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(The New York Times)   Copenhagen has had enough, they have banned bicycles from some roads. By giving them their own superhighway   (nytimes.com) divider line 140
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2012-07-19 06:55:42 AM  

Kuroutesshin: Here in China I've seen a family of four on an electric moped


Psh, come to Taiwan where there aren't any family planning policies. It's pretty common to see a family of 5 on a 50 cc scooter.
 
2012-07-19 06:57:00 AM  
I am a chick and a bike commuter, so I'm getting a kick, etc.

I ride to work on a road where the bike lane is slowly getting covered in a charming mix of broken beer bottles and kudzu. I would love a dedicated bike highway, but I'd settle for some goddamn street sweeping. And mowing. Or a herd of goats. I'm not picky.
 
2012-07-19 07:22:30 AM  
Here in NYC the bike lanes are mostly used for double parking by the NYPD and delivery drivers. the few protected bike lanes we do have are generally full of joggers and squat central american women pushing double wide strollers full of blonde babies.
 
2012-07-19 07:27:07 AM  
My first thought when I see things like this is.... it's great, but I would need to take a shower every single day when I got to work. I'm assuming this area does not get a lot of rain? That could big a big bummer if you got rid of your car and had to walk into work soaking wet.
 
2012-07-19 07:34:10 AM  
Wonder if it will have left lane for me to just casually cruise in at just slightly over the speed limit?
 
2012-07-19 07:43:06 AM  
A bike superhighway?

Cue the "fark the slow bikers in the passing lane" posts.
 
2012-07-19 07:50:59 AM  
Portland, Oregon has nearly 140 miles car-free bike lanes but you say your town has 11? Yeah, that's cool.
farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2012-07-19 08:11:14 AM  
Nothing has ever made me feel so satisfied as jogging slowly in the middle of a bicycle lane. It's amazing. I recommend everyone try it.
 
2012-07-19 08:36:01 AM  

Cosmic J: I'm with Mr_Ectomy on this. Copenhagen has really great on-street cycling infrastructure that most cities in the US are severely lacking but off-street "freeway" paths are nothing new. Minneapolis re-purposed an unused rail trench into the Midtown Greenway - a bike/ped path spanning the length of the city with only a handful of street level intersections.

[i.imgur.com image 580x435]


Not only the greenway but Minneapolis had the first "bike highway" - Cedarlake trail into downtown.

www.phototour.minneapolis.mn.us
 
2012-07-19 09:01:29 AM  

fusillade762: The plan has received widespread support in a country whose left- and right-leaning lawmakers both regularly bike to work (albeit on slightly different models of bicycle).


What in the living fark does politics have to do with bike commuting?
 
2012-07-19 09:04:50 AM  

zez: Nobody walks and talks that way, why should we have to bike that way?


Look, If you're the only two people out for a leisurely walk in the country side, meandering gently, that's one thing.

... But you're in TRAFFIC. With hundreds of other people who don't give a thing about you and your buddy. They're trying to get someplace, and if you're talking to your friend, then I'll bet more than 70% of them want to pass your butt. At that point, whether you're walking or riding, doing so abreast is just a dick move. It would be unthinkable for three drivers to clog up a highway by 'driving abreast'. Don't be a dick and assume that quality of your conversation is worth screwing up the lives of hundreds or thousands of other people.

Context is important.
 
2012-07-19 09:10:57 AM  

zez: I bike a lot, and I do like how they mention in the article that they made the lanes so people could ride side by side and talk. I hate riding with someone and having to ride single file while yelling over my shoulder at the person behind me or verse-visa.

Nobody walks and talks that way, why should we have to bike that way?


Because you need to stay out of the farking street where cars are. The road isn't a good damn coffee shop where you can chit chat, people are trying to get somewhere and shouldn't have to do 20 in a 45 zone because you and your shiat eating friends can talk about what happened on The View yesterday. Stay in the bike lane you prick.
 
2012-07-19 09:12:28 AM  
I like how a lot of American cities have bike lanes that are 6 inches wide and discontinue at random points.


/wait, no I don't like that
/don't own a bike anymore
 
2012-07-19 09:12:49 AM  

Werepig: Fark that. I would love nothing better than to be separated from vehicle traffic. Unfortunately it's nigh impossible with the way most cities are laid out. Typical department of transportation supervisors/budgets treat pedestrians/bicyclists as an afterthought. Something to be dealt with while trying to move as many cars as possible instead of actually planning ahead 5/10/25 years into the future.


THIS, RIMS, and AMEN. I regularly go a few blocks out of my way to ride on roads with designated bike lanes and seek out lower traffic routes.
 
2012-07-19 09:14:53 AM  

libranoelrose: Is this gonna turn into one of those motorists vs bicyclists hate threads?


Almost inevitably. But I hope not.
 
2012-07-19 09:16:12 AM  
Omaha had that. There are creeks and canals running all through the city. They built bike paths on many of the levees, and bring the paths under most of the bridges, with "offramps" linking the to the main road. It's quite brilliant.

1.bp.blogspot.com

When I left, they were building a bicycle/foot bridge across the Missouri to connect to Council Bluffs (Council-Tuckey) Iowa. Not bad for a Red State.
 
2012-07-19 09:19:37 AM  

Izunbacol: When I left, they were building a bicycle/foot bridge across the Missouri to connect to Council Bluffs (Council-Tuckey) Iowa. Not bad for a Red State.


Cycling doesn't have to be a red-blue thing.
 
2012-07-19 09:34:21 AM  
who wore a rain jacket and carried a pair of pants in a backpack to put on after her 40-minute commute.

soooo she doesn't wear pants when she rides her bike?
 
2012-07-19 09:35:02 AM  

jiken: cyclists don't care if you build them a bike path. they always ride in traffic anyway. they want to feel like they're on a real vehicle or something. they have some strange psychology at work.


No kidding. Flint has a bike trail and I have seen new trails appearing in surrounding areas with hardly any sign of a cyclist. There are still plenty on the roads though. Some have got the bright idea to use the MTA buses now that the buses have bike racks. Last week was the worse example of logic I may have ever witnessed. The guy was pushing a lawnmower (pedestrian) on my right facing traffic, so nothing unusual. He was on the road though and as I approached him, he darted out into the road to the center line. I almost nailed him, since I was going 45 in a 45. I can't wrap my head around why he didn't go to the gravel shoulder when he had to know traffic is moving quickly.

/i had to get that out
//another truck was going the opposite direction at same time.
 
2012-07-19 09:38:54 AM  

gingerjet: Not only the greenway but Minneapolis had the first "bike highway" - Cedarlake trail into downtown.

[www.phototour.minneapolis.mn.us image 466x457]


That pic reminds me of the new bike paths being developed around here. As old train tracks are removed (out of service) they started paving the path for bikes.
 
2012-07-19 09:47:25 AM  

dickfreckle: You might have a point, but conveniently ignore the huge percentage of motorists who routinely break as many traffic laws as they can fit into a morning commute. Gets even worse after happy hour.

These bicycle threads wouldn't be so stupid if motorists ever bothered to admit that maybe they suck, too.


I've never seen a car avoid an intersection by driving on the sidewalk. That occurs about 50% of the time w/ bicycles in Philly.
 
2012-07-19 10:00:40 AM  

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I've never seen a car avoid an intersection by driving on the sidewalk. That occurs about 50% of the time w/ bicycles in Philly.


Why does that bother motorists so much? I also get a lot of the "hands in the air" signal from drivers when i go with a car at a four way stop.
 
2012-07-19 10:01:18 AM  
The Last Chase (1981) did it. (1:03)

Incidentally, the first movie I watched incessantly on the new-to-me HBO channel. Also the reason for my love of the post-apocalyptic genre!
 
2012-07-19 10:07:11 AM  
46 miles of car free paths here in Madison with another 106 miles of dedicated bike lanes that are wide enough to fit a car in. Love living here and I love my morning commute. There are few things more smugly self satisfying the pedaling over a highway and seeing that you are going faster than the cars in traffic.
 
2012-07-19 10:08:34 AM  

lack of warmth: No kidding. Flint has a bike trail and I have seen new trails appearing in surrounding areas with hardly any sign of a cyclist.


Does it go anyplace? Bike lanes and trails son't see a lot of practical use (commuters) if they are "roads to nowhere" like a lot of rail trails are.
 
2012-07-19 10:13:32 AM  
We have one bike path that starts nowhere and ends nowhere. It's just for exercise I suppose.
90 degrees with 98% humidity isn't bicycle commuting friendly anyway.
 
2012-07-19 10:13:32 AM  
I hate being a USAn.
 
2012-07-19 10:14:39 AM  
I'd rather ride in car traffic than deal with a bunch of twats sipping coffee and chatting on cellphones while they schlep to work at 5 mph. Just looking at the article photo made me almost yell "hold your line." Oh, and put on a f'ing helmet already.
 
2012-07-19 10:15:33 AM  

fireclown: lack of warmth: No kidding. Flint has a bike trail and I have seen new trails appearing in surrounding areas with hardly any sign of a cyclist.

Does it go anyplace? Bike lanes and trails son't see a lot of practical use (commuters) if they are "roads to nowhere" like a lot of rail trails are.


Disagrees.
i.ytimg.com
 
2012-07-19 10:16:51 AM  
I like riding my bike around Boston, but I can't stand the bikers here. The car traffic is bad enough without having to deal oblivious morons who can't stay to the side. Or worse, hipsters on fixies (Cambridge...)

I don't run red lights or blow through stop signs because I don't want to get hit. That goes double when I'm riding. If a car hits the bike, the car wins every single time and I don't want to farking die.
 
2012-07-19 10:20:47 AM  

Ham Sandvich: Or worse, hipsters on fixies


I've ridden a lot of miles over a lot of years, and this baffles me. How the eff did fixed gear bikes take off?
 
2012-07-19 10:27:45 AM  
 
2012-07-19 10:28:49 AM  
Anyone notice the biatch on a cellphone... you can take the person outta the car...
 
2012-07-19 10:32:41 AM  
Road to work today. Unfortunately Toronto has few bike lanes and they tend to begin/end randomly. The streets are hideously bad in the curb lanes, full of patches where utility repairs were done by every 20 feet by a careful method of cut, dig, fill, and patch-it-an-inch-lower-than-the-rest-of-the-road.

Oh yeah, and streetcar tracks on streets that haven't had service for nearly 20 years. They've twisted and developed gaps so they can never be used again, but the city made sure to leave them in hopes that bikers will get a wheel trapped and wipe out.
 
2012-07-19 10:32:48 AM  

wildcardjack: Copenhagen, with a high temperature Thursday of 18C, about 64F.

I'd bike to work in those temperatures just to warm up.

/Dallas, where the roads soften up in the summer.


Saint louis... recording our over 37th day at or above 100*
 
2012-07-19 10:35:48 AM  

THX 1138: Oh yeah, and streetcar tracks on streets that haven't had service for nearly 20 years. They've twisted and developed gaps so they can never be used again, but the city made sure to leave them in hopes that bikers will get a wheel trapped and wipe out.


Next time you come down south of the border, allow me to take you on a tour of Hagerstowns storm drains that seem to be DESIGNED to grab front wheels. I feel your pain about the streetcar rails. My sister got jacked up pretty bad riding over rail road crossing in Novia Scotia.
 
2012-07-19 10:37:15 AM  

fusillade762: The plan has received widespread support in a country whose left- and right-leaning lawmakers both regularly bike to work (albeit on slightly different models of bicycle).

GIS for "liberal bicycle"

[www.43bikes.com image 550x362]

GIS for "conservative bicycle"

[www.bicycletimesmag.com image 630x407]


Where the HELL can I find one of those old-school front racks? I've been looking like crazy for one. All they have here in pgh is some tube one up at Jerry's at $25 and things in catalogs at Trek for like at least $100. No styles that I'm interested in since they either look like they couldn't handle a load (not that I necessarily need to carry one, but if I'm going to get a rack I'm going to do it right) or they put so much into the styling of it that it becomes a luxury item and thus cost-prohibitive.

Anyone in the area looking to get rid of a front rack that would fit a 26" fork? It has two supports, and since I don't have a fender I could use either set.
 
2012-07-19 10:41:32 AM  

digistil: Spongebob Plaid Pants: I have 2 observations to make:

Looks like all the bicyclists in Copenhagen are female,

and,

There's always the one beeyotch that has to text while driving.

Wait until you see a cyclist riding to work in the morning... While smoking... While talking on their cell... While holding an umbrella to stay dry... While wearing a three piece suit.

/fairly common over here


Please post pics. I've been thinking about constructing a canopy for my eccentric bicycle, and want to feel less weird about it.
 
2012-07-19 10:44:03 AM  

Oznog: Oznog: fusillade762: The plan has received widespread support in a country whose left- and right-leaning lawmakers both regularly bike to work (albeit on slightly different models of bicycle).

GIS for "liberal bicycle"

[www.43bikes.com image 550x362]

GIS for "conservative bicycle"

[www.bicycletimesmag.com image 630x407]

I just settle for riding the town bicycle. Every day.

[www.aaanything.net image 500x336]

GIS for "town bike" gave this interesting result.


Interesting is right. Grip shifter for a bottom bracket derailleur on BMX bars?
 
2012-07-19 10:46:27 AM  

I sound fat: Im assuming they would then be expected to actually follow to RULES of that road, which is something bicyclists are apparently unable to do ever. disaster in the making.


To be fair, neither can any of you assholes in your self-important pollution machines.
 
2012-07-19 10:46:52 AM  

rubi_con_man: zez: Nobody walks and talks that way, why should we have to bike that way?

Look, If you're the only two people out for a leisurely walk in the country side, meandering gently, that's one thing.

... But you're in TRAFFIC. With hundreds of other people who don't give a thing about you and your buddy. They're trying to get someplace, and if you're talking to your friend, then I'll bet more than 70% of them want to pass your butt. At that point, whether you're walking or riding, doing so abreast is just a dick move. It would be unthinkable for three drivers to clog up a highway by 'driving abreast'. Don't be a dick and assume that quality of your conversation is worth screwing up the lives of hundreds or thousands of other people.

Context is important.


Riding 2 abreast is more for safety reasons than conversational. Sorry to burst your bubble. 2 riders wide is just easier to see. Any road with any semblance of a shoulder will facilitate 2 wide easily. If it doesn't try being patient and often the cyclists will fall into single file to let you by.
 
2012-07-19 10:48:21 AM  

zez: I bike a lot, and I do like how they mention in the article that they made the lanes so people could ride side by side and talk. I hate riding with someone and having to ride single file while yelling over my shoulder at the person behind me or verse-visa.

Nobody walks and talks that way, why should we have to bike that way?


Because you're commuting, not socializing. Go to a coffee shop or a porn store, like normal people.
 
2012-07-19 10:52:20 AM  

thelordofcheese: Because you're commuting, not socializing. Go to a coffee shop or a porn store, like normal people.


As a cyclist, I concur. You only ride 2 abreast out in the stix, not in town.
 
2012-07-19 10:54:08 AM  

Teknowaffle: jiken: cyclists don't care if you build them a bike path. they always ride in traffic anyway. they want to feel like they're on a real vehicle or something. they have some strange psychology at work.

I am somewhat convinced of this too to some extent. I went to school in Santa Cruz, Ca, and a lot of the college kids ride bikes down from campus (they are too lazy to ride up the hill).

Every now and then, some one would be killed while riding a bike on Mission Street. The local bicyclists would be up in arms about how drivers needed to be more careful on Mission Street.

The thing is, Mission street is a State Highway! Hwy 1 (the PCH in SoCal) turns into it while going through Santa Cruz. The road is really narrow, the speed limit is high, and there is a crap load of traffic. But you still have idiots toodling along on their bikes on a dangerous street as though they own it. I was too scare to ride on it unless it was 6am, and I actually had a crapload of experience on dangerous roads.

I could never understand why they were so damn insistent on riding on Mission Street, when 45 seconds away, running parallel along Mission Street were two wide, quiet streets with HUGE bike lanes that no one ever seemed to want to use.

Why the desire to ride in dangerous traffic, when you had safe, easy lanes a short pedal away?


City planning fail. They need signs directing bicycle traffic. You can't blame the citizens for being ignorant when the government doesn't do anything to make them aware.
 
2012-07-19 10:54:53 AM  

fireclown: lack of warmth: No kidding. Flint has a bike trail and I have seen new trails appearing in surrounding areas with hardly any sign of a cyclist.

Does it go anyplace? Bike lanes and trails son't see a lot of practical use (commuters) if they are "roads to nowhere" like a lot of rail trails are.


I live near one end of it, and it takes you along the Flint river to downtown. If I ever had the need to go down town by bike, that would be my choice. It's faster than catching the bus and avoids a lot of traffic. This area has a weird thing about people in the road, even pedestrians. Sidewalks are often not used. My wife and I got weird looks from people for going to the intersection and waiting for the light when walking to Comerica Park and Flint is just like that. The surrounding areas have a lot of weekend riders that don't use the trails which seems odd since they asked for them. Davison on the other hand have a lot of riders and they are rarely on major roads. I almost never see a rider until I go to a park in Davison and seems like half the people there rode to the park. I saw one dad had a 20" trainer and a toddler cart attached to his bike like a train.
 
2012-07-19 10:55:28 AM  
I've noticed that pedestrians also seem to be blind to bikes. This week alone I've nearly hit four people who stepped off the sidewalk in order to get a better view up the street to see if their bus was approaching. I mean, I know I'm not as big as a car, but with the hideous snapping noise my shiatty bottom bracket makes, I know I can be heard from a mile away.
 
2012-07-19 10:55:33 AM  
1.) You are incredibly lucky if you live extremely close to where you work.
2.) You are fortunate you live in either an area that has fair weather, your place of work has showers, you don't care if you stink and sweat.
3.) You are fortunate you do not have many responsibilities allowing you the additional time to commute via bicycle.
4.) You are either fortunate you do not need to commute ever during the day or have access to company vehicles.

I just don't understand how there can truly be that many people that meet all 4 of these criteria. I don't live very far from work, only 5 miles, but good f'ing luck making that ride by bike. If I lived next to work, it would be completely unaffordable. It is very hot here, but even if it wasn't I wouldn't ride by bicycle in my work clothes, I would never wear a suit and bike. We don't have showers here because we aren't downtown in some executive suite. We have our own property. Time is the most precious thing. Even if I could make the bike trip, I could get there way quicker by car. I am not going to arbitrarily add 15-30 minutes to my commute. Regularly, I have appointments to see clients, go on presentations, go out for lunch, or the unknown - things come up and I need a car to get me there. I can't have someone ride on my bike.

Seriously, how many people fit all 4 of these criteria? Even just not meeting 1 of those makes commute by bicycle not worth it. I guess if you worked in a flower shop downtown and lived in some hipster co-op apartment you could do this...
 
2012-07-19 10:57:01 AM  

Coming on a Bicycle: That is the thing: you're in the middle of a transition. My country (NL) is fully made bicycle-aware, but there are strict rules: no bicycles on any roads where you can go faster then 50kph, and even then we make bicycle lanes mostly everywhere.


Come to PA. You can even ride on the interstates.

- A pedalcycle may be operated on the
shoulder of a highway and shall be operated in the same direction as
required of vehicles operated on the roadway.
 
2012-07-19 10:59:22 AM  
I noticed though during a large charity ride that allowed us to ride on closed roads that cyclists still don't behave like proper traffic. Even with other cyclists. The idea of slower traffic to the right, faster traffic to the left went out the window when everyone started behaving like senior citizens at the mall at Christmas time.
Seven riders pacing eachother, side by each and talking to eachother paying to attention to the calls of "On your left!" or acknowleding that someone may want to go a little quicker than the blistering 13km/hr they were pacing.

Also calling anyone on a bike a cyclist is a piss off too. There's better riders than me sure, but do i compare with someone's 9 year old nephew or the down and outer riding with a case of Laker on his handle bars and smoking?
 
2012-07-19 11:15:37 AM  

fireclown: Ham Sandvich: Or worse, hipsters on fixies

I've ridden a lot of miles over a lot of years, and this baffles me. How the eff did fixed gear bikes take off?


One of the wrenches at my lbs swear they're great for training yourself to pedal evenly through the full rotation. I cycle up and down a 300m high escarpment regularly so I'll take my eccentric motion over having to walk.
 
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