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2012-07-18 12:54:46 PM
"Authorities said the children were taken into the custody of Child Protective Services Wednesday."

Well then, at least the couple can get some of the sleep they are clearly deprived of. But FELONY charges?!?
 
2012-07-18 02:00:28 PM
"a woman who works for a home health agency"

But how healthy are the homes?
 
2012-07-18 02:05:29 PM
The loot

Richard Dale Culley and Tammy Ann Hudson

The warrant

23-year-old and 22-year-old parents of two toddlers

Annnnd the payoff

the mobile home

It's official. The coffee I just drank lets me know what's in an article without actually reading all of it. I can see the future, man.
 
2012-07-18 02:07:49 PM
I'm just amazed that we were screened more for adopting a dog then we were when we had a child.

/we weren't screened at all for the child.
 
2012-07-18 02:11:01 PM

pounddawg: I'm just amazed that we were screened more for adopting a dog then we were when we had a child.

/we weren't screened at all for the child.


The pet adoption people are screening for potential pet owners who understand the burdens of ownership, take it seriously and will provide whatever environment they think is fittest. In other words, they are choosing people like themselves.

Put a government agency in charge of screening pregnancies, remember who owns the government and follow that throught through to its natural conclusion.
 
2012-07-18 02:12:01 PM
I suppose it is unfortunate that we can't pre-screen potential parents, but the alternative is pretty hard to see as anything other than much worse. When it comes to civil liberties there's no sense in throwing out the baby with the bathwater....



/sorry
 
2012-07-18 02:13:38 PM
3rd to last line in tfa: They were unaware the girls had left the mobile home.

Explains a lot. Would that not be considered burying the lead?
 
2012-07-18 02:15:45 PM

Flakeloaf: pounddawg: I'm just amazed that we were screened more for adopting a dog then we were when we had a child.

/we weren't screened at all for the child.

The pet adoption people are screening for potential pet owners who understand the burdens of ownership, take it seriously and will provide whatever environment they think is fittest. In other words, they are choosing people like themselves.

Put a government agency in charge of screening pregnancies, remember who owns the government and follow that throught through to its natural conclusion.


All the compassion of the IRS and all the knowledge of the DMV?

/what do I win?
 
2012-07-18 02:16:21 PM
Two toddlers are an ongoing handful and everyone needs a piece of ass now and then.
But still.

/Full-time parent of two toddlers, so I can sympathize mildly.
//They're poor trailer trash, so why not hit 'em with FELONY charges, right?
///Serfs need to be put in their places, right?
////But that mommy in the suburbs who's strung out on Diet Coke and Xanax just parks the kids in front of Sprouts or Disney Channel while she surfs her Well Endowed Dating site is all good.
 
2012-07-18 02:19:30 PM
Bad Journalism is bad.

From this article I could see two realities as just as likely.

An honest and terrible mistake that ruins this family of hardworking Americans who couldn't afford to fix the door on their trailer because they are having a rough economic patch and just trying to get by. The stress of providing for children during these bleak times led to exhaustion and they fell asleep and were so soundly asleep they did not wake when the youngsters did as is usually the case.

OR

The fumes from their meth lab overpowered the family and being younger and thus having functioning livers and kidneys that have not been damaged due to many years of substance abuse the toddlers were able to recover and awaken before their parents.
 
2012-07-18 02:20:44 PM
TFA reads like a pair of otherwise average parents who made a single mistake at the same time the three year old figured out how to open the front door.

Or they are a pair of irresponsible welfare queens who should be locked up. Or someplace in the middle.

Story needs more gunfire and drug use. 3/10
 
2012-07-18 02:24:19 PM
Chain on door keeps most toddlers in (notice I did say "most" - YMMV).

Had to get a new chain for each kid, but well worth the $3.95 I spent each time.
 
2012-07-18 02:31:21 PM
My eldest did this to us, twice, when he was about 3, while we were living in an apartment. The first time, he opened the sliding glass door and wandered off. He was only gone for about 30 min before we woke up and realized he was gone. The cops were called and we did get a visit from Child Services, but by the time they visited, I had installed better locks. Two weeks later, he climbed onto a chair and unlocked the front door to get out. We woke up, noticed he was gone again and called the cops. This time I bought battery powered alarms and installed them on all the doors and windows. (The apartment company wasn't very happy about it but we didn't care.) The second visit from Child Services was as equally uneventful and removal of custody or neglect charges were never even mentioned.
The article probably left out some key details like possibly drug paraphernalia, previous charges, or obvious signs of neglect and abuse, because felony charges of neglect after a single incident of the kids wandering off sounds way too harsh.
 
2012-07-18 02:39:32 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Two toddlers are an ongoing handful and everyone needs a piece of ass now and then.
But still.
/But that mommy in the suburbs who's strung out on Diet Coke and Xanax just parks the kids in front of Sprouts or Disney Channel while she surfs her Well Endowed Dating site is all good.


Mine love Sprout and Disney channel while I surf Fark. But I prefer Dr. Pepper and Klonopin.
 
2012-07-18 02:42:50 PM
there MUST be something more to this story. you fall asleep (pass out?) and the kids take it upon themselves to leave so you get hit with a felony? really?
 
2012-07-18 02:43:34 PM
Jixa:
The second visit from Child Services was as equally uneventful and removal of custody or neglect charges were never even mentioned.

No doubt you came across as sharing the middle-class values that CPS filters all parenting through, unlike the poor suckers in TFA, who are now going to be FELONS because they allowed two toddlers to run them to exhaustion and then keep right on going. Those bastards, how dare they be poor and not have the resources or time to thoroughly child-proof a rickety mobile home.

(I'm not blaming you for this, Jixa. You just walked into my cone of snark, make a saving throw vs. breath weapon)
 
2012-07-18 02:47:41 PM

mama2tnt: Chain on door keeps most toddlers in (notice I did say "most" - YMMV).

Had to get a new chain for each kid, but well worth the $3.95 I spent each time.


I have an autistic son that loved to go exploring the neighborhood at 5:00AM. I ended up putting deadbolts on the inside to keep him from wandering.
 
2012-07-18 02:53:13 PM

fickle floridian: I suppose it is unfortunate that we can't pre-screen potential parents, but the alternative is pretty hard to see as anything other than much worse.


I disagree. I say we require having a government-funded vasectomy/hysterectomy before being eligible for welfare. Bam, problem fixed.
 
2012-07-18 02:54:27 PM
My daughter is just now able to to reach the door handles so I am getting a kick out of these replies....

Seriously, though, I escaped the house as a toddler while my parents were sleeping, got into the car, released the parking brake and rolled it down the driveway. My parents woke up just as I was jumping out of the moving car. My dad barely stopped it from rolling into the street. They were also age 22 and 23 when this happened, and poor, so I'm sure they would have gotten the book thrown at them had anyone ever found out.

/css
//toddlers are crazy.
 
2012-07-18 02:55:56 PM
Overzealous staffer.
 
b3x
2012-07-18 02:56:07 PM
i wish my kids would be that quiet when i was sleeping ...

my 20 month old can open a door. A chain on the door does do wonders, until they are tall enough to reach it by standing on a chair they pushed over to it.

put a bar up high on sliding glass doors too
 
2012-07-18 02:56:15 PM
Our two got away once. The boy opened the back door and yard gate and they were both off into the playground out back. They didn't go far or for long, thank goodness.

/Deadbolts are tight.
//Teevee is colorful.
 
2012-07-18 02:57:57 PM

umad: fickle floridian: I suppose it is unfortunate that we can't pre-screen potential parents, but the alternative is pretty hard to see as anything other than much worse.

I disagree. I say we require having a government-funded vasectomy/hysterectomy before being eligible for welfare. Bam, problem fixed.


Your eugenics are showing.
 
2012-07-18 02:59:47 PM
You know, I'm going to say that I can see this scenario happening with perfectly decent parents. Mistakes can occur. I don't see how what's in the article would warrant removal of the children or felony charges. If there's more to the story, I'd like to hear it.
 
2012-07-18 03:04:06 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: umad: fickle floridian: I suppose it is unfortunate that we can't pre-screen potential parents, but the alternative is pretty hard to see as anything other than much worse.

I disagree. I say we require having a government-funded vasectomy/hysterectomy before being eligible for welfare. Bam, problem fixed.

Your eugenics are showing.


I don't care. They aren't going to suddenly decide to be responsible, so why even give them a choice? Act like an animal and you will be treated like one.
 
2012-07-18 03:05:55 PM

Cyclometh: You know, I'm going to say that I can see this scenario happening with perfectly decent parents. Mistakes can occur. I don't see how what's in the article would warrant removal of the children or felony charges. If there's more to the story, I'd like to hear it.


I admit that I read "trailer" and I thought "They just HAD to put that in there, didn't they?"

Because without that word, it sounds like something almost any parent goes through.

/Except for me. I got the clingy kid
//That's not an improvement
 
2012-07-18 03:15:38 PM
At least they weren't dancing on the air conditioner.
 
2012-07-18 03:16:38 PM
Why are so many Tammys mobile home dwellers?
 
2012-07-18 03:17:19 PM
My two boys were both early risers and escape artists. First it was unlocking the door to wander and so I added a chain. They drug stools, boxes, chairs over to undo the chain. Bought wireless magnetic chimes for the 2 exterior doors and a pin at the top of the sliding patio door. That stopped the visits from the Sheriff's Deputies until they dialed 911 for fun a few years ago.

I am raising 2 Calvin clones despite my best efforts.
 
2012-07-18 03:27:54 PM
Martin said a woman who works for a home health agency was outside her client's home when she spotted the girls in the road and rushed to stop traffic before bringing them into the residence.

I hope they didn't fall asleep. She could be charged with kid napping.
 
2012-07-18 03:34:43 PM

InternetSecurityGuard: Martin said a woman who works for a home health agency was outside her client's home when she spotted the girls in the road and rushed to stop traffic before bringing them into the residence.

I hope they didn't fall asleep. She could be charged with kid napping.


+eleventy!
 
2012-07-18 03:36:20 PM
23-year-old Richard Dale Culley - CHECK
22-year-old Tammy Ann Hudson - CHECK
two toddler girls, ages 2 and 3 - CHECK
a nearby mobile home - CHECK
Location: Rural Virginia - CHECK

Boys, looks like we may be dealin' with a couple of redneck here.
 
2012-07-18 03:41:33 PM

pounddawg: I'm just amazed that we were screened more for adopting a dog then we were when we had a child.

/we weren't screened at all for the child.


Hypothetically, what would the penalty be for having a child if you failed the screening?


arresting the parents or the child?
 
2012-07-18 03:50:49 PM

janeuner: TFA reads like a pair of otherwise average parents who made a single mistake at the same time the three year old figured out how to open the front door.

Or they are a pair of irresponsible welfare queens who should be locked up. Or someplace in the middle.

Story needs more gunfire and drug use. 3/10



My sister managed to get the door open when she was two and took off down the street. Problem it was winter in minnesota and she was only wearing her shirt and diaper. Thankfully a couple grabbed her. About five minutes later they found my dad running down the street freaking out. Child services where not called.
 
2012-07-18 03:58:11 PM
Toddlers like to explore the world. My wife fell asleep on the couch and our kid made it a quarter mile before someone saw her and brought her home. My sister's kid has been known to steal toys from as much as half a mile away (presumed. They haven't found the rightful owners of half the things he brings home. He's almost 3.) And I walked away from a babysitter when I was 2. I made it over a mile before I was returned to face justice. If you have toddlers and aren't exhausted, it's probably because you can afford to pay a nanny to watch them so you can get a full night's sleep.
 
2012-07-18 04:01:41 PM

NewWorldDan: Toddlers like to explore the world. My wife fell asleep on the couch and our kid made it a quarter mile before someone saw her and brought her home. My sister's kid has been known to steal toys from as much as half a mile away (presumed. They haven't found the rightful owners of half the things he brings home. He's almost 3.) And I walked away from a babysitter when I was 2. I made it over a mile before I was returned to face justice. If you have toddlers and aren't exhausted, it's probably because you can afford to pay a nanny to watch them so you can get a full night's sleep.


My little sister wondered off when she was just about 2 and a half. She stopped at a farm house about two miles away to ask for a drink of water and her little adventure was over. Mom was frantically looking for her, but, hey, that takes time. Kids do this all the time. I suspect the arrest of these parents had a bit more to do with other factors than a wondering toddler.
 
2012-07-18 04:18:26 PM

Jixa: My eldest did this to us, twice, when he was about 3, while we were living in an apartment. The first time, he opened the sliding glass door and wandered off. He was only gone for about 30 min before we woke up and realized he was gone. The cops were called and we did get a visit from Child Services, but by the time they visited, I had installed better locks. Two weeks later, he climbed onto a chair and unlocked the front door to get out. We woke up, noticed he was gone again and called the cops. This time I bought battery powered alarms and installed them on all the doors and windows. (The apartment company wasn't very happy about it but we didn't care.) The second visit from Child Services was as equally uneventful and removal of custody or neglect charges were never even mentioned.
The article probably left out some key details like possibly drug paraphernalia, previous charges, or obvious signs of neglect and abuse, because felony charges of neglect after a single incident of the kids wandering off sounds way too harsh.


Former CPS here. You were lucky you got someone with a bit of sense. Honestly it depends in how bad the worker wants to witch hunt.
 
2012-07-18 04:19:22 PM
My nephew takes after me. I was the family escape artist until he came along. My sister was taking a nap with him and his twin sister upstairs. He manged to get past 2 baby gates and a flight of stairs, past his dad sleeping on the couch and into the kitchen where he ate a bag of hersey kisses. My BiL thought it was the dog rummaging around in the kitchen. I have a great picture of my nephew on the floor, chocolate all over his face surounded by kiss wrappers.

Now his sister is like me in that she likes to sleep in weird places and that has had the police called once. She likes sleeping in closets, behind couches anywhere it will be hard to find is where she sleeps.
 
2012-07-18 04:20:02 PM

umad: fickle floridian: I suppose it is unfortunate that we can't pre-screen potential parents, but the alternative is pretty hard to see as anything other than much worse.

I disagree. I say we require having a government-funded vasectomy/hysterectomy before being eligible for welfare. Bam, problem fixed.


I am ok with this.
 
2012-07-18 04:24:21 PM

Calehedron: My two boys were both early risers and escape artists. First it was unlocking the door to wander and so I added a chain. They drug stools, boxes, chairs over to undo the chain. Bought wireless magnetic chimes for the 2 exterior doors and a pin at the top of the sliding patio door. That stopped the visits from the Sheriff's Deputies until they dialed 911 for fun a few years ago.

I am raising 2 Calvin clones despite my best efforts.


Best line from "The Change Up"
When other people's kids act badly it's because of poor parenting. When your kids misbehave it's because they need a nap or are going through a phase.
 
2012-07-18 04:31:51 PM
Parent of a two year old here. I've taken exactly zero naps since my son was born. Too many friggin things to do to even think of closing my eyes during the daytime.
 
2012-07-18 04:40:38 PM
There must be more to this than the article is not reporting.

Why were the parents asleep during the day, is it because they were up all night or were they on drugs?
Was there signs of abuse if not why were the children taken into care?
There has to be more to this or I can see these parents sueing.
 
2012-07-18 04:55:07 PM
I found a baby in the road in a rural area one time. He was about 15 months old, still quite the teetering tot. I kept asking him "Wheres momma?" and he pointed to a house about a quarter mile up the road. His parents didn't know he was missing, Toddlers are escape artists.
 
2012-07-18 05:01:08 PM
This happened to us twice with our youngest.

On one occasion, we had left them in the care of their grandmother. She nodded off while sitting on the sofa and he wandered out the front door and down the street.

On the second occasion, we were on a family vacation and the hotel had us in the handicap room. The latch on the door was closer to the floor (for wheelchair accessibility). Our toddler got up in the middle of the night to use the bathroom, undid the latch, and wandered out the hotel door and down the hallway. Fortunately the sound of the door woke me up and I had to go chase after him (in my underwear).

This kind of stuff can happen to anyone. I sincerely hope the felony charges are for something else, but based on the article it sounds like it's because they're poor living in a state where CPS gets kickbacks for yanking kids out (there are a few of them).
 
2012-07-18 05:15:03 PM

umad: HotIgneous Intruder: umad: fickle floridian: I suppose it is unfortunate that we can't pre-screen potential parents, but the alternative is pretty hard to see as anything other than much worse.

I disagree. I say we require having a government-funded vasectomy/hysterectomy before being eligible for welfare. Bam, problem fixed.

Your eugenics are showing.

I don't care. They aren't going to suddenly decide to be responsible, so why even give them a choice? Act like an animal and you will be treated like one.


fark you. Advocating the extermination of certain classes of people based on your perceived superiority is abominable. We're all animals, whether we choose to admit it to ourselves, or not. You are not some "enlightened one" because you were born into a better situation than others. Remember: The world needs strippers and waitresses and ditch-diggers, too. Oh yeah, and the chance that they might actually grow up to shun their parents lifestyles and, you know, make something productive out of themselves.

Sure, we have problems in this world right now, but advocating forced sterilization makes you sound like, well, I think you know. Now go have a good laugh with your buddies about effectively suggesting we kill off primarily minorities and other groups who live differently than you, racist.
 
2012-07-18 05:19:00 PM

mjohnson71: Parent of a two year old here. I've taken exactly zero naps since my son was born. Too many friggin things to do to even think of closing my eyes during the daytime.


I'm a stay at home dad to a 24 month old and graduate student and trying to hold the house together with duck tape and bailing wire while the wife is at work. As someone who got laid off 2 years ago and spend 14 months looking for work and being a stay at home dad until deciding to go back to school I understand.. Fark man, the economy has be heading towards the toilet since 2000. It hasn't gotten any better and just keeps getting worse (this shiat transcends who's in office.) I'm not going to say anything about their economic condition.

My two year old can't open the doors they way I've got them right now, but it's just a matter of time before she figures them out. Chains at close to 5 1/2 feet up or dual key deadbolts may become necessary soon.

I've not slept a wink in months. The kid gets a nap, but I'm cleaning up after whatever meal she just had, doing homework, or fixing something in the house. I know in Florida if this happened they'd throw the damn book at me, it's the way this farkin state is. I could see my kid undoing the door, saying 'Slides' and going for a walk to the park. She knows the way and leads us there every night.

I feel bad for this couple first time of sleep together and they get woken up by cops because their kids escaped. If there's something more such as drugs, I understand (but think the presence of a bong isn't going to kill a kid - the cops kicking in the door will though.)

If things get any worse we may have to sell the house and move to a trailer like every other Floridian. Economic shifts happen, from 3 - 36, I've lived in 2 trailers, 3 suburban rentals houses, 4 suburban $200K+ houses (at about current market prices) and more college apartments than I care to count.

If there's a Family Services history, that's a different story and wasn't mentioned in the article. Right now, I'm siding with the parents, even if they had a bong in the bedroom.
 
2012-07-18 05:19:42 PM
so, nap is the new word for sex. didn't know that.
 
2012-07-18 05:24:00 PM
With a 2 year old, parental naps win over sex.... Seriously. sex would be nice, a nap would be better.
 
2012-07-18 05:36:09 PM

drayno76: With a 2 year old, parental naps win over sex.... Seriously. sex would be nice, a nap would be better.


When I was a child, I could not imagine why people would take a nap with so much to see and do in the world. As a parent, I can not imagine a time when I did not want to take a nap.
 
2012-07-18 05:49:50 PM

pounddawg: I'm just amazed that we were screened more for adopting a dog then we were when we had a child.

/we weren't screened at all for the child.


Try adopting a child like you did the dog. They'll screen you then.

If you can make your own dog like you can a kid, you won't be screened for that.

\Unless one of the neighbors sees

//Getting ready to go through the second screening for adoption.
 
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