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(Hardball Talk)   If you are a police officer, do not yell racial slurs at Boston Red Sox outfielders. Also, "Monday" is now a racial slur   (hardballtalk.nbcsports.com) divider line 61
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2012-07-18 01:29:39 PM
Wow. I guess you DO learn something new every day. O_o
 
2012-07-18 02:32:11 PM
It's been a racial slur / joke for a while

"Why are black people called 'Mondays'... cause no one likes Mondays."
 
2012-07-18 02:44:29 PM
Monday, please.
 
2012-07-18 02:46:16 PM
www.damnthatsracist.com

Someone's got a bad case of the Mondays.
 
2012-07-18 08:39:14 PM
that's why Jamaicans call each other "Mon"
 
2012-07-18 08:44:23 PM
Garfield is a f*cking racist!

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2012-07-18 08:46:49 PM
 
2012-07-18 08:53:35 PM
That was a wacky little event with the called-off steal, wasn't it?
 
2012-07-18 09:05:17 PM
now do asians
 
2012-07-18 09:17:41 PM
Great, now people will insist I say "see you on that day between Sunday and Tuesday" for fear of insulting anyone.
 
2012-07-18 09:27:28 PM
Is it more of a slur if you repeat it?
 
2012-07-18 09:28:40 PM
Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Garfield is a f*cking racist!

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It finally all makes sense....diabolical!
 
2012-07-18 09:34:45 PM
Bob geldof better watch out which neighborhoods he performs in
 
2012-07-18 09:43:54 PM
Farking watch your words, people, "Canadian" is next.

Blame the waiters.
 
2012-07-18 09:51:54 PM
I've heard more racial slurs than I can recall, but never heard of that one. Seems awfully tame compared to most, still doesn't make it right.
 
2012-07-18 09:58:36 PM
This happened in Boston!? Call me shocked! Shocked, I say!
 
2012-07-18 10:02:59 PM
New one for me. I guess I'm getting too old. I guess the theory is that it's a code word for the "N" word. Maybe people will now come up with a code word for "Mondays". Pencil = Mondays = N-word

Another definition of "Mondays" from Urban Dictionary

(1) Hittin the bowl first- Being the first to smoke the weed!
Joey, it's your weed, so you can have mondays.


Wasn't Obama famous for "hittin the bowl first". Would that make him a Mondays M******?
 
2012-07-18 10:03:12 PM
You guys all sound like a bunch of M-word morning quarterbacks.
 
2012-07-18 10:18:24 PM
Lsherm: Farking watch your words, people, "Canadian" is next.

Blame the waiters.


When my sister was a waitress, they used "Canadian" there, so she said.
 
2012-07-18 10:26:31 PM
Makh: This happened in Boston!? Call me shocked! Shocked, I say!

Actually it happened in New Hampshire.
 
2012-07-18 10:30:26 PM

ChrisDe: Is it more of a slur if you repeat it?


Baa-daa, baa-da-da-da!
 
2012-07-18 10:30:49 PM
I think the real news here is that someone felt compelled to heckle at a minor league game. That's minor league, dude.
 
2012-07-18 10:33:40 PM
Porchmonday?

/takin' it back
 
2012-07-18 10:58:13 PM
Welcome to last week??

/seriously everyone knows people from Boston are guilty of egregious racist crimes more than anyone in the South ever committed
//people from Mass also hated Jews more than any German ever did
///Kill Jews and Negros because they aren't from South ie
////Seriously???
 
2012-07-18 11:05:12 PM
Only when it is a "Monday to Friday" plane
 
2012-07-18 11:10:22 PM

laid back w/bud light: I've heard more racial slurs than I can recall, but never heard of that one. Seems awfully tame compared to most, still doesn't make it right.


Fark it, I'm using it. Not just for blacks, but for everyone. It's a universal slur for me from now on.

Don't like it? Fark you you lazy greasy smelly stupid drunken herring choking monday!!
 
2012-07-18 11:41:22 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Fark it, I'm using it. Not just for blacks, but for everyone. It's a universal slur for me

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2012-07-19 12:37:52 AM

TheManofPA: Only when it is a "Monday to Friday" plane


Porch-monkey* fighting snakes?

*Takin' it back.
 
2012-07-19 12:49:37 AM
Perhaps subby doesn't remember Fleetwood Mac's controversial song "Monday Morning" which (to only the most discerning listener) concerns the high rates of divorce in urban black families.
 
2012-07-19 01:02:51 AM

laid back w/bud light: I've heard more racial slurs than I can recall, but never heard of that one. Seems awfully tame compared to most, still doesn't make it right.


I've heard it a bunch of times over the years, usually said by third-generation New-England Irish assholes who are at least seven notches dumber than they think they are. The kind of asshole called O'Connell or Sully or Finny or Vinny ("short" for Kevin), the kind of guy who once hears something vaguely clever (like "All generalisations are false-- including this one!") and then repeats it ad nauseam without ever really thinking about it because he assumes that his surface-level comprehension is total, never getting to the actual paradox. The kind of guy who never, ever, ever thinks about consequences or ramifications in any context (from interpreting the depth of lame paronomasia to analysing sport and onwards) and so constantly does things like dully harping on the sin of birth control before forcing his teenage slagbag to get two or three abortions in the two years they date (because neither of them can goddamn count). The kind of guy who thinks that Comedy Central roasts are the funniest things ever, but assumes that everything is said in earnest and the comedians can finally say what they mean about each other, missing the whole damn point (a damn-near universal assessment of their ability to handle anything remotely clever). And yes, my sample size is large enough that these are generalisations over a decent-sized population, not extrapolations from a mere few.

Lsherm: Farking watch your words, people, "Canadian" is next.


I've heard this one, too, sometimes as a vaguely disguised racial slur, but occasionally used as a euphemism, of sorts, for the filthier form of cunny. As in, "That woman is a real Cun...adian..."

But, then, these are people of the land, the common clay of the northeast... You know...morons.
 
2012-07-19 01:04:02 AM
Every other day, every other day,
Every other day of the week is fine, yeah
But whenever Monday comes, but whenever Monday comes
You can find me cryin' all of the time
 
2012-07-19 01:13:51 AM
Does kind of cast a pall over that one Bangles song, isn't it?

"It's just another manic Monday...
I wish it was Sunday,
'Cause that's my "fun"-day,
My "I don't have to run"-day--
It's just another manic Monday"

Gets a biatchilling, there.
 
2012-07-19 04:14:52 AM

MadAzza: ChrisDe: Is it more of a slur if you repeat it?

Baa-daa, baa-da-da-da!


jaylectricity: Every other day, every other day,
Every other day of the week is fine, yeah
But whenever Monday comes, but whenever Monday comes
You can find me cryin' all of the time


That's what I said!
 
2012-07-19 04:50:40 AM
according to urban dictionary, EVERYTHING is a racial slur or offensive in some manner. Its user generated (read: teenage moron generated) content. If it isnt up there, you can PUT it up there.

All the cop has to do is record the person suspending him saying ANYTHING, anything at all. Then go to Urban dictionary and change the meaning of the word to show that that supervisor was anti-white cop, and POOF he gets a new supervisor who isnt stupid enough to suspend someone over something on urban dictionary.

/ I refuse to accept the bastardization of the perfectly fine word MONDAY as an offensive term to anyone.
 
2012-07-19 07:12:44 AM
Nevermind all this, it's just another manic Monday...
 
2012-07-19 07:47:58 AM
Tell me why.
 
2012-07-19 07:52:44 AM
I've never heard of the Monday thing as an actual slur. More of a joke. The idea is you and your buddies walk into a bar full of black people. You say to your friend "Man, I hate Mondays". No one at the bar thinks your talking about them because everyone hates Mondays. Now I've only ever heard it as a joke and have never used it in a public setting, but I suppose it could be used as a slur by racist a-holes.
 
2012-07-19 08:47:48 AM

Lsherm: Farking watch your words, people, "Canadian" is next.

Blame the waiters.


Actually, a guy I worked with about 15 years ago used to refer to black people as Canadians. He did, in fact, have a mullet and drive an IROC Z Camaro.
 
2012-07-19 09:10:33 AM
So Live Aid really was just a big scam.
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No wonder none of the money ever got to Africa. Geldof hated Mondays all along.
 
2012-07-19 10:11:32 AM
So if its Tuesday, you're white and you have an black employee that missed work the previous day. Be careful that you ask "Where we're you Monday?" god forbid you hiccup or something after "you"
 
2012-07-19 10:27:05 AM

beefoe: New one for me. I guess I'm getting too old. I guess the theory is that it's a code word for the "N" word. Maybe people will now come up with a code word for "Mondays". Pencil = Mondays = N-word

Another definition of "Mondays" from Urban Dictionary

(1) Hittin the bowl first- Being the first to smoke the weed!
Joey, it's your weed, so you can have mondays.

Wasn't Obama famous for "hittin the bowl first". Would that make him a Mondays M******?


Thought Sunday was the first day of the week?
 
2012-07-19 10:34:40 AM
I don't care if Mondays black
Tuesday Wednesday heart attack
Thursday never looking back
It's Friday I'm in love


Uh oh
 
2012-07-19 10:50:29 AM

MadAzza: MadAzza: ChrisDe: Is it more of a slur if you repeat it?

Baa-daa, baa-da-da-da!

jaylectricity: Every other day, every other day,
Every other day of the week is fine, yeah
But whenever Monday comes, but whenever Monday comes
You can find me cryin' all of the time

That's what I said!


My apologies for referencing the same song. But, I thought a few of the words were in order.
 
2012-07-19 11:02:37 AM
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2012-07-19 11:31:00 AM

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2012-07-19 11:36:39 AM

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Very nice. lol.
 
2012-07-19 12:29:24 PM

jaylectricity: MadAzza: MadAzza: ChrisDe: Is it more of a slur if you repeat it?

Baa-daa, baa-da-da-da!

jaylectricity: Every other day, every other day,
Every other day of the week is fine, yeah
But whenever Monday comes, but whenever Monday comes
You can find me cryin' all of the time

That's what I said!

My apologies for referencing the same song. But, I thought a few of the words were in order.


No apology needed! I'm just whining because mine didn't make sense *without* the words. :-)
 
2012-07-19 12:44:18 PM

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Is that Bob Geldof?
 
2012-07-19 01:28:21 PM
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Sir! I'm going to make this clear. I'm in no way, shape or form involved in any kind of Monday-dom.
 
2012-07-19 01:44:05 PM

I sound fat: according to urban dictionary, EVERYTHING is a racial slur or offensive in some manner. Its user generated (read: teenage moron generated) content. If it isnt up there, you can PUT it up there.

All the cop has to do is record the person suspending him saying ANYTHING, anything at all. Then go to Urban dictionary and change the meaning of the word to show that that supervisor was anti-white cop, and POOF he gets a new supervisor who isnt stupid enough to suspend someone over something on urban dictionary.

/ I refuse to accept the bastardization of the perfectly fine word MONDAY as an offensive term to anyone.


While you're superficially sort of almost right, there's a bit more to it than that. Look at the UD page for "Monday": 6 meanings, one of which is borderline gibberish, four of which refer to the day of the week, and the last of which is the racial slur. That entry dates back to 2007, and was the third entry posted (after the best entry and the aforementioned gibberish). It's been on UD for five years now, which is kind of a long time for UD, and has by far the most votes (more than the others combined). There are time-stamps on entries; simply creating a new slang term and then growing irate when people don't understand your outrage at its casual use simply doesn't work. In this case, there's clearly more going on than just refuge in offense.

Obviously, the offensive outlier among entries is going to get the most attention. Why, however, a person would ever look up the word "Monday" on UrbanDictionary without knowing that it's a racist term is beyond me, but I assume the earliest entry attracted a fair number of curiosity clicks that resulted in two updates and a spate of voting before the redundant ones cropped up.

According to the OED, "monday" is a mid-20th-century slang term for a huge sledgehammer-- the slang term arose from the joke that having to heft the hammer on a Monday required such exertion that it basically undid the weekend's peacefulness (I'm paraphrasing). It was also once a euphemism for "bloody," apparently coined by Kipling (in the combination "Monday-head") to mean "hangover"; read his poem Snarleyow for the reference (the filter would prevent my posting the relevant line, but suffice it to say reads as a little racist). Incidentally, though I'm certain this is unrelated, "Monday-land" is a 14th-century word referring to the type of tenant farming that bound and obligated the farmer to work for the landlord every monday as a form of very weak servitude (which was, in the day, considered part of the rent, and not slavery at all); this concept continued, though the word fell out of use. Again, there's no way bottom-scraping American racists resurrected and adapted a word from hundreds of years ago in order to sling some racism; I just think it's an interesting tidbit. Anyway, there's an almost 700 year history of the word Monday being used slangily or colloquially to refer to unpleasant things. It's hardly surprising that someone eventually applied it to a race of people, particularly in a famously (though actually not particularly) monochrome region.

Then in 2008, Canadian/Indian comic Russell Peters popularised the term on Def Comedy Jam. It's unlikely that he coined the term-- after all, it was already on UD-- but he cites a conversation (NSFW language, clearly) with a guy in Boston who used the word "Mondays" in its racist sense. The term was pretty well established in parts and segments of New England well before that performance, but it's been spread about since then and is now comparatively well established. And it's not as though Peters is some obscure blip on the comedy scene-- he's been performing since the late '80s, hosted the 2008 Juno Awards, and earned something like $15million between mid-2009 and mid-2010. It's possible he'd been doing that bit for a while, and an earlier version inspired the UD entry, but that's something that could well be unknowable. And I can tell you from personal experience that assholes in the Boston area have been calling black folks "Mondays" since at least the mid-'90s. At the very least.

So, yes, it's easy to make up slang terms. It's not so easy to give them traction, history, and relevance. I could right now go post a new slang term on UD-- I bet there's no entry for "bowtie" as slang for a gay man (which I've heard a few times over the years). I could make up illustrative sentences and everything-- "Remember when Crossfire was on the air, hosted by Paul Begala and that flaming bowtie?"-- but any attempt to force haberdasheries to adopt a new term would be utterly fruitless (pun only sort of intended). Give it a decade, though, of proliferation and there could well be more sympathy. Still not much, I'd hope, but more. Given that this particular police incident involved a bloke from near Boston, which has been established (by Peters and, less importantly for your purposes, my own experience) as a relatively common ground for this term's use, I understand the problem. My guess is the Leominster Mayor's office and police department took a straw poll to see whether anyone had heard Monday used as a slur, and found more raised hands than none, so had to admit that it was probably intended to offend.

Then again, it could be that the officer in question assumes that nobody likes overpaid underperforming ballplayers, and race had nothing to do with it. I doubt it, but I have to admit that it's possible.
 
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