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(Washington Post)   US Dept of Education to Penn State: You folks remember The Clery Act? The federal law that requires you to report crimes that happen on campus and lets us fine the bejesus out of you if you don't? Yeah, about that   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 206
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2012-07-18 02:49:11 PM

oldweevil: jso2897: A number of people ITT seem to be confused as to the function of the social tool we call "punishment". They seem to think that it is exclusively provided to obtain "justice" or "fairness" (whatever they might conceive that to be). It is not.
Socially, it serves a more important purpose - deterrence. We punish people for doing bad things so that they won't do it again, and so that others will see, and not wish to emulate them. And this requires a punishment that extracts more from the miscreant than he gained by his act.
In this situation, if only the immediately "guilty" are punished, nothing will change. A few people will be weeded out and fed to the lions, and business as usual will continue.
The institution that allowed this to go on must be shown that there is no profit in that - that it costs more than it gains. To do otherwise would be the equivalent of jailing a bank robber, but allowing his wife to keep the loot he brought home to her, lest his poor children starve.
It must be shown to the world that we will not allow an institution to profit from this sort of behavior - and if that proves costly to the institution involved - so be it.

Yeah, which is why the civil and criminal courts should handle it.


What I said applies without regard to who handles it - an issue I was not speaking to. Whether it's the NCAA or the NAACP or the NAMBLA that shuts them down is of no matter to me.
 
2012-07-18 02:49:51 PM

jso2897: IAAl: The Clery Act was enacted as a result of a rape/murder when I was in college. So, I'm getting a kick, etc.

/Guy strangled the girl with a slinky.

Wow. I knew they could roll down stairs, alone or in pairs - but I never knew they could do THAT.


They are a marvelous toy.
 
2012-07-18 02:53:53 PM

Balder333: NCAA should suspend Penn Sate from Football for 5 years and the University should lose all federal funding.

Only then will other football programs realize how serious this shiat is, how much more important the crimes of raping little children are than football.


Baylor lost one season of non-con games for activities that also involved covering up a murder. No part of the NCAA sanctions were due to the murder itself.

However, under NCAA rules, PSU isn't eligible for the death penalty. Only under-probation serial offenders are eligible.
 
2012-07-18 02:57:23 PM
How about a RICO bust for this shiat? Isn't this a conspiracy to commit a felony (aiding and abetting, interfering with investigation/prosecution, etc)?
 
2012-07-18 02:57:25 PM

ChipNASA: Anyone else read that as Celery Act??
[mattmorgan.typepad.com image 400x400]


No, but I read it as Clergy Act, which, considering the subject, is quite apropos...
 
2012-07-18 02:58:06 PM
PSU, Pedo State University. I recommend we all start calling it that
 
2012-07-18 02:58:27 PM

IAAl: The Clery Act was enacted as a result of a rape/murder when I was in college. So, I'm getting a kick, etc.

/Guy strangled the girl with a slinky.


Fun Fact: The Slinky was invented by Penn State alumni Richard James.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_T._James#section_1
 
2012-07-18 02:59:03 PM
I'd like to point out that anyone who gets away with a truly funny defacement of that statue will become a LEGEND.

Also, can we try a FARK challenge grant? We chip in money for markers and signs for Michigan State next time they play Penn. Maybe some sidewalk chalk, too.
 
2012-07-18 03:01:54 PM

omgrtfa: The My Little Pony Killer: Internet lynch mob party at my place!

Suck it, Penn State!

Lynching is an extrajudicial execution carried out by a mob, often by hanging, but also by burning at the stake or shooting, in order to punish an alleged transgressor, or to intimidate, control, or otherwise manipulate a population of people. It is related to other means of social control that arise in communities, such as charivari, riding the rail, and tarring and feathering. Lynchings have been more frequent in times of social and economic tension, and have often been the means used by the politically dominant population to oppress social challengers.

Is lynch mob the right term if it is just?


A lynch mob, although sometimes correct, fair, or appropriate, is by definition never just. Nothing extrajudicial can be.
 
2012-07-18 03:02:00 PM
I have no sympathy for the school in this case. If there were complaints that they covered up to protect the school's own self interests, fark them all. For the departments that aren't apart of the football department, sorry. Sorry the powers that be got these complaints and decided to cover them up instead of reporting them.

What I don't understand, because I honestly don't follow sports and couldn't tell you why we call it Football here in the U.S. and Soccer in Europe and Futbol in Europe is Soccer here, but why is the football program at a college so farking valuable??? At the college I attended, the Football coach was better paid than the professors and it did piss me the fark off that there was more money spent for a sports program than there was for the entire engineering department and that my tuition was increasing because of the school's new football stadium was asinine. It's a game. If you take it so seriously that you are making excuses for the slime balls who covered it up and the son of a biatch who did it, then you are no better than those who are involved.

If I controlled the world, professional sports teams would make less than the waitstaff and Applebees and those millions of dollars would be regulated education. At least that way, a tax hike to build a new stadium would go to the schools.
 
2012-07-18 03:02:32 PM

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2012-07-18 03:06:44 PM

Rembrant_Q_Einstein: oldweevil: profplump: oldweevil: he NCAA has no more business interfering in presidential elections than they do attempting to penalize a member university for a criminal offense.

If you're arguing for NCAA sanctions, you're missing the goddamn point entirely. Should the program be shut down? There's a good case for that. Should the NCAA have anything to do with it? Hell no.

You couldn't be more wrong. Does the NFL have the authority to mete out punishment to one of it's member teams?


PROTIP: see Bountygate
 
2012-07-18 03:08:36 PM

IAAl: The Clery Act was enacted as a result of a rape/murder when I was in college. So, I'm getting a kick, etc.

/Guy strangled the girl with a slinky.



After Their Daughter Is Murdered at College, Her Grieving Parents Mount a Crusade for Campus Safety

Five days later Jeanne Ann Clery, 19, was found dead in her third-floor dorm, murdered by a fellow student. She had been raped, sodomized, beaten, bitten, strangled with a metal coil and mutilated with a broken bottle during the attack.
 
2012-07-18 03:08:45 PM

oldweevil: profplump: oldweevil: he NCAA has no more business interfering in presidential elections than they do attempting to penalize a member university for a criminal offense.

It's not an individual that's the problem. It's the organizational coverup. And such things have in fact brought down presidents, let alone some ridiculous self-important sports program.

And to be fair, I'm not arguing that point with you. I'm arguing that the NCAA isn't the entity to do it, anymore than Comcast or the IRS is.

I have absolutely no problem with PSU or the legislature making the move to pull the plug on the whole athletic program. I think the individuals involved in the coverup should be punished. PSU is obviously on the bad side of some serious legal liability. Nobody is going to "get away with this".

But this whole mess is outside the purview of the NCAA, no matter what the lynch mob says. I think they're just focusing on the NCAA penalty aspect because it can happen faster than due process would dictate, and they can get back to living their sanctimonious little lives.

If you're arguing for NCAA sanctions, you're missing the goddamn point entirely. Should the program be shut down? There's a good case for that. Should the NCAA have anything to do with it? Hell no.


I'm not arguing for NCAA SANCTIONS, I'm flat out out arguing for Penn State's Immediate and permanent explusion fro the NCAA PERIOD. If a college were revealed to be a diploma mill or a mafia front, they would lose their membership in any standard organization that had previously accredited them. The NCAA is basically the athletic equivalent of an accrediting organization. And as one that claims it maintians a high moral standard for its members, it MUST, on the basis of the Freeh report alone, eject Penn State immediately, or forever lose all credibility.
 
2012-07-18 03:11:33 PM

dj1s: How about harboring a child rapist for a couple of decades? Is that reason enough?


Illinois has never been sanctioned for having an avowed terrorist on their faculty.
 
2012-07-18 03:12:01 PM
They should dismantle the football program.

Seriously, no decent student athlete is going to want to play for Penn-atration State at this point.

/any athlete that does, would be condoning it and shouldn't be playing.
 
2012-07-18 03:14:37 PM

Magorn: oldweevil: profplump: oldweevil: he NCAA has no more business interfering in presidential elections than they do attempting to penalize a member university for a criminal offense.

It's not an individual that's the problem. It's the organizational coverup. And such things have in fact brought down presidents, let alone some ridiculous self-important sports program.

And to be fair, I'm not arguing that point with you. I'm arguing that the NCAA isn't the entity to do it, anymore than Comcast or the IRS is.

I have absolutely no problem with PSU or the legislature making the move to pull the plug on the whole athletic program. I think the individuals involved in the coverup should be punished. PSU is obviously on the bad side of some serious legal liability. Nobody is going to "get away with this".

But this whole mess is outside the purview of the NCAA, no matter what the lynch mob says. I think they're just focusing on the NCAA penalty aspect because it can happen faster than due process would dictate, and they can get back to living their sanctimonious little lives.

If you're arguing for NCAA sanctions, you're missing the goddamn point entirely. Should the program be shut down? There's a good case for that. Should the NCAA have anything to do with it? Hell no.

I'm not arguing for NCAA SANCTIONS, I'm flat out out arguing for Penn State's Immediate and permanent explusion fro the NCAA PERIOD. If a college were revealed to be a diploma mill or a mafia front, they would lose their membership in any standard organization that had previously accredited them. The NCAA is basically the athletic equivalent of an accrediting organization. And as one that claims it maintians a high moral standard for its members, it MUST, on the basis of the Freeh report alone, eject Penn State immediately, or forever lose all credibility.


Here here.
 
2012-07-18 03:15:24 PM

cuzsis: They should dismantle the football program.

Seriously, no decent student athlete is going to want to play for Penn-atration State at this point.

/any athlete that does, would be condoning it and shouldn't be playing.


And any team that picks a player from Pedo State
 
2012-07-18 03:15:46 PM

ha-ha-guy: Penn State clearly doesn't agree with you, since they willingly joined the NCAA. An organization which from the get go had punishment as one of its mandates.


The initial formation of the NCAA had no punishment provisions. It eventually asserted that it did, in a very Marbury v. Madison manner, and by the time anyone thought to challenge the notion, they had de facto power. The early history of the NCAA is fascinating.
 
2012-07-18 03:16:13 PM
Guys, Pedobear likes girls. I think there's a different bear for boys.
 
2012-07-18 03:17:38 PM

Spindle: It's just amazing that even after the board decided to cover up Sandusky's crimes they still let the motherfarker keep on preying on little children. It's bad enough to realize he had a running history of being a monster and then make him leave quietly, it's horrible to just let this be business as usual.


What else could they do? They had that shiny reputation to uphold. So the let sandusky keep going up hole. Not much reputation left at Penn State now. That's why they figure it doesnt matter that they are leaving the statue and showers and football program standing.
 
2012-07-18 03:20:02 PM

mikaloyd: Spindle: It's just amazing that even after the board decided to cover up Sandusky's crimes they still let the motherfarker keep on preying on little children. It's bad enough to realize he had a running history of being a monster and then make him leave quietly, it's horrible to just let this be business as usual.

What else could they do? They had that shiny reputation to uphold. So the let sandusky keep going up hole. Not much reputation left at Penn State now. That's why they figure it doesnt matter that they are leaving the statue and showers and football program standing.


Exactly. It wasn't their kids, just some poor losers. I mean with everything they were doing for those kids, and the town, they could at least show a little gratitude.
 
2012-07-18 03:20:20 PM

fireclown: I'd like to point out that anyone who gets away with a truly funny defacement of that statue will become a LEGEND.

Also, can we try a FARK challenge grant? We chip in money for markers and signs for Michigan State next time they play Penn. Maybe some sidewalk chalk, too.


You might be waiting for a long time: Michigan State doesn't play Penn State again until 2015 (unless they meet in the conference championship game), since they're now in different divisions. If you meant another pair of teams (Penn and Penn State are different schools): MSU has never played Penn (the University of Pennsylvania), and is not currently scheduled to do so, and the University of Michigan doesn't play Penn State until 2013. Of course, it's also possible that Penn State won't play another game until 2015.
 
2012-07-18 03:20:47 PM

born_yesterday: I'm not arguing for NCAA SANCTIONS, I'm flat out out arguing for Penn State's Immediate and permanent explusion fro the NCAA PERIOD. If a college were revealed to be a diploma mill or a mafia front, they would lose their membership in any standard organization that had previously accredited them. The NCAA is basically the athletic equivalent of an accrediting organization. And as one that claims it maintians a high moral standard for its members, it MUST, on the basis of the Freeh report alone, eject Penn State immediately, or forever lose all credibility.

Here here.


The expression is "Hear, hear."
 
2012-07-18 03:22:46 PM

mikaloyd: Spindle: It's just amazing that even after the board decided to cover up Sandusky's crimes they still let the motherfarker keep on preying on little children. It's bad enough to realize he had a running history of being a monster and then make him leave quietly, it's horrible to just let this be business as usual.

What else could they do? They had that shiny reputation to uphold. So the let sandusky keep going up hole. Not much reputation left at Penn State now. That's why they figure it doesnt matter that they are leaving the statue and showers and football program standing.


They could at the least have sent him packing quietly and said he wanted to spend time with his family and at least ended the abuse. Reputation preserved and innocent kids wouldn't be getting raped. Well, at least they're going to have to pay for it now.
 
2012-07-18 03:23:08 PM

ProfessorOhki: doyner: The My Little Pony Killer: Internet lynch mob party at my place!

Suck it, Penn State!

I'd rather participate in an internet lynch mob than protect a culture of institutionalized compliance with serial child rape.

I'm quirky that way.

Even on Fark, I don't think I've ever seen anyone pull such textbook example of a false dichotomy before.


Consider it my opus.
 
2012-07-18 03:24:09 PM

Krymson Tyde: There seems to be a lot if debate in these threads regarding whether or not this falls under the NCAA's "jurisdiction."Apparently the NCAA believes it does.

NCAA's letter to Penn State dated 11/17/2011 outlining possible rules violations


That sets the new standard for "strongly worded letter."

/I really don't care what happens to the football program. Those poor kids (now grown men) will live with the trauma for a lot longer than any NCAA suspension.
 
2012-07-18 03:25:30 PM

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: Guys, Pedobear likes girls. I think there's a different bear for boys.


no pedophiles don't differentiates

anything under 17 is seen as a child
anything over a male or female
 
2012-07-18 03:27:18 PM

fireclown: We chip in money for markers and signs for Michigan State next time they play Penn.


I guarantee that the next time MSU plays Penn, the signs will look just like this.

farm3.staticflickr.com

\Just like in the 1979 Final Four.
\\101-67.
 
2012-07-18 03:31:21 PM

KingPsyz: scottydoesntknow: ZAZ: Loss of federal aid would be comparable.

Loss of federal aid could damn near shut down the school.

I'm fine with completely dismantling the football team, but I don't think the actual education should be affected. The cover-up wasn't to protect an education program that became too powerful, it was about protecting a football program that became way too powerful.

The people on the board should have thought about that before they risked the entire school to protect an old pedophile...

I do hope that everyone involved is prosecuted, I hope the NCAA shuts down the football program, I hope they pull federal aid, and they should tap the assets of the university to go to the victims and their families for relocation and counseling.


With their beloved statue as the only thing remaining.

/Would serve 'em right.
 
2012-07-18 03:33:56 PM
Burn the entire college to the ground. It's not worth saving. From the students protesting the removal of Joe Paterno to the years of cover-ups led by the administration, the place just isn't worth saving.
 
2012-07-18 03:40:53 PM

This text is now purple: born_yesterday: I'm not arguing for NCAA SANCTIONS, I'm flat out out arguing for Penn State's Immediate and permanent explusion fro the NCAA PERIOD. If a college were revealed to be a diploma mill or a mafia front, they would lose their membership in any standard organization that had previously accredited them. The NCAA is basically the athletic equivalent of an accrediting organization. And as one that claims it maintians a high moral standard for its members, it MUST, on the basis of the Freeh report alone, eject Penn State immediately, or forever lose all credibility.

Here here.

The expression is "Hear, hear."


Know, know, know knead four such pendantry...
 
2012-07-18 03:42:11 PM

CheekyMonkey: This text is now purple: born_yesterday: I'm not arguing for NCAA SANCTIONS, I'm flat out out arguing for Penn State's Immediate and permanent explusion fro the NCAA PERIOD. If a college were revealed to be a diploma mill or a mafia front, they would lose their membership in any standard organization that had previously accredited them. The NCAA is basically the athletic equivalent of an accrediting organization. And as one that claims it maintians a high moral standard for its members, it MUST, on the basis of the Freeh report alone, eject Penn State immediately, or forever lose all credibility.

Here here.

The expression is "Hear, hear."

Know, know, know knead four such pendantry...


Yeah. Don't loose your cool over it.
 
2012-07-18 03:45:52 PM

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: Guys, Pedobear likes girls. I think there's a different bear for boys.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-18 03:47:04 PM

HectorSchwartz: Krymson Tyde: There seems to be a lot if debate in these threads regarding whether or not this falls under the NCAA's "jurisdiction."Apparently the NCAA believes it does.

NCAA's letter to Penn State dated 11/17/2011 outlining possible rules violations

That sets the new standard for "strongly worded letter."

/I really don't care what happens to the football program. Those poor kids (now grown men) will live with the trauma for a lot longer than any NCAA suspension.


Except the poor kids aren't an issue for the NCAA.
 
2012-07-18 03:49:24 PM

jso2897: oldweevil: jso2897: A number of people ITT seem to be confused as to the function of the social tool we call "punishment". They seem to think that it is exclusively provided to obtain "justice" or "fairness" (whatever they might conceive that to be). It is not.
Socially, it serves a more important purpose - deterrence. We punish people for doing bad things so that they won't do it again, and so that others will see, and not wish to emulate them. And this requires a punishment that extracts more from the miscreant than he gained by his act.
In this situation, if only the immediately "guilty" are punished, nothing will change. A few people will be weeded out and fed to the lions, and business as usual will continue.
The institution that allowed this to go on must be shown that there is no profit in that - that it costs more than it gains. To do otherwise would be the equivalent of jailing a bank robber, but allowing his wife to keep the loot he brought home to her, lest his poor children starve.
It must be shown to the world that we will not allow an institution to profit from this sort of behavior - and if that proves costly to the institution involved - so be it.

Yeah, which is why the civil and criminal courts should handle it.

What I said applies without regard to who handles it - an issue I was not speaking to. Whether it's the NCAA or the NAACP or the NAMBLA that shuts them down is of no matter to me.


So, honest question - do you believe that Jerry Sandusky deserved due process?
 
2012-07-18 03:50:11 PM

badLogic: If there is any justice in the world, Penn State will be bankrupted by the fines and the civil cases.


No. This will all be forgotten in a few months. Football will go on. The sponsors will come back. And most of all the PEOPLE will forget. They will open up their wallets and buy the season tickets, and the concessions and the tradition and swell up with pride at the hero worship and adoration...after all...FOOTBALL.

Footballfootballfootball.....
 
2012-07-18 03:50:18 PM

oldweevil: /I really don't care what happens to the football program. Those poor kids (now grown men) will live with the trauma for a lot longer than any NCAA suspension.

Except the poor kids aren't an issue for the NCAA.


Not unless the NCAA can make billions off them by calling them "student-athletes" and denying workmen's compensation rights.
 
2012-07-18 03:50:25 PM

ha-ha-guy: oldweevil: jso2897: A number of people ITT seem to be confused as to the function of the social tool we call "punishment". They seem to think that it is exclusively provided to obtain "justice" or "fairness" (whatever they might conceive that to be). It is not.
Socially, it serves a more important purpose - deterrence. We punish people for doing bad things so that they won't do it again, and so that others will see, and not wish to emulate them. And this requires a punishment that extracts more from the miscreant than he gained by his act.
In this situation, if only the immediately "guilty" are punished, nothing will change. A few people will be weeded out and fed to the lions, and business as usual will continue.
The institution that allowed this to go on must be shown that there is no profit in that - that it costs more than it gains. To do otherwise would be the equivalent of jailing a bank robber, but allowing his wife to keep the loot he brought home to her, lest his poor children starve.
It must be shown to the world that we will not allow an institution to profit from this sort of behavior - and if that proves costly to the institution involved - so be it.

Yeah, which is why the civil and criminal courts should handle it.

Penn State clearly doesn't agree with you, since they willingly joined the NCAA. An organization which from the get go had punishment as one of its mandates.


Punishment for specific things, which is kind of my entire goddamn point.
 
2012-07-18 03:51:21 PM

This text is now purple: oldweevil: /I really don't care what happens to the football program. Those poor kids (now grown men) will live with the trauma for a lot longer than any NCAA suspension.

Except the poor kids aren't an issue for the NCAA.

Not unless the NCAA can make billions off them by calling them "student-athletes" and denying workmen's compensation rights.


Oh, no doubt. The NCAA is corrupt and that's beyond dispute.
 
2012-07-18 03:53:13 PM

Magorn: oldweevil: profplump: oldweevil: he NCAA has no more business interfering in presidential elections than they do attempting to penalize a member university for a criminal offense.

It's not an individual that's the problem. It's the organizational coverup. And such things have in fact brought down presidents, let alone some ridiculous self-important sports program.

And to be fair, I'm not arguing that point with you. I'm arguing that the NCAA isn't the entity to do it, anymore than Comcast or the IRS is.

I have absolutely no problem with PSU or the legislature making the move to pull the plug on the whole athletic program. I think the individuals involved in the coverup should be punished. PSU is obviously on the bad side of some serious legal liability. Nobody is going to "get away with this".

But this whole mess is outside the purview of the NCAA, no matter what the lynch mob says. I think they're just focusing on the NCAA penalty aspect because it can happen faster than due process would dictate, and they can get back to living their sanctimonious little lives.

If you're arguing for NCAA sanctions, you're missing the goddamn point entirely. Should the program be shut down? There's a good case for that. Should the NCAA have anything to do with it? Hell no.

I'm not arguing for NCAA SANCTIONS, I'm flat out out arguing for Penn State's Immediate and permanent explusion fro the NCAA PERIOD. If a college were revealed to be a diploma mill or a mafia front, they would lose their membership in any standard organization that had previously accredited them. The NCAA is basically the athletic equivalent of an accrediting organization. And as one that claims it maintians a high moral standard for its members, it MUST, on the basis of the Freeh report alone, eject Penn State immediately, or forever lose all credibility.


Oh, then you're just out of your goddamn mind then.

Why stop at the NCAA? Why shouldn't some academic organizations yank their accreditation? Why not nuke the damn campus and salt the earth while we're at it?
 
2012-07-18 03:53:53 PM

Great Janitor: I have no sympathy for the school in this case. If there were complaints that they covered up to protect the school's own self interests, fark them all. For the departments that aren't apart of the football department, sorry. Sorry the powers that be got these complaints and decided to cover them up instead of reporting them.

What I don't understand, because I honestly don't follow sports and couldn't tell you why we call it Football here in the U.S. and Soccer in Europe and Futbol in Europe is Soccer here, but why is the football program at a college so farking valuable??? At the college I attended, the Football coach was better paid than the professors and it did piss me the fark off that there was more money spent for a sports program than there was for the entire engineering department and that my tuition was increasing because of the school's new football stadium was asinine. It's a game. If you take it so seriously that you are making excuses for the slime balls who covered it up and the son of a biatch who did it, then you are no better than those who are involved.

If I controlled the world, professional sports teams would make less than the waitstaff and Applebees and those millions of dollars would be regulated education. At least that way, a tax hike to build a new stadium would go to the schools.


One Word: MONEY, BUCKETS OF IT. They don't pay their student athletes anything by law (okay, so they got a scholarship. Does anyone in the NFL get only 40-60k a year for playing?) So it's straight profit for the university. Think about it ticket sales, sweatshirts, concession stands, Alumni nights, etc.

If you ever go to Penn State you'll see the garish monstrosity that is the football stadium, which really stands out because the rest of the area is just small towns/semi-rural. Penn State got big not only because of JoePa but because they have no local NFL team, so Penn State became the "home team".

Suspend the team for each year they covered it up, the Freeh report is going to uncover even more corruption. Hopefully the naivete of the residents would go away, just because you live in a small town doesn't mean you're safe.

/South park did an episode on it "crack baby basketball league", surprisingly a good starter
 
2012-07-18 03:57:28 PM

shortymac: I'm from PA and I agree that the football team should be suspended, hell make it match the number of years they didn't report it.

 
2012-07-18 03:58:15 PM
Terminate all aid to PSU. Forced refund to any who got a degree there and feel harmed for it. (to be paid from school assets) Life sentences for all involved in the aiding and abetting of child rape, starting with all involved in the e-mails. Dissolution of any sports program more strenuous than chess. Reclaim all monies paid to football program employees that span the time of rape incidents. Money to be used to make restitution to victims. (including JoPa's estate)


That seems like a good place to start.
 
2012-07-18 04:01:02 PM

simon_bar_sinister: Terminate all aid to PSU. Forced refund to any who got a degree there and feel harmed for it. (to be paid from school assets) Life sentences for all involved in the aiding and abetting of child rape, starting with all involved in the e-mails. Dissolution of any sports program more strenuous than chess. Reclaim all monies paid to football program employees that span the time of rape incidents. Money to be used to make restitution to victims. (including JoPa's estate)


That seems like a good place to start.


I'd add making everyone who has ever applied for a job at Penn State listen to an endless loop of Toni Basil's "Hey Mickey" while making them watch the most recent Indiana Jones movie with their eyes propped open Clockwork Orange-style.

I mean, it's certainly no more ridiculous than what you suggest.
 
2012-07-18 04:03:27 PM

Magorn: I'm not arguing for NCAA SANCTIONS, I'm flat out out arguing for Penn State's Immediate and permanent explusion fro the NCAA PERIOD.


Amen to that. There is no good rationale for letting them remain under these circumstances.

This isn't about Sandusky or what happened to the kids - criminal court is taking care of that - this is about what happens when an organization loses all perspective and sight of the larger picture, and thinks of itself as above the rules and simply 'too big to fail', and willing to abandon all values and steamroller anyone or anything just to get its way.
 
2012-07-18 04:08:22 PM

CliChe Guevara: Magorn: I'm not arguing for NCAA SANCTIONS, I'm flat out out arguing for Penn State's Immediate and permanent explusion fro the NCAA PERIOD.

Amen to that. There is no good rationale for letting them remain under these circumstances.

This isn't about Sandusky or what happened to the kids - criminal court is taking care of that - this is about what happens when an organization loses all perspective and sight of the larger picture, and thinks of itself as above the rules and simply 'too big to fail', and willing to abandon all values and steamroller anyone or anything just to get its way.


Well, maybe that's the problem right there. The NCAA admires what Penn State did and doesn't want to punish them as a sign of sportsmanship.
 
2012-07-18 04:08:41 PM

All_Farked_Up: PSU, Pedo State University. I recommend we all start calling it that


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2012-07-18 04:10:07 PM

oldweevil: Magorn: oldweevil: profplump: oldweevil: he NCAA has no more business interfering in presidential elections than they do attempting to penalize a member university for a criminal offense.

It's not an individual that's the problem. It's the organizational coverup. And such things have in fact brought down presidents, let alone some ridiculous self-important sports program.

And to be fair, I'm not arguing that point with you. I'm arguing that the NCAA isn't the entity to do it, anymore than Comcast or the IRS is.

I have absolutely no problem with PSU or the legislature making the move to pull the plug on the whole athletic program. I think the individuals involved in the coverup should be punished. PSU is obviously on the bad side of some serious legal liability. Nobody is going to "get away with this".

But this whole mess is outside the purview of the NCAA, no matter what the lynch mob says. I think they're just focusing on the NCAA penalty aspect because it can happen faster than due process would dictate, and they can get back to living their sanctimonious little lives.

If you're arguing for NCAA sanctions, you're missing the goddamn point entirely. Should the program be shut down? There's a good case for that. Should the NCAA have anything to do with it? Hell no.

I'm not arguing for NCAA SANCTIONS, I'm flat out out arguing for Penn State's Immediate and permanent explusion fro the NCAA PERIOD. If a college were revealed to be a diploma mill or a mafia front, they would lose their membership in any standard organization that had previously accredited them. The NCAA is basically the athletic equivalent of an accrediting organization. And as one that claims it maintians a high moral standard for its members, it MUST, on the basis of the Freeh report alone, eject Penn State immediately, or forever lose all credibility.

Oh, then you're just out of your goddamn mind then.

Why stop at the NCAA? Why shouldn't some academic organizations yank their accreditation? W ...


Read this letter from the NCAA particularly the citation to the NCAA constitution on the bottom of page one to the top of page 2. Tell Me, given that quoted language, how the NCAA could possibly allow Penn State to retain its NCAA memebership?

As to the atheletes affected by such explusion they should be given a choice. Either obligate Penn State to honor thier scholarships as academic ones, or allow any NCAA school to absorb a Penn State Scholarship athelete without it counting against thier scholarship cap
 
2012-07-18 04:17:51 PM
The people who give football power like kidfarking -- or at least, they don't dislike it enough to stop giving kidfarkers power.

You don't get to say Penn State did something very bad, and then stop. You fix it so it doesn't happen again. You look at the incentives for abetting kidfarking, and you change them. The more effective these changes, the more I'll admit you may don't like the kidfarking. The weaker and less relevant your changes, the clearer your indifference and support of kidfarking becomes.

The absolute minimum is that Penn State doesn't get to play football anymore. Their desire to win at football is what led to every raped kid after the first one. This was their goal, this is what they sought, football victories are what they bought with endorsing kidfarking. If they get to keep having football victories, then I guess they made the right decision. Don't like that? I don't like kidfarking, so hey, I guess we're both pretty angry.

It's the exact same thing with the godpeople. They could've taken effective action about the kidfarking, but ultimately their organization was too valuable and precious to be exposed to people saying bad things about it, and this was more important than stopping kidfarking.
 
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