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(Cracked)   Racism, sexism, what's new in video games? Here are five prejudices that video games can't seem to get over   (cracked.com) divider line 199
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2012-07-18 12:06:08 PM  
I stick to good ol' wholesome mushroom eating Mario & Luigi.
 
2012-07-18 12:21:24 PM  
that article was wrong on every level
 
2012-07-18 12:30:37 PM  
#2. There Are No Gay Men, Just Lesbians (And Those Chicks Can Be Converted)

So that's why we used the photo of one of the gayest characters from Bioware (I know, Zevran is technically bi, but he sure loves the men). Zevran was also one of the most interesting characters in Dragon Age, loved him.

This article is less about prejudices in video games, and more about how everyone needs to find something to complain about. Bullshiat political correctness.
 
2012-07-18 12:31:16 PM  
The only relationship portrayed in the entire Mass Effect series that didn't feel trite and ham fisted was Lt. Cortez's trauma over losing his husband.
 
2012-07-18 01:29:15 PM  

scottydoesntknow: This article is less about prejudices in video games, and more about how everyone needs to find something to complain about. Bullshiat political correctness.


It's a trend right now, in gaming, especially, but also in comics. Basically, if some story/game/whatever isn't perfectly egalitarian, blogs will spend weeks complaining about it and offering it up as just one more example of how comic creators / game companies / whoever are alienating (insert blog's interest group here).

There was a gripe-meme about a year ago or so in the fan fiction world about how there were too many "white cocks" in fan fiction. Not enough penis diversity. No it wasn't a parody meme.

/this is why i've been extracting myself from all those fandoms
//it's become more annoying than it is worth
 
2012-07-18 02:10:57 PM  

scottydoesntknow: This article is less about prejudices in video games, and more about how everyone needs to find something to complain about. Bullshiat political correctness.


yeah its astonishing really... not only is the article wrong on facts in several spots- like saying redguards were inspired by gypsies- but the broader point of complaining that a bunch of cat people in a fictional universe (assuming they meant to call out khajiit as the gypsies) have been roughly modeled on a real world cultural group. so what? i don't see how that is inherintly racist.
 
2012-07-18 02:36:23 PM  

scottydoesntknow: #2. There Are No Gay Men, Just Lesbians (And Those Chicks Can Be Converted)

So that's why we used the photo of one of the gayest characters from Bioware (I know, Zevran is technically bi, but he sure loves the men). Zevran was also one of the most interesting characters in Dragon Age, loved him.

This article is less about prejudices in video games, and more about how everyone needs to find something to complain about. Bullshiat political correctness.


the ballad of gay tony nods its approval
 
2012-07-18 02:36:54 PM  
Even by Cracked 'standards' that list was a load of old tosh.
 
2012-07-18 02:38:52 PM  

tlchwi02: scottydoesntknow: This article is less about prejudices in video games, and more about how everyone needs to find something to complain about. Bullshiat political correctness.

yeah its astonishing really... not only is the article wrong on facts in several spots- like saying redguards were inspired by gypsies- but the broader point of complaining that a bunch of cat people in a fictional universe (assuming they meant to call out khajiit as the gypsies) have been roughly modeled on a real world cultural group. so what? i don't see how that is inherintly racist.


"Racism" is acknowledging that some people are different.
 
2012-07-18 02:43:45 PM  

scottydoesntknow: This article is less about prejudices in video games, and more about how everyone needs to find something to complain about. Bullshiat political correctness.


Cracked has done that more and more recently. Many of their articles reading like Jezebel rejects and submissions to a women's media studies class.

If you can imitate the style, then you too, can write for Cracked.

http://www.cracked.com/write-for-cracked/
 
2012-07-18 02:47:29 PM  

RoyBatty: scottydoesntknow: This article is less about prejudices in video games, and more about how everyone needs to find something to complain about. Bullshiat political correctness.

Cracked has done that more and more recently. Many of their articles reading like Jezebel rejects and submissions to a women's media studies class.

If you can imitate the style, then you too, can write for Cracked.

http://www.cracked.com/write-for-cracked/


Honestly, I usually like their articles (Cracked, not Jezebel). They always do the dumb lists, but dammit most of the jokes are pretty damn funny. This was just garbage. Pandering to people who want to be pissed off because video games do what every other source of media has done a thousand times in the past.
 
2012-07-18 02:49:09 PM  
what about all the hating on Zombies and Nazis'
OK, I will give that the Nazies deserve a lot of hate to balance out the hate the gave.

but Zombies? did they ever choose to be a zombie?
 
2012-07-18 02:50:21 PM  
This is one of the worst cracked articles ever. Metroid: Other M was sexist because Samus had a male love interest? So, because she's a woman she just has to remain asexual or risk losing her badassness? Did anybody think it was sexist that Max Payne was avenging the death of his wife and son, or the Leisure Suit Larry was trying to get laid all the time? No, because that would be silly.
 
2012-07-18 02:51:05 PM  
Take Infamous 2, which has two relationship options: the sassy black woman (if you're evil) and the bookish Asian woman (if you're heroic). In addition to starting out at the "Haha, like, really?" level of racism right from the jump, the outcome of both options is the same: Cole MacGrath, the hero, gets their powers, doesn't have to share his own and then kills both of the women


This is what happens when someone gets all their game info from Wikipedia.
 
2012-07-18 02:51:53 PM  

serial_crusher: Did anybody think it was sexist that Max Payne was avenging the death of his wife and son daughter


FTFM, but not after setting the cause of feminism back at least 50 years.
 
2012-07-18 02:52:24 PM  
madgordy:
\what about all the hating on Zombies and Nazis'
OK, I will give that the Nazies deserve a lot of hate to balance out the hate the gave.

but Zombies? did they ever choose to be a zombie?


Zombieism is a lifestyle choice, and I don't see why my tax dollars should be used to teach it to impressionable children.
 
2012-07-18 02:52:53 PM  

madgordy: what about all the hating on Zombies and Nazis'
OK, I will give that the Nazies deserve a lot of hate to balance out the hate the gave.

but Zombies? did they ever choose to be a zombie?


When they chose to buy yet another installment of the husk of a franchise known as "Call of Duty".
 
2012-07-18 02:52:59 PM  
The most interesting thing about these kinds of articles is how outraged people get in response.

The list is largely true but gamers, above just about any other hobbyist, do not like having the mirror turned on themselves.
 
2012-07-18 02:54:14 PM  
Considering that the World of Warcraft description in #5 is completely wrong in every way, I didn't feel the need to continue with the article.
 
2012-07-18 02:54:28 PM  

Aarontology: The only relationship portrayed in the entire Mass Effect series that didn't feel trite and ham fisted was Lt. Cortez's trauma over losing his husband.


The Garen romance in ME2 was pretty hilarious.

tlchwi02: yeah its astonishing really... not only is the article wrong on facts in several spots- like saying redguards were inspired by gypsies- but the broader point of complaining that a bunch of cat people in a fictional universe (assuming they meant to call out khajiit as the gypsies) have been roughly modeled on a real world cultural group. so what? i don't see how that is inherintly racist.


Eh, I sort of get what it's saying. It would be similar to a game set in modern times where you could pick your race, and got inherent modifiers from it: black people get +5 to running and 100% extra benefit from fried chicken, while if you pick Mexican your benefits are counterbalanced by laziness reducing your attack speed.

It's part of the whole D&D trope of races in games generally being a single stereotype. All elves are tree hugging hippies, all dwarves are drunk axe wielding assholes. Some dwarves had to be foresters/farmers, some elves had to be miners and accountants, etc. When you pick to be a Redguard, you are automatically an angry black man who is good with a sword but no speak gud.
 
2012-07-18 02:58:21 PM  
One of the things I like most about SW:tOR is that female armor actually looks functional.
 
2012-07-18 03:01:04 PM  
I do admit that games tend to use a ton of racial and gender sterotypes. Solid minority characters are fairly rare, with only a few strong standouts.

As for the women, sexuality seems to be the primary factory in a lot of female designs, with fantasy and sci-fi games often having the more sleezy ones.

It's really just lazyness in design, and often takes away from the subject at hand. It's not to say you can't make attractive women, it's more that skin alone doesn't determine sex appeal.
 
2012-07-18 03:02:49 PM  
Sorry to threadjack, has anyone ever seen a google calculator like this one?

i.imgur.com

Is this new?
 
2012-07-18 03:05:55 PM  

RoyBatty: Sorry to threadjack, has anyone ever seen a google calculator like this one?

[i.imgur.com image 574x464]

Is this new?


I think it started 2 or 3 weeks ago. They've also added GUI for unit conversions.
 
2012-07-18 03:09:07 PM  

IrateShadow: I think it started 2 or 3 weeks ago. They've also added GUI for unit conversions.


It's very nice, useful, and surprisingly pretty. But I am not seeing it on every calculation.

I wish they would also have a button to create a mini-spreadsheet out of my calculation. Or that I wasn't too lazy to google the docs on their mathematical expression language.
 
2012-07-18 03:14:13 PM  

scottydoesntknow: This article is less about prejudices in video games, and more about how everyone needs to find something to complain about. Bullshiat political correctness.


Political correctness would be if they were hypersensitive about it.

There is a problem with sexism in video games.

Yes. There is.

Yes. There. Is.
 
2012-07-18 03:14:48 PM  
"Crappy Top X lists" seem to be absent from the list.
 
2012-07-18 03:17:27 PM  

Antimatter: I do admit that games tend to use a ton of racial and gender sterotypes. Solid minority characters are fairly rare, with only a few strong standouts.


The thing that annoys me is that even with some of the less stereotypical characters there is almost always some sort of stereotype caveat. You can make a black character without checking the rapper, ex-con, demolitions, gangbanger, heavy weapons, baratone, or asshole attribute box. Trust me. No one will mind.
 
2012-07-18 03:22:06 PM  

madgordy: what about all the hating on Zombies and Nazis'
OK, I will give that the Nazies deserve a lot of hate to balance out the hate the gave.

but Zombies? did they ever choose to be a zombie?


Hey what is not to love about Nazis? They got rid of a lot of the trash in Europe, ended the Great Depression and made the US the greatest nation on Earth. The way I see it we all need to give the Nazis a great big thank you.
 
2012-07-18 03:27:02 PM  
I know when I'm shooting aliens, my first thought is always whether my dude prefers penises or vaginas. Then, I wonder what his attitude is toward women and whether he is sensitive to their concerns.

Next, I wonder if the aliens are really just misunderstood. Maybe my friends and family deserved to be eaten for offending the aliens somehow. Maybe in the alien culture, eating them was considered a compliment.

Play the farking game and quit whining.
 
2012-07-18 03:29:02 PM  

RoyBatty: Many of their articles reading like Jezebel rejects and submissions to a women's media studies class.


Hardly.
 
2012-07-18 03:29:30 PM  
Dear god, I know it's just Cracked and all, but they're really reading deeply into this where I think it's not appropriate.

I mean, RE5 as an example - yes, you kill mostly black folk. Because you're in a place mostly populated by black folks. Remember previous games, when you WEREN'T in an area primarily populated by black folks? Surprise, you killed non-blacks. Ta-da.
 
2012-07-18 03:31:06 PM  

LasersHurt: Dear god, I know it's just Cracked and all, but they're really reading deeply into this where I think it's not appropriate.

I mean, RE5 as an example - yes, you kill mostly black folk. Because you're in a place mostly populated by black folks. Remember previous games, when you WEREN'T in an area primarily populated by black folks? Surprise, you killed non-blacks. Ta-da.


Left 4 Dead #2 anyone?
 
2012-07-18 03:32:42 PM  

Iceberg659: Antimatter: I do admit that games tend to use a ton of racial and gender sterotypes. Solid minority characters are fairly rare, with only a few strong standouts.

The thing that annoys me is that even with some of the less stereotypical characters there is almost always some sort of stereotype caveat. You can make a black character without checking the rapper, ex-con, demolitions, gangbanger, heavy weapons, baratone, or asshole attribute box. Trust me. No one will mind.


What about photographer?

cache.kotaku.com
 
2012-07-18 03:35:39 PM  
BioWare makes games like teenagers watch porn: Lesbians are fine and kinda hot, but dudes touching other dudes? Gaaaaaaaaay.

Haha. Yeah. Only an immature baby doesn't want to see dudes railing each other.
 
2012-07-18 03:35:45 PM  
Given that these games all involve running around and killing shiat, who the fark cares if it is anti-[race]/[sex]/[gay]? In the end, you're killing 'em all anyway.
 
2012-07-18 03:36:05 PM  

GreenAdder: RoyBatty: Many of their articles reading like Jezebel rejects and submissions to a women's media studies class.

Hardly.


Okay, let me restate that: Many of their articles are worse than Jezebel and most submissions to a womens' media studies class. Jezebel's articles show signs of editing and clearly present the author's points of view. Cracked articles are like reading a committee's best practices list of the most common wisdom suggests choice of politically correct memes. That would explain their length and lack of editing as well as their ability to take old news and suck any remaining life out of it, while trotting out hackneyed, long debunked opinions as some sort of litmus test as to the reader's character.

Cracked shouldn't be hauling garbage, ...
 
2012-07-18 03:39:57 PM  

tlchwi02: yeah its astonishing really... not only is the article wrong on facts in several spots- like saying redguards were inspired by gypsies- but the broader point of complaining that a bunch of cat people in a fictional universe (assuming they meant to call out khajiit as the gypsies) have been roughly modeled on a real world cultural group. so what? i don't see how that is inherintly racist.


The term is "co-opting a culture" which is bad and racist. Of course, if you don't include characters in your medieval fantasy setting that aren't inspired by European culture, then you are being Anglocentric which is also bad and racist.

/reads angry Tumblr rants for fun.
 
2012-07-18 03:47:45 PM  
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2012-07-18 03:48:13 PM  
It is refreshing to see more outlets that gamers visit are more frequently willing to engage in this kind of discussion by bringing these topics up. I do hope these types of articles keep cropping up, because they do have a positive impact for the groups that are being stereotyped and maligned (deliberately or not) by entertainment industries.
 
2012-07-18 03:48:20 PM  

tlchwi02: scottydoesntknow: This article is less about prejudices in video games, and more about how everyone needs to find something to complain about. Bullshiat political correctness.

yeah its astonishing really... not only is the article wrong on facts in several spots- like saying redguards were inspired by gypsies- but the broader point of complaining that a bunch of cat people in a fictional universe (assuming they meant to call out khajiit as the gypsies) have been roughly modeled on a real world cultural group. so what? i don't see how that is inherintly racist.


Actually they compared the Redguards to the Moors, which in the new game would seem a reasonable comparison. Ganondorf's clan were compared to gypsies. But then, that would have required actually reading the article instead of seeing the Cracked tag and jumping into the thread as fast as you possibly could to display your anti-Cracked hipness.
 
2012-07-18 03:49:34 PM  

randomjsa: There is a problem with sexism in video games.

Yes. There is.

Yes. There. Is.




I don't know what you're talking about. Meanwhile, I just pre-ordered my copy of Tekken Tag Tournament 2 with the Big Bikini Bundle that includes 150 swimsuits for the female characters.


/Yes, that's a real thing.
 
2012-07-18 03:52:16 PM  
Came here to say that the writer obviously hasn't played Dragon Age, but I see that's been covered.

In regards to the Sims 3, I hadn't noticed that the women are super happy when they're pregnant, but if that's accurate, I would say that it is most likely an intentional design decision having nothing to do with sexism. When a character gets pregnant in the game, She will throw up, have to pee a lot more often, require a lot more food, and is less rested from sleep. So basically all of your bars go down significantly and are hard to maintain. I imagine putting her in a good mood probably counter balances it or else your character would be impossible to please.
 
2012-07-18 03:52:52 PM  
The only problem I have with sexism in video games is that the scantily clad, big tittied, hot chick doesn't render on screen with a goddamn sammich in her hands..

Or, what I'm trying to say, THEY'RE NOT SEXIST ENOUGH!!!
 
2012-07-18 03:55:46 PM  

scottydoesntknow: #2. There Are No Gay Men, Just Lesbians (And Those Chicks Can Be Converted)

So that's why we used the photo of one of the gayest characters from Bioware


Article: "If any other game franchise is even touching this stuff, it's only with blatant stereotypes"

Zevran is a blatant stereotype of a bisexual guy who will fark anything and everything.

tlchwi02: yeah its astonishing really... not only is the article wrong on facts in several spots- like saying redguards were inspired by gypsies


Article: "For example, the Redguard share skin pigmentation and cultural signifiers with the Moors"

Moors are not gypsies.

From your criticism, you clearly both read the article... But from your criticism, it seems like neither of you actually understood any of the words in it.
 
2012-07-18 03:57:15 PM  
I'll just point out that my Red Guard in Oblivion was actually the spitting image of Bruce Lee, not a black guy-which was useful because he was the one that I decided to do the entire story arc with wearing a robe and using nothing but my bare hands.
 
2012-07-18 04:01:44 PM  

Disposable Rob: tlchwi02: yeah its astonishing really... not only is the article wrong on facts in several spots- like saying redguards were inspired by gypsies- but the broader point of complaining that a bunch of cat people in a fictional universe (assuming they meant to call out khajiit as the gypsies) have been roughly modeled on a real world cultural group. so what? i don't see how that is inherintly racist.

The term is "co-opting a culture" which is bad and racist. Of course, if you don't include characters in your medieval fantasy setting that aren't inspired by European culture, then you are being Anglocentric which is also bad and racist..


No, the problem is this:
"Some racism in modern video games is so ingrained as to actually be fundamental to the gameplay.... Now, more "realistic" fantasy games like the Elder Scrolls series allow your characters to choose real-world races -- but still base their in-game stats around race.
For example, the Redguard share skin pigmentation and cultural signifiers with the Moors... and share their stats with "black people," as in the walking stereotype we're trained to expect from watching cop dramas and episodes of Maury. In Skyrim, Redguards have an Adrenaline Rush perk that augments their athletic abilities, while in Oblivion, Redguards took a massive penalty to intelligence (effectively meaning that in the Elder Scrolls universe, black people were too stupid to use magic -- that world's analogue of technology)."

Got it? It's not "ooh, you included black people and asians in your game, that's racist" but "ooh, you included black people and asians in your game... and you made all of the asian people 'wise' and 'spiritual' and all the black people 'athletic' and 'dumb', and that's racist."
 
2012-07-18 04:06:20 PM  

Theaetetus: Disposable Rob: tlchwi02: yeah its astonishing really... not only is the article wrong on facts in several spots- like saying redguards were inspired by gypsies- but the broader point of complaining that a bunch of cat people in a fictional universe (assuming they meant to call out khajiit as the gypsies) have been roughly modeled on a real world cultural group. so what? i don't see how that is inherintly racist.

The term is "co-opting a culture" which is bad and racist. Of course, if you don't include characters in your medieval fantasy setting that aren't inspired by European culture, then you are being Anglocentric which is also bad and racist..

No, the problem is this:
"Some racism in modern video games is so ingrained as to actually be fundamental to the gameplay.... Now, more "realistic" fantasy games like the Elder Scrolls series allow your characters to choose real-world races -- but still base their in-game stats around race.
For example, the Redguard share skin pigmentation and cultural signifiers with the Moors... and share their stats with "black people," as in the walking stereotype we're trained to expect from watching cop dramas and episodes of Maury. In Skyrim, Redguards have an Adrenaline Rush perk that augments their athletic abilities, while in Oblivion, Redguards took a massive penalty to intelligence (effectively meaning that in the Elder Scrolls universe, black people were too stupid to use magic -- that world's analogue of technology)."

Got it? It's not "ooh, you included black people and asians in your game, that's racist" but "ooh, you included black people and asians in your game... and you made all of the asian people 'wise' and 'spiritual' and all the black people 'athletic' and 'dumb', and that's racist."


Yet you say this like there's no truth to it....

Wait...

Did I say that out loud?

fark...
 
2012-07-18 04:06:58 PM  

sprawl15: Aarontology: The only relationship portrayed in the entire Mass Effect series that didn't feel trite and ham fisted was Lt. Cortez's trauma over losing his husband.

The Garen romance in ME2 was pretty hilarious.

tlchwi02: yeah its astonishing really... not only is the article wrong on facts in several spots- like saying redguards were inspired by gypsies- but the broader point of complaining that a bunch of cat people in a fictional universe (assuming they meant to call out khajiit as the gypsies) have been roughly modeled on a real world cultural group. so what? i don't see how that is inherintly racist.

Eh, I sort of get what it's saying. It would be similar to a game set in modern times where you could pick your race, and got inherent modifiers from it: black people get +5 to running and 100% extra benefit from fried chicken, while if you pick Mexican your benefits are counterbalanced by laziness reducing your attack speed.

It's part of the whole D&D trope of races in games generally being a single stereotype. All elves are tree hugging hippies, all dwarves are drunk axe wielding assholes. Some dwarves had to be foresters/farmers, some elves had to be miners and accountants, etc. When you pick to be a Redguard, you are automatically an angry black man who is good with a sword but no speak gud.


Not all... the black-skinned ones were evil and violent.

so... um... yeah.

/not helping
 
2012-07-18 04:07:48 PM  
As a gamer, I demand that there be more naked boobies.
 
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