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2012-07-18 02:49:05 PM
As a purely intellectual exercise: try to imagine the reaction online and from the "liberal" media if a Democratic candidate refused to release his tax returns and made statements of this type.
 
2012-07-18 02:50:12 PM
Am I the only one who hates made up direct "quotes" in headlines, from either side of the aisle?
 
2012-07-18 02:52:18 PM
Oh, I think people in my party just say, "Look, this is a non-issue. Just release the returns and it will go away." My experience is that the Democratic Party these days has approached taxes in a very different way than in the past. Their opposition people look for anything they can find to distort, to twist, and to try and make negative.

Um. Switch your tag to (D) and see what your current team does.
 
2012-07-18 02:53:32 PM
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Hammer him.
 
2012-07-18 02:55:53 PM

Jackson Herring: Am I the only one who hates made up direct "quotes" in headlines, from either side of the aisle?


Eh, it seems to be a pretty standard Farkism. I usually assume subby is paraphrasing for comedic/trolling effect, unless it ends with something like, "no, really. He actually said that."

/Not subby.
 
2012-07-18 02:59:17 PM
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2012-07-18 03:00:31 PM
The funny thing is I don't even care if he does. His record at Bain and as Gov. of Mass. says everything there needs to be known about the man.
 
2012-07-18 03:02:47 PM
I wonder how bad it will look for him if he releases 1999-2002 considering the whole question of what he was/was not doing for Bain in that period. Was it just the 100k for doing nothing or are there performance bonus's for doing nothing?

The more he fights it the less I trust him and we started at zero trust.
 
2012-07-18 03:03:23 PM

Jackson Herring: Am I the only one who hates made up direct "quotes" in headlines, from either side of the aisle?


Yeah, I don't like it. It's intellectually dishonest. It's easy to construct a sentence that doesn't use them but still has the same effect. At least this is Fark, what I hate is when writers do this in published articles.
 
2012-07-18 03:06:56 PM
He's completely farked either way. Which is good for the country.
 
2012-07-18 03:08:39 PM
FTFA: Loose translation of Mitt Romney's message to Republicans calling for him to release his tax returns: "Guys, trust me, if I release my returns it'll be even worse than it already is."

So, what language did he originally say that in? Was it German? Maybe French? Because otherwise, it's not a translation, it's what we call "making things up". But then, the Democrats are good at that.
 
2012-07-18 03:09:17 PM

Jackson Herring: Am I the only one who hates made up direct "quotes" in headlines, from either side of the aisle?


"Me too."
 
2012-07-18 03:11:21 PM

BillCo: FTFA: Loose translation of Mitt Romney's message to Republicans calling for him to release his tax returns: "Guys, trust me, if I release my returns it'll be even worse than it already is."

So, what language did he originally say that in? Was it German? Maybe French? Because otherwise, it's not a translation, it's what we call "making things up". But then, the Democrats are good at that.


Translation: "I got nuthin'."
 
2012-07-18 03:14:28 PM

BillCo: FTFA: Loose translation of Mitt Romney's message to Republicans calling for him to release his tax returns: "Guys, trust me, if I release my returns it'll be even worse than it already is."

So, what language did he originally say that in? Was it German? Maybe French? Because otherwise, it's not a translation, it's what we call "making things up". But then, the Democrats are good at that.


You sound taxed enough already... Maybe you should go lie down or play with your crayons.
 
2012-07-18 03:15:58 PM
Jackson Herring: "I love made up quotes. They're the bees' knees."
 
2012-07-18 03:20:06 PM

Vodka Zombie: Jackson Herring: "I love made up quotes. They're the bees' knees."


propasaurus: "Me too."


less than three.
 
2012-07-18 03:22:30 PM

Jackson Herring: Am I the only one who hates made up direct "quotes" in headlines, from either side of the aisle?


We need some sort of headline shorthand for paraphrasing, or maybe just a primer on when quotation marks should be used.
 
2012-07-18 03:23:17 PM

bdub77: The funny thing is I don't even care if he does. His record at Bain and as Gov. of Mass. says everything there needs to be known about the man.


The fact that he's doing everything he can to avoid talking about his time as governor says a lot as well.

Namely, he's absolutely ashamed of what he did when he actually had political power.
 
2012-07-18 03:24:34 PM

propasaurus: BillCo: FTFA: Loose translation of Mitt Romney's message to Republicans calling for him to release his tax returns: "Guys, trust me, if I release my returns it'll be even worse than it already is."

So, what language did he originally say that in? Was it German? Maybe French? Because otherwise, it's not a translation, it's what we call "making things up". But then, the Democrats are good at that.

Translation: "I got nuthin'."


Sweet
 
2012-07-18 03:25:41 PM
He really needs to release them now. Get it over with. Because if he goes all the way through to November without releasing anything else, swing voters are going to grow more and more suspicious. If he is going to win, he's going to win in a very close election. He can't afford even a small part of the middle getting suspicious.

Disclaimer: I am in no way undecided or a swing voter. I do not know how swing voters think. It boggles my mind that there are still people who are undecided.
 
2012-07-18 03:25:49 PM
"I hereby decree that all horse farting videos will be deleted from the internet." - President Barack Obama
 
2012-07-18 03:27:48 PM
I like what Maryland governor Martin O'Malley said: McCain saw Romney's taxes and chose Palin.
 
2012-07-18 03:28:13 PM

Jackson Herring: Vodka Zombie: Jackson Herring: "I love made up quotes. They're the bees' knees."

propasaurus: "Me too."

More than three.


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2012-07-18 03:28:14 PM

BillCo: FTFA: Loose translation of Mitt Romney's message to Republicans calling for him to release his tax returns: "Guys, trust me, if I release my returns it'll be even worse than it already is."

So, what language did he originally say that in? Was it German? Maybe French? Because otherwise, it's not a translation, it's what we call "making things up". But then, the Democrats are good at that.


Did you miss your nap today? Because you sound a bit addled. Words sometimes have multiple meanings. Translated, for instance, can mean to render in another language or to explain in different words or paraphrase.

Of course, you seem to prefer to be intentionally obtuse, so it's not surprising that you're pretending the word was used incorrectly.
 
2012-07-18 03:29:38 PM

Jackson Herring: Am I the only one who hates made up direct "quotes" in headlines, from either side of the aisle?


"Both sides make up quotes so vote for Romney" -Fartson Herring
 
2012-07-18 03:29:44 PM

GreenAdder: I like what Maryland governor Martin O'Malley said: McCain saw Romney's taxes and chose Palin.


Actually, McCain said that too. And then he tried to make up for it. And then the internets exploded in laughter.
 
2012-07-18 03:30:11 PM
Also, he is right that they will be picked through and used against him. Almost anything can probably be turned against him. Criticism can be anywhere from his ridiculously low effective tax rate and tax shelters to "ZOMG!! He wants to abolish green energy tax credits but took advantage of them when retrofitting his New Hampshire mansion!" But I have a feeling that if he rips it off like a band aid now, it won't hurt nearly as bad as it would if he releases nothing more. Speculation is probably worse than knowledge in this case.
 
2012-07-18 03:35:27 PM
Cable News abhors a vacuum. The longer he waits the more They get to fill in the blanks.

"They say Romney's 2001 tax return includes writing off a vodka-peeing sculpture of Jerry Sandusky at a pool party with Osama Bin Laden at Kim Jong Il's mansion"
"They say Romney paid his entire 2008 tax bill by stealing pennies from the Dunkin Donuts 'take a penny, leave a penny' cup"
"They say Romney's 2006 tax return is just a video of him taking a shiat in the Shriners' Hospital mailbox."
"They say Romney got Green Tax Credits in 2009 for retrofitting his Dusenberg to run on the souls of dead orphans."
 
2012-07-18 03:35:50 PM

Vodka Zombie: GreenAdder: I like what Maryland governor Martin O'Malley said: McCain saw Romney's taxes and chose Palin.

Actually, McCain said that too. And then he tried to make up for it. And then the internets exploded in laughter.


It's funny that McCain essentially walked into the same trap Romney did with the whole Bain/SEC thing. Whichever way he answers only opens him up to attack from the other side.

Either he saw something so bad in Romney's file that Palin was better or Romney was better but he still went with Palin and put party over country.
 
2012-07-18 03:36:30 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: Speculation is probably worse than knowledge in this case.


True to his campaign thus far: Schrodinger's Tax Returns -- until we actually see them, they contain both damning information and nothing.
 
2012-07-18 03:37:30 PM
I can understand his worry. For some reason people think that success is a bad thing.

And Rommey has been very very very successful
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-07-18 03:37:52 PM
If he was one of the ones who paid no tax at all then it would look very bad.

Romney may know what he is doing.
 
2012-07-18 03:38:32 PM

sweetmelissa31: Jackson Herring: Am I the only one who hates made up direct "quotes" in headlines, from either side of the aisle?

"Both sides make up quotes so vote for Romney" -Fartson Herring


"Jackson Herring is totally hot and has an above-average thingy" -sweetmelissa31
 
2012-07-18 03:40:45 PM

Jackson Herring: sweetmelissa31: Jackson Herring: Am I the only one who hates made up direct "quotes" in headlines, from either side of the aisle?

"Both sides make up quotes so vote for Romney" -Fartson Herring

"Jackson Herring is totally hot and has an above-average thingy" -sweetmelissa31


Bump uglies and have little Lenins already,
 
2012-07-18 03:42:14 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I can understand his worry. For some reason "people who live only inside my head think that success is a bad thing."

And Rommey has been very very very successful

 
2012-07-18 03:42:55 PM
Ugh, THAT'S NOT WHAT HE SAID!! He said that if he DID release them, the Dems would make hay out of it, one way or the other. He's essentially admitting he's f*cked no matter what he does, because it'll all be twisted and spun. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I'm not necessarily saying it's a bad thing in this case, though.

/Hell, the GOP would do the same if given the chance.
 
2012-07-18 03:43:34 PM

Jackson Herring: sweetmelissa31: Jackson Herring: Am I the only one who hates made up direct "quotes" in headlines, from either side of the aisle?

"Both sides make up quotes so vote for Romney" -Fartson Herring

"Jackson Herring is totally hot and has an above-average thingy" -sweetmelissa31


"Jackson Herring smells worse than Peach's butthole right after she took a dump and forgot to clean herself." -Mario the cat
 
2012-07-18 03:46:08 PM
My guess is that he not only paid zero taxes in some years, he also got million-dollar refunds in those years, while squirreling away millions more offshore. It's also possible that his returns would also show somehow that he indeed was not involved in the day to day operations of Bain and was only a do-nothing figurehead who got paid to stay out of the way.
 
2012-07-18 03:47:33 PM

xanadian: Ugh, THAT'S NOT WHAT HE SAID!! He said that if he DID release them, the Dems would make hay out of it, one way or the other. He's essentially admitting he's f*cked no matter what he does, because it'll all be twisted and spun. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I'm not necessarily saying it's a bad thing in this case, though.

/Hell, the GOP would do the same if given the chance.


But, if it is truly "benign", there wouldn't be anything to "twist".

Honestly, there is probably more there that would be damaging to certain voters in his own party (ie, the "reality" of what he's given to the Mormon Church, etc) than to swing voters.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-07-18 03:51:18 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I can understand his worry. For some reason people think that success is a bad thing.

And Rommey has been very very very successful


If you are successful at not paying taxes then yes, it's a bad thing.
 
2012-07-18 03:57:05 PM
Some people have expressed surprise that Romney is having such a hard time with these attacks. Here's what I think-

They didn't expect the attacks, because they truly didn't think they ever did anything wrong. These people ALWAYS put profit before job creation. They ALWAYS tried to hide as much money from the tax man as possible. They ALWAYS shipped money offshore. To them, these are perfect acceptable ways to act. I think the fact that most Americans are now making it clear that it is not an acceptable way to act is simply shocking to them.
 
2012-07-18 03:57:41 PM

Aarontology: bdub77: The funny thing is I don't even care if he does. His record at Bain and as Gov. of Mass. says everything there needs to be known about the man.

The fact that he's doing everything he can to avoid talking about his time as governor says a lot as well.

Namely, he's absolutely ashamed of what he did when he actually had political power.


He is not ashamed at all.

He has no shame.

He would not have been able to knowingly fark over thousands of people, raid pension funds and ship business overseas simply to fatten his own bottom line if he had an ounce of shame, compassion, humility or decency.

He feels, and probably rightly so, that releasing the info would fark him politically because it would expose even more proof of just what a soulless bastard he is.
 
2012-07-18 03:59:03 PM
He should just dump the tax returns on the media at 4:59PM on Friday so they media can go nuts on the weekend when no one is paying attention. Seriously, almost every political "scandal" like this in recent decades has occurred because the candidate didn't come clean. Even Obama found the long version of his birth certificate, despite the public already seeing the legal version, because the noise from the media and other nut jobs (cough ... Trump) was getting annoying. Just get it out there and move on. It is not even August, most of the general public will forget anything embarrassing by Election Day. He doesn't want to still be dealing with this in September.

What are the returns going to say that people aren't already speculating about? He off-shored many jobs as CEO of Bain? He didn't pay taxes or paid lower taxes than many Americans some years due to loopholes and a lower tax rate for investment income? He has much more money in overseas accounts than he has let on? These are all things that many suspect and probably wouldn't be a real surprise to many.

Now if it turns out that he didn't donate to his church, well that would probably piss off a few people.
 
2012-07-18 03:59:16 PM

Dinki: Some people have expressed surprise that Romney is having such a hard time with these attacks. Here's what I think-

They didn't expect the attacks, because they truly didn't think they ever did anything wrong. These people ALWAYS put profit before job creation. They ALWAYS tried to hide as much money from the tax man as possible. They ALWAYS shipped money offshore. To them, these are perfect acceptable ways to act. I think the fact that most Americans are now making it clear that it is not an acceptable way to act is simply shocking to them.


Yup.
 
2012-07-18 04:01:58 PM
George Romney released 12 years of tax returns when he ran for President in 1968. You'd think his son would be proud to follow his example.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-07-18 04:03:32 PM

Dinki: Some people have expressed surprise that Romney is having such a hard time with these attacks. Here's what I think-

They didn't expect the attacks, because they truly didn't think they ever did anything wrong. These people ALWAYS put profit before job creation. They ALWAYS tried to hide as much money from the tax man as possible. They ALWAYS shipped money offshore. To them, these are perfect acceptable ways to act. I think the fact that most Americans are now making it clear that it is not an acceptable way to act is simply shocking to them.


I doubt he even realizes that there are people who don't feel the same way.
 
2012-07-18 04:15:28 PM

Dinki: I think the fact that most Americans are now making it clear that it is not an acceptable way to act


I don't think this is necessarily true, unfortunately.
 
2012-07-18 04:17:32 PM
Duh. We're talking about the same person who will change his answer within 6 hours just to be popular with the group in front of him.
 
2012-07-18 04:28:12 PM

Lorelle: George Romney released 12 years of tax returns when he ran for President in 1968. You'd think his son would be proud to follow his example.


Mitt, like W and McCain, is trying to 'one up' his dad. Prove his better than his father.

All 3 fail.
 
2012-07-18 04:31:56 PM

Lorelle: George Romney released 12 years of tax returns when he ran for President in 1968. You'd think his son would be proud to follow his example.


Thing is there appears to be some questions about Mittens accumulation of wealth. Not necessarily legal, although valid, but ethical questions.

Dear old Dad didn't have these problems.
 
2012-07-18 04:32:56 PM

BillCo: FTFA: Loose translation of Mitt Romney's message to Republicans calling for him to release his tax returns: "Guys, trust me, if I release my returns it'll be even worse than it already is."

So, what language did he originally say that in? Was it German? Maybe French?


Probably BASIC
 
2012-07-18 04:33:18 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I can understand his worry. For some reason people think that success is a bad thing.

And Rommey has been very very very successful


...at farking companies over and sucking out their money like a goddamn financial vampire, yeah.
 
2012-07-18 04:35:48 PM

Lando Lincoln: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I can understand his worry. For some reason people think that success is a bad thing.

And Rommey has been very very very successful

...at farking companies over and sucking out their money like a goddamn financial vampire, yeah.


Quick question: where did Mitt get his start up money?
 
2012-07-18 04:36:11 PM

Jackson Herring: Am I the only one who hates made up direct "quotes" in headlines, from either side of the aisle?


I use single quotes to mean paraphrase when I submit. Double when an actual quote with "No, s/he really said that"
 
2012-07-18 04:38:12 PM

Nadie_AZ: Quick question: where did Mitt get his start up money?


Is this a trick question? Family stock and his parents. Its been well covered by the Romney's themselves.
 
2012-07-18 04:41:53 PM

Somacandra: Jackson Herring: Am I the only one who hates made up direct "quotes" in headlines, from either side of the aisle?

I use single quotes to mean paraphrase when I submit. Double when an actual quote with "No, s/he really said that"


That is how it should be done.
 
2012-07-18 04:48:32 PM

Somacandra: Nadie_AZ: Quick question: where did Mitt get his start up money?

Is this a trick question? Family stock and his parents. Its been well covered by the Romney's themselves.


No, I was just curious. I didn't know.

He didn't bootstrap himself into wealth. He piggy backed off of his father.

Thanks.
 
2012-07-18 04:49:55 PM

Jackson Herring: Am I the only one who hates made up direct "quotes" in headlines, from either side of the aisle?


I do as well, but...um...did you really believe for even one second that Romney actually said, "I am completely farked?"
 
2012-07-18 04:53:28 PM

Lando Lincoln: I do as well, but...um...did you really believe for even one second that Romney actually said, "I am completely farked?"


No, but that's not really the point.
 
2012-07-18 04:53:55 PM

vpb: If he was one of the ones who paid no tax at all then it would look very bad.

Romney may know what he is doing.


I think that's what's happening here. He's effectively said as much; something like he's used every legal method available to minimize his tax burden, which means he probably makes most of his money in offshore tax havens and the money he makes here goes into businesses he can write off for a loss. Like having a top tier stylist flown in to style the mane of his dressage horse or something.

Basically, I think most of his returns from before he was running for president show that he's paid little to nothing in taxes.
 
2012-07-18 04:56:25 PM

Jackson Herring: Lando Lincoln: I do as well, but...um...did you really believe for even one second that Romney actually said, "I am completely farked?"

No, but that's not really the point.


I'll file this one under "comedic license" instead of "intentional deceit."
 
2012-07-18 05:06:25 PM

Nadie_AZ: He didn't bootstrap himself into wealth. He piggy backed off of his father.


No, he didn't bootstrap himself. But he did create a much larger pot of wealth than was handed to him. He sold off American Motors stock to pay for college.. He talks a lot about taking a loan out from his dad to buy the first house and then they sold it 9 years later for over twice what they paid. There's no doubt that Mitt's a gifted and talented money-maker. There's also no doubt he and his wife came from very privileged backgrounds too. President Obama hasn't made as much money, but comes from a much more simple background than the Romneys.
 
2012-07-18 05:08:49 PM
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Robot meltdown
 
2012-07-18 05:24:25 PM
i wonder if they're going to try to forge them. that would be really funny. maybe we could get sheriff joe arpaio on the case.
 
2012-07-18 05:38:24 PM

Lorelle: George Romney released 12 years of tax returns when he ran for President in 1968. You'd think his son would be proud to follow his example.


Yeah, because look how well that worked for George Romney.
 
2012-07-18 05:39:17 PM
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2012-07-18 05:39:27 PM

FlashHarry: i wonder if they're going to try to forge them. that would be really funny. maybe we could get sheriff joe arpaio on the case.


Sheriff Joe (R) go after Rmoney (R)??? But Mitt's not an African Muslin Kenyan! He's a good man!!
 
2012-07-18 05:44:26 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: [p.twimg.com image 843x403]

Hammer him.


Where are Romney's 2011 taxes? It's the middle of July - just how long does his accountant take to get the numbers together?
 
2012-07-18 05:44:38 PM

Aarontology: Namely, he's absolutely ashamed of what he did when he actually had political power.


What is this hu-man emotion you call "shame"?

Romney doesn't want to talk about his record as governor of Massachusetts simply because he believes it will erode his support among the rabid-right voters he needs to win the election. And that belief is likely correct.
 
2012-07-18 05:47:06 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Rommey


Hey you Rommey! Didn't I tell you never to come panhandling around here?
 
2012-07-18 05:47:24 PM
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2012-07-18 05:49:38 PM
I hate it when someone misquotes. It's a good thing it never happens to Merlin.

www.trollquotes.org
 
2012-07-18 05:49:50 PM
Okay, now that we know the GOP only looks at records as a means of playing "gotcha," it's time to release Obama's college and high school transcripts, goddammit!

Why won't Obama release his 1984 credit report!? Why won't he release his car insurance application from 1979?!
 
2012-07-18 05:50:00 PM
Another possibility(?): There really isn't anything too devastating in his tax returns, but if he were to release them now the Democrats would simply move onto another line of attack. He might feel it's better strategery to let them hammer him on this for the time being, then release them closer to the election. That would make them look a little foolish and leave less time for attacks on other issues.
 
2012-07-18 05:50:05 PM

Somacandra: Nadie_AZ: He didn't bootstrap himself into wealth. He piggy backed off of his father.

No, he didn't bootstrap himself. But he did create a much larger pot of wealth than was handed to him. He sold off American Motors stock to pay for college.. He talks a lot about taking a loan out from his dad to buy the first house and then they sold it 9 years later for over twice what they paid. There's no doubt that Mitt's a gifted and talented money-maker. There's also no doubt he and his wife came from very privileged backgrounds too. President Obama hasn't made as much money, but comes from a much more simple background than the Romneys.


Idk if the fact he flipped a house 9 years after buying it for twice the price really qualifies as something that makes him a gifted and talented money-maker, it's not that hard - especially the way the market was then.
 
2012-07-18 05:50:12 PM

Jackson Herring: Am I the only one who hates made up direct "quotes" in headlines, from either side of the aisle?


yes. very annoying.

i31.photobucket.com
"you keep using that punctuation mark. i do not think it means what you think it means."
 
2012-07-18 05:50:38 PM

xanadian: Ugh, THAT'S NOT WHAT HE SAID!! He said that if he DID release them, the Dems would make hay out of it, one way or the other. He's essentially admitting he's f*cked no matter what he does, because it'll all be twisted and spun. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I'm not necessarily saying it's a bad thing in this case, though.

/Hell, the GOP would do the same if given the chance.


The GOP does have the same chance. All of the information Obama is asking from Romney is stuff Obama has already given out. The GOP can spin just as hard as the Dems but they can't found a way to turn Obama's taxes into an attack. It apparently isn't that easy.

Either Romney is jumping at shadows or he's willing to take these hits to hide something worse.
 
2012-07-18 05:50:53 PM

Jackson Herring: Am I the only one who hates made up direct "quotes" in headlines, from either side of the aisle?


No.

Anyway, cost/benefit analysis is a pretty basic business tool. If Romney would rather take the hit for hiding something, one has to think it's pretty bad. Not illegal but something like 0 taxes in 2009 due to the 2008 meltdown or a big Bain retirement payout or some major offshore thing, all ideas I heard on msnbc today.

I don't recall any campaign being this incompetent. Palin was a bad candidate but I don't remember the campaign around her being this pathetic, just her general stupidity.
 
2012-07-18 05:52:24 PM

Wyalt Derp: Another possibility(?): There really isn't anything too devastating in his tax returns, but if he were to release them now the Democrats would simply move onto another line of attack. He might feel it's better strategery to let them hammer him on this for the time being, then release them closer to the election. That would make them look a little foolish and leave less time for attacks on other issues.


Yes. Because the rules say you can only criticize one thing at a time, right? Why, when 0bama refused to release his Birth Certificate, it just shut everyone up about everything else, didn't it.
 
2012-07-18 05:52:49 PM

Aarontology: bdub77: The funny thing is I don't even care if he does. His record at Bain and as Gov. of Mass. says everything there needs to be known about the man.

The fact that he's doing everything he can to avoid talking about his time as governor says a lot as well.

Namely, he's absolutely ashamed of what he did when he actually had political power.


Well to be honest he didn't have much political power given the MA legislature is dominated by Dems. also, he spent more time using his post as a set up for a national run.
 
2012-07-18 05:53:24 PM

propasaurus: My guess is that he not only paid zero taxes in some years, he also got million-dollar refunds in those years, while squirreling away millions more offshore. It's also possible that his returns would also show somehow that he indeed was not involved in the day to day operations of Bain and was only a do-nothing figurehead who got paid to stay out of the way.


I'm going to continue to believe that has has documented income as a consultant for the Bin Laden family. It's entirely plausible and would be completely on the level, but something like that would probably fracture the GOP irrevocably.
 
2012-07-18 05:54:10 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: I don't recall any campaign being this incompetent. Palin was a bad candidate but I don't remember the campaign around her being this pathetic, just her general stupidity.


Oh the McCain campaign was pretty incompetent. The whole " I am suspending my campaign" fiasco will long be remembered in the annals of campaign incompetence.

That said, Romney is starting to make them look like a well oiled machine.
 
2012-07-18 05:55:02 PM
I suspect that he is among the 47% of tax filers who pay no federal income tax.
 
2012-07-18 05:55:24 PM

Sgt Otter: Jackson Herring: Am I the only one who hates made up direct "quotes" in headlines, from either side of the aisle?

Eh, it seems to be a pretty standard Farkism. I usually assume subby is paraphrasing for comedic/trolling effect, unless it ends with something like, "no, really. He actually said that."

/Not subby.


I think this one reaches a little to far, but whatever.

Honestly I'm more annoyed by the fact that this is an article with nothing new, except possibly the supporter saying, "I support him whatever his decision."
 
2012-07-18 05:55:34 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: As a purely intellectual exercise: try to imagine the reaction online and from the "liberal" media if a Democratic candidate refused to release his tax returns and made statements of this type.


I have a feeling that the "Blood in the water" instinct might override(maybe even couple with) the "I hate Romney, but I have to accept him as a candidate" mantra and they go after him.
 
2012-07-18 05:55:52 PM

Jackson Herring: "I hereby decree that all horse farting videos will be deleted from the internet." - President Barack Obama


romney.youtube.net.com
 
2012-07-18 05:57:56 PM
You know. They could throw a real monkey wrench into the Obama campaign by having Romney bow out and have some other sacrificial lamb up there.

Some small part of me thinks that the non-Mormon fundies in charge of the GOP want to pull the plug on the growing Mormon political power, and Romney failing and failing hard is just the guy to make that happen.
 
2012-07-18 05:58:04 PM
Maybe Obama should release his college transcripts first before he throws stones from glass houses.
 
2012-07-18 05:58:07 PM
"Herp-de-derp! Herp-de-derp!"
-Mitt Romney

/mitt-speak translated into standard English
 
2012-07-18 05:58:46 PM

BillCo: FTFA: Loose translation of Mitt Romney's message to Republicans calling for him to release his tax returns: "Guys, trust me, if I release my returns it'll be even worse than it already is."

So, what language did he originally say that in? Was it German? Maybe French? Because otherwise, it's not a translation, it's what we call "making things up". But then, the Democrats are good at that.


You sound Tired Bill.
 
2012-07-18 05:59:28 PM

beta_plus: Maybe Obama should release his college transcripts first before he throws stones from glass houses.


Has Romney released his transcripts?
 
2012-07-18 05:59:51 PM
img525.imageshack.us
 
2012-07-18 06:01:43 PM

quizzical: Dusk-You-n-Me: [p.twimg.com image 843x403]

Hammer him.

Where are Romney's 2011 taxes? It's the middle of July - just how long does his accountant take to get the numbers together?


you know i was wondering that too. i know he's not doing some turbo tax job on his taxes but jesus
 
2012-07-18 06:03:27 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: He really needs to release them now. Get it over with. Because if he goes all the way through to November without releasing anything else, swing voters are going to grow more and more suspicious. If he is going to win, he's going to win in a very close election. He can't afford even a small part of the middle getting suspicious.

Disclaimer: I am in no way undecided or a swing voter. I do not know how swing voters think. It boggles my mind that there are still people who are undecided.


That's okay, it boggles my mind that people can decide prior to any debates.
 
2012-07-18 06:03:52 PM

Devo37: Jackson Herring: Am I the only one who hates made up direct "quotes" in headlines, from either side of the aisle?

yes. very annoying.

[i31.photobucket.com image 329x284]
"you keep using that punctuation mark. i do not think it means what you think it means."


correction: no, you're not the only one. yes, it's annoying.
 
2012-07-18 06:05:08 PM

eagles95: quizzical: Dusk-You-n-Me: [p.twimg.com image 843x403]

Hammer him.

Where are Romney's 2011 taxes? It's the middle of July - just how long does his accountant take to get the numbers together?

you know i was wondering that too. i know he's not doing some turbo tax job on his taxes but jesus


The accountant joke is that a lady in a bar trying to find a rich guy just has to ask, "Did you file your taxes on time?" and if the guy says yes he's not rich.
 
2012-07-18 06:05:20 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Cable News abhors a vacuum. The longer he waits the more They get to fill in the blanks.

"They say Romney's 2001 tax return includes writing off a vodka-peeing sculpture of Jerry Sandusky at a pool party with Osama Bin Laden at Kim Jong Il's mansion"
"They say Romney paid his entire 2008 tax bill by stealing pennies from the Dunkin Donuts 'take a penny, leave a penny' cup"
"They say Romney's 2006 tax return is just a video of him taking a shiat in the Shriners' Hospital mailbox."
"They say Romney got Green Tax Credits in 2009 for retrofitting his Dusenberg to run on the souls of dead orphans."


New keyboard, please.
 
2012-07-18 06:05:21 PM

xanadian: Ugh, THAT'S NOT WHAT HE SAID!! He said that if he DID release them, the Dems would make hay out of it, one way or the other. He's essentially admitting he's f*cked no matter what he does, because it'll all be twisted and spun. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I'm not necessarily saying it's a bad thing in this case, though.

/Hell, the GOP would do the same if given the chance.


Monicagate was textbook GOP damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't tactic. Too bad the tactic can be pplayed by both sides of the game.
 
2012-07-18 06:05:36 PM

BillCo: So, what language did he originally say that in? Was it German? Maybe French?


Politcalese?
 
2012-07-18 06:05:53 PM

BillCo: So, what language did he originally say that in? Was it German? Maybe French? Because otherwise, it's not a translation, it's what we call "making things up". But then, the Democrats are good at that.


Awwwwww, is your itty bitty butt hurting?

/ what am I askin? It never stops hurting....
 
2012-07-18 06:06:41 PM
Mitt, why do you not just release the tax returns and trust your magical underware to do the rest?
I am just asking questions here....
 
2012-07-18 06:07:26 PM

Jackson Herring: "I hereby decree that all horse farting videos will be deleted from the internet." - President Barack Obama


Copyright dispute?
 
2012-07-18 06:10:16 PM
 
2012-07-18 06:10:52 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Cable News abhors a vacuum. The longer he waits the more They get to fill in the blanks.


That's good. I'm going to steal that later.

bwilson27: FlashHarry: i wonder if they're going to try to forge them. that would be really funny. maybe we could get sheriff joe arpaio on the case.

Sheriff Joe (R) go after Rmoney (R)??? But Mitt's not an African Muslin Kenyan! He's a good man!!


Ah, but remember that Rmoney is the child of an illegal immigrant and must be deported to be in compliance with Arizona law.
 
2012-07-18 06:11:23 PM

eagles95: you know i was wondering that too. i know he's not doing some turbo tax job on his taxes but jesus


The accountant keeps coming back with variations, but Mitt is torn between his love of money and recognition that the final number better f*cking well be big enough to satisfy the masses.
 
2012-07-18 06:12:11 PM
The Stealth Hippopotamus: I can understand his worry. For some reason people think that success is a bad thing.

Seeing retards say this has started to remind me of W's asinine "They hate us for our freedom." The GOP's ability to tell each other soothing lies never disappoints.
 
2012-07-18 06:12:17 PM

Jackson Herring: Am I the only one who hates made up direct "quotes" in headlines, from either side of the aisle?


It's annoying as fark and essentially poisons the discourse. Like we don't have enough of that from our lovely threadshiatters.
 
2012-07-18 06:14:17 PM
Why should Romney have to release his federal income tax returns when Obama hasn't released his eye exam results.
 
2012-07-18 06:15:39 PM

netweavr: That's okay, it boggles my mind that people can decide prior to any debates


really? you need a farcical debate to figure out which candidate is for you? you know this is the fark politics tab, right?
 
2012-07-18 06:16:33 PM

Jackson Herring: Am I the only one who hates made up direct "quotes" in headlines, from either side of the aisle?


If you actually thought Rmoney dropped an f-bomb, well...we can't help you there, son.
 
2012-07-18 06:17:12 PM

12349876: eagles95: quizzical: Dusk-You-n-Me: [p.twimg.com image 843x403]

Hammer him.

Where are Romney's 2011 taxes? It's the middle of July - just how long does his accountant take to get the numbers together?

you know i was wondering that too. i know he's not doing some turbo tax job on his taxes but jesus

The accountant joke is that a lady in a bar trying to find a rich guy just has to ask, "Did you file your taxes on time?" and if the guy says yes he's not rich.


Why is that by the way? I know they always have extensions, but I never bothered asking why they get extensions. I can only assume because they're taxes are more complicated, but I don't know much about it.
 
2012-07-18 06:17:36 PM

beta_plus: Maybe Obama should release his college transcripts first before he throws stones from glass houses.


img42.imageshack.us
 
2012-07-18 06:18:56 PM
See, now he HAS taken up every possible side of every possible issue. I think this means that we've all reached the end of the internet. Last one out, turn off the lights, please...
 
2012-07-18 06:19:23 PM
I think the problem with his tax records is not in the numbers. We can all accept, or at least expect at this stage, very low taxes paid and creative accounting to enlarge all deductions.

The problem is where his deductions are coming from and where his income is derived. Suppose one entry - purely hypothetical (wink, wink) including funds passed through his offshore accounts to help drug cartels launder their money. Or he participated in a Fast and Furious type program to arm Mexican drug lords. Or he benefitted with clothing companies based in the Marianas that exploited enslaved women workers...
 
2012-07-18 06:19:23 PM
Romney is right. Without some really terrible evidence, only the people who pay attention to politics will care about this. That or something to do with sex, which will never happen.
 
2012-07-18 06:21:28 PM

Dinki: Some people have expressed surprise that Romney is having such a hard time with these attacks. Here's what I think-


there's probably a little of what you mentioned going on, but there's also a bit of....just flat arrogance.

he managed to disclose next to diddly squat when running for MA governor, and he sees this as the same - he can do what he wants. that's the thing that has left the campaign flat footed as much as anything, they see it as audacious that he be held to any standard they didn't set themselves...and have no ready response to anybody who isn't playing by mitt's rules.
 
2012-07-18 06:21:58 PM

beta_plus: Maybe Obama should release his college transcripts first before he throws stones from glass houses.


Aaaaaaand let's not forget his K-8 dental records, and the results of his first prostate exam in his early 40s. This is the USA! We have a right to know about the teeth and bunghole of our president. It's a little thing called "transparency" that he used to now about. Or at least pay lip service too.
 
2012-07-18 06:22:06 PM

rev. dave: Romney is right. Without some really terrible evidence, only the people who pay attention to politics will care about this. That or something to do with sex, which will never happen.


You see they're still calling for Obama's college transcripts, eve in this thread, right? The thread where Romney says that people asking for documentation are just looking to dig dirt?
 
2012-07-18 06:22:46 PM

beta_plus: Maybe Obama should release his college transcripts first before he throws stones from glass houses.


How is there any equivelence?
 
2012-07-18 06:23:25 PM
Can't read my, can't read my
No he can't read my poker face

Can't read my, can't read my
No he can't read my poker face


P-p-p-poker face, p-p-poker face
P-p-p-poker face, p-p-poker face

/ Yeah we want this guy at the table discussing nuclear arms reductions. sheesh
 
2012-07-18 06:24:07 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: Aaaaaaand let's not forget his K-8 dental records, and the results of his first prostate exam in his early 40s.


you simply cannot joke about this stuff, and it not be explicitly stated as serious by others. this topic has broken poe's law and left it twitching in the corner, begging for death.

i actually watched an individual demand obama's baby pictures yesterday. at a national press conference, not at an interstate overpass.
 
2012-07-18 06:26:24 PM
Besides, when President Obama released his BC it just cleared up everything and we've moved on, Right?
 
2012-07-18 06:26:55 PM

All2morrowsparTs: beta_plus: Maybe Obama should release his college transcripts first before he throws stones from glass houses.

How is there any equivelence?


Things that can be released!

Maybe Obama should release a rap album or the Kraken before he throws stones from glass houses.
 
2012-07-18 06:27:10 PM

rev. dave: That or something to do with sex, which will never happen


Will it disclose that Mitt Romney reported income from tips as an "exotic dancer"?
 
2012-07-18 06:28:14 PM

Misch: rev. dave: That or something to do with sex, which will never happen

Will it disclose that Mitt Romney reported income from tips as an "exotic dancer"?


He listed all his wives as dependents.
 
2012-07-18 06:28:18 PM

Misch: Will it disclose that Mitt Romney reported income from tips as an "exotic dancer"?


Well there went my appetite.
 
2012-07-18 06:30:19 PM

WhyteRaven74: Well there went my appetite.


My work here is done.
 
2012-07-18 06:30:46 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I can understand his worry. For some reason people think that success is a bad thing.

And Rommey has been very very very successful


It's "progress". You are only successful if you are taking full advantage of government assistance.
 
2012-07-18 06:31:05 PM

eagles95: quizzical: Dusk-You-n-Me: [p.twimg.com image 843x403]

Hammer him.

Where are Romney's 2011 taxes? It's the middle of July - just how long does his accountant take to get the numbers together?

you know i was wondering that too. i know he's not doing some turbo tax job on his taxes but jesus


Maybe the accountant has a bunch of GOP a-holes as clients and it takes time to massage that My Lai massacre of a tax record
into something presentable.

Reminds me of the mortician in The Godfather who has to reshape that hamburger meat that was Sonny Corleone back to something presentable for public viewing.
 
2012-07-18 06:31:06 PM
well, duh
 
2012-07-18 06:31:06 PM

Lionel Mandrake: BillCo: FTFA: Loose translation of Mitt Romney's message to Republicans calling for him to release his tax returns: "Guys, trust me, if I release my returns it'll be even worse than it already is."

So, what language did he originally say that in? Was it German? Maybe French?

Probably BASIC


I was going to go with binary.
 
2012-07-18 06:31:28 PM

you are a puppet: Misch: rev. dave: That or something to do with sex, which will never happen

Will it disclose that Mitt Romney reported income from tips as an "exotic dancer"?

He listed all his wives as dependents.


A-ha!
 
2012-07-18 06:31:31 PM
Maybe he's afraid his church will see how much he actually made. And that they didn't get their 10%
 
2012-07-18 06:32:24 PM
"It's time the biggest-taxing senator in Washington shows the people of Massachusetts how much he pays in taxes," That is what Rmoney said about Ted Kennedy in 1994. I'm sure he hasn't flip-flopped on that, amirite?
 
2012-07-18 06:32:29 PM
At the end of the day. None of this matters to Mitt.

He may lose the election, and thats ok, God has called him to other things. Hes still rich, hes still free.

He will go home to one of his mansions, open the secret liqueur cabinet hidden behind the book case, the one with the bust of Joseph Smith on it, and pour himself a snifter of brandy. He'll then make a phone call to some of his businesses and have a few random people fired, because it simply makes him feel better.

Then he will go upstairs, and slip into bed next to his wife.

He has to get to bed early, he has a long day of doing whatever he wants for the rest of his life.

Remember none of this really matter to Mitt. Sure he would like to be President, first Mormon President no less. Thats got to be worth at least 2 planets in the afterlife, but really its ok if he doesn't win. It was just money after all, and to be honest, most of it wasn't his anyway.

These things are important to remember when you try to imagine how Mitt mind works.
 
2012-07-18 06:32:50 PM

GreenAdder: I like what Maryland governor Martin O'Malley said: McCain saw Romney's taxes and chose Palin.


It's a nice soundbite, but honestly it's bullshiat. There's a copy of McCain's opposition file on Romney floating around, and I skimmed it; judging from the amount of baggage this guy has, I would say the tax returns were probably a minor concern at most. If Romney does manage to win it's proof that money is everything in American politics, and democracy is dead.
 
2012-07-18 06:32:53 PM

Jackson Herring: Am I the only one who hates made up direct "quotes" in headlines, from either side of the aisle?


Well, you have to applaud their clarity. What they lack in veracity, they totally redeem themselves with clear, concise, effective expression of the truth, as subby sees it. If only our politicians could lie with such clarity.
 
2012-07-18 06:33:38 PM

beta_plus: Maybe Obama should release his college transcripts first before he throws stones from glass houses.


I agree. Where are teh transcripts?
 
2012-07-18 06:33:49 PM

Phony_Soldier: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I can understand his worry. For some reason people think that success is a bad thing.

And Rommey has been very very very successful

It's "progress". You are only successful if you are taking full advantage of government assistance.


True! Ask any Military contractor, aggribusiness, or energy company.
 
2012-07-18 06:35:18 PM
Again: I don't think that there is anything in there that's illegal.

I do think that it will show the folks he's invested in, who he has supported over the years, and what he's invested in.

Folks are keen that money equals speech, and this will show fairly conclusively what Mitt has been really saying over the years. Might be a good idea to listen close...
 
2012-07-18 06:35:31 PM

Sabyen91: Lionel Mandrake: BillCo: FTFA: Loose translation of Mitt Romney's message to Republicans calling for him to release his tax returns: "Guys, trust me, if I release my returns it'll be even worse than it already is."

So, what language did he originally say that in? Was it German? Maybe French?

Probably BASIC

I was going to go with binary.


I think that language requires some special spectacles to decipher it...
 
2012-07-18 06:36:25 PM
Keep in mind: Romney spent three years planning and massaging his taxes for the one year he released and even THAT had embarrassing crap in it. Money stored off shores, write offs for caring for dancing horses, AND the state he paid state taxes in redacted.

Other years? Like that has been speculated, likely years where he paid no taxes, maybe wrote off $120k a year in child care expenses (live in nanny!), and other rich guy crap that wouldn't go over well with the general population.
 
2012-07-18 06:37:06 PM

Phony_Soldier: beta_plus: Maybe Obama should release his college transcripts first before he throws stones from glass houses.

I agree. Where are teh transcripts?


They don't keep transcripts longer than 5 years at universities in Kenya.
 
2012-07-18 06:37:26 PM

Raharu: Hes still rich, hes still free.


He can't take the sky from me...
 
2012-07-18 06:37:30 PM

Raharu: These things are important to remember when you try to imagine how Mitt mind works.


For the most part, people who have grown up with privilege and never had to worry about things most of us do (mortgage payments, college tuition, food, etc) typically think they DESERVE what they got. Even if they were born with a silver spoon in their mouth, their egos are massive.

Eventually he'll get used to it, but being called a "loser" at anything probably makes him crazy.
 
2012-07-18 06:37:43 PM

Phony_Soldier: beta_plus: Maybe Obama should release his college transcripts first before he throws stones from glass houses.

I agree. Where are teh transcripts?


Maybe they'll reveal that Obama shipped millions of grades overseas, or paid no taxes on his grades.

Thing is, I think what they'll reveal is that there are years Romney paid no or almost no taxes. I think he could survive that, politically, assuming all his i's are dotted and t's are crossed legally.

But what won't survive is the right's political argument that the wealthy are "overtaxed." If he releases his tax returns, he knows he'll never get a tax cut for the rich through Congress. And if he can't do that, then in his mind there's no point in even becoming president.
 
2012-07-18 06:37:52 PM

All2morrowsparTs: Phony_Soldier: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I can understand his worry. For some reason people think that success is a bad thing.

And Rommey has been very very very successful

It's "progress". You are only successful if you are taking full advantage of government assistance.

True! Ask any Military contractor, aggribusiness, or energy company.


the humorous part of this is mitt getting up on stage, and saying the exact same thing obama did, all the while running ads decrying what obama said.

it's like a klein bottle of a campaign.

obama:
Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don't do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.


romney
I know that you recognize a lot of people help you in a business. Perhaps the banks, the investors. There's no question your mom and dad, your school teachers, the people that provide roads, the fire, the police. A lot of people help. But let me ask you this, did you build your business? If you did, raise your hand. Take that, Mr. President.

yes. take that. i violently, severely, completely agree with you, and with that agreement, i attack you!
 
2012-07-18 06:38:07 PM

Get Your Dick Out Of My Food: netweavr: That's okay, it boggles my mind that people can decide prior to any debates

really? you need a farcical debate to figure out which candidate is for you? you know this is the fark politics tab, right?


Yeah we have all the "farcical" debate anyone could ever need right here.

Someone post the list of things in Romney's returns from the thread yesterday posted by someone who claimed to have seen them. Then we can talk about that instead of rehashing will he or won't he release the returns.
 
2012-07-18 06:39:01 PM

Boudica's War Tampon: They don't keep transcripts longer than 5 years at universities in Kenya.


The papyrus dries out pretty quick.
 
2012-07-18 06:42:20 PM

heap: All2morrowsparTs: Phony_Soldier: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I can understand his worry. For some reason people think that success is a bad thing.

And Rommey has been very very very successful

It's "progress". You are only successful if you are taking full advantage of government assistance.

True! Ask any Military contractor, aggribusiness, or energy company.

the humorous part of this is mitt getting up on stage, and saying the exact same thing obama did, all the while running ads decrying what obama said.

it's like a klein bottle of a campaign.

obama:
Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don't do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

romney
I know that you recognize a lot of people help you in a business. Perhaps the banks, the investors. There's no question your mom and dad, your school teachers, the people that provide roads, the fire, the police. A lot of people help. But let me ask you this, did you build your business? If you did, raise your hand. Take that, Mr. President.

yes. take that. i violently, severely, completely agree with you, and with that agreement, i attack you!


You have to admit though, O fumbled that sound bite. As you can see by the mouth breather reactions to it, context means nothing.
 
2012-07-18 06:42:57 PM

heap: . If you've got a business, you didn't build that.


Right-wing propagandists are taking this line out of context, and peddling the idea that Obama meant they didn't build their businesses. In reality, as context makes clear, he was talking about roads, bridges, etc., i.e., infrastructure that businesses use.

For the next several months, you'll know a fool by this sign: that he actually thinks Obama said business owners didn't build their businesses.
 
2012-07-18 06:46:25 PM

BillCo: FTFA: Loose translation of Mitt Romney's message to Republicans calling for him to release his tax returns: "Guys, trust me, if I release my returns it'll be even worse than it already is."

So, what language did he originally say that in? Was it German? Maybe French? Because otherwise, it's not a translation, it's what we call "making things up". But then, the Democrats are good at that.


Whats he got to hide? You can't get confirmed for a federal judge ship without releasing returns
 
2012-07-18 06:49:38 PM

All2morrowsparTs:

You have to admit though, O fumbled that sound bite. As you can see by the mouth breather reactions to it, context means nothing.


bugontherug: For the next several months, you'll know a fool by this sign: that he actually thinks Obama said business owners didn't build their businesses.


that's just it - it's bassackwards as a campaign device - you have to already be in mitt's camp to take it at the sound bite. it's not just preaching to the choir, it's doing it with the same sermon you're condemning. the exact same thing was said by both candidates, and any interest in making one out to be the devil while the other is a champion of industry is not just slipping on a banana peel, it's putting the banana peel in front of you, taking a running start, and falling on your face 3 feet in front of the obstacle.

why have a normal metaphor when you can have one that can eat soup with a corkscrew
 
2012-07-18 06:50:38 PM

jj325: Maybe he's afraid his church will see how much he actually made. And that they didn't get their 10%


He holds that money in off planet accounts so Mormon Jesus can't find them.
 
2012-07-18 06:50:59 PM

heap: All2morrowsparTs:

You have to admit though, O fumbled that sound bite. As you can see by the mouth breather reactions to it, context means nothing.

bugontherug: For the next several months, you'll know a fool by this sign: that he actually thinks Obama said business owners didn't build their businesses.

that's just it - it's bassackwards as a campaign device - you have to already be in mitt's camp to take it at the sound bite. it's not just preaching to the choir, it's doing it with the same sermon you're condemning. the exact same thing was said by both candidates, and any interest in making one out to be the devil while the other is a champion of industry is not just slipping on a banana peel, it's putting the banana peel in front of you, taking a running start, and falling on your face 3 feet in front of the obstacle.

why have a normal metaphor when you can have one that can eat soup with a corkscrew


You give way too much credit to the "undecided voter."
 
2012-07-18 06:51:50 PM
Why, exactly, am I supposed to be outraged about this? The American people already know he's a sleazy millionaire. Tax returns aren't going to change anyone's votes.
 
2012-07-18 06:51:50 PM

someonelse: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Rommey

Hey you Rommey! Didn't I tell you never to come panhandling around here?


"You got your wish. You were never CEO of Bain."
 
2012-07-18 06:52:46 PM

bugontherug: For the next several months, you'll know a fool by this sign: that he actually thinks Obama said business owners didn't build their businesses.


My boss said this today :(
 
2012-07-18 06:52:51 PM
I won't be satisfied until Romney releases his long-form birth certificate complete tax returns.

And when he does, I will still not be satisfied.
 
2012-07-18 06:52:55 PM

PillsHere: 12349876: eagles95: quizzical: Dusk-You-n-Me: [p.twimg.com image 843x403]

Hammer him.

Where are Romney's 2011 taxes? It's the middle of July - just how long does his accountant take to get the numbers together?

you know i was wondering that too. i know he's not doing some turbo tax job on his taxes but jesus

The accountant joke is that a lady in a bar trying to find a rich guy just has to ask, "Did you file your taxes on time?" and if the guy says yes he's not rich.

Why is that by the way? I know they always have extensions, but I never bothered asking why they get extensions. I can only assume because they're taxes are more complicated, but I don't know much about it.


One reason off the top of my head is that if the person has ownership interest in a partnership, as partnerships do not have to have the fiscal year end be the same as calendar year end. And partnership income is passed through the owner's 1040, they wouldn't the info needed to prepare taxes by tax day.
 
2012-07-18 06:53:15 PM
When you consider how copy-cat Romney's campaign has been--viz. the attack ads featuring the other guy singing--maybe Romney feels obliged to wait as long as Obama did on the long-form.
 
2012-07-18 06:53:52 PM
Turns out Rmoney's not a brazillionaire after all.. He just had a box of rocks with a thin layer of silver dollars on top.
 
2012-07-18 06:53:55 PM

DeltaPunch: [img571.imageshack.us image 495x310]


I don't get it. You know that Antony's speech is ironic, right?
 
2012-07-18 06:53:55 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: He would not have been able to knowingly fark over thousands of people, raid pension funds and ship business overseas simply to fatten his own bottom line if he had an ounce of shame, compassion, humility or decency.


I think you underestimate the extent to which people can compartmentalize things. Take Jerry Sandusky; he raped numerous boys, but he also helped troubled kids, and in his mind I'm sure he doesn't really see how he could possibly be a bad person. He minimizes his sins and sees only the good in himself. Romney is probably much the same, but he isn't a pedophile, he's ruthlessly greedy. Greed is too much a part of him to change without enormous effort and discipline, so he simply makes up excuses and ignores basic ethics, quite unconsciously, to justify what he is. On most other subjects he's probably quite capable of compassion and decency, but when it comes to money he is quite simply a monster, a fundamentally broken individual.
 
2012-07-18 06:55:28 PM

All2morrowsparTs:

You give way too much credit to the "undecided voter."


the undecided voter who is a business owner that can't read beyond an out of context soundbite. i get what you're saying, but...this isn't the Kerry campaign. there is another side this time....and they're continually making Mitt pay for campaign mistakes. Obama stating the obvious in a manner that could be quote mined was a mistake - Mitt betting heavily on that mined quote, while repeating the actual context of obama's statement himself is too.
 
2012-07-18 06:56:20 PM

Cletus C.: I won't be satisfied until Romney releases his long-form birth certificate complete tax returns.

And when he does, I will still not be satisfied.


You can bet I'll be closely examining the pixels and layers.
 
2012-07-18 06:56:43 PM
Oh hey guys, whats going on in this thread?
p.twimg.com
 
2012-07-18 06:56:49 PM

OminousAnonymous: bugontherug: For the next several months, you'll know a fool by this sign: that he actually thinks Obama said business owners didn't build their businesses.

My boss said this today :(


You know how I know your boss watches Fox News?
 
2012-07-18 06:58:01 PM

MrEricSir: Yeah, because look how well that worked for George Romney.


That ain't what brought George Romney down.
 
2012-07-18 06:58:56 PM
Romney should just release Obama's tax records and claim them as his.
 
2012-07-18 06:59:10 PM

Cletus C.: I won't be satisfied until Romney releases his long-form birth certificate complete tax returns.

And when he does, I will still not be satisfied.


True, I don't think Mitt Romney ever learned how to be American with his time evangilizing in France living the good life while our Good Christian American boys were in Vietnam fighting communists.
 
2012-07-18 07:00:27 PM

Jackson Herring: Am I the only one who hates made up direct "quotes" in headlines, from either side of the aisle?


No, I'm with you. You can't put paraphrasing in quotes.
 
2012-07-18 07:01:27 PM

gilgigamesh: vpb: If he was one of the ones who paid no tax at all then it would look very bad.

Romney may know what he is doing.

I think that's what's happening here. He's effectively said as much; something like he's used every legal method available to minimize his tax burden, which means he probably makes most of his money in offshore tax havens and the money he makes here goes into businesses he can write off for a loss. Like having a top tier stylist flown in to style the mane of his dressage horse or something.

Basically, I think most of his returns from before he was running for president show that he's paid little to nothing in taxes.


Uh...yup. The man made $20 million a year for years and paid ZERO TAXES.

"But hey, vote for me because I know how to run a business!!!"

Yeah right, bud. Not in this farking lifetime.
 
2012-07-18 07:01:32 PM
So someone who wants to be leader of our country is afraid of what the democrats might say, the very same stupid worthless, powerless, unamerican who cares what they say everything is a lie democrats?
Yeah he sure has my vote I feel confident in a leader who lives in fear of his own past, and what someone might say about it.
 
2012-07-18 07:01:38 PM

HMS_Blinkin: Jackson Herring: Am I the only one who hates made up direct "quotes" in headlines, from either side of the aisle?

No, I'm with you. You can't put paraphrasing in quotes.


we can pen a headline that says the exact opposite of the article it's linked to.

fark headlines are a subsidiary of zombo.com. it's easier when you acknowledge this.
 
2012-07-18 07:02:16 PM

Muk_Man: Idk if the fact he flipped a house 9 years after buying it for twice the price really qualifies as something that makes him a gifted and talented money-maker, it's not that hard - especially the way the market was then.


No, I was just pointing out where his seed money came from. Any shenanigans aside (whether there are or not I don't know) you kinda have to admit he's good at making money for his investors. The guy's worth between $150-250 million after all. You don't do that filling softshells for Taco John's.
 
2012-07-18 07:03:17 PM

All2morrowsparTs: Cletus C.: I won't be satisfied until Romney releases his long-form birth certificate complete tax returns.

And when he does, I will still not be satisfied.

True, I don't think Mitt Romney ever learned how to be American with his time evangilizing in France living the good life while our Good Christian American boys were in Vietnam fighting communists.


What a low blow. You know very well Romney did his part by displaying an exceptionally large magnetic yellow ribbon on his car.
 
2012-07-18 07:03:52 PM

netweavr: Three Crooked Squirrels: He really needs to release them now. Get it over with. Because if he goes all the way through to November without releasing anything else, swing voters are going to grow more and more suspicious. If he is going to win, he's going to win in a very close election. He can't afford even a small part of the middle getting suspicious.

Disclaimer: I am in no way undecided or a swing voter. I do not know how swing voters think. It boggles my mind that there are still people who are undecided.

That's okay, it boggles my mind that people can decide prior to any debates.


Anyone who listens for canned sound bites in a presidential debate to make a decision on who to vote for should be judging a beauty contest, not voting in an election

The information needed to make that decision is all around you

For my part, anyone who has hired Bush's neocons for his foreign policy advisors makes this a no brainer

Your mileage may vary
 
2012-07-18 07:05:45 PM

StoneColdAtheist: Uh...yup. The man made $20 million a year for years and paid ZERO TAXES.

"But hey, vote for me because I know how to run a business!!!"


So you're saying not only does he possess a brilliant business intellect, he's also incredibly adept at understanding the intricacies of the US tax code?
 
2012-07-18 07:05:57 PM

heap: All2morrowsparTs:

You have to admit though, O fumbled that sound bite. As you can see by the mouth breather reactions to it, context means nothing.

bugontherug: For the next several months, you'll know a fool by this sign: that he actually thinks Obama said business owners didn't build their businesses.

that's just it - it's bassackwards as a campaign device - you have to already be in mitt's camp to take it at the sound bite. it's not just preaching to the choir, it's doing it with the same sermon you're condemning. the exact same thing was said by both candidates, and any interest in making one out to be the devil while the other is a champion of industry is not just slipping on a banana peel, it's putting the banana peel in front of you, taking a running start, and falling on your face 3 feet in front of the obstacle.

why have a normal metaphor when you can have one that can eat soup with a corkscrew


Reminded me of this bit.
 
2012-07-18 07:06:15 PM

bugontherug: All2morrowsparTs: Cletus C.:

What a low blow. You know very well Romney did his part by displaying an exceptionally large magnetic yellow ribbon on his car.


Speak out! Don't sit in!
 
2012-07-18 07:06:24 PM
Look. I realize we all like to stand in a circle and scream at each other in these threads. However, I have done some intensive internet database searches and came up with some fascinating new information I think you all should consider:

p.twimg.com
 
2012-07-18 07:09:21 PM

bugontherug: All2morrowsparTs: Cletus C.: I won't be satisfied until Romney releases his long-form birth certificate complete tax returns.
.....

What a low blow. You know very well Romney did his part by displaying an exceptionally large magnetic yellow ribbon on his car.


Which one?
 
2012-07-18 07:10:32 PM

sdd2000: bugontherug: All2morrowsparTs: Cletus C.: I won't be satisfied until Romney releases his long-form birth certificate complete tax returns.
.....

What a low blow. You know very well Romney did his part by displaying an exceptionally large magnetic yellow ribbon on his car.

Which one?


the station wagon, but it wasn't a ribbon. it was dog shiat.
 
2012-07-18 07:11:38 PM

Jacobin: Anyone who listens for canned sound bites in a presidential debate to make a decision on who to vote for should be judging a beauty contest, not voting in an election


I've never understood the "independent" voter's sense of smug superiority to partisans. I cast my vote based on the known political programs of the parties. I know which party shares my values, and which one doesn't. I can think of few more rational bases for casting one's vote.

"Independent" voters, by contrast, cast their votes based on factors like personal appearance, charisma, attitude of the media, public opinion polls, who lays out the best zingers the debates, who they'd like to have a beer with, etc. They regard my choice to vote by reference to my political values "voting for your team, like it's a stupid sport."

What a weird world we live in.
 
2012-07-18 07:12:02 PM

propasaurus: Jackson Herring: Am I the only one who hates made up direct "quotes" in headlines, from either side of the aisle?

"Me too."


"If it weren't for my horse I never would have spent that year at college."
 
2012-07-18 07:14:48 PM

Shaggy_C: StoneColdAtheist: Uh...yup. The man made $20 million a year for years and paid ZERO TAXES.

"But hey, vote for me because I know how to run a business!!!"

So you're saying not only does he possess a brilliant business intellect, he's also incredibly adept at understanding the intricacies of the US tax code?


No, but he has enough money to buy an army of accountants and tax attorneys who do.

It bears repeating. I have nothing against the man for being wealthy. I think that if he truly believes that he obtained that wealth fairly and paid a fair amount of taxes, then he has nothing to hide and nothing to answer to. He shows himself to be more thin skinned every single day this goes on.
 
2012-07-18 07:16:41 PM

Shaggy_C: StoneColdAtheist: Uh...yup. The man made $20 million a year for years and paid ZERO TAXES.

"But hey, vote for me because I know how to run a business!!!"

So you're saying not only does he possess a brilliant business intellect, he's also incredibly adept at understanding the intricacies of the US tax code?


Maybe that's the secret. Romney took the standard deduction on his returns and paid on time in full and now he's afraid other millionaires will see that and laugh at him.
 
2012-07-18 07:17:36 PM
What I think is really worrying him is that some will cross reference things in
his tax returns to his actions while at Bain Capital. You know like taking profitable companies
charging them hefty "consultation" fees to raid that companies bank account.
Then sinking the ship and pocketing the cash.
 
2012-07-18 07:17:42 PM

odinsposse: Shaggy_C: StoneColdAtheist: Uh...yup. The man made $20 million a year for years and paid ZERO TAXES.

"But hey, vote for me because I know how to run a business!!!"

So you're saying not only does he possess a brilliant business intellect, he's also incredibly adept at understanding the intricacies of the US tax code?

Maybe that's the secret. Romney took the standard deduction on his returns and paid on time in full and now he's afraid other millionaires will see that and laugh at him.


Hah.
 
2012-07-18 07:19:32 PM

netweavr: That's okay, it boggles my mind that people can decide prior to any debates.


That's okay, it boggles my mind that anyone would actually attach that kind of importance to debates. Both of these men have pretty extensive public records, cold, hard facts that can be spun but cannot be denied, information about what they do when given power; a debate, on the other hand, is merely a test of one's ability to debate. It doesn't say a thing about their actual competence, and you're quite a bit of a fool if you choose who to vote for largely on the basis of such an event.
 
2012-07-18 07:22:20 PM

dudemanbro: He's completely farked either way. Which is good for the country.


I hope you're right, the fact that the president isn't about 20 points ahead of Romney speaks volumes about this country.
 
2012-07-18 07:22:50 PM

bugontherug: I've never understood the "independent" voter's sense of smug superiority to partisans. I cast my vote based on the known political programs of the parties. I know which party shares my values, and which one doesn't. I can think of few more rational bases for casting one's vote.


Perhaps what you see as 'fundamental differences' others see as slight variations on the same theme. The fact that you align all of your values with either party reflects pretty badly upon your rationality, actually.
 
2012-07-18 07:25:29 PM

Shaggy_C: StoneColdAtheist: Uh...yup. The man made $20 million a year for years and paid ZERO TAXES.

"But hey, vote for me because I know how to run a business!!!"

So you're saying not only does he possess a brilliant business intellect, he's also incredibly adept at understanding the intricacies of the US tax code?


*sniff* That's what staff are for. Do I know you? Are you in my club?
 
2012-07-18 07:25:39 PM

Shaggy_C: The fact that you align all of your values with either party reflects pretty badly upon your rationality, actually.


one party giving me no rational reason to support them doesn't enter into the equation at all, eh?
 
2012-07-18 07:28:41 PM

Somacandra: MrEricSir: Yeah, because look how well that worked for George Romney.

That ain't what brought George Romney down.


The fact that he wasn't eligible to be president in the first place also could have been an issue.
 
2012-07-18 07:29:05 PM

Close2TheEdge: I think that if he truly believes that he obtained that wealth fairly and paid a fair amount of taxes, then he has nothing to hide and nothing to answer to. He shows himself to be more thin skinned every single day this goes on.


You forget that his base equates taxation with theft. Outsmarting a thief is a sign of cunning, not a conviction of deviousness. If he weaseled out of taxes for years his base will cheer him for it.
 
2012-07-18 07:33:42 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Aarontology: bdub77: The funny thing is I don't even care if he does. His record at Bain and as Gov. of Mass. says everything there needs to be known about the man.

The fact that he's doing everything he can to avoid talking about his time as governor says a lot as well.

Namely, he's absolutely ashamed of what he did when he actually had political power.

He is not ashamed at all.

He has no shame.

He would not have been able to knowingly fark over thousands of people, raid pension funds and ship business overseas simply to fatten his own bottom line if he had an ounce of shame, compassion, humility or decency.

He feels, and probably rightly so, that releasing the info would fark him politically because it would expose even more proof of just what a soulless bastard he is.


You nailed it.
 
2012-07-18 07:33:45 PM
HOLY shiat! The Dems have totatally Swift boated Romney and the Repubs don't know how to counter. We have not even had the convention yet and this dipshiat is toast.
 
2012-07-18 07:34:24 PM
Romney's tax records can't be as bad as Obama's Birth Certificate. At least Obama does release Birth Certtificates...because he has so many different ones

Romney would be foolish to release any tax records until Obama releases his Birth Certificate, College Records, etc
 
2012-07-18 07:34:28 PM

Shaggy_C: Close2TheEdge: I think that if he truly believes that he obtained that wealth fairly and paid a fair amount of taxes, then he has nothing to hide and nothing to answer to. He shows himself to be more thin skinned every single day this goes on.

You forget that his base equates taxation with theft. Outsmarting a thief is a sign of cunning, not a conviction of deviousness. If he weaseled out of taxes for years his base will cheer him for it.


Nothing will change the base's mind.

Dems are going after the non-Teabagger demographic.
 
2012-07-18 07:34:54 PM
dtdstudios.com
 
2012-07-18 07:35:15 PM
I just heard on Make It Plain (a way lefty program I hear sometimes on XM) that there is speculation Romney bought and operated an abortion remains disposal facility and that's why he doesn't want to release his returns. Is it true? I don't know. I doubt it. And as a pro-choicer, I don't care. But this is why I said way up thread that he needs to get this out in the open. The speculation is likely worse than the truth.
 
2012-07-18 07:35:32 PM

Shaggy_C: Perhaps what you see as 'fundamental differences' others see as slight variations on the same theme. The fact that you align all of your values with either party reflects pretty badly upon your rationality, actually.


1) The differences between the parties are greater now than they've been in decades. Granted, to understand some of the differences requires a certain educational background. People who think Obama and Bush foreign policy are the same, for example, really don't understand the concepts of foreign policy realism and foreign policy idealism, and how each are reflected in the two presidents' foreign policy approaches.

2) I never said all my values align perfectly with the Democrats. They don't, and never have. But it is telling that you have to put words in my mouth to frame your argument. Prior to the Bush administration, for example, I would have identified myself as conservative on foreign policy. I said frequently that while I liked the Democrats better on domestic policy, I liked the Republicans better on foreign policy. No more.
 
2012-07-18 07:37:19 PM

jj325: Maybe he's afraid his church will see how much he actually made. And that they didn't get their 10%


Call me paranoid, but I can't see the church NOT knowing just how much Romney gave, compared to how much he made. It'd me more damaging, though, if the church allowed him to give less than his "fair share" and poor and middle-class LDS found out.
 
2012-07-18 07:37:26 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: I just heard ... Romney bought and operated an abortion remains disposal facility and that's why he doesn't want to release his returns. Is it true?


Yes.
 
2012-07-18 07:38:12 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: I just heard on Make It Plain (a way lefty program I hear sometimes on XM) that there is speculation Romney bought and operated an abortion remains disposal facility and that's why he doesn't want to release his returns. Is it true


i could attempt explaining it, or you could google 'romney stericycle' and get something that actually makes sense.

i'm game for either, really - but figured i'd give the option instead. but the general gist is...yah, bain owned a baby recycling company, and mitt's leaves of absence attempt to dance around this, except for where they don't. (see? clear as mud)
 
2012-07-18 07:38:13 PM
"Never trust a quote you read on the internet" ~Socrates
 
2012-07-18 07:38:15 PM
The American people have spoken, and they want them released. Why are you going against the will of the people Mitt? Is this something you will continue to do if elected?
 
2012-07-18 07:38:32 PM

Jackson Herring: Am I the only one who hates made up direct "quotes" in headlines, from either side of the aisle?


are you retarded or something?
 
2012-07-18 07:41:33 PM

Vodka Zombie: BillCo: FTFA: Loose translation of Mitt Romney's message to Republicans calling for him to release his tax returns: "Guys, trust me, if I release my returns it'll be even worse than it already is."

So, what language did he originally say that in? Was it German? Maybe French? Because otherwise, it's not a translation, it's what we call "making things up". But then, the Democrats are good at that.

You sound taxed enough already... Maybe you should go lie down or play with your crayons.


He's not allowed to have crayons any more. Last time he was given some, he tried to eat them.
 
2012-07-18 07:42:41 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: I just heard on Make It Plain (a way lefty program I hear sometimes on XM) that there is speculation Romney bought and operated an abortion remains disposal facility and that's why he doesn't want to release his returns. Is it true? I don't know. I doubt it. And as a pro-choicer, I don't care. But this is why I said way up thread that he needs to get this out in the open. The speculation is likely worse than the truth.


Oh, yes. There was a fun thread a week or so ago with a great pic and some dead fetus jokes.


What's more fun to hide than tax returns?

media.masslive.com

All the money I made off dead fetuses!
 
2012-07-18 07:42:51 PM

heap: All2morrowsparTs:

You have to admit though, O fumbled that sound bite. As you can see by the mouth breather reactions to it, context means nothing.

bugontherug: For the next several months, you'll know a fool by this sign: that he actually thinks Obama said business owners didn't build their businesses.

that's just it - it's bassackwards as a campaign device - you have to already be in mitt's camp to take it at the sound bite. it's not just preaching to the choir, it's doing it with the same sermon you're condemning. the exact same thing was said by both candidates, and any interest in making one out to be the devil while the other is a champion of industry is not just slipping on a banana peel, it's putting the banana peel in front of you, taking a running start, and falling on your face 3 feet in front of the obstacle.

why have a normal metaphor when you can have one that can eat soup with a corkscrew


But the "liberal media" won't call Mitt on it. You know they won't. They have to prop up this turd sandwich until November somehow.
 
2012-07-18 07:42:55 PM

MrEricSir: Somacandra: MrEricSir: Yeah, because look how well that worked for George Romney.

That ain't what brought George Romney down.

The fact that he wasn't eligible to be president in the first place also could have been an issue.


That wasn't it either, not to mention it never was litigated and determined beyond a shadow of a doubt whether he was or was not eligible after having been born to two American citizens in Mexico.

Don't bother comparing Mitt Romney to his father. George Romney was sensible and had a track record that he maintained throughout his public life, not to mention strong moral convictions that he voiced even when they weren't popular with his party as a whole (which would be his undoing in the Republican primaries). Mitt Romney's actions in this election are pretty much the complete opposite of his father's actions in 1968.
 
2012-07-18 07:43:03 PM

bugontherug: People who think Obama and Bush foreign policy are the same, for example, really don't understand the concepts of foreign policy realism and foreign policy idealism, and how each are reflected in the two presidents' foreign policy approaches.


What's the fundamental difference in foreign policy? Both sides agree that intervention in foreign lands that results in widespread killing and maiming of innocents is worthwhile if it means a few terrorists are killed. Bush's ambition might have been a bit higher, but Obama has upped the ante with the targeted murder of American citizens abroad. Get off your high horse.
 
2012-07-18 07:43:45 PM

Slaves2Darkness: HOLY shiat! The Dems have totatally Swift boated Romney and the Repubs don't know how to counter. We have not even had the convention yet and this dipshiat is toast.


"Swift boating" someone implies dishonesty; the Democrats aren't accusing him of anything, they're just asking questions. They're Glenn Becking Romney, and there's nothing he can do about it.
 
2012-07-18 07:43:49 PM
dtdstudios.com
 
2012-07-18 07:44:31 PM

BillCo: FTFA: Loose translation of Mitt Romney's message to Republicans calling for him to release his tax returns: "Guys, trust me, if I release my returns it'll be even worse than it already is."

So, what language did he originally say that in? Was it German? Maybe French? Because otherwise, it's not a translation, it's what we call "making things up". But then, the Democrats are good at that.


COBOL of course.
 
2012-07-18 07:45:47 PM

heap: i could attempt explaining it, or you could google 'romney stericycle' and get something that actually makes sense.

i'm game for either, really - but figured i'd give the option instead. but the general gist is...yah, bain owned a baby recycling company, and mitt's leaves of absence attempt to dance around this, except for where they don't. (see? clear as mud)


Thanks for the tip! I'd tried a lame Google search, but my google fu was weak and I gave up quick.
 
2012-07-18 07:46:35 PM
I'd quite like to see a graphic representing "Years in which President Obama and Mitt Romney have released their birth certificates".
 
2012-07-18 07:49:10 PM
I didnt care what Kerry made in 2004, I dont care what Mitt made in 2009, 10 or whenever. Neither guy is a criminal. What he made, and how he pays taxes, does not mean balls to me. Everyone I know and you know, both working class and rich, from the bartender to the corner store operator to the waitress on the corner to the falafel cart guy finagles their taxes. Some use legal loopholes. Many blue collar people I know just shirk it altogether. So lets stop being hypocrites. I have a bigger problem with Biden and Al Gore giving zippo to charities in the past than I care who uses loopholes.

I dont care who you vote for, but this should be a non-issue.
 
2012-07-18 07:49:40 PM
dtdstudios.com
 
2012-07-18 07:52:33 PM

Shaggy_C: bugontherug: People who think Obama and Bush foreign policy are the same, for example, really don't understand the concepts of foreign policy realism and foreign policy idealism, and how each are reflected in the two presidents' foreign policy approaches.

What's the fundamental difference in foreign policy? Both sides agree that intervention in foreign lands that results in widespread killing and maiming of innocents is worthwhile if it means a few terrorists are killed. Bush's ambition might have been a bit higher, but Obama has upped the ante with the targeted murder of American citizens abroad. Get off your high horse.


Taking your argument as true--and there are serious problems with it... you do understand that there are other aspects of foreign policy than intervention that results in widespread killing and maiming of innocents, don't you?

I'll get off my high horse when you put a brain in your head.
 
2012-07-18 07:52:39 PM
lh6.googleusercontent.com

/stop being stupid, partisan
 
2012-07-18 07:55:11 PM

urban.derelict: [lh6.googleusercontent.com image 640x176]
/stop being stupid, partisan


And vote for the guy who was a Republican until he lost the primary.
 
2012-07-18 07:55:52 PM
So I assume this means that most if not everything Obama is claiming Romney did like place money in Switzerland and attempt to avoid paying his fair share of taxes are all true plus probably something worse since if that was it he could release them and get it over with now and by November nobody would care anymore.
 
2012-07-18 07:56:06 PM

bugontherug: Taking your argument as true--and there are serious problems with it... you do understand that there are other aspects of foreign policy than intervention that results in widespread killing and maiming of innocents, don't you?


www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.pdf -->

/I triple-dog dare you to get past the 2nd page. (18 pages ttl)
//they use the military to further their monetary interests (duh)
/the whole reason Hawaii is a state was for sugar interests
//stealing land from native peoples for their own personal monetary interests = the American way
 
2012-07-18 07:56:23 PM

torr5962: I didnt care what Kerry made in 2004, I dont care what Mitt made in 2009, 10 or whenever. Neither guy is a criminal. What he made, and how he pays taxes, does not mean balls to me. Everyone I know and you know, both working class and rich, from the bartender to the corner store operator to the waitress on the corner to the falafel cart guy finagles their taxes. Some use legal loopholes. Many blue collar people I know just shirk it altogether. So lets stop being hypocrites. I have a bigger problem with Biden and Al Gore giving zippo to charities in the past than I care who uses loopholes.

I dont care who you vote for, but this should be a non-issue.


I'm starting to feel that Fark is getting disrespected by the RNC. I understand that the 'A' team has bigger fires to fight, but this is ridiculous.
 
2012-07-18 07:56:48 PM

BillCo: FTFA: Loose translation of Mitt Romney's message to Republicans calling for him to release his tax returns: "Guys, trust me, if I release my returns it'll be even worse than it already is."

So, what language did he originally say that in? Was it German? Maybe French? Because otherwise, it's not a translation, it's what we call "making things up". But then, the Democrats are good at that.


theshaeman.com
 
2012-07-18 07:56:53 PM

Mrtraveler01: And vote for the guy who was a Republican until he lost the primary.


Ye... no. he was never included in the primaries, because you're a retard.
 
2012-07-18 07:57:09 PM

Jackson Herring: Am I the only one who hates made up direct "quotes" in headlines, from either side of the aisle?


The "smoking hot" bait-and-switch must send you into conniptions.
 
2012-07-18 07:58:14 PM

urban.derelict: [lh6.googleusercontent.com image 640x176]
/stop being stupid, partisan


Don't forget your United States Note canned posts.
 
2012-07-18 07:58:25 PM

torr5962: I didnt care what Kerry made in 2004, I dont care what Mitt made in 2009, 10 or whenever. Neither guy is a criminal. What he made, and how he pays taxes, does not mean balls to me. Everyone I know and you know, both working class and rich, from the bartender to the corner store operator to the waitress on the corner to the falafel cart guy finagles their taxes. Some use legal loopholes. Many blue collar people I know just shirk it altogether. So lets stop being hypocrites. I have a bigger problem with Biden and Al Gore giving zippo to charities in the past than I care who uses loopholes.

I dont care who you vote for, but this should be a non-issue.


Let's assume his tax returns show he was heavily invested in companies that caused the financial collapse among a myriad of other things. Let's also assume he got out before the ship sank and made boatloads of cash from his positions. When you're actively campaigning to remove regulations and return the market to "how it was" well... those attack ads write themselves. The base will rationalize it as good business, which you'd hear FOX et all trumpet endlessly, the problem is swing voters might look at this and then check out their 401k and say "fark this guy".
 
2012-07-18 07:58:56 PM

BillCo: FTFA: Loose translation of Mitt Romney's message to Republicans calling for him to release his tax returns: "Guys, trust me, if I release my returns it'll be even worse than it already is."

So, what language did he originally say that in? Was it German? Maybe French? Because otherwise, it's not a translation, it's what we call "making things up". But then, the Democrats are good at that.


Yea, that's the take away here. That he didn't speak those exact words. Sorry man, perception means something and can effect the undecided. That sucks for Romney right now, but WrightAyersSorosAlinskyRezkoSekritMuslimSocialistMuslimKenyan.
 
2012-07-18 07:59:19 PM

Wyalt Derp: I'd quite like to see a graphic representing "Years in which President Obama and Mitt Romney have released their birth certificates".


dtdstudios.com
 
2012-07-18 07:59:41 PM

Anenu: So I assume this means that most if not everything Obama is claiming Romney did like place money in Switzerland and attempt to avoid paying his fair share of taxes are all true plus probably something worse since if that was it he could release them and get it over with now and by November nobody would care anymore.


He could have gotten it over with during the primaries, when The Many Faces of Newt was pretty much accusing him of being crooked. It would have totally been forgotten by the news cycle by now or at least lost its oomph. Unless of course it is something terrible enough to force him out of the race.
 
2012-07-18 08:01:35 PM

Fail in Human Form: dudemanbro: He's completely farked either way. Which is good for the country.

I hope you're right, the fact that the president isn't about 20 points ahead of Romney speaks volumes about this country.


the media has been straining to keep it close...
 
2012-07-18 08:01:55 PM

bugontherug: Jacobin: Anyone who listens for canned sound bites in a presidential debate to make a decision on who to vote for should be judging a beauty contest, not voting in an election

I've never understood the "independent" voter's sense of smug superiority to partisans. I cast my vote based on the known political programs of the parties. I know which party shares my values, and which one doesn't. I can think of few more rational bases for casting one's vote.

"Independent" voters, by contrast, cast their votes based on factors like personal appearance, charisma, attitude of the media, public opinion polls, who lays out the best zingers the debates, who they'd like to have a beer with, etc. They regard my choice to vote by reference to my political values "voting for your team, like it's a stupid sport."

What a weird world we live in.


For what it's worth, I consider myself independent and am registered as "Decline to state", since no political party accurately reflects my political views (social liberal, fiscal moderate, doesn't think money should equal speech). However, since only candidates from two parties actually have any chance of winning beyond the local level, and the Republicans have been going off the deep end for decades, I do tend to vote straight Democratic.
 
2012-07-18 08:03:34 PM

urban.derelict: [lh6.googleusercontent.com image 640x176]
/stop being stupid, partisan


I like Johnson's approach, but unless he's got one hell of a war chest, he doesn't have a chance. You know that.
 
2012-07-18 08:04:04 PM
p.twimg.com

I wonder how much it would cost to put this on a billboard on I-75
 
2012-07-18 08:05:18 PM

thamike:

He could have gotten it over with during the primaries, when The Many Faces of Newt was pretty much accusing him of being crooked. It would have totally been forgotten by the news cycle by now or at least lost its oomph. Unless of course it is something terrible enough to force him out of the race.


If it is something bad enough to force him out of the race the Republican party should definitely have put more emphasis on seeing it and figuring out whether there were any skeletons in the closet sooner. At this point they're better off sticking to stonewalling the requests though.

It could be a Romney who started the disclosures in 1968 and a Romney who ends them in 2012. How nice of it to come full circle.
 
2012-07-18 08:07:51 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Okay, now that we know the GOP only looks at records as a means of playing "gotcha," it's time to release Obama's college and high school transcripts, goddammit!

Why won't Obama release his 1984 credit report!? Why won't he release his car insurance application from 1979?!


there are surrogates saying that. oh wait it was that well known birther donald trump saying it.

among others, it's the (stupid) talking point de jour.
 
2012-07-18 08:08:46 PM
So it's pretty obvious that the wavefunction will eventually collapse and Mitt will have to release the taxes. Prolly sooner than later. We'll know soon enough.

So there's been some rampant speculation in this thread about what's so damaging:

* Active ownership of Bain during the "evil period" of 1999-2001
* Mitt gaming the system for personal gain while the average Joe is taking the std deduction
* Major ammunintion for those in favor of closing the capital gains loophole and raising the top marginal rates
* Too much tithing to the Moon God, not enough charity
* fellow Mormons perceiving that Mitt hasn't been doing his share
* Stericycle

What did I miss?
 
2012-07-18 08:09:04 PM

DancingElkCondor: Birth Certificate, etc


Anybody else thought he'd be better at this?
 
2012-07-18 08:13:59 PM
dtdstudios.com
 
2012-07-18 08:14:34 PM

torr5962: I didnt care what Kerry made in 2004, I dont care what Mitt made in 2009, 10 or whenever. Neither guy is a criminal. What he made, and how he pays taxes, does not mean balls to me. Everyone I know and you know, both working class and rich, from the bartender to the corner store operator to the waitress on the corner to the falafel cart guy finagles their taxes. Some use legal loopholes. Many blue collar people I know just shirk it altogether. So lets stop being hypocrites. I have a bigger problem with Biden and Al Gore giving zippo to charities in the past than I care who uses loopholes.

I dont care who you vote for, but this should be a non-issue.


That's a lot of words to say 'vote Republican.'

urban.derelict: [lh6.googleusercontent.com image 640x176]
/stop being stupid, partisan


Vote for the Republican with a different label.
 
2012-07-18 08:17:29 PM
Even what he has released is incomplete, according to HuffPo

Mitt Romney has not released his full tax records from 2010, including key documentation connected to his Swiss bank account.
...Romney released his 2010 tax return in January of this year, a document that first informed voters about the existence of his Swiss bank account and financial activities in Bermuda and the Cayman Islands. But people who own foreign bank accounts are required to file a separate document with the IRS that provides additional details on such overseas bank holdings, and Romney has not released that form to the public.
The Romney campaign did not respond to HuffPost's request to view the document.
Swiss bank accounts don't in and of themselves help taxpayers reduce their burden when used legally. But as HuffPo explains, this matters for another reason:

By serving as a curtain between Romney's U.S. accounts and his foreign holdings, Romney's Swiss account could shield many financial activities from American scrutiny. Hypothetically, any politically unpopular investments, clever and complex asset sales designed to lower Romney's tax bills or other activities would be far more difficult to decipher.
The unreleased form would make it easier to tell whether Romney did engage in any of this, HuffPo notes.

As far as I can tell, this goes directly to what tax experts told me yesterday: It's likely that Romney has paid a far lower tax rate in multiple years, and that this could help explain why Romney won't release his returns. If he paid nothing in any given year, of course, that would be even more politically toxic. But even a far lower rate would be hard to explain. And as the experts told me, the returns could also reveal how Romney reduced his rates - whether he relied on "aggressive sheltering," which would be politically very problematic, or more standard techniques, which would still be hard to explain, depending on how much lower his rate ended up being.
 
2012-07-18 08:17:51 PM
I don't understand. If he doesn't have anything to hide, why wouldn't he just release his birth certificate tax returns?
 
2012-07-18 08:18:26 PM

urban.derelict: Mrtraveler01: And vote for the guy who was a Republican until he lost the primary.

Ye... no. he was never included in the primaries, because you're a retard.


Oh really?



Republican presidential candidacy

On April 21, 2011 Johnson announced via Twitter, "I am running for president."[56] He followed this announcement with a speech at the New Hampshire State House in Concord, New Hampshire.[12] He was the first of an eventually large field to announce his candidacy for the Republican presidential nomination.[57] Johnson chose Ron Nielson, a director for both of his New Mexico gubernatorial campaigns, as his presidential campaign director and senior advisor.[57] The campaign is being run from Salt Lake City, Utah.[57] Johnson's economics advisor is Harvard economics professor Jeffrey Miron.[58] Initially, Johnson hoped Ron Paul would not run for President so that Johnson could galvanize from Paul's network of libertarian-minded voters.[57] Johnson even traveled to Houston to tell Paul of his decision to run in person.[57] But Paul announced his candidacy on May 13, 2011. Johnson participated in the first of the Republican presidential debates, hosted by Fox News in South Carolina on May 5, 2011, appearing on stage with Herman Cain, Ron Paul, Tim Pawlenty, and Rick Santorum. Mitt Romney and Michele Bachmann both declined to debate. Johnson was excluded from the next three debates on June 13 (hosted by CNN in New Hampshire), August 11 (hosted by Fox News in Iowa), and September 7 (hosted by CNN in California).[57] After the first exclusion, Johnson made a 43-minute video responding to each of the debate questions, which he posted on Youtube.[57][59] The first exclusion, which was widely publicized, gave Johnson "a little bump" in name recognition and produced "a small uptick" in donations.[57] But "the long term consequences were dismal."[57] For the financial quarter ending June 30, Johnson raised a mere $180,000.[57] Despite the fact that, in some polls, Johnson polled higher than Rick Santorum or Jon Huntsman, who were invited to debates, Johnson was not.[57] Then Fox News decided that because Johnson polled at least 2% in five recent polls, he could participate in a September 22 debate in Florida, which it co-hosted with the Florida Republican Party (the party objected to Johnson's inclusion).[57] Johnson participated, appearing on stage with Michele Bachmann, Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Jon Huntsman, Ron Paul, Rick Perry, Mitt Romney, and Rick Santorum. During the debate, Johnson delivered what many media outlets, including the Los Angeles Times, and Time, called the best line of the night: "My next-door neighbor's two dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than this administration."[60][61] Entertainment Weekly opined that Johnson had won the debate.[62]


Just because he did a sucky job in the Republican primary doesn't mean that he didn't run in the GOP primary.
 
2012-07-18 08:19:02 PM

Ed Finnerty: [dtdstudios.com image 843x403]


Orange and teal! I love it!

Also, in photo-negative Obama looks half-black/half-white instead of half-white/half-black. Cool.
 
2012-07-18 08:19:27 PM
dtdstudios.com
 
2012-07-18 08:20:11 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: Disclaimer: I am in no way undecided or a swing voter. I do not know how swing voters think. It boggles my mind that there are still people who are undecided.


In my experience, people who still consider themselves undecided are really Republicans who don't have the balls to admit that they support such a loser of a candidate.
 
2012-07-18 08:23:41 PM
he is right about the fact that 0bama is so desperate he will distort and twist anything that is in his tax return.

he tried distorting Romney's Bain experiencing all the while the press is ignoring how many jobs GM lost after 0bama invested in that company and demanded cost cutting.
 
2012-07-18 08:23:52 PM

mjjt: Even what he has released is incomplete, according to HuffPo

Mitt Romney has not released his full tax records from 2010, including key documentation connected to his Swiss bank account.
...Romney released his 2010 tax return in January of this year, a document that first informed voters about the existence of his Swiss bank account and financial activities in Bermuda and the Cayman Islands. But people who own foreign bank accounts are required to file a separate document with the IRS that provides additional details on such overseas bank holdings, and Romney has not released that form to the public.
The Romney campaign did not respond to HuffPost's request to view the document.
Swiss bank accounts don't in and of themselves help taxpayers reduce their burden when used legally. But as HuffPo explains, this matters for another reason:

By serving as a curtain between Romney's U.S. accounts and his foreign holdings, Romney's Swiss account could shield many financial activities from American scrutiny. Hypothetically, any politically unpopular investments, clever and complex asset sales designed to lower Romney's tax bills or other activities would be far more difficult to decipher.
The unreleased form would make it easier to tell whether Romney did engage in any of this, HuffPo notes.

As far as I can tell, this goes directly to what tax experts told me yesterday: It's likely that Romney has paid a far lower tax rate in multiple years, and that this could help explain why Romney won't release his returns. If he paid nothing in any given year, of course, that would be even more politically toxic. But even a far lower rate would be hard to explain. And as the experts told me, the returns could also reveal how Romney reduced his rates - whether he relied on "aggressive sheltering," which would be politically very problematic, or more standard techniques, which would still be hard to explain, depending on how much lower his rate ended up being.


Very interesting. So even when he releases a years worth of returns he doesn't really release a years worth of returns. I hope all the Teabaggers are happy with Romney's version of transparency if he god forbid reaches the White House.
 
2012-07-18 08:25:17 PM

Ed Finnerty: [dtdstudios.com image 843x403]


FSM bless you and may all your noodles be perfectly "al dente".
 
2012-07-18 08:26:27 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: he is right about the fact that 0bama is so desperate he will distort and twist anything that is in his tax return.


Not releasing his returns is allowing Obama to "distort and twist" his record even more because we have no way of knowing whether it is true or not. Romney can make all of this go away tomorrow by releasing his returns. But no, he'd rather play the victim card because the mean old Democrats are going to attack him. When did Republicans become such pussies?
 
2012-07-18 08:26:54 PM

Pincy: I hope all the Teabaggers are happy with Romney's version of transparency if he god forbid reaches the White House.


Still white.
 
2012-07-18 08:27:41 PM
Rmoney's dad made his riches actually building things (cars), paid 37% in taxes, and wasn't ashamed to reveal how he made money and what he did with it.

Rmoney is not his father. He made his millions off of vulture capitalism and shipping American jobs to other countries, and then didn't even have the decency to keep his money in the US.
 
2012-07-18 08:27:48 PM

IoSaturnalia: * Mitt gaming the system for personal gain while the average Joe is taking the std deduction


Wait, you're saying I get a tax deduction for my multi drug resistant gonnorhea? How come no one told me?
 
2012-07-18 08:27:59 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: he is right about the fact that 0bama is so desperate he will distort and twist anything that is in his tax return.

he tried distorting Romney's Bain experiencing all the while the press is ignoring how many jobs GM lost after 0bama invested in that company and demanded cost cutting.


I'm surprised you didn't call him "Governor Romney" while calling President Obama "0bama" to further your Fox-fueled derpitude. I know I'm wasting my time on a troll here, but if you have even the slightest intention of being taken seriously referring to the President as "0bama" is not going to get you there. It's also far less convenient than using the portion of the keyboard designed for letters that are part of the English language.
 
2012-07-18 08:28:01 PM

HeartBurnKid: But the "liberal media" won't call Mitt on it. You know they won't. They have to prop up this turd sandwich until November somehow.


I dunno, having one of the two major candidates drop out in the middle of the race forcing his party to find a replacement could make for some pretty compelling news-ertainment.

Remember when Bob Torricelli dropped out late in the 2002 Senate race because he was about to be indicted on federal corruption charges, and the Democratic Party swapped in then-retired senator emeritus Frank Lautenberg who beat Torricelli's challenger handily?

/probably not unless you lived in NJ then.
 
2012-07-18 08:28:33 PM

meat0918: You know. They could throw a real monkey wrench into the Obama campaign by having Romney bow out and have some other sacrificial lamb up there.

Some small part of me thinks that the non-Mormon fundies in charge of the GOP want to pull the plug on the growing Mormon political power, and Romney failing and failing hard is just the guy to make that happen.


I think some Republicans still think they can replace him at the convention.

Maybe run the corpse of Reagan?
 
2012-07-18 08:30:42 PM
Mitt says the "job creators" can't hire because taxes are too high".
Imagine if people found out he paid no taxes all all on millions in income.
That could Fark his whole campaign.
 
2012-07-18 08:31:12 PM

Pincy: Very interesting. So even when he releases a years worth of returns he doesn't really release a years worth of returns. I hope all the Teabaggers are happy with Romney's version of transparency if he god forbid reaches the White House.


They didn't complain about Bush/Cheney's lack of transparency. I doubt they'll complain about Romney's, either.
 
2012-07-18 08:32:34 PM

Pincy: tenpoundsofcheese: he is right about the fact that 0bama is so desperate he will distort and twist anything that is in his tax return.

When did Republicans become such pussies?


It's not new, it's the usual tactic of firing up the base and loosely fueling them with radical insinuation until they're throwing around weapons grade derp and then cry and point fingers when your opponents attack you directly for your own failures. Makes it easy to pretend you have no culpability in any of it and hope at least someone will fall for it, whether willful or otherwise.
 
2012-07-18 08:40:05 PM

DogBlack: I think some Republicans still think they can replace him at the convention.


Intrade still thinks so. They've got Obama at 57% and Romney at 40%. That extra 3% either represents an arbitrage opportunity or "none of the above".
 
2012-07-18 08:41:42 PM
home.comcast.net
 
2012-07-18 08:45:17 PM

hubiestubert: Folks are keen that money equals speech, and this will show fairly conclusively what Mitt has been really saying over the years. Might be a good idea to listen close...


...that's probably it, right there.

He's not worried the tax returns will drive away swing voters. He's worried it will drive away the base, because his Stericycle investment is only the tip of the iceberg in there.

/Maybe he's been itemizing another three wives and sixteen kids as dependents?
//yes, cheap shot
 
2012-07-18 08:49:21 PM
dtdstudios.com
 
2012-07-18 08:51:27 PM

bugontherug: 2) I never said all my values align perfectly with the Democrats. They don't, and never have. But it is telling that you have to put words in my mouth to frame your argument. Prior to the Bush administration, for example, I would have identified myself as conservative on foreign policy. I said frequently that while I liked the Democrats better on domestic policy, I liked the Republicans better on foreign policy. No more.


Out of curiosity, why? What have the Republicans done in the last 20 years that makes you think they're competent on foreign policy?
 
2012-07-18 08:51:37 PM

UberNeuman: [home.comcast.net image 843x403]


I was waiting for this one.
 
2012-07-18 08:54:53 PM

urban.derelict: Mrtraveler01: And vote for the guy who was a Republican until he lost the primary.

Ye... no. he was never included in the primaries, because you're a retard.


abcnews.go.com

Who is that guy waaaay over there on the left?
abcnews.go.com

I'll be damned. It's GARY JOHNSON! How'd he get there?
 
2012-07-18 09:00:59 PM
home.comcast.net

\bless ya, Finnerty. :D
 
2012-07-18 09:02:15 PM

Craptastic: urban.derelict: Mrtraveler01: And vote for the guy who was a Republican until he lost the primary.

Ye... no. he was never included in the primaries, because you're a retard.

[abcnews.go.com image 478x269]

Who is that guy waaaay over there on the left?
[abcnews.go.com image 478x269]

I'll be damned. It's GARY JOHNSON! How'd he get there?


Photoshop
 
2012-07-18 09:04:05 PM

Satanic_Hamster: bugontherug: 2) I never said all my values align perfectly with the Democrats. They don't, and never have. But it is telling that you have to put words in my mouth to frame your argument. Prior to the Bush administration, for example, I would have identified myself as conservative on foreign policy. I said frequently that while I liked the Democrats better on domestic policy, I liked the Republicans better on foreign policy. No more.

Out of curiosity, why? What have the Republicans done in the last 20 years that makes you think they're competent on foreign policy?

anything other than farking up the government.

FTFY
 
2012-07-18 09:09:04 PM

Craptastic: Who is that guy waaaay over there on the left?


According to this email I received from my father, it's Barack Obama.
 
2012-07-18 09:09:12 PM

Raharu: At the end of the day. None of this matters to Mitt.

He may lose the election, and thats ok, God has called him to other things. Hes still rich, hes still free.

He will go home to one of his mansions, open the secret liqueur cabinet hidden behind the book case, the one with the bust of Joseph Smith on it, and pour himself a snifter of brandy. He'll then make a phone call to some of his businesses and have a few random people fired, because it simply makes him feel better.


It's weird, but one thing I have never doubted at all is Mitt's total adherence to the mormon bans on liquor and caffeine. The guy's a toolbox, a complete autamaton, but it's because the god in his church wore a smooth spot in his brain. You do religion too hard and it gives you the gift of self-delusion such that you'd be astounded. It's almost a surprise to see the moments when Mitt tells a lie that he can't justify to himself, to see the moments when that oiled, supple, mental gymnast finds one of the razorblades on the mat.
 
2012-07-18 09:11:44 PM
I'm going to agree with the above posters who said that it's likely that Romney HONESTLY didn't think his past was going to catch up with him during this election.

A weird thing happens once you reach a level of extreme wealth in life. Because, in many ways, you've essentially beaten the system, you start to think that the opinions and thoughts of other people are essentially worthless. After all, if any of these people were right, they'd be as rich as you, right? Furthermore, the degree to which people around you start engaging in sycophantic ass-kissing only serves to reinforce your belief in your own ideas as valid and no one else's. I saw this firsthand at the last videogame company I worked for where the owner basically blew through 50+ million dollars on an absolutely horrible idea that he refused to see as anything other than visionary. A few folks around him tried to tell him that he was making a huge mistake, but he promptly had them fired because HOW DARE THEY QUESTION A MAN WHO HAD BEEN SUCCESSFUL ONCE BEFORE! It wasn't 38 Studios BTW, in case you're wondering.

Romney has existed in a world where everyone around him has practically sewn their lips to his asscheeks for so long, that he's no longer capable of even listening to, much less sympathizing with, someone else's point of view. Before he started this campaign, he really thought the American public would treat him the way his various lackeys and 'yes-men' have his entire career. He didn't realize that his success was ultimately going to be in the hands of the very types of people whose lives he ruined at Bain.

It's going to be entertaining to watch this campaign flail around like a turtle on its back.
 
2012-07-18 09:19:57 PM

abb3w:

He's not worried the tax returns will drive away swing voters. He's worried it will drive away the base, because his Stericycle investment is only the tip of the iceberg in there.


My guess is that he's been doing the same farking thing that the corporate class of this country has been doing for decades: Technically legal tax evasion.

The fact that he honestly didn't think it would be a serious issue during a presidential election tells me all I need to know about how delusional that scumbag is.
 
2012-07-18 09:27:39 PM
TalenLee: Raharu: At the end of the day. None of this matters to Mitt.

He may lose the election, and thats ok, God has called him to other things. Hes still rich, hes still free.

He will go home to one of his mansions, open the secret liqueur cabinet hidden behind the book case, the one with the bust of Joseph Smith on it, and pour himself a snifter of brandy. He'll then make a phone call to some of his businesses and have a few random people fired, because it simply makes him feel better.

It's weird, but one thing I have never doubted at all is Mitt's total adherence to the mormon bans on liquor and caffeine. The guy's a toolbox, a complete autamaton, but it's because the god in his church wore a smooth spot in his brain. You do religion too hard and it gives you the gift of self-delusion such that you'd be astounded. It's almost a surprise to see the moments when Mitt tells a lie that he can't justify to himself, to see the moments when that oiled, supple, mental gymnast finds one of the razorblades on the mat.


And yet, as with his involvement with Stericycle, we see that his adherence to Church teaching on abortion* is more fluid. But, hey, there was money to be made. Which is why it wouldn't surprise me if his tax forms show business dealings with liquor companies or porn. As I've said before, Utahns are the largest subscribers and downloaders of Internet porn. There's lots of money to be made thee.

*Human life is a sacred gift from God. Elective abortion for personal or social convenience is contrary to the will and the commandments of God. Church members who submit to, perform, encourage, pay for, or arrange for such abortions may lose their membership in the Church.
 
2012-07-18 09:34:43 PM
worldwideinterweb.com
 
2012-07-18 09:47:57 PM
Lorelle: George Romney released 12 years of tax returns when he ran for President in 1968. You'd think his son would be proud to follow his example.

Oh, please let someone from the Obama campaign put that quote out. The Romney campaign/GOP would just lose it right there...

/...and it would be GLORIOUS!
 
2012-07-18 09:51:04 PM
urban.derelict: [lh6.googleusercontent.com image 640x176]
/stop being stupid, partisan


Is he still a corporate whore? Is he still suggesting something that rhymes with "Flax Puts"? Does he favor a regressive national sales tax that will take MORE from the poor while giving MORE to the rich?

Yeah, no, he's a Republican, but by all means should any Republicans want to vote for him please do.
 
2012-07-18 09:58:44 PM
I bet that it's not something politically damaging but something that would end up with Romney facing criminal charges (like being invested in a nation we are forbidden to be doing business with). I can't see Romney caring all that much about something embarrassing because he's a psychopath, but he does care about not going to prison. Romney is willing to lose in November by not releasing his tax returns if it means staying out of prison.
 
2012-07-18 10:00:02 PM

Ed Finnerty: [dtdstudios.com image 843x403]


This thread has me laughing very hard on many fronts. Special thanks to you Mr. Finnerty.
 
2012-07-18 10:04:26 PM
The Stealth Hippopotamus: I can understand his worry. For some reason people think that success is a bad thing an indicator that the 'successful' person, like most 'successful' Americans, has serious sociopathic tendencies.

And Rommey has been very very very successful and there have been rumors floating around of said tendencies.


FTFY.
 
2012-07-18 10:13:30 PM
Satanic_Hamster: bugontherug: 2) I never said all my values align perfectly with the Democrats. They don't, and never have. But it is telling that you have to put words in my mouth to frame your argument. Prior to the Bush administration, for example, I would have identified myself as conservative on foreign policy. I said frequently that while I liked the Democrats better on domestic policy, I liked the Republicans better on foreign policy. No more.

Out of curiosity, why? What have the Republicans done in the last 20 years that makes you think they're competent on foreign policy?


Before the Bush administration, the Republicans were generally foreign policy "realists." They believed in foreign policy based on realpolitik, which was limited in scope, and used military force only to protect clear US interests. Democrats were foreign policy "idealists," who believed in using military force to cure the world's ills.

My foreign policy views align closely with the realist camp. "Idealism" got us bogged down in Vietnam under the Democrats, wasting a lot of our blood, treasure, and credibility there. Likewise, it was "idealism" that got us bogged down in Iraq, with much the same results. Realism's most recent success, by contrast, was Bush Sr.'s Persian Gulf War. Yes, I know it was rhetorically backed with good/evil rhetoric, and standing up against "naked aggression," and all that. But what it was really about was preventing Saddam from controlling too much mideast oil, which directly impacts the US.

The question naturally arises, "if Bush Sr.'s Gulf War was backed with the same idealist rhetoric that painted us into corners in Vietnam and Iraq, how can you distinguish it from what you call idealist crusades in Vietnam and Iraq?" Chiefly, because of the limited scope of the mission, and the fact that despite the rhetoric, everyone fully understood we were going to war to drive the evil Iraqi dictator out of Kuwait, in order to restore the rightful evil Kuwaiti dictator.
 
2012-07-18 10:14:29 PM
He sounds like he's actually afraid of Obama in that video clip.

Dude, just release the returns, say it was your friggin job as CEO to maximize shareholder return, and you did a pretty good job of it, and furthermore you didn't cheat on your taxes.

You didn't cheat on your taxes, right?

Is it that bad?
 
2012-07-18 10:16:50 PM

bugontherug: Satanic_Hamster: bugontherug: 2) I never said all my values align perfectly with the Democrats. They don't, and never have. But it is telling that you have to put words in my mouth to frame your argument. Prior to the Bush administration, for example, I would have identified myself as conservative on foreign policy. I said frequently that while I liked the Democrats better on domestic policy, I liked the Republicans better on foreign policy. No more.

Out of curiosity, why? What have the Republicans done in the last 20 years that makes you think they're competent on foreign policy?

Before the Bush administration, the Republicans were generally foreign policy "realists." They believed in foreign policy based on realpolitik, which was limited in scope, and used military force only to protect clear US interests. Democrats were foreign policy "idealists," who believed in using military force to cure the world's ills.

My foreign policy views align closely with the realist camp. "Idealism" got us bogged down in Vietnam under the Democrats, wasting a lot of our blood, treasure, and credibility there. Likewise, it was "idealism" that got us bogged down in Iraq, with much the same results. Realism's most recent success, by contrast, was Bush Sr.'s Persian Gulf War. Yes, I know it was rhetorically backed with good/evil rhetoric, and standing up against "naked aggression," and all that. But what it was really about was preventing Saddam from controlling too much mideast oil, which directly impacts the US.

The question naturally arises, "if Bush Sr.'s Gulf War was backed with the same idealist rhetoric that painted us into corners in Vietnam and Iraq, how can you distinguish it from what you call idealist crusades in Vietnam and Iraq?" Chiefly, because of the limited scope of the mission, and the fact that despite the rhetoric, everyone fully understood we were going to war to drive the evil Iraqi dictator out of Kuwait, in order to restore the rightful evil Kuwaiti dictato ...


It should be clear, btw, that the parties have almost completely reversed poles on the idealist/realist scale. Yes, Obama used US force in Libya to get rid of Qadaffi. But again, look at the relatively modest scope of the mission compared to Iraq/Vietnam. Also note that it was motivated by requests from our European allies, which is an essentially realpolitik impetus.
 
2012-07-18 10:18:34 PM

cloud_van_dame: He sounds like he's actually afraid of Obama in that video clip.


He IS afraid of Obama. He's a Republican, which means his views are formed almost entirely to rationalize his perpetual, pants-sh*tting fear of brown people.
 
2012-07-18 10:19:45 PM
Benni K Rok: Satanic_Hamster: bugontherug: 2) I never said all my values align perfectly with the Democrats. They don't, and never have. But it is telling that you have to put words in my mouth to frame your argument. Prior to the Bush administration, for example, I would have identified myself as conservative on foreign policy. I said frequently that while I liked the Democrats better on domestic policy, I liked the Republicans better on foreign policy. No more.

Out of curiosity, why? What have the Republicans done in the last 20 years that makes you think they're competent on foreign policy?anything other than farking up the government.

FTFY


It's hard to deny that Bush Sr. was pretty good at foreign policy.
 
2012-07-18 10:20:31 PM
Wyalt Derp: Another possibility(?): There really isn't anything too devastating in his tax returns, but if he were to release them now the Democrats would simply move onto another line of attack. He might feel it's better strategery to let them hammer him on this for the time being, then release them closer to the election. That would make them look a little foolish and leave less time for attacks on other issues.

Naw, he sounds like Obama did 4 years ago, mildly offended and taken aback that he has to get muddy in order to play politics.

He also sounds like a whiny coward.
 
2012-07-18 10:25:34 PM
President Obama only released his tax returns back to 2000?

WHAT IS OBAMA HIDING FROM 1999????!!!??!!!!1111!!!11eleventy111!!???
 
2012-07-18 10:26:22 PM
anfrind: For what it's worth, I consider myself independent and am registered as "Decline to state", since no political party accurately reflects my political views (social liberal, fiscal moderate, doesn't think money should equal speech).

This sounds a lot like today's Democratic Party.

What a lot of people don't understand is that really, our system punishes people who fail to vote against their last choice more than it rewards people who choose to vote for their first choice. If we lived in a proportional representation system, I might very well vote for a party left of the Democrats. But under our system, if I don't support the Democrats, I get the Republicans instead.

If there's anything the 2000 election taught me, it's that ANYTHING is better than the Republicans. Today's Republicans must be defeated at all costs always.
 
2012-07-18 10:27:16 PM
CokeBear: President Obama only released his tax returns back to 2000?

WHAT IS OBAMA HIDING FROM 1999????!!!??!!!!1111!!!11eleventy111!!???


You might have a point if Mittens had released 20 years of his tax returns.
 
2012-07-18 10:28:15 PM
bugontherug: anfrind: For what it's worth, I consider myself independent and am registered as "Decline to state", since no political party accurately reflects my political views (social liberal, fiscal moderate, doesn't think money should equal speech).

This sounds a lot like today's Democratic Party.

What a lot of people don't understand is that really, our system punishes people who fail to vote against their last choice more than it rewards people who choose to vote for their first choice. If we lived in a proportional representation system, I might very well vote for a party left of the Democrats. But under our system, if I don't support the Democrats, I get the Republicans instead.

If there's anything the 2000 election taught me, it's that ANYTHING is better than the Republicans. Today's Republicans must be defeated at all costs always.


THIS
 
2012-07-18 10:31:18 PM

bugontherug: anfrind: For what it's worth, I consider myself independent and am registered as "Decline to state", since no political party accurately reflects my political views (social liberal, fiscal moderate, doesn't think money should equal speech).

This sounds a lot like today's Democratic Party.

What a lot of people don't understand is that really, our system punishes people who fail to vote against their last choice more than it rewards people who choose to vote for their first choice. If we lived in a proportional representation system, I might very well vote for a party left of the Democrats. But under our system, if I don't support the Democrats, I get the Republicans instead.

If there's anything the 2000 election taught me, it's that ANYTHING is better than the Republicans. Today's Republicans must be defeated at all costs always.


As a resident of the fine mockery of a state we call Florida, I am acutely aware of this need.
 
2012-07-18 10:34:19 PM

bugontherug: Benni K Rok: Satanic_Hamster: bugontherug: 2) I never said all my values align perfectly with the Democrats. They don't, and never have. But it is telling that you have to put words in my mouth to frame your argument. Prior to the Bush administration, for example, I would have identified myself as conservative on foreign policy. I said frequently that while I liked the Democrats better on domestic policy, I liked the Republicans better on foreign policy. No more.

Out of curiosity, why? What have the Republicans done in the last 20 years that makes you think they're competent on foreign policy?anything other than farking up the government.

FTFY

It's hard to deny that Bush Sr. was pretty good at foreign policy.


And that was actually a pretty good example. But his son? The current state of the Republican party? Is there any doubt that, if given charge again, they wouldn't be going to war with:
Syria
Iran
The Soviet Union
 
2012-07-18 10:39:13 PM

bugontherug: CokeBear: President Obama only released his tax returns back to 2000?

WHAT IS OBAMA HIDING FROM 1999????!!!??!!!!1111!!!11eleventy111!!???

You might have a point if Mittens had released 20 years of his tax returns.


STOP TRYING TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT!! WHAT IS IN OBAMA'S 1999 TAX RETURN THAT HE'S SO AFRAID OF REVEALING??

Did he make a contribution in 1999 in support of Socialist Party candidate David McReynolds??
 
2012-07-18 10:39:21 PM

Satanic_Hamster: And that was actually a pretty good example. But his son? The current state of the Republican party? Is there any doubt that, if given charge again, they wouldn't be going to war with:
Syria
Iran
The Soviet Union



Well, I agree. Bush Jr. & 9/11 completely f*cked up the foreign policy paradigm. That's why I say I no longer agree with the Republicans on foreign policy. Not only are they idealists bound to get us locked into perpetual war, but they're totally incompetent idealists to boot. I didn't like the philosophical underpinnings of Clinton's foreign policy. But at least he executed it competently. I.e., not everything he did turned into a giant clusterf*ck.
 
2012-07-18 10:41:18 PM

Ed Finnerty: [dtdstudios.com image 843x218]


Brilliant.
 
2012-07-18 10:42:15 PM
Obama is actually really good at foreign policy.

Don't like the spending or the power grabs or NDAA, but he is good on foreign policy.
Helps that he spent a lot of time in foreign countries.
Also helps that his mom was an anthropologist.
 
2012-07-18 10:44:45 PM

contrapunctus: I'm going to agree with the above posters who said that it's likely that Romney HONESTLY didn't think his past was going to catch up with him during this election.

A weird thing happens once you reach a level of extreme wealth in life. Because, in many ways, you've essentially beaten the system, you start to think that the opinions and thoughts of other people are essentially worthless. After all, if any of these people were right, they'd be as rich as you, right? Furthermore, the degree to which people around you start engaging in sycophantic ass-kissing only serves to reinforce your belief in your own ideas as valid and no one else's. I saw this firsthand at the last videogame company I worked for where the owner basically blew through 50+ million dollars on an absolutely horrible idea that he refused to see as anything other than visionary. A few folks around him tried to tell him that he was making a huge mistake, but he promptly had them fired because HOW DARE THEY QUESTION A MAN WHO HAD BEEN SUCCESSFUL ONCE BEFORE! It wasn't 38 Studios BTW, in case you're wondering.

Romney has existed in a world where everyone around him has practically sewn their lips to his asscheeks for so long, that he's no longer capable of even listening to, much less sympathizing with, someone else's point of view. Before he started this campaign, he really thought the American public would treat him the way his various lackeys and 'yes-men' have his entire career. He didn't realize that his success was ultimately going to be in the hands of the very types of people whose lives he ruined at Bain.

It's going to be entertaining to watch this campaign flail around like a turtle on its back.


I have labelled this "The Rich Man's Disease". Very few have the antibodies to escape it.
 
2012-07-18 10:45:54 PM
Romney hasn't even released his birth certificate...imagine the epic derp from all levels of the GOP if Obama was even close to that shady.
 
2012-07-18 10:49:01 PM

CokeBear: bugontherug: CokeBear: President Obama only released his tax returns back to 2000?

WHAT IS OBAMA HIDING FROM 1999????!!!??!!!!1111!!!11eleventy111!!???

You might have a point if Mittens had released 20 years of his tax returns.

STOP TRYING TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT!! WHAT IS IN OBAMA'S 1999 TAX RETURN THAT HE'S SO AFRAID OF REVEALING??

Did he make a contribution in 1999 in support of Socialist Party candidate David McReynolds??


I think going back to 1990 will be even more revealing
 
2012-07-18 10:53:05 PM

Satanic_Hamster: The Soviet Union


Please tell me this was a well-played act of subtle sardonic humor.
 
2012-07-18 10:55:04 PM

TalenLee: It's weird, but one thing I have never doubted at all is Mitt's total adherence to the mormon bans on liquor and caffeine. The guy's a toolbox, a complete autamaton, but it's because the god in his church wore a smooth spot in his brain. You do religion too hard and it gives you the gift of self-delusion such that you'd be astounded. It's almost a surprise to see the moments when Mitt tells a lie that he can't justify to himself, to see the moments when that oiled, supple, mental gymnast finds one of the razorblades on the mat.


Write fiction. Publish fiction. Make sure it gets shipped to Canada. "One of the razorblades on the mat" is a powerful, graceful turn of phrase.
 
2012-07-18 11:01:53 PM
If Romney survives the convention
(no sure thing, there's many who want to start a groundswell against him and not just Paulites)
I will relish the debates with much schadenfreude. (and schnappes)
 
2012-07-18 11:03:32 PM
i158.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-18 11:10:30 PM

cloud_van_dame: Dude, just release the returns, say it was your friggin job as CEO to maximize shareholder return, and you did a pretty good job of it, and furthermore you didn't cheat on your taxes.


there is that, however if you take a second to look at who the stockholders were, it doesn't change anything.

there was 1 stockholder. i don't want to give it away, or anything, but his his initials are Mitt Romney.
 
2012-07-18 11:15:25 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: [p.twimg.com image 843x403]

Hammer him.


One incomplete tax return doesn't really need a mark.
 
2012-07-18 11:15:57 PM
McCain only released 2 yrs. where was the McCain tax outrage of '08?
And what do you suppose Obama will be looking for in romney's filings? He'll be looking for foreign investments. Of course he won't care that 5 millionaire cabinet members of his also has significant equity stakes in foreign investments. And of course it was Romney's trustee, not Romney, that would have made those foreign investments, and of course any of you Farkers with a 401k have foreign investments....
 
2012-07-18 11:16:31 PM

thamike: Satanic_Hamster: The Soviet Union

Please tell me this was a well-played act of subtle sardonic humor.


Both McCain in 2008 and Romney in 2012, while running for President, vowed war/conflict against the Soviet Union. At least McCain could claim being senile as a defense. But Romney?
 
2012-07-18 11:16:32 PM

contrapunctus: I'm going to agree with the above posters who said that it's likely that Romney HONESTLY didn't think his past was going to catch up with him during this election.

A weird thing happens once you reach a level of extreme wealth in life. Because, in many ways, you've essentially beaten the system, you start to think that the opinions and thoughts of other people are essentially worthless. After all, if any of these people were right, they'd be as rich as you, right? Furthermore, the degree to which people around you start engaging in sycophantic ass-kissing only serves to reinforce your belief in your own ideas as valid and no one else's. I saw this firsthand at the last videogame company I worked for where the owner basically blew through 50+ million dollars on an absolutely horrible idea that he refused to see as anything other than visionary. A few folks around him tried to tell him that he was making a huge mistake, but he promptly had them fired because HOW DARE THEY QUESTION A MAN WHO HAD BEEN SUCCESSFUL ONCE BEFORE! It wasn't 38 Studios BTW, in case you're wondering.

Romney has existed in a world where everyone around him has practically sewn their lips to his asscheeks for so long, that he's no longer capable of even listening to, much less sympathizing with, someone else's point of view. Before he started this campaign, he really thought the American public would treat him the way his various lackeys and 'yes-men' have his entire career. He didn't realize that his success was ultimately going to be in the hands of the very types of people whose lives he ruined at Bain.

It's going to be entertaining to watch this campaign flail around like a turtle on its back.


Wait - need closure here. So was your videogame company owner's $50m idea successful or not??

/Was it video strip poker for senior citizens?
 
2012-07-18 11:18:51 PM
My honest-to-God not trolling guess isn't that he pulled in massive cash from Bain despite "not working there", or that he's embarrased by a ridiculously low tax rate due to loopholes and capital gains, it's that his known net worth probably went up by a factor of ten greater than his stated net income, and if it was one of us little people he would have been audited for tax evasion in a heartbeat.

If he shows them Democrats will do the math and he'll either have to cop to tax evasion or explain precisely how those lovely cayman island bank accounts work, and neither would do him wonders.
 
2012-07-18 11:20:41 PM

heap: cloud_van_dame: Dude, just release the returns, say it was your friggin job as CEO to maximize shareholder return, and you did a pretty good job of it, and furthermore you didn't cheat on your taxes.

there is that, however if you take a second to look at who the stockholders were, it doesn't change anything.

there was 1 stockholder. i don't want to give it away, or anything, but his his initials are Mitt Romney.


Lulz.

Romney is like the kid in A Christmas Story being dared to lick the frozen pole. He's farked either way.

If releases his returns he basically shows the public a blueprint for how to assfark the system with impunity.

If he doesn't, he shows contempt for voters and political tradition.

//I'll be drinking a tall glass of '68 Chateau Romneytears in November.
 
2012-07-18 11:33:58 PM

Lochsteppe: contrapunctus: I'm going to agree with the above posters who said that it's likely that Romney HONESTLY didn't think his past was going to catch up with him during this election.

A weird thing happens once you reach a level of extreme wealth in life. Because, in many ways, you've essentially beaten the system, you start to think that the opinions and thoughts of other people are essentially worthless. After all, if any of these people were right, they'd be as rich as you, right? Furthermore, the degree to which people around you start engaging in sycophantic ass-kissing only serves to reinforce your belief in your own ideas as valid and no one else's. I saw this firsthand at the last videogame company I worked for where the owner basically blew through 50+ million dollars on an absolutely horrible idea that he refused to see as anything other than visionary. A few folks around him tried to tell him that he was making a huge mistake, but he promptly had them fired because HOW DARE THEY QUESTION A MAN WHO HAD BEEN SUCCESSFUL ONCE BEFORE! It wasn't 38 Studios BTW, in case you're wondering.

Romney has existed in a world where everyone around him has practically sewn their lips to his asscheeks for so long, that he's no longer capable of even listening to, much less sympathizing with, someone else's point of view. Before he started this campaign, he really thought the American public would treat him the way his various lackeys and 'yes-men' have his entire career. He didn't realize that his success was ultimately going to be in the hands of the very types of people whose lives he ruined at Bain.

It's going to be entertaining to watch this campaign flail around like a turtle on its back.

Wait - need closure here. So was your videogame company owner's $50m idea successful or not??

/Was it video strip poker for senior citizens?


It was a colossal disaster. 5 years was spent developing it, and the end result was something that never really got off the ground, and only had a few hundred paying users for the very shaky beta. It was an absolute abortion of a project.

It almost completely ruined him. He's cut back his staff to a skeleton crew that only does marketing and brand management; no actual development anymore.
 
2012-07-18 11:39:36 PM

contrapunctus: Lochsteppe: contrapunctus: I'm going to agree with the above posters who said that it's likely that Romney HONESTLY didn't think his past was going to catch up with him during this election.

A weird thing happens once you reach a level of extreme wealth in life. Because, in many ways, you've essentially beaten the system, you start to think that the opinions and thoughts of other people are essentially worthless. After all, if any of these people were right, they'd be as rich as you, right? Furthermore, the degree to which people around you start engaging in sycophantic ass-kissing only serves to reinforce your belief in your own ideas as valid and no one else's. I saw this firsthand at the last videogame company I worked for where the owner basically blew through 50+ million dollars on an absolutely horrible idea that he refused to see as anything other than visionary. A few folks around him tried to tell him that he was making a huge mistake, but he promptly had them fired because HOW DARE THEY QUESTION A MAN WHO HAD BEEN SUCCESSFUL ONCE BEFORE! It wasn't 38 Studios BTW, in case you're wondering.

Romney has existed in a world where everyone around him has practically sewn their lips to his asscheeks for so long, that he's no longer capable of even listening to, much less sympathizing with, someone else's point of view. Before he started this campaign, he really thought the American public would treat him the way his various lackeys and 'yes-men' have his entire career. He didn't realize that his success was ultimately going to be in the hands of the very types of people whose lives he ruined at Bain.

It's going to be entertaining to watch this campaign flail around like a turtle on its back.

Wait - need closure here. So was your videogame company owner's $50m idea successful or not??

/Was it video strip poker for senior citizens?

It was a colossal disaster. 5 years was spent developing it, and the end result was something that never really got off ...


Was it Neocron?
 
2012-07-18 11:48:32 PM

propasaurus: And yet, as with his involvement with Stericycle, we see that his adherence to Church teaching on abortion* is more fluid. But, hey, there was money to be made. Which is why it wouldn't surprise me if his tax forms show business dealings with liquor companies or porn. As I've said before, Utahns are the largest subscribers and downloaders of Internet porn. There's lots of money to be made thee.


Oh absolutely! Absolutely, the thing is, this whole mindset, this notion of adherence is that churchgoers will be dogged about things that don't inconvenience them. The character of Mitt is such that he doesn't really find coffee that tasty and doesn't find alcohol interesting, so bam, he can be teetotal, and can avoid them entirely. I know - this was stuck on me at a young age. I'm colossally nonreligious now, but damn if I don't find it easy to avoid alcohol.

Of course, Mitt isn't against money, and so the justifications happen in his head, as tab A slots into Pivot Q and you wind up with folded underwear that looks like a duck.
 
2012-07-19 12:03:34 AM
in 2008 or 2009? The IRS gave amnesty to thousands of ultra-rich tax evaders whose names they had collected from overseas banks.

My guess is his tax records reflect that.
 
2012-07-19 12:20:02 AM

Misch: rev. dave: That or something to do with sex, which will never happen

Will it disclose that Mitt Romney reported income from tips as an "exotic dancer"?


Magic Mitt?

*violent hurling noises*
 
2012-07-19 12:22:03 AM
What would Romney's father think about Mitt not releasing his tax forms?
 
2012-07-19 12:24:47 AM
Has no one ever equated Billco to Phil Silver's Sgt. Bilko of television fame? Given how Billco posts, one has to realize that he/she is selling a bill of goods. Neither character ever provided anything of substance.

On the other hand, I only lurk so I may have missed a more astute posting by one of the Politics Tab regulars.
 
2012-07-19 12:30:00 AM

heap: there is that, however if you take a second to look at who the stockholders were, it doesn't change anything.


In other words, Mitt personally invested in the Iranian National Oil Company.

OK, we have a big problem here. Who owns Bain Capital stock currently? In 2004?

Anyone besides Mitt? I mean, not including his wife's trust.
 
2012-07-19 12:31:08 AM

contrapunctus: //I'll be drinking a tall glass of '68 Chateau Romneytears in November.


I wasn't impressed. The '68, due to a blight, was a vintage that peaked in the 80s (when it was still an undervalued yet inexplicably well marketed table wine but now has a rudimentary nose of oak and cocoa butter leading all too recklessly into cave minerals and poorly scouted, hopelessly squandered yet mildly cliched terroir. The mouthfeel was as enjoyable as blenderhand egg-beater dregs from an unsanitary yet unparalleled Chinese speakeasy with B squad burlesque and cleanser laced cocaine occasionally served on a rickety baby grand piano. All in all, it would be a stab in the dark to properly put words to the impression I got while sipping the decanted yet strangely blander Romney 68. However, I'll try.

There is far too much acid on the swish to make up for the preposterous amount of malolactic residuals which are already choking on oak and lipstick trash. This would all pair off nicely with a cheesecake made of Preparation H, but on its own, especially with a dubiously overpopulated exchange of unskilled hands, all it does is confound and alienate lifelong alcoholics and deadbeats while simultaneously soothing the vintage-heavy crash-course amateurs who insist on believing that acting posh while tilting a plastic dentists' thimble-- half full of warm imitation Pinot Gris--at the sky to view the clarity of the early morning sun taking its first peak at the express lane at Trader Joe's, is considered a classy act unworthy of reconciliation until everything is good and boring.

SCORE: 67/100 COOK WITH IT WHEN STRAPPED FOR CASH WHILE ON VACATION
 
2012-07-19 12:42:49 AM

DogBlack: If Romney survives the convention
(no sure thing, there's many who want to start a groundswell against him and not just Paulites)



My dad who is a bleeding heart liberal agreed with me when I said Santorum would be a better president than Romney.

Three months ago he kinda thought Romney was OK.
 
2012-07-19 01:27:46 AM

bwilson27: FlashHarry: i wonder if they're going to try to forge them. that would be really funny. maybe we could get sheriff joe arpaio on the case.

Sheriff Joe (R) go after Rmoney (R)??? But Mitt's not an African Muslin Kenyan! He's a good man!!


I hear Rmoney's part Messican...
 
2012-07-19 01:44:09 AM
img225.imageshack.us
 
2012-07-19 02:29:57 AM
Anyone seriously believe Romney isn't hiding something?
 
2012-07-19 02:35:06 AM

Bucky Katt: Anyone seriously believe Romney isn't hiding something?


Not even the trolls.
 
2012-07-19 02:36:45 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Three Crooked Squirrels: Speculation is probably worse than knowledge in this case.

True to his campaign thus far: Schrodinger's Tax Returns -- until we actually see them, they contain both damning information and nothing.


I'm so stealing that.
 
2012-07-19 02:43:49 AM

propasaurus: Bucky Katt: Anyone seriously believe Romney isn't hiding something?

Not even the trolls.


Thus the even-more-desperate-than-usual deflection attempts.
 
2012-07-19 03:32:44 AM

Mawson of the Antarctic: What would Romney's father think about Mitt not releasing his tax forms?


static.guim.co.uk

Son, I am disappoint.


/Hot like an Angry Dad.
 
2012-07-19 04:41:41 AM
Even if he eventually releases these tax returns, I am just going to go on claiming that his tax returns are forgeries and the real tax returns prove he is a foreign born America hating Mormanist polygamist who intends to force his magical underwear on all of us.

I'll bring in my "experts" and everything. I will expose the conspiracy - which is in no way fuel by a hatred of robots. Why some of my best friends are practically robots themselves.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-19 04:44:52 AM

jm105: I hear Rmoney's part Messican...


I wish those damn Messicans would get out of 'Merica and go back to what ever the hell farkin continent they came from!
 
2012-07-19 04:55:17 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I can understand his worry. For some reason people think that success is a bad thing.

And Rommey has been very very very successful


No, that is not true. If it were, then there would be many, many hated wealthy people. Bill Gates would be despised (windows Vista notwithstanding). Larry Ellison would have protesters around his house all the time. Richard Branson would be burned in effigy. People would be pissing on Steve Jobs' grave. Warren Buffett would fear for his life every minute of every day. Every single one of these people and many more of the wealthy would be protested and vilified by OWS and other groups regularly.

Yet none of that is happening. And none of that will happen. Do you know why that is?

IT'S BECAUSE THEY AREN'T ASSHOLES.

People like Romney aren't disliked because they are "successful" (Rush talking point - DRINK!), but because they're assholes. Success, whatever that is, is not a bad thing. Being a successful asshole is a bad thing.
The difference between rich assholes and poor assholes is that rich assholes can do more damage. Romney and those like him are the epitome of the vulture capitalism that has cost this country millions of jobs and billions of dollars while making just a comparatively few people very very rich.
While that attitude and behavior might make one a "success" on Wall Street, that sh*t doesn't fly on Pennsylvania avenue or on Main street.
 
2012-07-19 06:27:42 AM

Craptastic: urban.derelict: Mrtraveler01: And vote for the guy who was a Republican until he lost the primary.

Ye... no. he was never included in the primaries, because you're a retard.


OH MY GOD HE MADE ONE PRIMARY BEFORE HE WAS REFUSED

/STOP THE PRESSES
//he's the goddamn Batman
/Abe Lincoln was a Republican too, you know

InvertedB: Don't forget your United States Note canned posts.


Hey, thanks. What do JFK and Lincoln have in common, despite being 'opposite' parties?

/you f*cking dumbasses just can't figure it out can you? By basing the value of the USD not on gold but on many, many varied interests, it allows for rampant speculation and insider trading which leads to... SURVEY SAYS: The Great Depression, the dot com crash of 2002, the housing collapse of 2007... vast numbers of people losing obscene amounts of money... while insiders -- some might suggest politicians, too! -- make out like bandits
//off to light my stogie with $1000 bills like the international bankers
///http://www.esoterictube.com/the-money-masters.html
//keep f*cking that chicken, InvertedB
 
2012-07-19 07:08:05 AM

urban.derelict: Hey, thanks. What do JFK and Lincoln have in common, despite being 'opposite' parties?


JFK was shot in a Lincoln.
 
2012-07-19 07:20:54 AM

rewind2846: Larry Ellison would have protesters around his house all the time


Larry Ellison is kind of a prick but he isn't trying to run for office. If he did, he would get the same treatment as Romney. Or anyone else running for president, for that matter.
 
2012-07-19 09:38:32 AM

contrapunctus: Before he started this campaign, he really thought the American public would treat him the way his various lackeys and 'yes-men' have his entire career. He didn't realize that his success was ultimately going to be in the hands of the very types of people whose lives he ruined at Bain.


armagideon-time.com
 
2012-07-19 09:40:49 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: As a purely intellectual exercise: try to imagine the reaction online and from the "liberal" media if a Democratic candidate refused to release his tax returns and made statements of this type.


I think people want information on BOTH candidates.

At this point it seems clear that there is something Romney doesn't want us to see. That makes people want to see it even more. It's human nature. I don't really believe it would be different w/ a Democrat.

For example, when the birther thing came up the media said "Why not release the certificate". It went away when the certificate was released. Now only crackpots talk about it.
 
2012-07-19 09:43:18 AM

propasaurus: BillCo: FTFA: Loose translation of Mitt Romney's message to Republicans calling for him to release his tax returns: "Guys, trust me, if I release my returns it'll be even worse than it already is."

So, what language did he originally say that in? Was it German? Maybe French? Because otherwise, it's not a translation, it's what we call "making things up". But then, the Democrats are good at that.

Translation: "I got nuthin'."


t2.gstatic.com
 
2012-07-19 09:50:35 AM

Wyalt Derp: Another possibility(?): There really isn't anything too devastating in his tax returns, but if he were to release them now the Democrats would simply move onto another line of attack. He might feel it's better strategery to let them hammer him on this for the time being, then release them closer to the election. That would make them look a little foolish and leave less time for attacks on other issues.


For this to be the strategy they would need to assume that Romney's returns are so clean the opposition will find nothing to crow about. That seems like a stretch to me given the Bain confusion, swiss bank accounts, and $21M - $100M IRA.
 
2012-07-19 09:56:56 AM

rewind2846: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I can understand his worry. For some reason people think that success is a bad thing.

And Rommey has been very very very successful

No, that is not true. If it were, then there would be many, many hated wealthy people. Bill Gates would be despised (windows Vista notwithstanding). Larry Ellison would have protesters around his house all the time. Richard Branson would be burned in effigy. People would be pissing on Steve Jobs' grave. Warren Buffett would fear for his life every minute of every day. Every single one of these people and many more of the wealthy would be protested and vilified by OWS and other groups regularly.

Yet none of that is happening. And none of that will happen. Do you know why that is?

IT'S BECAUSE THEY AREN'T ASSHOLES.

People like Romney aren't disliked because they are "successful" (Rush talking point - DRINK!), but because they're assholes. Success, whatever that is, is not a bad thing. Being a successful asshole is a bad thing.
The difference between rich assholes and poor assholes is that rich assholes can do more damage. Romney and those like him are the epitome of the vulture capitalism that has cost this country millions of jobs and billions of dollars while making just a comparatively few people very very rich.
While that attitude and behavior might make one a "success" on Wall Street, that sh*t doesn't fly on Pennsylvania avenue or on Main street.


t0.gstatic.com
 
2012-07-19 10:33:27 AM
Maybe he does not want to release his taxes because it might show that he is better off today than he was 4 years ago.
 
2012-07-19 11:01:49 AM

DancingElkCondor: Romney's tax records can't be as bad as Obama's Birth Certificate. At least Obama does release Birth Certtificates...because he has so many different ones


0/10
 
2012-07-19 11:18:31 AM
Fail in Human Form :
Let's assume his tax returns show he was heavily invested in companies that caused the financial collapse among a myriad of other things. Let's also assume he got out before the ship sank and made boatloads of cash from his positions. When you're actively campaigning to remove regulations and return the market to "how it was" well... those attack ads write themselves. The base will rationalize it as good business, which you'd hear FOX et all trumpet endlessly, the problem is swing voters might look at this and then check out their 401k and say "fark this guy".

I think it's safer to say he has probably used loopholes to save on taxes and if this is made public the Democrats will point to it and use it to fit into their narrative of"Rich people get all the breaks". Im not sure if that will move the meter with independents but it will give allow pundits to give everyone a headache for awhile. Even if he was investing heavily into companies that caused the financial collapse-it wasnt as if he was directing fund managers to seek out those kind of investments. All the large brokerage houses were involved in the swaps-it would be hard to find people who weren't. Alan Greenspan and his cronies knew full well what was going on. The whole issue would become political fodder because people understand very little about our system..... The only questions that should matter for this country are: Who has the better policy ideas to create more jobs (demand and production) without increasing taxes, and who can make it really simple to understand. This is the guessing game that voters have to consider-everything else is just fodder.

I wish Obama was more of a moderate Democrat, because I would probably vote for him. I truly think Romney will be the moderate in this race, and will look a lot like Clinton in 98 and 99. Remember, this is the guy who the far right didnt want to touch with a ten foot pole. We need a moderate. This guy will not be Bush.
 
2012-07-19 11:55:54 AM
I think the Obama team is pulling their punches a bit until after the convention. There is certainly enough "out there" (that they have) to wipe Romney out right now, it's getting close to that point between the Olympics, Bain, Massachusetts, no good VP possibilities and the conservative pandering.

Were Romney to be replaced before or at the convention that would be good for the Republican party, giving them the appearance of "turning it around" with a huge gain of momentum and a sparkly new set of candidates.

It is *so* refreshing to see smart tactics from progressives. Keep Romney on the ropes until after the convention then pound the shiat out of that "convention bump."
 
2012-07-19 12:02:31 PM

hubiestubert: Folks are keen that money equals speech, and this will show fairly conclusively what Mitt has been really saying over the years. Might be a good idea to listen close...


Wouldn't it be ironic if he ended up contributing to groups like the ACLU.

/doubtful
 
2012-07-19 12:07:40 PM

Ed Finnerty: [dtdstudios.com image 843x403]


goddamit

/lol
 
2012-07-19 12:20:39 PM
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torr5962: I think it's safer to say he has probably used loopholes to save on taxes and if this is made public the Democrats will point to it and use it to fit into their narrative of"Rich people get all the breaks".


That definitely isn't it. He used plenty of those tricks in the return he did release and already said he paid taxes that were owed but not a penny more. That criticism has come and gone.

I wish Obama was more of a moderate Democrat, because I would probably vote for him. I truly think Romney will be the moderate in this race, and will look a lot like Clinton in 98 and 99. Remember, this is the guy who the far right didnt want to touch with a ten foot pole. We need a moderate. This guy will not be Bush.

Obama is a rightest Democrat. He's to the right of Clinton in most things. Romney is also going to play moderate but he will undoubtedly be another Bush. His economic and foreign policy advisors are the same ones Bush used. Romney doesn't seem to have any strong ideology and will likely defer to them in most cases.
 
2012-07-19 12:26:28 PM

torr5962: We need a moderate. This guy will not be Bush.



Epitaph for the GOP?
 
2012-07-19 12:29:52 PM

xanadian: Wouldn't it be ironic if he ended up contributing to groups like the ACLU.


Or PP. That'd be a campaign killer.
 
2012-07-19 12:53:40 PM

incendi: xanadian: Wouldn't it be ironic if he ended up contributing to groups like the ACLU.

Or PP. That'd be a campaign killer.


Nope.
 
2012-07-19 12:59:24 PM
poot_rootbeer

I dunno, having one of the two major candidates drop out in the middle of the race forcing his party to find a replacement could make for some pretty compelling news-ertainment.

Remember when Bob Torricelli dropped out late in the 2002 Senate race because he was about to be indicted on federal corruption charges, and the Democratic Party swapped in then-retired senator emeritus Frank Lautenberg who beat Torricelli's challenger handily?

/probably not unless you lived in NJ then.


ONLY in NJ could this have happened. Now we cant get Lautenberg out unless he croaks. He refused to step aside for members of his own party (Rob Andrews).
 
2012-07-19 12:59:34 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Nope.


Well, I meant since the Great Flip Flop he executed when he decided to run for office in front of a larger audience. But it is amusing how blatant his pandering is.
 
2012-07-19 01:22:20 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: incendi: xanadian: Wouldn't it be ironic if he ended up contributing to groups like the ACLU.

Or PP. That'd be a campaign killer.

Nope.


Oh. Wow.

I wonder if it's shiat like this that the Obama camp knows about, and they'll use it to DESTROY support from his base?
 
2012-07-19 01:26:12 PM

xanadian: Oh. Wow.

I wonder if it's shiat like this that the Obama camp knows about, and they'll use it to DESTROY support from his base?


Naw, that's all waved away because he had a change of heart, just like Bush's youthful indiscretions were because he was born again.

Now, if it came out that he was donating to them more recently, then it might be useful as a line of attack.
 
2012-07-19 01:29:02 PM

Ed Finnerty: Wyalt Derp: I'd quite like to see a graphic representing "Years in which President Obama and Mitt Romney have released their birth certificates".

[dtdstudios.com image 843x403]


I'm so falling in love with you.....
 
2012-07-19 02:12:22 PM

Pincy: Very interesting. So even when he releases a years worth of returns he doesn't really release a years worth of returns. I hope all the Teabaggers are happy with Romney's version of transparency if he god forbid reaches the White House.


Teabaggers (hell, all republicans for that matter) are nothing but a bunch of spineless pussies who will do exactly as they're told. just like usual. They know who their betters are.
 
2012-07-19 05:21:26 PM
Perhaps completely img.fark.neted....
 
2012-07-20 05:36:40 AM
The only people who give a crap about seeing his tax returns are the people who are not going to vote for him ayway. Unless he did something illegal, I don't really care. He's rich. I'm not. He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. I was born in a house that had holes in the walls and the cold winter weather blew through it.

This is really getting petty and old.
 
2012-07-20 05:52:04 PM

Bigdogdaddy: The only people who give a crap about seeing his tax returns are the people who are not going to vote for him ayway. Unless he did something illegal, I don't really care. He's rich. I'm not. He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. I was born in a house that had holes in the walls and the cold winter weather blew through it.

This is really getting petty and old.


Actually, one would think that the people who were going to vote for him would like to know if he's a tax cheat, a tax skirt, an outsourcer, etc. This isn't a love affair rumor. This hits at the core of his entire platform (if he even has one). Just because you may have been bitten by the everything's-the-same bug doesn't mean everybody else has. The only thing getting petty and old is the Romney campaign.
 
2012-07-20 08:59:30 PM

Bigdogdaddy: The only people who give a crap about seeing his tax returns are the people who are not going to vote for him ayway. Unless he did something illegal, I don't really care. He's rich. I'm not. He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. I was born in a house that had holes in the walls and the cold winter weather blew through it.

This is really getting petty and old.


Now that the Cock Bros, Adelson and others have made a mockery of democracy in Wisconsin and other states, not to mention the tens of millions they've spent trying to destabilize the country to get rid of the black guy in the White House, you're sick and tired of hard ball politics, eh?

Is that it? Really? REALLY?

You know what? TOO FARKING BAD! That's what.
 
2012-07-21 02:24:28 AM

thamike: Bigdogdaddy: The only people who give a crap about seeing his tax returns are the people who are not going to vote for him ayway. Unless he did something illegal, I don't really care. He's rich. I'm not. He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. I was born in a house that had holes in the walls and the cold winter weather blew through it.

This is really getting petty and old.

Actually, one would think that the people who were going to vote for him would like to know if he's a tax cheat, a tax skirt, an outsourcer, etc. This isn't a love affair rumor. This hits at the core of his entire platform (if he even has one). Just because you may have been bitten by the everything's-the-same bug doesn't mean everybody else has. The only thing getting petty and old is the Romney campaign.


My point is (respectfully) is if tomorrow he released his tax returns and you could see that took only legal deductions, had no money in foreign account ever, had put all of his money in a blind trust and knew nothing of who was doing what with it and was not any part of Bain Capital when he said he was no longer connected, paid 60% income tax it is highly unlikely you would vote for him because you have made up your mind as pretty much ever American has that gives a crap.

You are from a largely democratic area which will go to the democratic party and I live in a red state who will most definitely go to Rmoney. The only people who will make a difference is the swing states.
 
2012-07-21 07:56:36 AM

Bigdogdaddy: My point is (respectfully) is if tomorrow he released his tax returns and you could see that took only legal deductions, had no money in foreign account ever, had put all of his money in a blind trust and knew nothing of who was doing what with it and was not any part of Bain Capital when he said he was no longer connected, paid 60% income tax it is highly unlikely you would vote for him because you have made up your mind as pretty much ever American has that gives a crap.

You are from a largely democratic area which will go to the democratic party and I live in a red state who will most definitely go to Rmoney. The only people who will make a difference is the swing states.


I wouldn't change my mind, because I am very pleased with President Obama. Even if I was one of these inexplicably undecided voters, Romney has a hell of a lot more going against him than just his sleazy behavior about his finances. And I do live in a swing state--Virginia. Which wasn't a swing state until Obama showed up. The thing is, some people aren't pleased with Obama, but still don't know much about Romney. If his finances are squeaky clean (they probably aren't) that would be the thing to get some votes from the independents. He might even lose moderate Republicans if it turns out he's hiding some serious dirt.
You can even forget about which way people are voting. His hiding of his finances is important, and the voters' questions are important. The birth certificate fiasco is old and petty, but this is entirely different.
 
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