My latest toon in Skyrim is a nord that keeps getting compliments on the size of my hammer.

doczoidberg: As a gamer, I demand that there be more naked boobies.

Don't forget the rape simulators. We need lots more rape simulators.

Lyonid: some elves had to be miners and accountants


Proud.

pre-installed race cards in my gaming system?

Strategeryz0r: The only problem I have with sexism in video games is that the scantily clad, big tittied, hot chick doesn't render on screen with a goddamn sammich in her hands..

Or, what I'm trying to say, THEY'RE NOT SEXIST ENOUGH!!!

What's wrong with being sexy?

divx88: My latest toon in Skyrim is a nord that keeps getting compliments on the size of my hammer.

He's white. Clearly they confused you for a red guard.

Theaetetus: tlchwi02: yeah its astonishing really... not only is the article wrong on facts in several spots- like saying redguards were inspired by gypsies

Article: "For example, the Redguard share skin pigmentation and cultural signifiers with the Moors"

Moors are not gypsies.

From your criticism, you clearly both read the article... But from your criticism, it seems like neither of you actually understood any of the words in it.

Article: "One of the oldest villains in video game history is Ganondorf, and not only is he the only non-white character in the first few thousand iterations of the Zelda series, but he's also a member of the "thieving Gerudo race," which, like the Redguard, are obviously based off an existing people: Gypsies."

which is why i made the point that i thought they meant to say that the khajiit were gypsies (because they obviously are.) that said, i still think that crafting a group of people in a fantasy setting who are similar to a group in real life is not inherintly racist.

PluckYew: Strategeryz0r: The only problem I have with sexism in video games is that the scantily clad, big tittied, hot chick doesn't render on screen with a goddamn sammich in her hands..

Or, what I'm trying to say, THEY'RE NOT SEXIST ENOUGH!!!

What's wrong with being sexy?

Nothing. It would be sexier if the impossible big tittied, barely dressed, video game vixen came complete with a sandwich too! Only at that point is the fantasy truly complete.

randomjsa: scottydoesntknow: This article is less about prejudices in video games, and more about how everyone needs to find something to complain about. Bullshiat political correctness.

Political correctness would be if they were hypersensitive about it.

There is a problem with sexism in video games.

Yes. There is.

Yes. There. Is.

Not if the only "examples" of it in your article are extremely distorted, if not outright incorrect, takes on the the games.

What a no-win situation. If you write a minority character, you have to avoid anything that could be construed as a stereotype, or else you're a racist. You could avoid the issue entirely, but then you're a racist for not having ethnic diversity. That's not to say that there aren't plenty of legitimate examples of racism or sexism, but I sometimes think making a character that's not a white male is like walking on eggshells.

For example, in The Elder Scrolls, Redguards as a culture tend to distrust magic, and happen to be black. A Redguard who wants to be a mage would presumably have more to learn because he comes from a culture that chooses to remain ignorant of it. Since, in game terms, the stat that determines aptitude for spells is called intelligence, this stat is lower for them.

The article writer's reaction: "Bethesda thinks Blacks are stupid!"

tlchwi02: Article: "One of the oldest villains in video game history is Ganondorf, and not only is he the only non-white character in the first few thousand iterations of the Zelda series, but he's also a member of the "thieving Gerudo race," which, like the Redguard, are obviously based off an existing people: Gypsies."

... that's saying that the Gerudo are, like the Redguard, based off an existing people. Not that they're both based off the same existing people.

Sheesh.

Strategeryz0r: doczoidberg: As a gamer, I demand that there be more naked boobies.

Don't forget the rape simulators. We need lots more rape simulators.


I wonder if rape simulators would actually help reduce the number of real rapes....
Seriously. I'm curious if the rapists would just stay at home if they could engage in virtual reality sex assaults instead. Seems like it'd b a lot less trouble, and result in far less jail time.

Just a thought.

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: roup here).

There was a gripe-meme about a year ago or so in the fan fiction world about how there were too many "white cocks" in fan fiction. Not enough penis diversity. No it wasn't a parody meme.


Is this true?! The whole time I was part of different fan fiction communities (some of which continue to this day) I've never heard this. It wouldn't surprise me if it happened, but wow...just wow.

Theaetetus: asian people 'wise' and 'spiritual' and all the black people 'athletic' and 'dumb', and that's racist."

The article was wrong that only the Orcs share the same penalty, the Nords, who look like Nordic white folks, have the same -10 Intellegence, Wisdom and Personality and the same +10 to Endurance and Strength. Redguards also had a game set in their homeland before Nords had one set in theirs.

The Gerudo being compared to Gypsies is absurd. The physical description isn't similar, nor is their cultural way of life. Unless the Romany you know have golden skin, red hair and live together in communal housing made of stone and are nearly entirely female.

Bioware, who they called out, has had several male-male gay relationships in other games of theirs, made prior to the Mass Effect games. Jade Empire and Dragon Age being two of them.

The enemies in Uncharted are not mostly of a different skin color, or in any way monsterous. God of Wars enemies are typically undead looking skeletons or mythological half man creatures. Ascribing a race to a skeletal warriors is kind of absurd.

I'm not saying the point is wrong, but some of the examples the author uses are terrible or out of context. Metroid Other M was not as well received because of some of the points he stated, however this is not a problem in every other Metroid game.

tlchwi02: that said, i still think that crafting a group of people in a fantasy setting who are similar to a group in real life is not inherintly racist.

See my other comment... It's not racist to make a group that are similar to an existing group. It's racist to start ascribing the game group negative traits that correspond to stereotypes about the existing group: like black people, all Redguard are strong and dumb; like gypsies, all Gerudo are thieves; like Jamaicans or Haitians, all trolls are either lazy potheads or superstitious jungle savages; like Native Americans, all Tauren are environmentally conscious spirit-worshipers who say 'How'; etc.

Antimatter: it's more that skin alone doesn't determine sex appeal.

says you.

abrannan: randomjsa: There is a problem with sexism in video games.

Yes. There is.

Yes. There. Is.



I don't know what you're talking about. Meanwhile, I just pre-ordered my copy of Tekken Tag Tournament 2 with the Big Bikini Bundle that includes 150 swimsuits for the female characters.


/Yes, that's a real thing.

See how dumb you look?

It's 150 swimsuits for EVERY character, including males and bears. Heihachi is wearing a thong speedo.

This thread made me realize I want to reinstall Skyrim.

Lumbar Puncture: Theaetetus: asian people 'wise' and 'spiritual' and all the black people 'athletic' and 'dumb', and that's racist."

The article was wrong that only the Orcs share the same penalty, the Nords, who look like Nordic white folks, have the same -10 Intellegence, Wisdom and Personality and the same +10 to Endurance and Strength.

Yes, the Viking barbarians had the same "dumb but strong" stereotype... You realize you're not actually helping your argument, right?

Redguards also had a game set in their homeland before Nords had one set in theirs.

Not sure why you think that helps... Like, is Battlefield: Vietnam supposed to be particularly race sensitive because you're blowing up people in their homeland?

The Gerudo being compared to Gypsies is absurd. The physical description isn't similar, nor is their cultural way of life. Unless the Romany you know have golden skin, red hair and live together in communal housing made of stone and are nearly entirely female.

I don't think Haitians are all 7 feet tall with green skin and fangs, but you'd be hard pressed to say that WoW trolls aren't based on them as opposed to, say, Germans.

Bioware, who they called out, has had several male-male gay relationships in other games of theirs, made prior to the Mass Effect games. Jade Empire and Dragon Age being two of them.

Dragon Age came after Mass Effect. And Jade Empire would imply the relationship, but not show a kiss between same-sex characters.

The enemies in Uncharted are not mostly of a different skin color, or in any way monsterous. God of Wars enemies are typically undead looking skeletons or mythological half man creatures. Ascribing a race to a skeletal warriors is kind of absurd.

Maybe you played some other Uncharted, but yes, most of the enemies are South American in the first one, southeast Asian in the second one, and Arab in the third one.

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Theaetetus: tlchwi02: that said, i still think that crafting a group of people in a fantasy setting who are similar to a group in real life is not inherintly racist.

See my other comment... It's not racist to make a group that are similar to an existing group. It's racist to start ascribing the game group negative traits that correspond to stereotypes about the existing group: like black people, all Redguard are strong and dumb; like gypsies, all Gerudo are thieves; like Jamaicans or Haitians, all trolls are either lazy potheads or superstitious jungle savages; like Native Americans, all Tauren are environmentally conscious spirit-worshipers who say 'How'; etc.

*yawn* If this is the depth of the problems in gaming, things must be going pretty well for social justice in the US.

Ah, concern trolling. Always a tactic.

/note that I didn't say it was an effective one

Minecraft is racist because spiders are all black, jump really high, and white skeletons ride them.

/No idea how the green penises fit in though.

#2 is easily dunked by Bioware's efforts to not only have gay relationships but make gay romance normal and merged into society. Mass Effect 3, give or take some of its flaws, did Cortez wonderfully.

However that didn't stop gamers from literally flipping their shiat when it's weenie to weenie instead of scissors.

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: /also pretty sure I don't care about your little crusade, but it is entertaining to see you show up so consistency in these threads and sexual assault threads

If you don't care, why do you keep showing up to keep telling everyone how much you don't care?

WizardofToast: #2 is easily dunked by Bioware's efforts to not only have gay relationships but make gay romance normal and merged into society. Mass Effect 3, give or take some of its flaws, did Cortez wonderfully.

However that didn't stop teenage gamers from literally flipping their shiat when it's weenie to weenie instead of scissors.

The older crowd(mostly) didn't even bat an eyelash at it because of how well it was handled.

LasersHurt: I mean, RE5 as an example - yes, you kill mostly black folk. Because you're in a place mostly populated by black folks.

The big objection there was you fought a large number of them in full tribal gear amidst grass huts, where they literally chucked spears at you. The English translation had to retcon in a diary entry that indicated that the plague had come during the middle of a big cultural festival.

Kome: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: /also pretty sure I don't care about your little crusade, but it is entertaining to see you show up so consistency in these threads and sexual assault threads

If you don't care, why do you keep showing up to keep telling everyone how much you don't care?

Because if he doesn't tell everyone he doesn't care, then you all might think he does.

And we can't have that!!

Seriously though, racism and sexism in video games? nubian please. There are TV show's twice as sexist and racist as just about every game out there, yet games are continuously blasted for this? It's called creative freedom people, stop trying to limit artistic expression by claiming everything is racist or sexist. Otherwise you'll need to replace every picture in every art gallery with a frame containing a blank piece of paper(possibly other frames with a black, brown, and yellow piece. Perhaps of varying shades). Your TV will have nothing but static. Your radio will cease to function. etc, etc, etc.

You can find something to be offended about in every damn thing that exists, the entire argument is so pants on head retarded. Yet we all keep entertaining the discussion. Unless a particular work obviously a form of hate speech, shut the hell up about it. Even then, who are you to limit someone else's free speech?

/hates how PC our culture is becoming.

Stopped reading at "Red Guard = Gypsies".... lolwut?

Theaetetus: Maybe you played some other Uncharted, but yes, most of the enemies are South American in the first one, southeast Asian in the second one, and Arab in the third one.

Wat?

You were fighting the private army of a miltary strongman from the former Yugoslavia in the second game while in Tibet, and you were fighting a secret faction of the British government in the third game. The central asians and the arabs were your allies in those two games, respectively.

Did you even PLAY Uncharted 2 and 3?

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Strategeryz0r: Kome: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: /also pretty sure I don't care about your little crusade, but it is entertaining to see you show up so consistency in these threads and sexual assault threads

If you don't care, why do you keep showing up to keep telling everyone how much you don't care?

Because if he doesn't tell everyone he doesn't care, then you all might think he does.

And we can't have that!!

Seriously though, racism and sexism in video games? nubian please. There are TV show's twice as sexist and racist as just about every game out there, yet games are continuously blasted for this? It's called creative freedom people, stop trying to limit artistic expression by claiming everything is racist or sexist. Otherwise you'll need to replace every picture in every art gallery with a frame containing a blank piece of paper(possibly other frames with a black, brown, and yellow piece. Perhaps of varying shades). Your TV will have nothing but static. Your radio will cease to function. etc, etc, etc.

You can find something to be offended about in every damn thing that exists, the entire argument is so pants on head retarded. Yet we all keep entertaining the discussion. Unless a particular work obviously a form of hate speech, shut the hell up about it. Even then, who are you to limit someone else's free speech?

/hates how PC our culture is becoming.

The response to this is usually a claim that you're derailing and a sort of passive-aggressive response to the effect of "yes, OBVIOUSLY since things are worse in one medium we should totally ignore it in another!"

/someone will always be upset

No what I'm saying is it doesn't matter what medium it is, you can find something to be offended about. Yet, at the end of the day, it's someone else using their right to free expression that created the content that might offend you. As such, their right to free expression trumps anything else in my book. So ignore the problem ENTIRELY because it's not a problem. It's overs ensative idiots making mountains out of mole hills.

Is racism/sexism a real thing? YES, and it always will be. Can we just accept that we're all different. That we all, to some degree, enjoy making fun of stereotypes. And just move on with our lives? If you don't like the content someone produces, then choose to ignore it rather than biatch about it. Since it is, after all, their god given right to create that content.

Vangor: Theaetetus: like Jamaicans or Haitians, all trolls are either lazy potheads or superstitious jungle savages

As far as I know of Warcraft Trolls, Trolls are highly intelligent and in some period in history ruled basically the entire world, falling only due to tribal animosity. Plus, hard to be lazy when you have spread to every corner of the world and continue to pose serious threats. Without the accent, I doubt anyone would make a real connection to a people, and the accent frankly seems meant to connect with the "voodoo" aspect of Trolls (voodoo being as effective and prevalent as any other magic system in Warcraft, basically).

"Stay away from de voodoo, mon."

Skyrim also has same-sex marriage.

So, there's that.

I don't understand the RE hate for having black people as the zombie in Africa. Wasn't bad when they were in Spain and everyone was Spanish. .. but Africa? Niger please.

/I dig chicks in N7 armor, not that thin crap.

Hmm. Computer won't even let me view the article, but based on how bad Cracked articles have been lately I don't think I'm missing much.

/so yeah, DNRTFA
//having fun trying to piece things together from these comments though :D

thecpt: I don't understand the RE hate for having black people as the zombie in Africa.

Again. it wasn't that you were fighting black folks.
It was that you were fighting them in full tribal gear, in and around grass huts, while they literally chucked spears at you.

It would be like fighting those guys in Spain, and then having conquistadors on horseback attack you for a couple of chapters..

Cubicle Jockey: Theaetetus: Maybe you played some other Uncharted, but yes, most of the enemies are South American in the first one, southeast Asian in the second one, and Arab in the third one.

Wat?

You were fighting the private army of a miltary strongman from the former Yugoslavia in the second game while in Tibet, and you were fighting a secret faction of the British government in the third game. The central asians and the arabs were your allies in those two games, respectively.

Did you even PLAY Uncharted 2 and 3?

And the last half of Uncharted 1 where you're fighting North American/European mercenaries.

That was one of the most unintelligent things I have ever read. I am assuming it was written by a 30 something white hetero male which, surprisingly is the majority of people who play video games so why can't they be developed for the majority? How many black men are there in north america compared to whites and how many played FF VII? There was a total of ONE black male in my hometown of 4000 people growing up and he was adopted by a white family so what is this racism thing these idiots keep trying to make me feel guilty about? Shut up with your inane PC blathering you moranic cracked hack.

My husband has found that you have to try on any armor that drops on a female toon to determine whether you should auction it for transmog. The sexier the armor, the more you can sell it for. He's been selling regular greens, not even Cata greens, for 500 or 600 gold apiece by having one of his Draenei females model it first. Sigh :(