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2012-07-18 01:51:32 PM
11 votes:
While Obama was getting mellow, Romney was impersonating a police officer.

cameroncrazy1984: going so far as to report people for smoking pot on a beach.


The guy's an authoritarian. Whether it's assaulting the gay kid for looking gay, impersonating a police officer for a laugh, or harassing people in public for living their lives as they see fit to, you can count on one thing: Any move Romney makes will be a dick move.
2012-07-18 02:40:38 PM
6 votes:
And yet those who will be outraged still conveniently forget GWBs years of cocaine use.
2012-07-18 02:31:53 PM
6 votes:
I do not care if a President once used cocaine.

I just care if they are honest about it, and that they aren't currently using cocaine.

I do not care if a President once used pot, and I don't care if they are currently smoking pot.

We need to ask ourselves, "Is this a President I'd pass the bong too?".
2012-07-18 01:03:21 PM
5 votes:
Nothing gets people excited like hearing a Mormon lecture you about substances.
2012-07-18 12:56:27 PM
5 votes:
Why do conservatives act so mentally deficient? It turns out they may actually be mentally deficient. Check this shiat out:


Conservatives--particularly tough-on-crime, pro-military conservatives--have a more pronounced startle reflex, measured by eye-blink length after hearing a sudden loud noise. Furthermore, when showed threatening images--maggots in an open wound, a large spider on someone's face--conservatives displayed a greater galvanic skin response, caused by subliminal increases in sweat gland activity. These traits are linked to high activity in the amygdala, center of emotional processing and seat of the fear response. Liberals displayed these reactions as well--the fight-or-flight response is universal--but in conservatives, it was stronger, faster, and more pervasive. This also explains why liberals who are placed under stress, time pressure, or emotional duress are more likely to endorse conservative viewpoints they would not have otherwise espoused.

And then there are the liberals and the anterior cingulate cortex, or ACC. Its role in the brain is somewhat more complicated, but there is still general scientific consensus that it is involved in error detection and conflict monitoring, and ultimately cognitive control. Consider a 2007 work published in Nature Neuroscience, one of the earliest political neuroscience studies. The researchers hypothesized that liberals have more active ACCs, since they are more flexible and intellectually innovative, and more tolerant of uncertainty. Then they proved as much by having liberals and conservatives perform a classic test for conflict monitoring, of the sort that the ACC is thought to govern.

It's called a "Go-No-Go" task: Study subjects are put in a situation where they are required to quickly tap a keyboard when they see "M" on screen--and become habituated to doing so. But one fifth of the time, the screen instead flashes a "W," and respondents have to quickly change their behavior and not tap the keyboard. Liberals performed better at the task--they were less likely to commit a 'D'oh!' and tap the keyboard at the wrong time--and they also showed more anterior cingulate cortex activity when engaging in the corrective response. This study was subsequently replicated by another research team, using a Canadian sample, who also linked more brain firing in the task to egalitarianism, and less firing to right-wing authoritarianism.

It is not difficult to interpret this finding: Liberal's greater anterior cingulate cortex activity indicates their greater cognitive flexibility and willingness to update and change their beliefs and responses vis-a-vis changing cues and situations.
2012-07-18 03:19:15 PM
4 votes:
Which prison sentence is longer...possession of cocaine or SEC fraud?
2012-07-18 02:53:25 PM
4 votes:
This reminds me of Eminem on the movie 8 Mile where he trashes himself preemptively leaving the other guy with nothing to say. Obama knew this dirt would come out one day so he told all in his book. Now he can say "So? I was honest with the American people about this BEFORE I ran for president. Ancient news and there is nothing else to talk about."

So in short Obama has shared his past and left it up to us to decide. Rmoney won't share his past because "I'm simply not enthusiastic about giving them hundreds or thousands of more pages to pick through, distort and lie about and show all the ways I have avoided paying taxes,"
2012-07-18 03:44:39 PM
3 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: FTA:

"If Mitt Romney had a record he could defend, I don't think he'd have to resort to the gutter tactics that his advisors are pursuing," said Bill Burton, the senior adviser to the pro-Obama SuperPAC Priorities USA Action. "This campaign has been about issues"

Wow, he actually said that! I know it's not Obama's campaign team but just some clown from a superPAC, but that's a ridiculously delusional pot-calling-the-kettle-black comment. Holy shiat, I'm no more concerned about Obama's cocaine use than I am about the silly ass criticism of Romney's career, but wow.

This is another negative result of Citizen's united - so much money is in these campaigns that we're going to get about 10x the amount of pointless, lying, political bullshiat (from both sides) than we used to get. Sickening


Sickening? You spend most of your time around here pretending that CEO salaries are set by their market value and being dismissive of anyone in favor of regulation. People like you and their hero worship of the wealthy is why we have a court that believes its a violation of the speech of the wealthy if you tell them they can't drown everyone else out.
2012-07-18 03:19:24 PM
3 votes:
... Do they realize all Obama has to do is say "Yes. I have opened the book to my past, and admitted that I did these things in the past, opening myself to scrutiny and, yes, criticism. Why won't Romney do the same, and open his tax records up?" to completely turn this around on Romney?

I mean. Really?
2012-07-18 03:15:40 PM
3 votes:
After Iran-Contra, I thought the GOP was okay with cocaine. They used the CIA to sell it to Americans, after all, so there must be something righteous about it.

/unless Reagan was a RINO, too....
2012-07-18 01:04:59 PM
3 votes:

Aarontology: Nothing gets people excited like hearing a Mormon lecture you about substances.


Reportedly, Mitt is REALLY into lecturing about substances, going so far as to report people for smoking pot on a beach.
2012-07-18 06:16:33 PM
2 votes:

James F. Campbell: Actually, I was raised in a religious cult. My family converted to Jehovah's Witnesses when I was 5, but they left later. Though I long since became an atheist, it's been very hard to shake the strict religious attitudes they tried to brainwash me with. One of those attitudes was contempt for other people who aren't us -- and we're not the only social group who teaches that. (I also learned in Alice Miller's psychology books that contempt for others is usually the product of an abusive childhood, which I also had.) I bet I'm not the only one here who has ever looked down on others with contempt.

I've never "ratted someone out" because they used drugs. I'm liberal, and very broadly speaking, I believe that each person has a right to live as they wish, as long as they don't cause harm to others. I'm sorry for what I said earlier in the thread; it was wrong for me to assert that I'm better than you because I haven't used drugs.


Whoah. Just when you thought you've seen everything, an actual non-assholish apology/admission of wrong on the internet. Well said, sir.
2012-07-18 05:48:29 PM
2 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: If you're so concerned about obfuscating history, were you similarly concerned about Obama's reluctance to release the long form gift certificate?


You're kidding, right?

You really think that asking Romney for his tax returns is the same thing as asking for a long form birth certificate?

What the fark is wrong with your head? Are you not aware that every President in recent history has been asked for their tax history and provided it in ample amounts? Are you aware that only ONE President has ever been asked for their birth certificate to prove they're a citizen?

No... you're not kidding... and you sound like you know your team is going to lose. The desperation in your posts is palpable.
2012-07-18 05:29:35 PM
2 votes:
most American draft dodgers went to Canada. Mitt went to Paris.
2012-07-18 05:26:40 PM
2 votes:
Obama has nothing to hide. Unlike Mitt who doesn't want you looking at where his money is ,what it's doing and where it came from.
2012-07-18 04:50:36 PM
2 votes:

James F. Campbell: So forgive me for responding angrily when incendi goes around making stupid assumptions about people who don't do drugs.


the correct way to respond was clearly to make stupid assumptions about people who have tried drugs
2012-07-18 04:39:15 PM
2 votes:

James F. Campbell: balloot: The last two presidents of the US have admitted to doing so.

"It's okay because Bush did it" somehow just doesn't have the connotations I think you want it to have.

incendi: Not dooms, necessarily, but people will assume either
a) you're lying
b) you had a very sheltered childhood
c) you're part of some weird church
or d) you were that super uptight kid nobody liked who would rat people out.

How about "e) you didn't need drugs because you had sufficient intelligence and curiosity to keep you otherwise occupied"?


You obviously don't have sufficient intelligence and curiosity to read any of the extensive literature on drug usage in non-addict populations, specifically its relation to novelty seeking personality types and alleles of dopaminergic receptor genes did you?
2012-07-18 04:31:42 PM
2 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: there's few of us around to correct you and help you understand.


For that to be true you would need to be correct.
2012-07-18 03:40:36 PM
2 votes:
Dear GOP:

Your stuttering, gibbering, coke-and-booze-addled moron got a free pass on this, in spite of showing every sign of having been badly damaged by it. How can you not understand that you don't get to have it both ways.

Regards,
Reality
2012-07-18 03:39:42 PM
2 votes:

Snapper Carr: XyzzyBob: "This campaign has been about issues, the fact that Romney and his team have been so feckless in responding to completely fair questions about his record and positions demonstrate a weakness that I don't think most people would have expected."

This campaign has been about issues? Provably untrue. This campaign has been a character attack painted as a flaw countered by a character attack painted as a flaw... I haven't seen enough about issues aired from either side to fill a 30 minute sit-com timeslot.

Bain did business things... I don't care.
Romney is rich... I don't care.
Obama did cocaine... I don't care.

I want to see a vision for the future, and a plan to get there. I want to see an honest interpretation of the country's issues, and a series of steps for solving them.

I want to see a Presidential race, not a trivial, meaningless popularity contest...

//let me know when we get to the third week in November... I'll be hiding under my rock.

You have two center-right authoritarians running against each other (yeah, I know, Romney's been veering further right to try and shore up his base but I'm referring to his whole political history)- character and background is about the only thing that separates them.


Its all well and good to say Obama is too far to the right for your tastes, and everyone has a different idea of exactly where the center lies.

How do you figure its accurate to say that the two are in the same spot though?

War: It looks to me like Romney wants another a whole lot more than Obama.

Economy: Obama wants to raise taxes, if only a little, on the rich. Romney wants to cut them.
Obama seems to support long term slow-moving solutions to our deficit issues. Romeny talks of somehow balancing a budget (despite decreasing revenue). Romney claims he'll keep the 'important programs' that help the poor, but he must have a very different idea of what that means than I do if he is also going to balance the budget.

Social issues: I shouldn't even need to waste my time posting the difference between the two (And yes, I'd love to have a President further left than Obama from a social issues standpoint).

There isn't much an Obama add can say on the issues that watching him take stances over the last few years hasn't told us. The ball is firmly in Romney's court to specify his economic policy and compare and contrast from there.
2012-07-18 03:38:51 PM
2 votes:
Lord,

I'm not a praying soul. But please, oh lord, please, explain to me. Fill my mind with your wisdom. Why are jactards like Mitt Romney the ones who are born to money? And if it's your will that we live our lives of modest means, why are those jactards looked upon as Gods among men. To be envied. To be emulated.

Yes, I know JHC told us all about money being the root of all evil. About how it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter into heaven. But... you know... it would be just a tinge easier on us if you'd stop letting these assholes take charge.

You know, where is that divine retribution on the weak we keep hearing about? Where is the help for the struggling and the poor?

I realize religion comes down to believing in the unprovable, and asking proof of your existence negates the sincerity of my faith and some such. Put it would be nice for you to let us know who really is in charge every now and again.

--Skippy
2012-07-18 03:38:40 PM
2 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: Holy shiat, I'm no more concerned about Obama's cocaine use than I am about the silly ass criticism of Romney's career, but wow.


You're right, those two are exactly the same.

Oh my, you're just SO independent...
2012-07-18 03:37:21 PM
2 votes:
I don't entirely trust people who have never experimented with drugs. Buttoned down bores living quietly desperate lives.
2012-07-18 03:36:29 PM
2 votes:

Nadie_AZ: The GOP's strategy seems aimed at making him look weak and indecisive and powerless.


Somehow I don't think that strategy will work...

australianpolitics.com
2012-07-18 03:36:04 PM
2 votes:
Sure, I used cocaine twenty years ago when I was young. We talked about this in 2008 and just like in 2008 I think it was a foolish misstep of my youth.

Now let's talk about the fact that our pal Mitt over there is still dodging taxes with overseas accounts and is in part funding his campaign with money he earned by shutting down your dad's pension plan.

/ Mitt's campaign went off the rails even before McCain's did....
2012-07-18 03:32:55 PM
2 votes:

XyzzyBob: "This campaign has been about issues, the fact that Romney and his team have been so feckless in responding to completely fair questions about his record and positions demonstrate a weakness that I don't think most people would have expected."

This campaign has been about issues? Provably untrue. This campaign has been a character attack painted as a flaw countered by a character attack painted as a flaw... I haven't seen enough about issues aired from either side to fill a 30 minute sit-com timeslot.

Bain did business things... I don't care.
Romney is rich... I don't care.
Obama did cocaine... I don't care.

I want to see a vision for the future, and a plan to get there. I want to see an honest interpretation of the country's issues, and a series of steps for solving them.

I want to see a Presidential race, not a trivial, meaningless popularity contest...

//let me know when we get to the third week in November... I'll be hiding under my rock.


Frankly, I think Romney's business doing "business things" is very relevant. The Republican party's mantra is that the country should be run like a business; take one look at how Romney ran his business and tell me if you think that's how the country should be run.
2012-07-18 03:23:44 PM
2 votes:
Should such a serious issue be discussed in such an impersonal setting? Why not we just discuss this over a cup of coffee? It's not like we're in some pyramid scheme cult that would forbid us from such mundane, ordinary behavior as drinking a cup of coffee, right? Like, who'd fall for that load of horse shiat? As you were saying, about Obama once trying coke in the 80s?
2012-07-18 03:21:42 PM
2 votes:

randomjsa: vernonFL: I heard Obama also knew Rev. Wright

I know my doctor. In as much as I go see him occasionally and chat it up while he figures out what's wrong with me and if I meet him in public we talk.

I don't hang out with him for 20 years, let him perform my wedding, and baptize my children, and then pretend like I had no idea what kind of person he was.

I know my friends that I've had for years. I know precisely what kind of people they are. Apparently Obama can't say the same thing.


You do realize it's not 2008 anymore, right?
2012-07-18 03:20:40 PM
2 votes:

randomjsa: vernonFL: I heard Obama also knew Rev. Wright

I know my doctor. In as much as I go see him occasionally and chat it up while he figures out what's wrong with me and if I meet him in public we talk.

I don't hang out with him for 20 years, let him perform my wedding, and baptize my children, and then pretend like I had no idea what kind of person he was.

I know my friends that I've had for years. I know precisely what kind of people they are. Apparently Obama can't say the same thing.


emotibot.net

Willie Geist would like to remind the short bus riders in this thread that Obama wrote off Rev. Wright awhile back. And he didn't say "I retroactively revoke my time at that church." He just acted like a normal human being and told the guy he can't be part of his act.
2012-07-18 03:19:45 PM
2 votes:

randomjsa: vernonFL: I heard Obama also knew Rev. Wright

I know my doctor. In as much as I go see him occasionally and chat it up while he figures out what's wrong with me and if I meet him in public we talk.

I don't hang out with him for 20 years, let him perform my wedding, and baptize my children, and then pretend like I had no idea what kind of person he was.

I know my friends that I've had for years. I know precisely what kind of people they are. Apparently Obama can't say the same thing.



Why would you let your doctor perform at your wedding and baptize your children?
2012-07-18 03:16:25 PM
2 votes:
emotibot.net

Willie Geist would like to remind you right-wing assholes that YOU are the party of family values and draconian moral values. You are the party of needless chicken f*cking over shiat no one cares about. You are more likely to be doing bad things with corn holes and eight-balls than Democrats.
2012-07-18 01:02:00 PM
2 votes:
So their plan is to use sh*t that didn't stick in 2008? Yeah, good luck with that.
2012-07-18 06:08:36 PM
1 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: If you're so concerned about obfuscating history, were you similarly concerned about Obama's reluctance to release the long form gift certificate?


So it wasn't enough to hound the guy over his birth certificate, which no other President has ever had to provide. Now you want to see his gift certificates too? What's next?
2012-07-18 05:35:47 PM
1 votes:
Actually, I was raised in a religious cult. My family converted to Jehovah's Witnesses when I was 5, but they left later. Though I long since became an atheist, it's been very hard to shake the strict religious attitudes they tried to brainwash me with. One of those attitudes was contempt for other people who aren't us -- and we're not the only social group who teaches that. (I also learned in Alice Miller's psychology books that contempt for others is usually the product of an abusive childhood, which I also had.) I bet I'm not the only one here who has ever looked down on others with contempt.

I've never "ratted someone out" because they used drugs. I'm liberal, and very broadly speaking, I believe that each person has a right to live as they wish, as long as they don't cause harm to others. I'm sorry for what I said earlier in the thread; it was wrong for me to assert that I'm better than you because I haven't used drugs.
2012-07-18 05:30:45 PM
1 votes:
That blows. His campaign is off the rails. Read between the lines, Romney, its a bumpy ride and it will make you numb. It ain't over til the white lady sings. Sniff sniff.

/dare to think for yourself
2012-07-18 05:26:34 PM
1 votes:
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2012-07-18 05:10:34 PM
1 votes:

James F. Campbell:

How about "e) you didn't need drugs because you had sufficient intelligence and curiosity to keep you otherwise occupied"?


or F) you don't consider the intoxicants you have ingested to be drugs because of an arbitrary and goofy distinction

unless you've made it to this point in your life w/out having a beer, of course. in which case, it's your consciousness, you've got the right to do with it as you want - thing is, so does everybody else.
2012-07-18 05:07:07 PM
1 votes:

James F. Campbell: HeartBurnKid: So, in what universe does "That guy said made an ignorant and offensive generalization! I better make an ignorant and offensive generalization right back!" sound like a good idea?

But this is Fark. o_o


Maybe you should have remembered that before you got all butthurt.
2012-07-18 04:56:10 PM
1 votes:

James F. Campbell: Philip Francis Queeg: The super uptight part seems pretty spot on considering how upset you are about a non-specific post.

Again, it's a stupid assumption about people who don't do drugs. His message is clear: if you haven't done drugs, there must be something wrong with you. It's incredibly offensive.


So, in what universe does "That guy said made an ignorant and offensive generalization! I better make an ignorant and offensive generalization right back!" sound like a good idea?
2012-07-18 04:53:20 PM
1 votes:

James F. Campbell: lTigger: You obviously don't have sufficient intelligence and curiosity to read any of the extensive literature on drug usage in non-addict populations

It's not my field of work. Should I imply that you lack intelligence and curiosity because you're not a nuclear engineer?

Tigger: novelty seeking personality types

Also included in this group: psychopaths.


You're not very good at this so let me take it one by one.

First - no you shouldn't state that I lack intelligence and curiosity because I'm not a nuclear engineer. That would be the entire point I just made to you.

Second - considering you have a science background your attempt to subscribe qualities of a subgroup to the larger group of which it is a member are, frankly, embarrassing.

and finally - the problem remains not with you not taking drugs, it is with you claiming everyone that does or has lacks "intelligence and curiosity". Ironically you're not demonstrating a lot of that yourselv.
2012-07-18 04:52:23 PM
1 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: Explain to me how the "market value of CEO salaries" is determined in your mind. What is the "market value", of say, Jamie Dimon?


(-2.15) billion dollars.
2012-07-18 04:46:27 PM
1 votes:
I don't drink, don't smoke and don't do drugs. Never have, never will.

That being said this attack is so pants-on-the-head retarded I can't believe professional political operatives are running things for the GOP and Romney's campaign.

I personally don't care what you sucked, drank, snorted or injected in the past. As long as you aren't driving a car, flying a plane, performing surgery or wearing the uniform you can be as high or bombed as you want when you are at home and off the clock.

Watching Romney flail around like this is like the end of a chess game. Every time he tries a different tactic he moves into check.

Obama used drugs as a college kid?

Who cares, Romney tortured a class-mate because he thought he was gay and impersonated a cop to bully people he didn't like. (And if you didn't care about what went up W's nose you aren't allowed to suddenly care now that it's a black Democrat in the White House.) CHECK

Obama's reverend said mean things about America?

You really want to bring funky religions into this debate Mitt? CHECK

Obama didn't cause the recession but he's made it worse!

You sure you want to say that when all the data on unemployment and growth clearly shows you are lying? CHECK

Obamacare is EEEEEVVVIIIILLLLLL!!!

Isn't Obamacare pretty much the same plan as the one you championed in Massachusetts when you were Governor there for one term? The one with an individial mandate that they call Romneycare? CHECK

I have business experience as a venture capitalist?

Oh really? Was this when you took over healthy companies, borrowed heavily against their credit, charged these companies huge fees they could never repay and drove them into bankruptcy? While you're at it Mitt, let's have a look at your last 8-10 tax returns and see how successful you were and where your money went? CHECK

Obama is weak on defense and foregin policy!!

Really Mitt? "BinLadenDead.jpg" CHECK

Seriously, Romney has nowhere to go. He has no room to maneuver. it's like watching sideshow Bob in the field full of rakes. He can't talk about his experience as a governor because of Obamacare. He can't talk about his business brilliance because of vulture capitalism and tax returns. He can't do a debate on religion, character or even youthful indescretions because Romney is a toxic bully.

The funny part will be watcing this get worse and worse for Romney as the next three months roll along.
2012-07-18 04:41:00 PM
1 votes:

James F. Campbell: How about "e) you didn't need drugs because you had sufficient intelligence and curiosity to keep you otherwise occupied"?


That's fine, and maybe a plus, if you can express that in a way that doesn't tend to alienate people. But the "people who have never smoked pot, not even once" subset of the population is getting mighty small these days, so the assumption, especially as you get towards the younger sets, is going to be that you're either lying or weird.
2012-07-18 04:40:45 PM
1 votes:

James F. Campbell: But I personally resent being looked down on because I haven't done drugs.


Can I look down on you because you say shiat like this?

James F. Campbell: How about "e) you didn't need drugs because you had sufficient intelligence and curiosity to keep you otherwise occupied"?

2012-07-18 04:39:59 PM
1 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: If you're so concerned about obfuscating history, were you similarly concerned about Obama's reluctance to release the long form gift certificate? No? Of course not because it was bullshiat.


Of course, Obama's refusal to release a document that had never been asked of any other presidential candidate ever was exactly the same as Romney's refusal to release documents that every presidential candidate in the past half-century, including Romney's father, has released.
2012-07-18 04:38:38 PM
1 votes:

moralpanic: What would you know about drugs if you have never done it?


Well, I've met people who tried drugs and were fine, people who did drugs on a regular basis and were functional, and people who did drugs and were completely incapable of dealing with regular life. If you want to do drugs, that's fine. I'm for legalization, Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do, etc., etc.

But I personally resent being looked down on because I haven't done drugs.
2012-07-18 04:35:32 PM
1 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: Because idiots like the guy in TFA will pore over them and cherry pick items out of context to put in ads that you dopes will fall for.


Is Romney unique amongst modern Presidential candidates in this regard? Why hasn't that fear stopped anyone else?
2012-07-18 04:35:07 PM
1 votes:

James F. Campbell:
How about "e) you didn't need drugs because you had sufficient intelligence and curiosity to keep you otherwise occupied"?


What would you know about drugs if you have never done it?
2012-07-18 04:34:24 PM
1 votes:

James F. Campbell: "e) you didn't need drugs because you had sufficient intelligence and curiosity to keep you otherwise occupied"?


haha jesus christ, what are you 12?
2012-07-18 04:25:33 PM
1 votes:

Magorn: doyner: And yet those who will be outraged still conveniently forget GWBs years of cocaine use.

Friend of mine who was a mildly famous punk rocker used to tell hilarious stories of being woken up by his neighbor George W. Bush in the middle of the night whenever Bush was desperate for a coke hook-up. No matter how many times the guy tried, he just could not make Bush understtand the concept of what a "Straight-edge" punk was and why it meant that no, no he really wouldn't "know a guy he could call"


your friend sucks
2012-07-18 04:25:31 PM
1 votes:
It appears that Gov. Romney has painted himself into a corner. If Gov. Romney releases the returns before the convention it may make a floor fight more likely. If Gov. Romney releases the returns after the convention than it may be panned as timed to avoid a floor fight. Either way Gov. Romney may be painted as week for caving into demands that he release the returns. If there is nothing on the returns that can be construed as objectionable than Gov. Romney will be panned as being a fool. It there are things on the returns that can be construed as objectionable than the longer he waits the more objectionable they will become.

/If Gov. Romney loses the race to Pres. Obama than the GOP,especially in the south, will blame the LDS.
//It may be ideologically impossible for GOP to blame perceptions of Gov. Ronmey's business record for the loss.
///How on earth did a businessman from Mass. get the gig of running 2002 Olympics in Salt Lake? It is not like this businessman had any experience running any sporting events. Couldn't be nepotism based upon creed, could it?
2012-07-18 04:20:02 PM
1 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: Dude, of course CEO salaries are set by their market value. It's what they receive in the market!


So you don't understand what market forces are and how they operate. Got it. I'd accept this level of ignorance out of you if I and a dozen other people hadn't explained how CEO salaries are set a dozen times in a dozen threads and watched you conveniently skip the posts or leave.

Debeo Summa Credo: I've voted for Clinton, gore, Kerry and Obama


Sure you have. You spend 99% of your time in this forum talking one way and the remaining 1% tacking the economic equivalent of "I'm not a racist but" onto your posts.
2012-07-18 04:19:09 PM
1 votes:
So essentially a repeat of 2008? Good idea since it worked out so great last time around... Soon enough Romney will be ending all his sentences with "My Friends".

*/Are there penalties for throwing the game in politics?
2012-07-18 04:16:47 PM
1 votes:

regindyn: When I run for President in 2020 it's going to be my LACK of illegal substance use that dooms me?


Not dooms, necessarily, but people will assume either
a) you're lying
b) you had a very sheltered childhood
c) you're part of some weird church
or d) you were that super uptight kid nobody liked who would rat people out.

That's definitely overcome-able, but it hurts if you actually were a sheltered child part of some weird church who was super uptight and would rat people out. That could definitely damage a campaign, especially if you're rich and privileged and tend to walk about with an air of moral superiority, too.
2012-07-18 04:15:33 PM
1 votes:

omnibus_necanda_sunt: Why do conservatives act so mentally deficient? It turns out they may actually be mentally deficient. Check this shiat out:


That doesn't necessarily mean that conservatives are stupid. They just react poorly (or, more poorly) to change.

BIG SURPRISE
2012-07-18 04:07:43 PM
1 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: un4gvn666: Debeo Summa Credo: Holy shiat, I'm no more concerned about Obama's cocaine use than I am about the silly ass criticism of Romney's career, but wow.

You're right, those two are exactly the same.

Oh my, you're just SO independent...

Well, they're both pretty silly, by if you're looking for differences what Romney did was technically legal while Obama's cocaine possession was not.


Did you deliberately ignore the points made regarding how one candidate ran citing his business experience as the reason he should be president, or are you just really really bad at reading?
2012-07-18 04:05:46 PM
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Debeo Summa Credo: Well, they're both pretty silly, by if you're looking for differences what Romney did was technically legal while Obama's cocaine possession was not.


Animal cruelty is illegal. Mitt strapping his dog to the car roof is just as relevant as Obama's cocaine use.
2012-07-18 04:03:01 PM
1 votes:
Um most of Rmoney's base has or still does coke
2012-07-18 04:02:59 PM
1 votes:

randomjsa: vernonFL: I heard Obama also knew Rev. Wright

I know my doctor. In as much as I go see him occasionally and chat it up while he figures out what's wrong with me and if I meet him in public we talk.

I don't hang out with him for 20 years, let him perform my wedding, and baptize my children, and then pretend like I had no idea what kind of person he was.

I know my friends that I've had for years. I know precisely what kind of people they are. Apparently Obama can't say the same thing.


Please, bring up the shiat that didn't work last time. I'm sure you just didn't say it with the correct inflection.

And please bring up a racist church leader - I'm sure Romney will be pleased to point out that his church has never* been racist.

*retroactively
2012-07-18 04:02:36 PM
1 votes:

quizzical: Corvus: Here is the problem with your "Obama is a scary person" 2008 types of attacks. OBAMA has already been president for 4 years!! Everyone already knows him pretty well and they think of him as "cool" and "the adult in the room". You trying to redefine him at this point is only going to fail.

Between this and the "no experience" lines of attack, Romney's campaign seems pretty insistent on ignoring the fact Obama has been President for four years.


Perhaps they're counting on Obama to "retroactively retire" from the presidency in 2008. Then he'd totally be inexperienced again!
2012-07-18 03:57:36 PM
1 votes:

Corvus: Here is the problem with your "Obama is a scary person" 2008 types of attacks. OBAMA has already been president for 4 years!! Everyone already knows him pretty well and they think of him as "cool" and "the adult in the room". You trying to redefine him at this point is only going to fail.


Between this and the "no experience" lines of attack, Romney's campaign seems pretty insistent on ignoring the fact Obama has been President for four years.
2012-07-18 03:55:32 PM
1 votes:
This kind of attack will further convince those who were not going to vote for Obama under any circumstance not to vote for Obama. And it will have absolutely no effect on those who were planning on voting for Obama in any case. The questions is, how will it affect those who haven't made up their minds one way or the other and the answer is, not very much, except possibly to backfire on Romney. Consider the following exchanges at a debate:

President Obama, did you snort coke when you were a teenager?
Yes, I did. I deeply regret it now, but I was young and stupid at the time.

vs.

Governor Romney, did you lie when you said you had broken all ties with Bain Capital in 1999, even though SEC filings from 2002 indicate you were sole shareholder and CEO?
I refuse to answer on the ground I might tend to incriminate myself.

Let's talk about your recent financial transgressions and borderline criminal tax filings. No, I'd rather talk about your youthful indiscretions from 25 years ago. Which will be of greater interest to the genuinely undecided voter?
2012-07-18 03:42:59 PM
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Debeo Summa Credo: but that's a ridiculously delusional pot-calling-the-kettle-black comment


Not really. Romney is campaigning on his experience as a businessman. Therefore, it is perfectly relevant to attack his record as a businessman.

Obama has never campaigned on his anti-drug policies, so it's not really relevant that he did coke as a teenager.

And closing down companies in the US and shipping those jobs overseas is hardly a 'silly criticism,' unless you don't think unemployment is a big deal.
2012-07-18 03:38:36 PM
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Debeo Summa Credo: FTA:

"If Mitt Romney had a record he could defend, I don't think he'd have to resort to the gutter tactics that his advisors are pursuing," said Bill Burton, the senior adviser to the pro-Obama SuperPAC Priorities USA Action. "This campaign has been about issues"

Wow, he actually said that! I know it's not Obama's campaign team but just some clown from a superPAC, but that's a ridiculously delusional pot-calling-the-kettle-black comment. Holy shiat, I'm no more concerned about Obama's cocaine use than I am about the silly ass criticism of Romney's career, but wow.

This is another negative result of Citizen's united - so much money is in these campaigns that we're going to get about 10x the amount of pointless, lying, political bullshiat (from both sides) than we used to get. Sickening


Boring.

Say something hilariously wrong about economics instead.
2012-07-18 03:36:41 PM
1 votes:
Obama's possible response: "Whatever. At least I'm brave enough to admit it. How are those tax returns coming Mr. Romney?"
2012-07-18 03:36:19 PM
1 votes:

Does Romney really want to open up the "Look what he did back in his school days door!?!?!



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The guy who gay bashed a kid and held him down (while he cried for help) and shaved his head?

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The guy who impersonated a police officer and harassed people just for fun?

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Using the same attack that didn't stick in 2008 ?

/wow
//Romney is toast.
2012-07-18 03:35:38 PM
1 votes:
Republican propaganda says to druggies: Obama hates your way of life. Republican propaganda says to anti-druggies: Obama hates your way of life. Republican propaganda says to ______ : Obama hates your way of life.
2012-07-18 03:32:14 PM
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XyzzyBob: "This campaign has been about issues, the fact that Romney and his team have been so feckless in responding to completely fair questions about his record and positions demonstrate a weakness that I don't think most people would have expected."

This campaign has been about issues? Provably untrue. This campaign has been a character attack painted as a flaw countered by a character attack painted as a flaw... I haven't seen enough about issues aired from either side to fill a 30 minute sit-com timeslot.

Bain did business things... I don't care.
Romney is rich... I don't care.
Obama did cocaine... I don't care.

I want to see a vision for the future, and a plan to get there. I want to see an honest interpretation of the country's issues, and a series of steps for solving them.

I want to see a Presidential race, not a trivial, meaningless popularity contest...

//let me know when we get to the third week in November... I'll be hiding under my rock.


And I want to see Michelle Obama and Sarah Palin in bikinis Jello wrestling.
2012-07-18 03:31:33 PM
1 votes:
What it seems to me the problem Romney is having is he is brainstorming with nut ball Republicans. He should be brain storming with independents. The Tea Party Derp is going to fall flat.
2012-07-18 03:30:39 PM
1 votes:
I bet Obama is one of those super annoying cokeheads that constantly talks about himself.

*snarf* I'm the first black President
*snarf* I met Jay Z and Oprah
*snarf* I got the nuclear football

etc...
2012-07-18 03:30:02 PM
1 votes:
Here is the problem with your "Obama is a scary person" 2008 types of attacks. OBAMA has already been president for 4 years!! Everyone already knows him pretty well and they think of him as "cool" and "the adult in the room". You trying to redefine him at this point is only going to fail.
2012-07-18 03:28:18 PM
1 votes:
"This campaign has been about issues, the fact that Romney and his team have been so feckless in responding to completely fair questions about his record and positions demonstrate a weakness that I don't think most people would have expected."

This campaign has been about issues? Provably untrue. This campaign has been a character attack painted as a flaw countered by a character attack painted as a flaw... I haven't seen enough about issues aired from either side to fill a 30 minute sit-com timeslot.

Bain did business things... I don't care.
Romney is rich... I don't care.
Obama did cocaine... I don't care.

I want to see a vision for the future, and a plan to get there. I want to see an honest interpretation of the country's issues, and a series of steps for solving them.

I want to see a Presidential race, not a trivial, meaningless popularity contest...

//let me know when we get to the third week in November... I'll be hiding under my rock.
2012-07-18 03:27:50 PM
1 votes:
Tactically speaking, I don't think Romney is a terribly smart person.
2012-07-18 03:27:05 PM
1 votes:

Lando Lincoln: Yes, let's talk about that.

Obama admitted to doing cocaine when he was in his early 20's or in his teen years. I can't remember which right now.

And...what? What else would you like to add to that?


So, the president has done something most Americans do in college? One of US! One of US! One of US! Unlike that magic underwear wearing dude who won't even drink a cup of coffee and is not even a Christian Mitt Romney.
2012-07-18 03:26:58 PM
1 votes:

meat0918: We need to ask ourselves, "Is this a President I'd pass the bong too?".


Obama was a bogart (there was a thread a while back on this)
2012-07-18 03:19:50 PM
1 votes:

doyner: And yet those who will be outraged still conveniently forget GWBs years of cocaine use.


Conveniently forgetting about GWB has been part of the Republican platform since 2008.
2012-07-18 03:00:50 PM
1 votes:
Obama tried cocaine? I didn't know that.

I heard Obama also knew Rev. Wright, and Bill Ayers, and he's from Chicago, and he went to school at a madrassa in Indonesia, and his dad was from Africa.

Once all THAT info becomes public, Obama will be done for!
2012-07-18 02:43:04 PM
1 votes:
farking love cocaine

Too bad it is too farking short of duration
2012-07-18 02:32:10 PM
1 votes:
The GOP's strategy seems aimed at making him look weak and indecisive and powerless. This will work on those in the Deep South and maybe parts of the West, but it isn't going to fly with the rest of the nation (for the most part). People have seen what he has done and his actions have proven their words hallow.

Romney, by action and word, has shown himself weak, inept, unorganized, lacking any kind of charisma, confused, contradictory and basically everything that shows everyone that he is a weak leader. Obama's team and the primaries have exposed this so well that he's left with 'b-b-b-b-b-but Obama and media' claims. He's left clinging to his old mormon view of being persecuting in perpetuity.

Having said all that, I'm still not sold that most of America is seeing this. The absolute blitzkrieg of monies this election year is going to cloud a lot of minds.
2012-07-18 02:29:17 PM
1 votes:
Yes, let's talk about that.

Obama admitted to doing cocaine when he was in his early 20's or in his teen years. I can't remember which right now.

And...what? What else would you like to add to that?
2012-07-18 02:04:37 PM
1 votes:
"W-T-F," one top Democrat emailed BuzzFeed. "This is insane. Do they even know what they're doing anymore?"

Kinda like this, intellectually.
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2012-07-18 01:24:30 PM
1 votes:

omnibus_necanda_sunt: Why do conservatives act so mentally deficient? It turns out they may actually be mentally deficient. Check this shiat out:


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2012-07-18 01:23:10 PM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Reportedly, Mitt is REALLY into lecturing about substances, going so far as to report people for smoking pot on a beach.


The funny thing is that now in a lot of states the cops would laugh and say it's not worth their time to come out and write a ticket for people who wouldn't even be there when they showed up.
2012-07-18 01:17:06 PM
1 votes:
I've done 'maybe a little blow' in my stupider days too, so this will totally make me vote for you, Mitt.
2012-07-18 01:10:42 PM
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cameroncrazy1984: Reportedly, Mitt is REALLY into lecturing about substances, going so far as to report people for smoking pot on a beach.


Reporting? Or dressing like a cop and going down there with a nightstick? Just asking questions.
 
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