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(970 WFLA)   After Rush Limbaugh accuses liberals of creating Bane as an attack against Romney, one of Bane's co-creators comes out to clarify that no, they're exactly the opposite of liberals (interview at 3:15)   (schnittshow.com) divider line 146
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2012-07-18 01:51:55 PM
beta_plus: Rush is getting ridiculous on this one. For crying out loud, The Dark Knight was a defense of the Bush's War on Terror.

The one thing that gives me pause is when, in the Dark Knight, Batman prevents Dent from torturing the thug. Batman understands he's a vigialante. But were he to allow his tactics to infect our legitimate public servants, any hope of rooting out institutionalized corruption would be lost. It's also why he didn't want the copycats.

To me, it's a repudiation of Bush's wars and all their trappings.
 
2012-07-18 01:52:27 PM
Aarontology: Republicans just don't believe in linear time, do they?

It's more of a wibbly-wobbly herpy-derpy ball of... stuff.
 
2012-07-18 01:53:18 PM
FlashHarry: palladiate: I always thought Bane as a leftist anarchist. He empowered the dispossessed, wanted to break the wealthy, and take down the police state. Bane would have targeted Bain for destruction.

that's pretty much what dixon said. and he said romney is more like batman - a delusional, secluded billionaire.


Can a dog carrier fit on top of the batmobile?
 
2012-07-18 01:54:41 PM
Rann Xerox: FlashHarry: palladiate: I always thought Bane as a leftist anarchist. He empowered the dispossessed, wanted to break the wealthy, and take down the police state. Bane would have targeted Bain for destruction.

that's pretty much what dixon said. and he said romney is more like batman - a delusional, secluded billionaire.

Can a dog carrier fit on top of the batmobile?


media.comicvine.com
 
2012-07-18 01:55:16 PM
Diogenes: beta_plus: Rush is getting ridiculous on this one. For crying out loud, The Dark Knight was a defense of the Bush's War on Terror.

The one thing that gives me pause is when, in the Dark Knight, Batman prevents Dent from torturing the thug. Batman understands he's a vigialante. But were he to allow his tactics to infect our legitimate public servants, any hope of rooting out institutionalized corruption would be lost. It's also why he didn't want the copycats.

To me, it's a repudiation refudiation of Bush's wars and all their trappings.


Sorry, pet peeve.
 
2012-07-18 01:56:18 PM
Republicans are such experts on space and time that they think that IF Stephen Hawking were born in England, that he would have been dead by now because of their terrible health system over there.

Also, how else do you explain Romney's having 2 completely opposite opinions on every issue? He is both for gay marriage and against it, pro choice and pro life, etc...

Romney is an expert at quantum physics and is demonstrating the schrodinger's cat paradox.
 
2012-07-18 01:58:24 PM
Diogenes: beta_plus: Rush is getting ridiculous on this one. For crying out loud, The Dark Knight was a defense of the Bush's War on Terror.

The one thing that gives me pause is when, in the Dark Knight, Batman prevents Dent from torturing the thug. Batman understands he's a vigialante. But were he to allow his tactics to infect our legitimate public servants, any hope of rooting out institutionalized corruption would be lost. It's also why he didn't want the copycats.

To me, it's a repudiation of Bush's wars and all their trappings.


perhaps it was a defense of the War on Terror, but that was the objectionable part- that the "noble" cause should be purely noble.

Then again, torture is ok if Batman does it (thinking of the leg breaking of the mobster scene), so IOKIYTGDB?
 
2012-07-18 01:58:33 PM
jigger: That time machine you have, Obama? You didn't build that.

well...that's a...website.
 
2012-07-18 01:58:57 PM
vernonFL: Republicans are such experts on space and time that they think that IF Stephen Hawking were born in England, that he would have been dead by now because of their terrible health system over there.

Also, how else do you explain Romney's having 2 completely opposite opinions on every issue? He is both for gay marriage and against it, pro choice and pro life, etc...

Romney is an expert at quantum physics and is demonstrating the schrodinger's cat paradox.


Well. Romney does believe himself to be deserving, nay, destined to rule the country. In his mind, he is...

The Master.

/Limbaugh would be a fat, incompetent Dalek. Full of hate for EVERYTHING that is different...
 
2012-07-18 01:59:16 PM
Wayne 985: JerseyTim: Also, within the context of the movie, Dixon said the comparison between Bane and Romney does not make sense. "My understanding is that Bane is more of an Occupy Wall Street type. Romney is more like Bruce Wayne."

See, this is the craziest part of Limbaugh's comments. The Dark Knight was essentially an allegory for the War on Terror with Batman playing the role of George W. Bush. He was the president we deserve, not the one we need right now. It's no coincidence that The Dark Knight Rises takes place eight years later.

I'll take Chris Nolan's word over yours.


What had Chris Nolan said about it?

I mean, I hate to call him a liar, but, if he said that none of the themes in Dark Knight had anything to do with the Bush administration or the War on Terror, I'm going to call him a liar.
 
2012-07-18 02:00:24 PM
jcb274: IOKIYTGDB

I want that on a T-shirt.
 
2012-07-18 02:03:20 PM
NateGrey: Rush is pretty hilarious right now.

Said Obama was snorting coke and learning to be a Marxist.


Cocaine is elitist.

REAL Americans crush and snort OxyContin.
 
2012-07-18 02:04:11 PM
Imagine that; Rush just makes things up and reports them as facts.

//this is news?
 
2012-07-18 02:04:29 PM
they're exactly the opposite of liberals

The key to success is: Write about what you know.
 
2012-07-18 02:07:26 PM
JerseyTim: See, this is the craziest part of Limbaugh's comments. The Dark Knight was essentially an allegory for the War on Terror with Batman playing the role of George W. Bush. He was the president we deserve, not the one we need right now. It's no coincidence that The Dark Knight Rises takes place eight years later.


If ever there was a reason to use this, it is this post.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-18 02:08:22 PM
HighOnCraic: AdolfOliverPanties: Sure...the character was created 20 years ago, but the decision by Christopher Nolan and the studio to use Bane in the film was made much more recently.

I would not be surprised at all if Limbaugh and his dittoidiots use that as the response to the "Bane was created 20 years ago" message.

And I guess the decision to use Bane in 1997's "Batman and Robin" was made because. . . Damn, I'm having trouble squeezing that into the conspiracy. I give up.


Um...because the 2002 winter olympics are chosen years in advance, and Romney, current owner of Bain wanted Utah to host the winter olympics?
 
2012-07-18 02:08:40 PM
Clearly someone needs to make a Mitt Romney skin for the Batman Arkham City game.
 
2012-07-18 02:09:47 PM
beta_plus: Rush is getting ridiculous on this one. For crying out loud, The Dark Knight was a defense of the Bush's War on Terror..

Again...

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-18 02:09:56 PM
jcb274: perhaps it was a defense of the War on Terror,

I think it was overall more of a criticism, both because of Batman's response to Harvey Dent's use of torture, and because Fox characterize's Batman's electronic surveillance system as "illegal, unethical, and immoral." He goes ahead and uses it, but only on the assurance it will never be used again--which of course has not happened to Bush's electronic surveillance system. The argument, if anything, was "these methods are not legitimate. They're okay for action movie heroes, but they're not okay in real life."
 
2012-07-18 02:10:14 PM
"Graham and I are both staunch conservatives, so from our angle, there's no liberal agenda. I'm a life-long right-wing extremist."

1. I wonder how this guy can still be a right wing conservative after seeing all of the recent HerpaDerpage going on? I'd rather be known as a "Furry" than a conservative.

2. How many times will he be called a RINO by other drooling pinheads because he dared to correct St. Rushbo?
 
2012-07-18 02:12:02 PM
NateGrey: Rush is pretty hilarious right now.

Said Obama was snorting coke and learning to be a Marxist.


Rather that than snorting Oxys and farking young boys.
 
2012-07-18 02:13:49 PM
Rush Limbaugh responds to all this nonsense.
(new window, not that you'll really bother).
 
2012-07-18 02:14:55 PM
TV's Vinnie: "Graham and I are both staunch conservatives, so from our angle, there's no liberal agenda. I'm a life-long right-wing extremist."

1. I wonder how this guy can still be a right wing conservative after seeing all of the recent HerpaDerpage going on? I'd rather be known as a "Furry" than a conservative.

2. How many times will he be called a RINO by other drooling pinheads because he dared to correct St. Rushbo?


What's comical is that Rush is probably sort of right, but he has the causation reversed. "Bane" isn't the villain of Batman to reinforce Bain Capital as something bad in voters' minds. Rather, Obama chose this week to launch its Bain Capital offensive hoping for pop-culture associations between Bain and Bane. If so, it has worked brilliantly--and Rush Limbaugh has actually helped Obama out more than he knows.
 
2012-07-18 02:14:59 PM
img411.imageshack.us

/quik n dirtay
 
2012-07-18 02:15:14 PM
FirstNationalBastard: As long as Chuck Dixon doesn't go all wingnut in his writing, he's a decent comic book writer.

why DOES comic book writing seem to attract so many right-wingers like Frank Miller, Todd Mcfarland, Dixon and Graham, and at least after his divorce, Dave Sims?
 
2012-07-18 02:16:09 PM
BojanglesPaladin: JerseyTim: See, this is the craziest part of Limbaugh's comments. The Dark Knight was essentially an allegory for the War on Terror with Batman playing the role of George W. Bush. He was the president we deserve, not the one we need right now. It's no coincidence that The Dark Knight Rises takes place eight years later.


If ever there was a reason to use this, it is this post.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x224]


Actually, this is one posited by MANY reviewers of both TDK and TDKR. But I know, liberal conspiracy, liberal bias in the media, liberal, liberal, liberal. Can't be trusted. But ask yourself, when Batman uses the sonar / phone device in TDK, isn't that exactly like something out of the Patriot Act? Wasn't the hesitation from Lucius Fox in parallel to our collective "Well, shiat, I dunno, spying on citizens in one hand, bad terrorists on the other"? Dude, if you let your partisan hack shillery down from that tree house for one damn minute.... you'd see that you were the one who needs the joker meme graphic.
 
2012-07-18 02:16:33 PM
Erix: If TDKR was planned to bring down Romney, that means they were planning on him winning the primary. However, since they obviously started filming well before the primaries were over, TDKR was probably just one prong of a complex attack on all potential primary winners.

My question is, which other movies are out there that would have been good attacks on other potential winners?

Is the Lizard in The Amazing Spider-Man a thinly veiled jab at Newt?

Was Snow White and the Huntsman made to boost liberal favorite Jon Hunstman?

Is Total Recall an attempt to re-energize the voters after the failed recall in Wisconsin?



Ice Age: Continental Drift was clearly an attack on Bachmann who thinks the world is only 6000 years old.
 
2012-07-18 02:17:05 PM
DeltaPunch:

/quik n dirtay


Full of win. I really hope I see that all over the web in the next few days.
 
2012-07-18 02:17:12 PM
BojanglesPaladin: JerseyTim: See, this is the craziest part of Limbaugh's comments. The Dark Knight was essentially an allegory for the War on Terror with Batman playing the role of George W. Bush. He was the president we deserve, not the one we need right now. It's no coincidence that The Dark Knight Rises takes place eight years later.

If ever there was a reason to use this, it is this post.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x224]


BojanglesPaladin: beta_plus: Rush is getting ridiculous on this one. For crying out loud, The Dark Knight was a defense of the Bush's War on Terror..

Again...

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x224]


Are you permanently out of touch, or is your memory/Google-fu that shiatty?

It does not take a lot of imagination to see the new Batman movie that is setting box office records, "The Dark Knight", as something of a commentary on the war on terror.

It's a subject that is already getting quite a bit of traction in the blogosphere, such as here, here, and here.

The Joker - who is particularly maniacal and nihilistic in this version of the Batman story - is an Osama Bin Laden-style terrorist. He not only engages in mass carnage, he aims to damage a free society by instilling fear in the public.

The Gotham City Police Department is conventional law enforcement.

And Batman is something else: a darker response to the terrorist threat. He sets up a form of domestic surveillance, using people's cell phones. He uses torture to uncover the details of an ongoing plot.
 
2012-07-18 02:17:21 PM
DeltaPunch: [img411.imageshack.us image 640x416]

/quik n dirtay


+1 Quick and delicious.

I am collecting the Romney / Bane and Romney / Two-face image URLs and loading them into HootSuite to barrage Facebook all day every day over the next week.
 
2012-07-18 02:17:56 PM
As for the mainstream media's attempt to usurp the character, Dixon said, "It's ridiculous. Obviously Bane was not created as an attack on Mitt Romney. We never heard of Romney twenty years ago."

Nice. So are republicans finally admitting that Rush is mainstream media or is this some sort of goofy conservative attempt at blaming this stupidity on the "Mainstream MSM liberal media"?
 
2012-07-18 02:18:39 PM
You know, if it was only Dixon that spoke up, Obama's "Bane/Bain" angle could have fizzled overnight. From what I'm reading, the movie doesn't look too hot either.

But no! Thanks to RushBo shooting his big jowlies off about some sort of leftwing agenda in the movie, the bloated dipsh*t just turbocharged the impact of the attack and gave it wings.

Nice going there, fat boy.
 
2012-07-18 02:18:49 PM
Solchie: DeltaPunch:

/quik n dirtay

Full of win. I really hope I see that all over the web in the next few days.


just need some captions, like "my stance on gay marriage? lemme flip this coin..."

or something like that.

/no good with the funniez
 
2012-07-18 02:20:38 PM
Rush wants to see the mortgage records for Obama's house and hospital records from when Michelle worked there.

Da fuq?

Republicans are morons.
 
2012-07-18 02:24:20 PM
NateGrey: Rush wants to see the mortgage records for Obama's house and hospital records from when Michelle worked there.

Da fuq?

Republicans are morons.


I would really be interested in seeing the Madrassa attendance records of Barack Hussein Obama. And for that matter, I want to see the lunch menu records for the exact days Obama WAS there. I want to know exactly how many pounds of dog meat Obama actually consumed by comparing the lunch menu records with local kennel invoices sent to that madrassa.
 
2012-07-18 02:24:28 PM
qorkfiend: jigger: That time machine you have, Obama? You didn't build that.

o_O


Hilariously, most/all of the things shown were not in fact built by the people they're attributed to.

Ford didn't build the Model T. Edison did not invent the light bulb, etc.

/ Self-pwnage is hard
//they make it look easy
 
2012-07-18 02:26:22 PM
Jodeo: Rush Limbaugh responds to all this nonsense.
(new window, not that you'll really bother).


"World on Fire Over Batman and El Rushbo"

Yes, the entire world is talking about you.

What a sad, sad little man. Classic case of inflating one's ego to compensate for terrible self-esteem.

You know he hates looking at himself in the mirror.

I never said that the villain was created by the comic book character creator to be part of the 2012 campaign. I never said that at all. Everybody's out there running around saying I got this giant conspiracy theory that the Batman people, the creators, the comic book creators, created this thing to campaign against Romney. I never said that. I didn't say there was a conspiracy. I said the Democrats were going to use it, which they are.

He makes sure to talk specifically about the comic, rather than the movie. Must be due to the fact that he DID say exactly that about the movie.

RUSH LIMBAUGH: Have you heard, this new movie, the Batman movie -- what is it, the Dark Knight Lights Up or something? Whatever the name of it is. That's right, Dark Knight Rises, Lights Up, same thing. Do you know the name of the villain in this movie? Bane. The villain in the Dark Knight Rises is named Bane. B-A-N-E. What is the name of the venture capital firm that Romney ran, and around which there's now this make-believe controversy? Bain. The movie has been in the works for a long time, the release date's been known, summer 2012 for a long time. Do you think that it is accidental, that the name of the really vicious, fire-breathing, four-eyed, whatever-it-is villain in this movie is named Bane?

[...]

LIMBAUGH: Anyway, so this evil villain in the new Batman movie is named Bane. And there's now discussion out there as to whether or not this was purposeful, and whether or not it will influence voters. It's going to have a lot of people. This movie, the audience is going to be huge, lot of people are going to see the movie. And it's a lot of brain-dead people, entertainment, the pop culture crowd. And they're going to hear "Bane" in the movie, and they are going to associate Bain. And the thought is that when they start paying attention to the campaign later in the year, and Obama and the Democrats keep talking about Bain, not Bain Capital, but Bain, Romney and Bain, that these people will think back to the Batman movie --"Oh yeah, I know who that is." There are some people who think it will work. There are some people think it will work. Others think -- "You're really underestimating the American people who think that will work."
 
2012-07-18 02:28:36 PM
Aarontology: Republicans just don't believe in linear time, do they?

Ha!

Isn't there a list of things that conservatives are at war with? It includes Soros, Planed Parrenthood, Bears, etc... I guess we can add 'Time' to the list.
 
2012-07-18 02:32:47 PM
Jodeo: Rush Limbaugh responds to all this nonsense.
(new window, not that you'll really bother).


Somebody tell me, is having a road in front of your business what makes it a success?

It certainly is in SimCity!
 
2012-07-18 02:34:26 PM
NateGrey: Rush is pretty hilarious right now.

Said Obama was snorting coke and learning to be a Marxist.


I thought Obama was already a Marxist. That's why I voted for him.
 
2012-07-18 02:38:52 PM
Jodeo: Rush Limbaugh responds to all this nonsense.
(new window, not that you'll really bother).


So he says: "Do you think that it is accidental that the name of the really vicious fire breathing four eyed whatever it is villain in this movie is named Bain [sic]?"

And today he denies he said anything of the sort.

No wonder he's a Romney guy. Except when he wasn't.
 
2012-07-18 02:39:55 PM
JerseyTim: Also, within the context of the movie, Dixon said the comparison between Bane and Romney does not make sense. "My understanding is that Bane is more of an Occupy Wall Street type. Romney is more like Bruce Wayne."

See, this is the craziest part of Limbaugh's comments. The Dark Knight was essentially an allegory for the War on Terror with Batman playing the role of George W. Bush. He was the president we deserve, not the one we need right now. It's no coincidence that The Dark Knight Rises takes place eight years later.


I never got that. I always thought it was showing that the GW methods only make things worse. What did extraditing the businessman do? Gave Joker ready access to not only the laundered money, but also the man himself causing his death. What did the wiretapping do? Gave Bats bad information that got Rachel killed AND created Two-Face as a result. I always saw it as "These might make you feel safer in the short-term, but in the longterm, they lead to ruin."
 
2012-07-18 02:43:44 PM
coeyagi, rufus-t-firefly: Dude, if you let your partisan hack shillery down from that tree house for one damn minute.... you'd see that you were the one who needs the joker meme graphic.

No partisan anything on my part here, though interesting you jumped to that. I was thinking of the Dark Knight Knightfall series in which Bane appears 20 years ago (that being the topic of the thread), not the older movie which I now assume the posters were referencing.

Although I understand Chris Nolan has stated that that was not his intent? That it is an audience inference, not a director inmplication?
 
2012-07-18 02:46:29 PM
FirstNationalBastard: Rann Xerox: FlashHarry: palladiate: I always thought Bane as a leftist anarchist. He empowered the dispossessed, wanted to break the wealthy, and take down the police state. Bane would have targeted Bain for destruction.

that's pretty much what dixon said. and he said romney is more like batman - a delusional, secluded billionaire.

Can a dog carrier fit on top of the batmobile?

[media.comicvine.com image 557x332]


Why does the dog have a mask? Why would a dog need a secret identity? More beer should do the trick.
 
2012-07-18 02:54:52 PM
themindiswatching: Have people ever thought for a second that maybe movies are for entertainment and not for projecting your beliefs?

/wait, I think I answered my own question.


Remember the questions about Star Wars Ep 2 and 3 being a commentary on Bush? Idiots on both sides thought so without considering that Lucas is an apolitical money grubbing whore who molests our inner child's memories. A memory pedophile.
 
2012-07-18 02:58:28 PM
Magorn: FirstNationalBastard: As long as Chuck Dixon doesn't go all wingnut in his writing, he's a decent comic book writer.

why DOES comic book writing seem to attract so many right-wingers like Frank Miller, Todd Mcfarland, Dixon and Graham, and at least after his divorce, Dave Sims?


For the same reason it attracts liberals like Jerry Siegel, William Marston, Stan Lee, Denny O'Neil, Alan Moore, J. Michael Straczynski, Marc Guggenheim, and Mark Millar.

Because comics are f*cking awesome.
 
2012-07-18 02:58:52 PM
I_C_Weener: themindiswatching: Have people ever thought for a second that maybe movies are for entertainment and not for projecting your beliefs?

/wait, I think I answered my own question.

Remember the questions about Star Wars Ep 2 and 3 being a commentary on Bush? Idiots on both sides thought so without considering that Lucas is an apolitical money grubbing whore who molests our inner child's memories. A memory pedophile.


I believe the term is retroactive pedophile.
 
2012-07-18 03:06:19 PM
You have to wonder which side Rush is on

Even he must realize that most of his listeners are not rocket surgeons and that they are only going to absorb the most superficial details of what he is saying

And he is reminding them that Bane = Evil Villain

So every time they hear Romney = Bain, they know what to think
 
2012-07-18 03:06:21 PM
FirstNationalBastard: [media.comicvine.com image 557x332]

No one can know my dog's secret identity.
 
2012-07-18 03:06:57 PM
BojanglesPaladin: Although I understand Chris Nolan has stated that that was not his intent? That it is an audience inference, not a director inmplication?

Yeah, it's also just a coincidence that Bane is leading an army of unwashed Occupy protestors in an assault on rich people in TDKR.

I don't know whether Nolan himself is a conservative or if he's just tapping into the conservative themes of the character, but the messages are there.
 
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