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(Daily Kos)   RomneyBot 2.0 hits programming glitch, accidentally tells truth: "If I release my tax returns, I am completely farked"   (dailykos.com) divider line 366
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2012-07-18 02:49:05 PM
As a purely intellectual exercise: try to imagine the reaction online and from the "liberal" media if a Democratic candidate refused to release his tax returns and made statements of this type.
 
2012-07-18 02:50:12 PM
Am I the only one who hates made up direct "quotes" in headlines, from either side of the aisle?
 
2012-07-18 02:52:18 PM
Oh, I think people in my party just say, "Look, this is a non-issue. Just release the returns and it will go away." My experience is that the Democratic Party these days has approached taxes in a very different way than in the past. Their opposition people look for anything they can find to distort, to twist, and to try and make negative.

Um. Switch your tag to (D) and see what your current team does.
 
2012-07-18 02:53:32 PM
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Hammer him.
 
2012-07-18 02:55:53 PM

Jackson Herring: Am I the only one who hates made up direct "quotes" in headlines, from either side of the aisle?


Eh, it seems to be a pretty standard Farkism. I usually assume subby is paraphrasing for comedic/trolling effect, unless it ends with something like, "no, really. He actually said that."

/Not subby.
 
2012-07-18 02:59:17 PM
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2012-07-18 03:00:31 PM
The funny thing is I don't even care if he does. His record at Bain and as Gov. of Mass. says everything there needs to be known about the man.
 
2012-07-18 03:02:47 PM
I wonder how bad it will look for him if he releases 1999-2002 considering the whole question of what he was/was not doing for Bain in that period. Was it just the 100k for doing nothing or are there performance bonus's for doing nothing?

The more he fights it the less I trust him and we started at zero trust.
 
2012-07-18 03:03:23 PM

Jackson Herring: Am I the only one who hates made up direct "quotes" in headlines, from either side of the aisle?


Yeah, I don't like it. It's intellectually dishonest. It's easy to construct a sentence that doesn't use them but still has the same effect. At least this is Fark, what I hate is when writers do this in published articles.
 
2012-07-18 03:06:56 PM
He's completely farked either way. Which is good for the country.
 
2012-07-18 03:08:39 PM
FTFA: Loose translation of Mitt Romney's message to Republicans calling for him to release his tax returns: "Guys, trust me, if I release my returns it'll be even worse than it already is."

So, what language did he originally say that in? Was it German? Maybe French? Because otherwise, it's not a translation, it's what we call "making things up". But then, the Democrats are good at that.
 
2012-07-18 03:09:17 PM

Jackson Herring: Am I the only one who hates made up direct "quotes" in headlines, from either side of the aisle?


"Me too."
 
2012-07-18 03:11:21 PM

BillCo: FTFA: Loose translation of Mitt Romney's message to Republicans calling for him to release his tax returns: "Guys, trust me, if I release my returns it'll be even worse than it already is."

So, what language did he originally say that in? Was it German? Maybe French? Because otherwise, it's not a translation, it's what we call "making things up". But then, the Democrats are good at that.


Translation: "I got nuthin'."
 
2012-07-18 03:14:28 PM

BillCo: FTFA: Loose translation of Mitt Romney's message to Republicans calling for him to release his tax returns: "Guys, trust me, if I release my returns it'll be even worse than it already is."

So, what language did he originally say that in? Was it German? Maybe French? Because otherwise, it's not a translation, it's what we call "making things up". But then, the Democrats are good at that.


You sound taxed enough already... Maybe you should go lie down or play with your crayons.
 
2012-07-18 03:15:58 PM
Jackson Herring: "I love made up quotes. They're the bees' knees."
 
2012-07-18 03:20:06 PM

Vodka Zombie: Jackson Herring: "I love made up quotes. They're the bees' knees."


propasaurus: "Me too."


less than three.
 
2012-07-18 03:22:30 PM

Jackson Herring: Am I the only one who hates made up direct "quotes" in headlines, from either side of the aisle?


We need some sort of headline shorthand for paraphrasing, or maybe just a primer on when quotation marks should be used.
 
2012-07-18 03:23:17 PM

bdub77: The funny thing is I don't even care if he does. His record at Bain and as Gov. of Mass. says everything there needs to be known about the man.


The fact that he's doing everything he can to avoid talking about his time as governor says a lot as well.

Namely, he's absolutely ashamed of what he did when he actually had political power.
 
2012-07-18 03:24:34 PM

propasaurus: BillCo: FTFA: Loose translation of Mitt Romney's message to Republicans calling for him to release his tax returns: "Guys, trust me, if I release my returns it'll be even worse than it already is."

So, what language did he originally say that in? Was it German? Maybe French? Because otherwise, it's not a translation, it's what we call "making things up". But then, the Democrats are good at that.

Translation: "I got nuthin'."


Sweet
 
2012-07-18 03:25:41 PM
He really needs to release them now. Get it over with. Because if he goes all the way through to November without releasing anything else, swing voters are going to grow more and more suspicious. If he is going to win, he's going to win in a very close election. He can't afford even a small part of the middle getting suspicious.

Disclaimer: I am in no way undecided or a swing voter. I do not know how swing voters think. It boggles my mind that there are still people who are undecided.
 
2012-07-18 03:25:49 PM
"I hereby decree that all horse farting videos will be deleted from the internet." - President Barack Obama
 
2012-07-18 03:27:48 PM
I like what Maryland governor Martin O'Malley said: McCain saw Romney's taxes and chose Palin.
 
2012-07-18 03:28:13 PM

Jackson Herring: Vodka Zombie: Jackson Herring: "I love made up quotes. They're the bees' knees."

propasaurus: "Me too."

More than three.


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2012-07-18 03:28:14 PM

BillCo: FTFA: Loose translation of Mitt Romney's message to Republicans calling for him to release his tax returns: "Guys, trust me, if I release my returns it'll be even worse than it already is."

So, what language did he originally say that in? Was it German? Maybe French? Because otherwise, it's not a translation, it's what we call "making things up". But then, the Democrats are good at that.


Did you miss your nap today? Because you sound a bit addled. Words sometimes have multiple meanings. Translated, for instance, can mean to render in another language or to explain in different words or paraphrase.

Of course, you seem to prefer to be intentionally obtuse, so it's not surprising that you're pretending the word was used incorrectly.
 
2012-07-18 03:29:38 PM

Jackson Herring: Am I the only one who hates made up direct "quotes" in headlines, from either side of the aisle?


"Both sides make up quotes so vote for Romney" -Fartson Herring
 
2012-07-18 03:29:44 PM

GreenAdder: I like what Maryland governor Martin O'Malley said: McCain saw Romney's taxes and chose Palin.


Actually, McCain said that too. And then he tried to make up for it. And then the internets exploded in laughter.
 
2012-07-18 03:30:11 PM
Also, he is right that they will be picked through and used against him. Almost anything can probably be turned against him. Criticism can be anywhere from his ridiculously low effective tax rate and tax shelters to "ZOMG!! He wants to abolish green energy tax credits but took advantage of them when retrofitting his New Hampshire mansion!" But I have a feeling that if he rips it off like a band aid now, it won't hurt nearly as bad as it would if he releases nothing more. Speculation is probably worse than knowledge in this case.
 
2012-07-18 03:35:27 PM
Cable News abhors a vacuum. The longer he waits the more They get to fill in the blanks.

"They say Romney's 2001 tax return includes writing off a vodka-peeing sculpture of Jerry Sandusky at a pool party with Osama Bin Laden at Kim Jong Il's mansion"
"They say Romney paid his entire 2008 tax bill by stealing pennies from the Dunkin Donuts 'take a penny, leave a penny' cup"
"They say Romney's 2006 tax return is just a video of him taking a shiat in the Shriners' Hospital mailbox."
"They say Romney got Green Tax Credits in 2009 for retrofitting his Dusenberg to run on the souls of dead orphans."
 
2012-07-18 03:35:50 PM

Vodka Zombie: GreenAdder: I like what Maryland governor Martin O'Malley said: McCain saw Romney's taxes and chose Palin.

Actually, McCain said that too. And then he tried to make up for it. And then the internets exploded in laughter.


It's funny that McCain essentially walked into the same trap Romney did with the whole Bain/SEC thing. Whichever way he answers only opens him up to attack from the other side.

Either he saw something so bad in Romney's file that Palin was better or Romney was better but he still went with Palin and put party over country.
 
2012-07-18 03:36:30 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: Speculation is probably worse than knowledge in this case.


True to his campaign thus far: Schrodinger's Tax Returns -- until we actually see them, they contain both damning information and nothing.
 
2012-07-18 03:37:30 PM
I can understand his worry. For some reason people think that success is a bad thing.

And Rommey has been very very very successful
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-07-18 03:37:52 PM
If he was one of the ones who paid no tax at all then it would look very bad.

Romney may know what he is doing.
 
2012-07-18 03:38:32 PM

sweetmelissa31: Jackson Herring: Am I the only one who hates made up direct "quotes" in headlines, from either side of the aisle?

"Both sides make up quotes so vote for Romney" -Fartson Herring


"Jackson Herring is totally hot and has an above-average thingy" -sweetmelissa31
 
2012-07-18 03:40:45 PM

Jackson Herring: sweetmelissa31: Jackson Herring: Am I the only one who hates made up direct "quotes" in headlines, from either side of the aisle?

"Both sides make up quotes so vote for Romney" -Fartson Herring

"Jackson Herring is totally hot and has an above-average thingy" -sweetmelissa31


Bump uglies and have little Lenins already,
 
2012-07-18 03:42:14 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I can understand his worry. For some reason "people who live only inside my head think that success is a bad thing."

And Rommey has been very very very successful

 
2012-07-18 03:42:55 PM
Ugh, THAT'S NOT WHAT HE SAID!! He said that if he DID release them, the Dems would make hay out of it, one way or the other. He's essentially admitting he's f*cked no matter what he does, because it'll all be twisted and spun. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I'm not necessarily saying it's a bad thing in this case, though.

/Hell, the GOP would do the same if given the chance.
 
2012-07-18 03:43:34 PM

Jackson Herring: sweetmelissa31: Jackson Herring: Am I the only one who hates made up direct "quotes" in headlines, from either side of the aisle?

"Both sides make up quotes so vote for Romney" -Fartson Herring

"Jackson Herring is totally hot and has an above-average thingy" -sweetmelissa31


"Jackson Herring smells worse than Peach's butthole right after she took a dump and forgot to clean herself." -Mario the cat
 
2012-07-18 03:46:08 PM
My guess is that he not only paid zero taxes in some years, he also got million-dollar refunds in those years, while squirreling away millions more offshore. It's also possible that his returns would also show somehow that he indeed was not involved in the day to day operations of Bain and was only a do-nothing figurehead who got paid to stay out of the way.
 
2012-07-18 03:47:33 PM

xanadian: Ugh, THAT'S NOT WHAT HE SAID!! He said that if he DID release them, the Dems would make hay out of it, one way or the other. He's essentially admitting he's f*cked no matter what he does, because it'll all be twisted and spun. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I'm not necessarily saying it's a bad thing in this case, though.

/Hell, the GOP would do the same if given the chance.


But, if it is truly "benign", there wouldn't be anything to "twist".

Honestly, there is probably more there that would be damaging to certain voters in his own party (ie, the "reality" of what he's given to the Mormon Church, etc) than to swing voters.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-07-18 03:51:18 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I can understand his worry. For some reason people think that success is a bad thing.

And Rommey has been very very very successful


If you are successful at not paying taxes then yes, it's a bad thing.
 
2012-07-18 03:57:05 PM
Some people have expressed surprise that Romney is having such a hard time with these attacks. Here's what I think-

They didn't expect the attacks, because they truly didn't think they ever did anything wrong. These people ALWAYS put profit before job creation. They ALWAYS tried to hide as much money from the tax man as possible. They ALWAYS shipped money offshore. To them, these are perfect acceptable ways to act. I think the fact that most Americans are now making it clear that it is not an acceptable way to act is simply shocking to them.
 
2012-07-18 03:57:41 PM

Aarontology: bdub77: The funny thing is I don't even care if he does. His record at Bain and as Gov. of Mass. says everything there needs to be known about the man.

The fact that he's doing everything he can to avoid talking about his time as governor says a lot as well.

Namely, he's absolutely ashamed of what he did when he actually had political power.


He is not ashamed at all.

He has no shame.

He would not have been able to knowingly fark over thousands of people, raid pension funds and ship business overseas simply to fatten his own bottom line if he had an ounce of shame, compassion, humility or decency.

He feels, and probably rightly so, that releasing the info would fark him politically because it would expose even more proof of just what a soulless bastard he is.
 
2012-07-18 03:59:03 PM
He should just dump the tax returns on the media at 4:59PM on Friday so they media can go nuts on the weekend when no one is paying attention. Seriously, almost every political "scandal" like this in recent decades has occurred because the candidate didn't come clean. Even Obama found the long version of his birth certificate, despite the public already seeing the legal version, because the noise from the media and other nut jobs (cough ... Trump) was getting annoying. Just get it out there and move on. It is not even August, most of the general public will forget anything embarrassing by Election Day. He doesn't want to still be dealing with this in September.

What are the returns going to say that people aren't already speculating about? He off-shored many jobs as CEO of Bain? He didn't pay taxes or paid lower taxes than many Americans some years due to loopholes and a lower tax rate for investment income? He has much more money in overseas accounts than he has let on? These are all things that many suspect and probably wouldn't be a real surprise to many.

Now if it turns out that he didn't donate to his church, well that would probably piss off a few people.
 
2012-07-18 03:59:16 PM

Dinki: Some people have expressed surprise that Romney is having such a hard time with these attacks. Here's what I think-

They didn't expect the attacks, because they truly didn't think they ever did anything wrong. These people ALWAYS put profit before job creation. They ALWAYS tried to hide as much money from the tax man as possible. They ALWAYS shipped money offshore. To them, these are perfect acceptable ways to act. I think the fact that most Americans are now making it clear that it is not an acceptable way to act is simply shocking to them.


Yup.
 
2012-07-18 04:01:58 PM
George Romney released 12 years of tax returns when he ran for President in 1968. You'd think his son would be proud to follow his example.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-07-18 04:03:32 PM

Dinki: Some people have expressed surprise that Romney is having such a hard time with these attacks. Here's what I think-

They didn't expect the attacks, because they truly didn't think they ever did anything wrong. These people ALWAYS put profit before job creation. They ALWAYS tried to hide as much money from the tax man as possible. They ALWAYS shipped money offshore. To them, these are perfect acceptable ways to act. I think the fact that most Americans are now making it clear that it is not an acceptable way to act is simply shocking to them.


I doubt he even realizes that there are people who don't feel the same way.
 
2012-07-18 04:15:28 PM

Dinki: I think the fact that most Americans are now making it clear that it is not an acceptable way to act


I don't think this is necessarily true, unfortunately.
 
2012-07-18 04:17:32 PM
Duh. We're talking about the same person who will change his answer within 6 hours just to be popular with the group in front of him.
 
2012-07-18 04:28:12 PM

Lorelle: George Romney released 12 years of tax returns when he ran for President in 1968. You'd think his son would be proud to follow his example.


Mitt, like W and McCain, is trying to 'one up' his dad. Prove his better than his father.

All 3 fail.
 
2012-07-18 04:31:56 PM

Lorelle: George Romney released 12 years of tax returns when he ran for President in 1968. You'd think his son would be proud to follow his example.


Thing is there appears to be some questions about Mittens accumulation of wealth. Not necessarily legal, although valid, but ethical questions.

Dear old Dad didn't have these problems.
 
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