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(Washington Post)   US Dept of Education to Penn State: You folks remember The Clery Act? The federal law that requires you to report crimes that happen on campus and lets us fine the bejesus out of you if you don't? Yeah, about that   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 206
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2012-07-18 09:43:07 AM
Take 'em down. They should go after the pensions of the people that covered this up as well.
 
2012-07-18 09:53:11 AM

AbbeySomeone: Take 'em down. They should go after the pensions of the people that covered this up as well.


Seriously. Fark everyone involved, and fark the football morons who have been defending them form day one, terrified that their beloved sports program might be taken away over a widdle bitty pedophile rape cover-up scandal.
 
2012-07-18 12:01:10 PM
good.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-07-18 12:13:24 PM
The ultimate penalty under the law is loss of federal aid funding. Officials have never gone that far, instead imposing fines of up to $27,500 per violation.

$27,500 times a hundred violations would be a trivial amount compared to projected civil liability. Loss of federal aid would be comparable. The financial incentives say stop it immediately or cover it up forever.
 
2012-07-18 12:13:55 PM
Internet lynch mob party at my place!

Suck it, Penn State!
 
2012-07-18 12:35:53 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Internet lynch mob party at my place!

Suck it, Penn State!


I'd rather participate in an internet lynch mob than protect a culture of institutionalized compliance with serial child rape.

I'm quirky that way.
 
2012-07-18 12:41:59 PM

ZAZ: Loss of federal aid would be comparable.


Loss of federal aid could damn near shut down the school.

I'm fine with completely dismantling the football team, but I don't think the actual education should be affected. The cover-up wasn't to protect an education program that became too powerful, it was about protecting a football program that became way too powerful.
 
2012-07-18 12:48:52 PM

ZAZ: Loss of federal aid would be comparable.


That has never once happened for Cleary act or FERPA violations.

Hell, that didn't even happen to the for-profit schools that had a 35% default rate, because their Congressional backers got them put on "probation".

Once you get federal aid, you basically have to shoot all the students and run away with the Pell grant money before you lose it.
 
2012-07-18 12:52:40 PM

doyner: The My Little Pony Killer: Internet lynch mob party at my place!

Suck it, Penn State!

I'd rather participate in an internet lynch mob than protect a culture of institutionalized compliance with serial child rape.

I'm quirky that way.


We can be weirdos together!
 
2012-07-18 12:55:09 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: We can be weirdos together!


OK!

Just don't touch me.
 
2012-07-18 01:06:37 PM
If there is any justice in the world, Penn State will be bankrupted by the fines and the civil cases.
 
2012-07-18 01:07:01 PM
Let me add to the dogpile.

Good, fark them up the ass
// or some such that's non-rapey is good as well
 
2012-07-18 01:07:54 PM
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2012-07-18 01:11:07 PM
But... but... we never thought you'd find out!
 
2012-07-18 01:13:07 PM

what_now: ZAZ: Loss of federal aid would be comparable.

That has never once happened for Cleary act or FERPA violations.


You really have to wonder what it would take for punishment to come to that. A campus forming an armed militia and declaring it's independence from the United States?
 
2012-07-18 01:13:28 PM
ftfa: Three Penn State officials - Schultz, President Graham Spanier and Athletic Director Tim Curley - agreed over e-mail to advise Sandusky to seek "professional help" and bar him from bringing children to campus, among other things. In agreeing to this plan, Spanier wrote that the "only downside for us is if the message isn't 'heard' and acted upon, and we then become vulnerable for not having reported it."

Sounds like they make a judgment call. For better or worse it turned out horribly for parties not involved in the decision process -- let them own up to it and pay dearly for it
 
2012-07-18 01:14:10 PM
Jopa's legacy: The complete and total destruction of a university and the surrounding town. All for a game.
 
2012-07-18 01:16:14 PM
instead imposing fines of up to $27,500 per violation

Nice troll, subby.
 
2012-07-18 01:16:44 PM

scottydoesntknow: ZAZ: Loss of federal aid would be comparable.

Loss of federal aid could damn near shut down the school.

I'm fine with completely dismantling the football team, but I don't think the actual education should be affected. The cover-up wasn't to protect an education program that became too powerful, it was about protecting a football program that became way too powerful.


The people on the board should have thought about that before they risked the entire school to protect an old pedophile...

I do hope that everyone involved is prosecuted, I hope the NCAA shuts down the football program, I hope they pull federal aid, and they should tap the assets of the university to go to the victims and their families for relocation and counseling.
 
2012-07-18 01:16:49 PM

arenaninja: ftfa: Three Penn State officials - Schultz, President Graham Spanier and Athletic Director Tim Curley - agreed over e-mail to advise Sandusky to seek "professional help" and bar him from bringing children to campus, among other things. In agreeing to this plan, Spanier wrote that the "only downside for us is if the message isn't 'heard' and acted upon, and we then become vulnerable for not having reported it."

Sounds like they make a judgment call. For better or worse it turned out horribly for parties not involved in the decision process -- let them own up to it and pay dearly for it


Since when is accessory after the fact a "judgement call"?
 
2012-07-18 01:17:33 PM
Just curious, how many people happy that the US Dept of Education might take away all of PSU's federal funding are the same people who argue that the US DOE should be dismantled?
 
2012-07-18 01:18:32 PM

scottydoesntknow: ZAZ: Loss of federal aid would be comparable.

Loss of federal aid could damn near shut down the school.

I'm fine with completely dismantling the football team, but I don't think the actual education should be affected. The cover-up wasn't to protect an education program that became too powerful, it was about protecting a football program that became way too powerful.


With Sandusky in prison, his family will miss him. Why should they pay for his crimes? They should let him go.
 
2012-07-18 01:19:45 PM
Obviously, this is evidence that the NCAA should give the football program the death penalty and retroactively make Sarah Palin president.
 
2012-07-18 01:21:35 PM

oldweevil: Obviously, this is evidence that the NCAA should give the football program the death penalty and retroactively make Sarah Palin president.


sarah palin is a pedophile?
 
2012-07-18 01:22:24 PM
I'm looking forward to the Penn State football games this year and see the awesome signs the fans of the opposing teams come up with.
 
2012-07-18 01:22:31 PM
Anyone else read that as Celery Act??
mattmorgan.typepad.com


/must be off mah meds today
 
2012-07-18 01:23:42 PM

Weaver95: oldweevil: Obviously, this is evidence that the NCAA should give the football program the death penalty and retroactively make Sarah Palin president.

sarah palin is a pedophile?


Probably not, but the NCAA has no more business interfering in presidential elections than they do attempting to penalize a member university for a criminal offense.
 
2012-07-18 01:24:55 PM

arenaninja: In agreeing to this plan, Spanier wrote that the "only downside for us is if the message isn't 'heard' and acted upon, and we then become vulnerable for not having reported it."


The other downside to that plan is if the message isn't 'heard', a bunch more boys will be molested.

But mainly the liability thing about reporting.
 
2012-07-18 01:27:10 PM
Having a Penn State degree now would be toxic to have on a resume or in your records. If I were a student, I'd be talking to a lawyer about this.
 
2012-07-18 01:27:45 PM

Tigger: arenaninja: ftfa: Three Penn State officials - Schultz, President Graham Spanier and Athletic Director Tim Curley - agreed over e-mail to advise Sandusky to seek "professional help" and bar him from bringing children to campus, among other things. In agreeing to this plan, Spanier wrote that the "only downside for us is if the message isn't 'heard' and acted upon, and we then become vulnerable for not having reported it."

Sounds like they make a judgment call. For better or worse it turned out horribly for parties not involved in the decision process -- let them own up to it and pay dearly for it

Since when is accessory after the fact a "judgement call"?


I understand what you're saying but from what the article says, it was concluded that there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute. Whether the investigation was obfuscated is another matter entirely, but we can't retroactively apply accessory when it wasn't originally prosecuted
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-07-18 01:29:50 PM
According to speculation in the press the school will end up paying $100 million of a $1 billion endowment to make this go away.
 
2012-07-18 01:30:01 PM
NCAA should suspend Penn Sate from Football for 5 years and the University should lose all federal funding.

Only then will other football programs realize how serious this shiat is, how much more important the crimes of raping little children are than football.
 
2012-07-18 01:30:58 PM
Penn State Nittany Lions football 1887-2012 R.I.P.
 
2012-07-18 01:33:11 PM

arenaninja: Tigger: arenaninja: ftfa: Three Penn State officials - Schultz, President Graham Spanier and Athletic Director Tim Curley - agreed over e-mail to advise Sandusky to seek "professional help" and bar him from bringing children to campus, among other things. In agreeing to this plan, Spanier wrote that the "only downside for us is if the message isn't 'heard' and acted upon, and we then become vulnerable for not having reported it."

Sounds like they make a judgment call. For better or worse it turned out horribly for parties not involved in the decision process -- let them own up to it and pay dearly for it

Since when is accessory after the fact a "judgement call"?

I understand what you're saying but from what the article says, it was concluded that there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute. Whether the investigation was obfuscated is another matter entirely, but we can't retroactively apply accessory when it wasn't originally prosecuted


I might be genuinely confused here but who concluded there was not enough evidence to prosecute.

Because the point of view that matters on that is the DA. Who didn't have the evidence. Precisely because they were hiding it.
 
2012-07-18 01:33:39 PM

ShadowLAnCeR: Jopa's legacy: The complete and total destruction of a university and the surrounding town. All for a game.


www.destgulch.com

And here ya are, and it's a beautiful day. Well. I just don't understand it.
 
2012-07-18 01:36:14 PM
*hops on the internet lynch train*
 
2012-07-18 01:36:42 PM

arenaninja: I understand what you're saying but from what the article says, it was concluded that there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute. Whether the investigation was obfuscated is another matter entirely, but we can't retroactively apply accessory when it wasn't originally prosecuted


Are you suggesting that Schultz, Spanier and Curley are the people who get to decide whether or not there's enough evidence to prosecute an individual?
 
2012-07-18 01:42:04 PM

Tigger: arenaninja: Tigger: arenaninja: ftfa: Three Penn State officials - Schultz, President Graham Spanier and Athletic Director Tim Curley - agreed over e-mail to advise Sandusky to seek "professional help" and bar him from bringing children to campus, among other things. In agreeing to this plan, Spanier wrote that the "only downside for us is if the message isn't 'heard' and acted upon, and we then become vulnerable for not having reported it."

Sounds like they make a judgment call. For better or worse it turned out horribly for parties not involved in the decision process -- let them own up to it and pay dearly for it

Since when is accessory after the fact a "judgement call"?

I understand what you're saying but from what the article says, it was concluded that there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute. Whether the investigation was obfuscated is another matter entirely, but we can't retroactively apply accessory when it wasn't originally prosecuted

I might be genuinely confused here but who concluded there was not enough evidence to prosecute.

Because the point of view that matters on that is the DA. Who didn't have the evidence. Precisely because they were hiding it.



Right here:

ftfa: Penn State Police Chief Thomas Harmon e-mailed Gary Schultz, a vice president who oversaw the police department, writing: "We're going to hold off on making any crime log entry. At this point in time I can justify that decision because of the lack of clear evidence of a crime." Charges were never filed.

As you say, it should be the DA's discretion, and this Police Chief should be investigated for whatever other incidents he covered up. The government seems to have it bad for Penn State, so I'm sure they'll get what's coming to them. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that at least some of this is coming from the president's orders, he is a huge college football fan after all
 
2012-07-18 01:42:57 PM
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There is no reason to go to Penn State given this; plenty of other universities to send your kid to, they offer nothing other universities do not (well, maybe Pedophilia 101). Penn State needs to assist kids in transferring who want to be away from the shiatstorm to come in "Happy Valley".
 
2012-07-18 01:44:06 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Internet lynch mob party at my place!

Suck it, Penn State!


Lynching is an extrajudicial execution carried out by a mob, often by hanging, but also by burning at the stake or shooting, in order to punish an alleged transgressor, or to intimidate, control, or otherwise manipulate a population of people. It is related to other means of social control that arise in communities, such as charivari, riding the rail, and tarring and feathering. Lynchings have been more frequent in times of social and economic tension, and have often been the means used by the politically dominant population to oppress social challengers.

Is lynch mob the right term if it is just?
 
2012-07-18 01:44:19 PM
If the NCAA doesn't give this university the death penalty, I think all the concurrent investigations and lawsuits will.
 
2012-07-18 01:45:01 PM

arenaninja: it was concluded that there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute


If only there was some authority dedicated to making such decisions on behalf of society and victims. An office isolated from the organization and personnel directly involved in the alleged crimes. An office with the authority and resources to competently investigate such allegations. Something like that would be really useful when making "judgement calls" like these.
 
2012-07-18 01:48:17 PM
I think the NCAA should shut down the football program for 2 years or ban them from post season games for 5. If this cover up went to the higher-ups at the school then they should also ban the rest of the school's sports teams from post season play for as long as the football program is penalized.
 
2012-07-18 01:48:17 PM

ShadowLAnCeR: Jopa's legacy: The complete and total destruction of a university and the surrounding town. All for a game.


I wish he was here to see it. I really do.
 
2012-07-18 01:48:36 PM
Wasn't there enough probing at Penn State?
 
2012-07-18 01:48:49 PM
I don't know who did the worse thing -- Sandusky or those who enabled him. All the people involved should rot in jail. That said, there are lots of good people at Penn St who are horrified and grieving for the victims. The faculty in the English dept didn't do anything wrong. The students in the engineering school didn't know anything about it. Indeed, the football players didn't do anything wrong. Punish the guilty, not the innocent. It will be hard to be surgical, but that should be the goal.
 
2012-07-18 01:49:20 PM
This is not going to go anywhere.

FTA: . . .compliance with the Clery Act, which requires prompt public alerts of safety threats, annual disclosure of crime statistics and other steps to protect campus communities. . .

There were no safety threats as there were no allegations at the time.

No convictions existed so it would not be in the crime statistics.

What other steps are they referring to in protecting campus communities? Also, none of his victims were college age and thus were not part of the "campus"

/ooh. . .sweaty and steamy old man on young boy shower action
//GO PENN STATE
 
2012-07-18 01:49:35 PM
Ban Pen State from all sports f

Balder333: NCAA should suspend Penn Sate from Football for 5 years and the University should lose all federal funding.

Only then will other football programs realize how serious this shiat is, how much more important the crimes of raping little children are than football.


Give it 10. Get them off the football gravy train and concentrate on academics.
 
2012-07-18 01:50:08 PM
Anyone else keep reading Clery Act as Clergy Act?

/Law should apply to them too.
 
2012-07-18 01:50:12 PM

oldweevil: he NCAA has no more business interfering in presidential elections than they do attempting to penalize a member university for a criminal offense.


It's not an individual that's the problem. It's the organizational coverup. And such things have in fact brought down presidents, let alone some ridiculous self-important sports program.
 
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