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2012-07-18 10:03:46 AM
Frist called a RINO in 3...2...1...


/how far gone are they when farking Bill Frist is a voice of sanity
 
2012-07-18 10:17:14 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: /how far gone are they when farking Bill Frist is a voice of sanity


Isn't this the same dude who claimed he could tell from watching her on TV (by the pixels?) that Terry Schiavo wasn't brain dead?
 
2012-07-18 10:26:35 AM
RINO!
 
2012-07-18 10:30:10 AM
You guys do realize he's an M.D., right?
 
2012-07-18 10:32:23 AM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: You guys do realize he's an M.D., right?


Yep, and that gives his comments here added weight. Too bad the GOP won't listen.
 
2012-07-18 10:39:28 AM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: You guys do realize he's an M.D., right?


Yeah, Mad Democrat right!

/this is not intended to be a factual statement.
 
2012-07-18 10:43:42 AM
GOP to Former Senator Bill Frist: LALALALALALALA
 
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2012-07-18 10:44:44 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: FlyingLizardOfDoom: You guys do realize he's an M.D., right?

Yep, and that gives his comments here added weight. Too bad the GOP won't listen.




BUT BUT BUT SOCIALISM!!!!
 
2012-07-18 10:47:23 AM
I miss the old days when Bill Frist was the fringe right of the party. He's unfortunately now the fringe left.
 
2012-07-18 10:49:08 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Yep, and that gives his comments here added weight. Too bad the GOP won't listen.


That's because they can't hear anything over the tremendous awesome of DOCTOR RON PAUL!!!

o.onionstatic.com
 
2012-07-18 11:29:36 AM
It's truly farking sad when a guy like me catches himself longing for the days when Bill Frist was the biggest jerk on the right. If you had said to me back then, "It's going to get exponentially worse in less than a decade" I would have replied, "How much worse can it get? Are they going to start digging once they hit the bottom of the well?"

Well, they did.
 
2012-07-18 11:34:01 AM
Too late, Bill. "Obamacare" is going to stick, I'm afraid.
 
2012-07-18 01:25:48 PM
They didn't forget, they're just pissed that a Democrat did it.
 
2012-07-18 02:28:39 PM

dickfreckle: It's truly farking sad when a guy like me catches himself longing for the days when Bill Frist was the biggest jerk on the right. If you had said to me back then, "It's going to get exponentially worse in less than a decade" I would have replied, "How much worse can it get? Are they going to start digging once they hit the bottom of the well?"

Well, they did.


Ah, the TFD DIT advice thread analogy, lol.
 
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2012-07-18 02:30:12 PM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: You guys do realize he's an M.D., right?


One who can diagnose a patient he hasn't met? Does he sell Viagra online?
 
2012-07-18 03:02:29 PM
Original article HERE

Y'all do realize his family owns the largest for profit hospital company in the world, right? He stands to profit hugely from this.
 
2012-07-18 03:05:57 PM

mysticcat: Original article HERE

Y'all do realize his family owns the largest for profit hospital company in the world, right? He stands to profit hugely from this.


That doesn't make him wrong. Biased? Yes. But not wrong.
 
2012-07-18 03:12:09 PM

dickfreckle: It's truly farking sad when a guy like me catches himself longing for the days when Bill Frist was the biggest jerk on the right. If you had said to me back then, "It's going to get exponentially worse in less than a decade" I would have replied, "How much worse can it get? Are they going to start digging once they hit the bottom of the well?"

Well, they did.


Oh, you round earthers! They'll keep digging until they can see the sky. It's full of stars, I've heard.
 
2012-07-18 03:14:48 PM

give me doughnuts: mysticcat: Original article HERE

Y'all do realize his family owns the largest for profit hospital company in the world, right? He stands to profit hugely from this.

That doesn't make him wrong. Biased? Yes. But not wrong.


No, but it is interesting how everyone in this thread so far has ignored this huge conflict of interest just because it fits their political views.

I live in Nashville where 3 of the top 4 and 7 of the top 15 biggest hospital companies are headquartered. If the ACA goes through, this town is going to make some fark-you money.

FWIW, I'm an MD and I'm all for universal coverage, conflict of interest and all.
 
2012-07-18 03:32:24 PM

mysticcat: give me doughnuts: mysticcat: Original article HERE

Y'all do realize his family owns the largest for profit hospital company in the world, right? He stands to profit hugely from this.

That doesn't make him wrong. Biased? Yes. But not wrong.

No, but it is interesting how everyone in this thread so far has ignored this huge conflict of interest just because it fits their political views.

I live in Nashville where 3 of the top 4 and 7 of the top 15 biggest hospital companies are headquartered. If the ACA goes through, this town is going to make some fark-you money.

FWIW, I'm an MD and I'm all for universal coverage, conflict of interest and all.


But I was told that 86% of doctors will flat out quit if it's fully implemented. Why would the GOP lie to me like that?

/my gp is part of the other 14%
 
2012-07-18 03:50:46 PM
The individual mandate - that was their idea too.
 
2012-07-18 03:51:28 PM

Diogenes: mysticcat: give me doughnuts: mysticcat: Original article HERE

Y'all do realize his family owns the largest for profit hospital company in the world, right? He stands to profit hugely from this.

That doesn't make him wrong. Biased? Yes. But not wrong.

No, but it is interesting how everyone in this thread so far has ignored this huge conflict of interest just because it fits their political views.

I live in Nashville where 3 of the top 4 and 7 of the top 15 biggest hospital companies are headquartered. If the ACA goes through, this town is going to make some fark-you money.

FWIW, I'm an MD and I'm all for universal coverage, conflict of interest and all.

But I was told that 86% of doctors will flat out quit if it's fully implemented. Why would the GOP lie to me like that?

/my gp is part of the other 14%


I saw some crazy statistic like that, too.

Most physicians have mixed feelings about the ACA. It will mean an expansion of medicare, which is an unbelievable PITA to deal with but will also mean more people with commercial insurance which will expand the number of people coming to doctors. My practice is 2% medicare, so from a purely selfish standpoint, I think the ACA will increase my revenue a little, but not a lot. I also employ another physician and 24 nurses, so it will likely cost me some money, too.

Doctor are ALL cold-hearted bastards, though. I treat lots of folks without insurance and I'll discount the charges and tell them to pay what they can or I'll suspend charges while they have coverage gaps. I'm far from the only doc doing this sort of thing. After you see enough folks who are suffering and can't afford treatment, it hits home. Overall, I sleep better at night with a little less money in the bank and a little less suffering in the world.
 
2012-07-18 03:52:42 PM
AREN'T all....
 
2012-07-18 03:53:29 PM

impaler: The individual mandate - that was their idea too.


Yeah, but it was championed by those totes RINOs Bob Dole and Bob Packwood.
 
2012-07-18 03:55:34 PM

mysticcat: AREN'T all....


LULZ. I understood what you meant. My doc is like that. So's Grandma's dentist. The latter came back from a play in Manhattan on Christmas Eve to see my mom for some emergency once.
 
2012-07-18 04:06:51 PM

exick: Grand_Moff_Joseph: /how far gone are they when farking Bill Frist is a voice of sanity

Isn't this the same dude who claimed he could tell from watching her on TV (by the pixels?) that Terry Schiavo wasn't brain dead?


AND the guy who as a med student, lied at animal shelters to get adopted cats so he could vivisect & do experiments on them at home.

(I wish to God I was making that up. I truly do)
 
2012-07-18 04:08:15 PM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: You guys do realize he's an M.D., right?


So was Joseph Mengele......and Ron Paul for that matter.
 
2012-07-18 04:09:50 PM
Between that, and this, I'm wondering if members of the GOP are catching the Sanity Bug.

I'd like to think.
 
2012-07-18 04:10:17 PM

impaler: The individual mandate - that was their idea too.



I find this interesting, because just before this thread I was looking over the positions of a senate candidate here. Most politically informed people know that the mandate was a GOP idea, but don't talk about it for some reason. Even Democrats don't bring it up very much (outside of Fark at least). Then I read this candidates position:

Reforming health care

I believe that health care reform must focus on access to services and reduction of costs. I supported the Affordable Care Act, but understand that it is not perfect. I also support the principle of individual responsibility and the conservative idea of the individual mandate, as developed in 1989 by the Heritage Foundation. On average, 1 in 5 dollars in Maine is spent on health care - that is too much. Solutions must be found to fix this failing system in order to keep it from breaking completely and leaving Americans unable to afford the health services they need. As a country, we must reduce the cost of healthcare in part by moving toward outcome-based models of compensation, rather than fee-for-service. Further, there needs to be a much greater focus on primary and preventative care.


I swear my first thought was that he was trolling someone.
 
2012-07-18 04:11:43 PM
If the GOP would have spent the last 3 years pushing this as thier message instead of Tea Party obstructionist derp, they would have had a chance.
 
2012-07-18 04:12:09 PM

fracto73: impaler: The individual mandate - that was their idea too.


I find this interesting, because just before this thread I was looking over the positions of a senate candidate here. Most politically informed people know that the mandate was a GOP idea, but don't talk about it for some reason. Even Democrats don't bring it up very much (outside of Fark at least). Then I read this candidates position:

Reforming health care

I believe that health care reform must focus on access to services and reduction of costs. I supported the Affordable Care Act, but understand that it is not perfect. I also support the principle of individual responsibility and the conservative idea of the individual mandate, as developed in 1989 by the Heritage Foundation. On average, 1 in 5 dollars in Maine is spent on health care - that is too much. Solutions must be found to fix this failing system in order to keep it from breaking completely and leaving Americans unable to afford the health services they need. As a country, we must reduce the cost of healthcare in part by moving toward outcome-based models of compensation, rather than fee-for-service. Further, there needs to be a much greater focus on primary and preventative care.

I swear my first thought was that he was trolling someone.


Maine? Was this Snowe?
 
2012-07-18 04:13:06 PM

TV's Vinnie: exick: Grand_Moff_Joseph: /how far gone are they when farking Bill Frist is a voice of sanity

Isn't this the same dude who claimed he could tell from watching her on TV (by the pixels?) that Terry Schiavo wasn't brain dead?

AND the guy who as a med student, lied at animal shelters to get adopted cats so he could vivisect & do experiments on them at home.

(I wish to God I was making that up. I truly do)


Sooo...a guy that tortured animals is now part of the "more sane" GOP community?

Good Christ.
 
2012-07-18 04:15:15 PM

mysticcat: give me doughnuts: mysticcat: Original article HERE

Y'all do realize his family owns the largest for profit hospital company in the world, right? He stands to profit hugely from this.

That doesn't make him wrong. Biased? Yes. But not wrong.

No, but it is interesting how everyone in this thread so far has ignored this huge conflict of interest just because it fits their political views.

I live in Nashville where 3 of the top 4 and 7 of the top 15 biggest hospital companies are headquartered. If the ACA goes through, this town is going to make some fark-you money.

FWIW, I'm an MD and I'm all for universal coverage, conflict of interest and all.


One of the more depressing lessons I have learned after my time on the net at various forums is just how many people are all over the map as time goes on. First advocating one view, then advocating the reverse, and always describing people with an opposing view as horrible ignorant evil monsters, and all it seems, due to tribalism.

So yeah, Bill Frist is now rational, and is viewpoint has nothing to do with his role and ownership of HCA. Of course, just a few years ago, his ownership of HCA was an enormous source of stench, but no more.

I favor ACA -- I will probably need it. I would prefer a single payer universal plan and death to the insurance companies and certain death to coverage being linked to an employer. I know of way too many people stuck in jobs they dislike because otherwise they cannot get coverage, and I would prefer to see people taking employment or taking job creating risks without having to worry about health coverage.

I'm on the fence about Bill First -- let's see what he has to say about a single payer universal health care plan.
 
2012-07-18 04:15:43 PM

xanadian: fracto73: impaler: The individual mandate - that was their idea too.


I find this interesting, because just before this thread I was looking over the positions of a senate candidate here. Most politically informed people know that the mandate was a GOP idea, but don't talk about it for some reason. Even Democrats don't bring it up very much (outside of Fark at least). Then I read this candidates position:

Reforming health care

I believe that health care reform must focus on access to services and reduction of costs. I supported the Affordable Care Act, but understand that it is not perfect. I also support the principle of individual responsibility and the conservative idea of the individual mandate, as developed in 1989 by the Heritage Foundation. On average, 1 in 5 dollars in Maine is spent on health care - that is too much. Solutions must be found to fix this failing system in order to keep it from breaking completely and leaving Americans unable to afford the health services they need. As a country, we must reduce the cost of healthcare in part by moving toward outcome-based models of compensation, rather than fee-for-service. Further, there needs to be a much greater focus on primary and preventative care.

I swear my first thought was that he was trolling someone.

Maine? Was this Snowe?



Nope. Snowe is done. Her seat is open. This was Angus King. The guy who is most likely taking her seat.

His site if you are interested
 
2012-07-18 04:16:00 PM
Frist supports the exchanges as long as all diagnosis is done over VHS.
 
2012-07-18 04:18:51 PM

themindiswatching: They didn't forget, they're just pissed that a Democrat did it.


The Clinton Admin. in a nutshell
 
2012-07-18 04:19:57 PM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: You guys do realize he's an M.D., right?


Yeah, the cardiovascular surgeon who should have been disbarred for professionally expounding on Terri Schiavo's neurological condition.

Personally, out of all the messes of the Bush Jr era this one was the lowest of the low.
 
2012-07-18 04:21:58 PM
Sooner or later these doofuses have to wake up and smell the coffee. Their constituents want healthcare. If they want to remain in office they have to start listening to the people that got them there.

/ anyone remember George Wallace?
// get off my lawn!
 
2012-07-18 04:25:16 PM
These GOP states could have provided a model for other states to use, but no, they have to piss and moan about it.

Instead, you're going to only have models from the Blue States to base yours off of, but I honestly expect them to try something that has failed miserably, implemented poorly, and set up to fail.
 
2012-07-18 04:25:35 PM

the opposite of charity is justice: FlyingLizardOfDoom: You guys do realize he's an M.D., right?

Yeah, the cardiovascular surgeon who should have been disbarred for professionally expounding on Terri Schiavo's neurological condition.

Personally, out of all the messes of the Bush Jr era this one was the lowest of the low.


Disbarred? I didn't know that he was a lawyer.
 
2012-07-18 04:26:28 PM
Obamacare was the federal version of Romneycare, which was the state version of Nixoncare, which Democrats in the 70s rejected for being too conservative.

As the Chinese say, "May you live in retarded times."
 
2012-07-18 04:26:39 PM
Heraclitus

Sooner or later these doofuses have to wake up and smell the coffee. Their constituents want healthcare. If they want to remain in office they have to start listening to the people that got them there.

/ anyone remember George Wallace?
// get off my lawn!



No they don't....show me the carfax.
 
2012-07-18 04:27:26 PM

fracto73: xanadian: fracto73: impaler: The individual mandate - that was their idea too.


I find this interesting, because just before this thread I was looking over the positions of a senate candidate here. Most politically informed people know that the mandate was a GOP idea, but don't talk about it for some reason. Even Democrats don't bring it up very much (outside of Fark at least). Then I read this candidates position:

Reforming health care

I believe that health care reform must focus on access to services and reduction of costs. I supported the Affordable Care Act, but understand that it is not perfect. I also support the principle of individual responsibility and the conservative idea of the individual mandate, as developed in 1989 by the Heritage Foundation. On average, 1 in 5 dollars in Maine is spent on health care - that is too much. Solutions must be found to fix this failing system in order to keep it from breaking completely and leaving Americans unable to afford the health services they need. As a country, we must reduce the cost of healthcare in part by moving toward outcome-based models of compensation, rather than fee-for-service. Further, there needs to be a much greater focus on primary and preventative care.

I swear my first thought was that he was trolling someone.

Maine? Was this Snowe?


Nope. Snowe is done. Her seat is open. This was Angus King. The guy who is most likely taking her seat.

His site if you are interested


Nope, already been there, gonna vote for him. When you said "candidate," I didn't realize you meant PRESENT candidate.

Braining is hard for me today.
 
2012-07-18 04:27:41 PM

Heraclitus: Sooner or later these doofuses have to wake up and smell the coffee. Their constituents want healthcare. If they want to remain in office they have to start listening to the people that got them there.

/ anyone remember George Wallace?
// get off my lawn!


The problem is, Politicians are increasingly of the opinion that major donors are the people that get them there. And that will continue to be until money stops buying airtime and thus elections.
 
2012-07-18 04:27:48 PM
I'm Barack Obama and I approved this ad since I'm governing to the right of Richard Nixon.

/Enjoy your fascism, serfs.
 
2012-07-18 04:28:06 PM
^^^ THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU SPEND TOO MUCH TIME IN THE POLITICS TAB, PEOPLE ^^^

Learn from my mittakes and RUN WHILE YOU CAN!!!
 
2012-07-18 04:28:52 PM

meat0918: These GOP states could have provided a model for other states to use, but no, they have to piss and moan about it.

Instead, you're going to only have models from the Blue States to base yours off of, but I honestly expect them to try something that has failed miserably, implemented poorly, and set up to fail.


Oh, like their economies.
 
2012-07-18 04:30:11 PM

dickfreckle: It's truly farking sad when a guy like me catches himself longing for the days when Bill Frist was the biggest jerk on the right. If you had said to me back then, "It's going to get exponentially worse in less than a decade" I would have replied, "How much worse can it get? Are they going to start digging once they hit the bottom of the well?"

Well, they did.


They didn't just dig, they got Harry Stamper on the job with a high-speed drilling rig.
 
2012-07-18 04:31:26 PM

xanadian:
Nope, already been there, gonna vote for him. When you said "candidate," I didn't realize you meant PRESENT candidate.

Braining is hard for me today.



I didn't realize you were in Maine. I think King has my vote as well. Has he said who he will caucus with yet? It probably won't make much difference to me, but some of his statements make it seem unlikely that the GOP would welcome him.
 
2012-07-18 04:31:54 PM

mysticcat: Diogenes: mysticcat: give me doughnuts: mysticcat: Original article HERE

Y'all do realize his family owns the largest for profit hospital company in the world, right? He stands to profit hugely from this.

That doesn't make him wrong. Biased? Yes. But not wrong.

No, but it is interesting how everyone in this thread so far has ignored this huge conflict of interest just because it fits their political views.

I live in Nashville where 3 of the top 4 and 7 of the top 15 biggest hospital companies are headquartered. If the ACA goes through, this town is going to make some fark-you money.

FWIW, I'm an MD and I'm all for universal coverage, conflict of interest and all.

But I was told that 86% of doctors will flat out quit if it's fully implemented. Why would the GOP lie to me like that?

/my gp is part of the other 14%

I saw some crazy statistic like that, too.

Most physicians have mixed feelings about the ACA. It will mean an expansion of medicare, which is an unbelievable PITA to deal with but will also mean more people with commercial insurance which will expand the number of people coming to doctors. My practice is 2% medicare, so from a purely selfish standpoint, I think the ACA will increase my revenue a little, but not a lot. I also employ another physician and 24 nurses, so it will likely cost me some money, too.

Doctor are ALL cold-hearted bastards, though. I treat lots of folks without insurance and I'll discount the charges and tell them to pay what they can or I'll suspend charges while they have coverage gaps. I'm far from the only doc doing this sort of thing. After you see enough folks who are suffering and can't afford treatment, it hits home. Overall, I sleep better at night with a little less money in the bank and a little less suffering in the world.


This reaffirms my decision to have your posts displayed in a pleasing shade of light green.
 
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