, and in perhaps forty cases McCarthy himself was directly or indirectly responsible for their being fired. In only one case - that of Owen Lattimore - can anyone make the argument that McCarthy's allegations led to any actual legal proceedings, and there a judge eventually threw out most of the indictment. Paradoxically, the fact that McCarthy never sent anyone to prison is also turned against him; opponents claimed that during his entire career, he never actually exposed a single spy or Communist - a claim that is manifestly untrue, as we will see.

In fact, the number of people who did spend time in prison remained small. A grand total of 108 Communist Party members were convicted under the antisubversion provisions of the Smith Act, which Congress passed in 1941 (long before McCarthy was a member) and applied as equally to Nazi and fascist organizations as it did to Communists. Another twenty Communist Party members were imprisoned under state and local laws. Fewer than a dozen Americans went to jail for espionage activities (one of them being Alger Hiss, who was convicted of perjury). Exactly two were sentenced to death for conspiracy to commit espionage: Julius and Ethel Rosenberg.

We need to contrast all this with the three and a half million people who, according to the KGB's own official numbers, were arrested and sent to the gulag during the six years of Stalin's Great Terror, from 1935 to 1941. None had the benefit of any genuin ...

This sentence sounds like every mass murderer in history's excuse, so if that's what you want to go with then, well ok.

Also measuring his impact by how many people spent prison time is disingenuous at best. This man ruined more lives with his baseless conjecture than can be counted. Your defense of him really shows everybody just what type of person you are,

Henry Rollins is a badass.

machodonkeywrestler: Also measuring his impact by how many people spent prison time is disingenuous at best. This man ruined more lives with his baseless conjecture than can be counted. Your defense of him really shows everybody just what type of person you are,

Who is?

Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!: machodonkeywrestler: Also measuring his impact by how many people spent prison time is disingenuous at best. This man ruined more lives with his baseless conjecture than can be counted. Your defense of him really shows everybody just what type of person you are,

Who is?

McCarthy, the person who you were referring to in the quoted posts

Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!: We need to contrast all this with the three and a half million people who, according to the KGB's own official numbers, were arrested and sent to the gulag during the six years of Stalin's Great Terror, from 1935 to 1941.

We do? Wuffo?
Funny that Stalin should come up in the context of Michelle "Yellow Terror" Bachmann.

Satanic_Hamster: Really? I smell a troll account.

Potato, Poh tah toe

machodonkeywrestler: Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!: WhyteRaven74: Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!: McCarthy was right, too bad he was an angry drunk.

Doesn't matter if he was right, what he did was indefensible.

He believed his work protected Americans from a greater evil nonetheless.

The best and most generous estimate is that during the entire decade of the red scare, ten thousand Americans lost their jobs because of their past or present affiliation with the Communist Party or one of its auxiliary organizations. Of those who lost their jobs, two thousand worked in the government, and in perhaps forty cases McCarthy himself was directly or indirectly responsible for their being fired. In only one case - that of Owen Lattimore - can anyone make the argument that McCarthy's allegations led to any actual legal proceedings, and there a judge eventually threw out most of the indictment. Paradoxically, the fact that McCarthy never sent anyone to prison is also turned against him; opponents claimed that during his entire career, he never actually exposed a single spy or Communist - a claim that is manifestly untrue, as we will see.

In fact, the number of people who did spend time in prison remained small. A grand total of 108 Communist Party members were convicted under the antisubversion provisions of the Smith Act, which Congress passed in 1941 (long before McCarthy was a member) and applied as equally to Nazi and fascist organizations as it did to Communists. Another twenty Communist Party members were imprisoned under state and local laws. Fewer than a dozen Americans went to jail for espionage activities (one of them being Alger Hiss, who was convicted of perjury). Exactly two were sentenced to death for conspiracy to commit espionage: Julius and Ethel Rosenberg.

We need to contrast all this with the three and a half million people who, according to the KGB's own official numbers, were arrested and sent to the gulag during the six years of Stalin's Great Terror, from 1935 to 1941. None had the benefit of any genuin ...

This sentence sounds like every mass murderer in history's excuse, so if that's what you want to go with then, well ok.

Also measuring his impact by how many people spent prison time is disingenuous at best. This man ruined more lives with his baseless conjecture than can be counted. Your defense of him really shows everybody just what type of person you are,

A troll? Yeah. No shiat.

To think this woman was running for president and in the lead at one time. I wonder how many tea party types secretly agree with her even after this?

Thankfully there are at least some reasonable people left in the republican party....thanks Mr Rollins for speaking up

Satanic_Hamster: Zerochance: Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!: The extent of misery levied by McCarthy's war on Communism pales in comparison to the ongoing tyranny waged against the American people by the government's war on drugs and terror.

I smell Paultardism.

Really? I smell a troll account.

What!? Someone making an alt to spew dumb shiat and change the topic away from republicans? That's unheard of on Fark!