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(CBS Sports)   Kobe Bryant plans quitting basketball after two more years. Lakers unsure whether to retire uniform #24 - his current number, or uniform #0 - his total career assists   (cbssports.com) divider line 128
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2012-07-18 10:43:08 AM  
Not that I'm the biggest Kobe fan, but that's a massive stretch, subby. The guy's averaging 4.7 assists per game for his career. He's not Yinka Dare.
 
2012-07-18 12:03:31 PM  
they should retire the number that was the same as the number of carats he gave his wife after his big sex scandal
 
2012-07-18 12:31:42 PM  
Well, that's a dumb headline.
 
2012-07-18 12:33:19 PM  
I'm no NBA fan, but it seems pretty obvious that Kobe is easily the best player of his generation.

Do avid fans generally see him as top-10 all-time?
 
2012-07-18 12:36:39 PM  

Dafatone: Well, that's a dumb headline.


Yes - and there's no way he's gonna retire at 35. At the very least, he will quit, miss it, and be back for the playoffs and then 3 or 4 more years.
 
2012-07-18 12:37:56 PM  
I'm no NBA fan, but it seems pretty obvious that Kobe is easily the best player of his generation.

Do avid fans generally see him as top-10 all-time?


Depends on who you consider in his generation. He was only league MVP once, so I don't see him top 10 of all time.
 
2012-07-18 12:38:08 PM  
the biggest redneck here: I'm no NBA fan, but it seems pretty obvious that Kobe is easily the best player of his generation.

Do avid fans generally see him as top-10 all-time?



easily top ten. and, he'll play more than two more years.

/agree, stupid headline. must have blown the mod to get the green.
 
2012-07-18 12:38:17 PM  

the biggest redneck here: I'm no NBA fan, but it seems pretty obvious that Kobe is easily the best player of his generation.

Do avid fans generally see him as top-10 all-time?


As much as I hate to admit it - yes, I have him there in my top 10, not top 5, but top 10
 
2012-07-18 12:40:19 PM  
Most unlikeable NBA star ever? Can't think of anyone worse.
 
2012-07-18 12:40:43 PM  

Decillion: Most unlikeable NBA star ever? Can't think of anyone worse.


Not sure if trolling...
 
2012-07-18 12:40:58 PM  
So, if Jordan averaged .5 assists per game more over his career than Bryant, that means the greatest basketball player ever had half of an assist his entire career?

/based on subbys logic
 
2012-07-18 12:41:23 PM  

MugzyBrown: He was only league MVP once, so I don't see him top 10 of all time.


Although realistically he deserved more, just wasn't allowed to win 'em due to the rape allegations issue, so they gave 'em to Nash. And I love Nash and hate Kobe.

Also, headline is stupid but as I'm assuming it's based on the stupid internet meme that he doesn't pass, I let it slide.
 
2012-07-18 12:41:55 PM  

the biggest redneck here: I'm no NBA fan, but it seems pretty obvious that Kobe is easily the best player of his generation.


Not easily. You can make a case, and I'd be more receptive to the argument that he's the best perimeter player of his generation. But to make the case that he's the best of all, you have to convince me he's better than Tim Duncan.
 
2012-07-18 12:42:10 PM  

FreakinB: Not that I'm the biggest Kobe fan, but that's a massive stretch, subby. The guy's averaging 4.7 assists per game for his career. He's not Yinka Dare.


He's not even the biggest ball stopper in LA, that would be Nick Young.
 
2012-07-18 12:43:57 PM  

Decillion: Most unlikeable NBA star ever? Can't think of anyone worse.


AI
 
2012-07-18 12:44:55 PM  

dragonchild: the biggest redneck here: I'm no NBA fan, but it seems pretty obvious that Kobe is easily the best player of his generation.

Not easily. You can make a case, and I'd be more receptive to the argument that he's the best perimeter player of his generation. But to make the case that he's the best of all, you have to convince me he's better than Tim Duncan.


I think it is safe to say they are 1a and 1b
 
2012-07-18 12:45:33 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Decillion: Most unlikeable NBA star ever? Can't think of anyone worse.

AI


He is the most hated and I never really understood it.
 
2012-07-18 12:45:53 PM  
usually when players start talking about retirement they are already mentally checked out.

if FA doesnt go well for the lakes I wonder if he will be out in a year.
 
2012-07-18 12:46:45 PM  

the biggest redneck here: I'm no NBA fan, but it seems pretty obvious that Kobe is easily the best player of his generation.


His "generation" was a period devoid of a lot of big stars, so he's definitely up there just by default
 
2012-07-18 12:48:32 PM  

Decillion: Most unlikeable NBA star ever? Can't think of anyone worse.


He's not even the most unlikeable NBA star on the Lakers.
cdn.bleacherreport.net
 
2012-07-18 12:48:52 PM  

dragonchild: the biggest redneck here: I'm no NBA fan, but it seems pretty obvious that Kobe is easily the best player of his generation.

Not easily. You can make a case, and I'd be more receptive to the argument that he's the best perimeter player of his generation. But to make the case that he's the best of all, you have to convince me he's better than Tim Duncan.



I dunno, Duncan has well publicized instances of taking nights off for frivolous reasons...

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2012-07-18 12:48:55 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: Dafatone: Well, that's a dumb headline.

Yes - and there's no way he's gonna retire at 35. At the very least, he will quit, miss it, and be back for the playoffs and then 3 or 4 more years.


I didn't know Kobe bet on basketball games, too.
 
2012-07-18 12:49:12 PM  

Lost Thought 00: the biggest redneck here: I'm no NBA fan, but it seems pretty obvious that Kobe is easily the best player of his generation.

His "generation" was a period devoid of a lot of big stars, so he's definitely up there just by default


AI, Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, KG, Scalabrini, Vince Carter, Nash, Dirk

Yeah, I see what you are saying actually.

/probably missing some
 
2012-07-18 12:49:28 PM  

Gunny Highway: Lost Thought 00: Decillion: Most unlikeable NBA star ever? Can't think of anyone worse.

AI

He is the most hated and I never really understood it.


Maybe because he's most famous for complaining about having to go to work every day while making millions of dollars?
 
2012-07-18 12:51:39 PM  
I thought LBJ was the most hated nba super star.

/tho ive always hated marbury, mostly because he signifies an end of an era of relevant GT basketball
 
2012-07-18 12:51:44 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Gunny Highway: Lost Thought 00: Decillion: Most unlikeable NBA star ever? Can't think of anyone worse.

AI

He is the most hated and I never really understood it.

Maybe because he's most famous for complaining about having to go to work every day while making millions of dollars?


Eh. That whole interview sucked. The guy asking the questions was as big a dick as AI. Wasnt he dealing with the death of a loved one? Im not saying he wasnt out of line (high out of his mind) during the "practice" interview but too much is made of it.
 
2012-07-18 12:51:52 PM  

Loomy: I dunno, Duncan has well publicized instances of taking nights off for frivolous reasons...


No no, that's "DND", meaning "D n' D", or "Dungeons & Dragons". Tim Duncan is a gamer. And as a fellow gamer, I will ITG your ass from my mom's basement if you dare claim that it's a frivolous reason. You can even see he PWND his teammate. He must've been the DM.

As for "OLD", I'm guessing he was using an earlier edition that couldn't be confirmed at game time.
 
2012-07-18 12:52:02 PM  
Kobe needs:

1 more NBA Championship win
4 more NBA Finals MVP awards
4 more NBA Most Valuable Player awards
8 more NBA scoring champion awards
3 NBA steals champion awards
1 NBA Defensive Player of the Year award
1 more NBA All-Defensive First Team award
1 more NBA Slam Dunk Contest Champion award

Then he can 'be like mike'.

Good player in his own right. Perhaps watching Jordan and trying to copy his playstyle helped Bryant obtain his accolades. He just doesn't have the same fire that Jordan had.

(He missed being Rookie of the year and making the NBA All-Rookie First Team, unfortunately.)
 
2012-07-18 12:52:07 PM  

IAmRight: Although realistically he deserved more, just wasn't allowed to win 'em due to the rape allegations issue, so they gave 'em to Nash. And I love Nash and hate Kobe.


I don't think Nash deserved either MVP, but Kobe didn't receive any votes in '05 and came in 4th in '06.

If you consider LeBron in Kobe's generation, which I think he is, then Lebron is the best of that generation. If not then I'd say Duncan.
 
2012-07-18 12:54:12 PM  

Bschott007: Good player in his own right. Perhaps watching Jordan and trying to copy his playstyle helped Bryant obtain his accolades. He just doesn't have the same fire that Jordan had.


I dont think anyone was comparing him to Jordan.
 
2012-07-18 12:56:46 PM  

Decillion: Most unlikeable NBA star ever? Can't think of anyone worse.


Not that Jordan was necessarily an open book himself, but for a future HoF "star" that arguably dominated at least a significant portion of a particular generation, no one really knows who Kobe is. From all accounts he's something of a loner amongst his peers, and I think it's more by design than just everyone thinking he's an asshole and staying clear of him (although he does seem like a dick, too).

It's not like he was literally on every talk show before the whole rape thing; he was always private and distant.
 
2012-07-18 12:57:10 PM  
As far as top 10 of all time.. in no order:

Jordan, Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Bird, Magic, Hakeem, Lebron, Doc, Big O are definitely ahead of Kobe.

Also probably ahead of Kobe: Duncan, Barkley, West, Shaq, K.Malone
 
2012-07-18 12:58:32 PM  

Gunny Highway: Yanks_RSJ: Gunny Highway: Lost Thought 00: Decillion: Most unlikeable NBA star ever? Can't think of anyone worse.

AI

He is the most hated and I never really understood it.

Maybe because he's most famous for complaining about having to go to work every day while making millions of dollars?

Eh. That whole interview sucked. The guy asking the questions was as big a dick as AI. Wasnt he dealing with the death of a loved one? Im not saying he wasnt out of line (high out of his mind) during the "practice" interview but too much is made of it.


No interview = no Allen Iverson rap. That would suck.
 
2012-07-18 01:01:41 PM  

dragonchild: the biggest redneck here: I'm no NBA fan, but it seems pretty obvious that Kobe is easily the best player of his generation.

Not easily. You can make a case, and I'd be more receptive to the argument that he's the best perimeter player of his generation. But to make the case that he's the best of all, you have to convince me he's better than Tim Duncan.


I started thinking about Duncan's game, and fell asleep a little.

/Duncan is that good. He's just... zzzzzzzz.
 
2012-07-18 01:01:47 PM  

Loomy: I dunno, Duncan has well publicized instances of taking nights off for frivolous reasons...


The coach fills out the reason for the DND. It was actually what he filled out, but it was him ribbing Duncan. Unlike football, you can put whatever you want in there.

He really was hurt or exhausted or whatever. The "old" part was just a joke on the coach's part.
 
2012-07-18 01:04:28 PM  

MugzyBrown: As far as top 10 of all time.. in no order:

Jordan, Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Bird, Magic, Hakeem, Lebron, Doc, Big O are definitely ahead of Kobe.

Also probably ahead of Kobe: Duncan, Barkley, West, Shaq, K.Malone


Lebron needs a few more rings before I can agree with that. The rest you have in front of him I can agree with.

Kobe is better then K Malone and Barkley. and arguably better then Duncan.

IMO of course.
 
2012-07-18 01:08:01 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Lebron needs a few more rings before I can agree with that. The rest you have in front of him I can agree with


Before Lebron won this year he was already significantly better than Kobe.

You can't look at Kobe as a 5 time champion in the sense you look at Jordan as a 5 time champion because 3 of his rings are reall Shaq's. Of course he was a key "Pippen" on the team, but when you're comparing greats, you look at rings where they were the MVP.

So because Lebron has 1 to Kobe's 2 doesn't really matter.

The rest of the numbers are so far in Lebron's favor.
 
2012-07-18 01:10:20 PM  

MugzyBrown: I don't think Nash deserved either MVP, but Kobe didn't receive any votes in '05 and came in 4th in '06.


Yeah, but that was, again, because of the rape charges. Just like LeBron didn't get it in '10 because of "The Decision" and Jordan didn't get it a few times because "f*ck, we might as well just call it the Michael Jordan award."

Bschott007: (He missed being Rookie of the year and making the NBA All-Rookie First Team, unfortunately.)


Which has more to do with him entering the NBA after HS on a good team rather than coming out after a few years in college in a great program to a bad team where he could do what he wanted.
 
2012-07-18 01:14:01 PM  

MugzyBrown: Jim from Saint Paul: Lebron needs a few more rings before I can agree with that. The rest you have in front of him I can agree with

Before Lebron won this year he was already significantly better than Kobe.

You can't look at Kobe as a 5 time champion in the sense you look at Jordan as a 5 time champion because 3 of his rings are reall Shaq's. Of course he was a key "Pippen" on the team, but when you're comparing greats, you look at rings where they were the MVP.

So because Lebron has 1 to Kobe's 2 doesn't really matter.

The rest of the numbers are so far in Lebron's favor.


I never saw Shaq or Kobe as the #2 guy when they were together personally.
 
2012-07-18 01:16:20 PM  

IAmRight: Yeah, but that was, again, because of the rape charges. Just like LeBron didn't get it in '10 because of "The Decision" and Jordan didn't get it a few times because "f*ck, we might as well just call it the Michael Jordan award."


Maybe, but in those years he wasn't clearly the best player in the league but was passed over.

With Jordan he was clearly the best player, but they wanted to honor somebody else.
 
2012-07-18 01:17:29 PM  
Kobe has ALL the fire that Jordan had. More probably. He wants to destroy the opponent, to stomp on their necks and rip out their hearts.

But he doesn't have the skills MJ had. One big part of that is that Kobe has much smaller hands than Jordan. He can barely palm a basketball. Mike could wrap his mitts around it almost.

According to Tex Winter, who coached both, Kobe is capable of the same highs as Jordan and even capable of exceeding Jordan in hotness and obscenely great play, but he could only reach those heights occasionally. Most of the time, his playing was not up to Jordan's level. Jordan hit his heights with ridiculous regularity and consistency.

Still, I put Kobe in top 5 all time. Jordan, Chamberlain, Magic, Kobe..not sure who I would even have fill out my top five.

As for likability, Kobe isn't all that likable, but Michael Jordan is a petty, vindictive prick and always has been. It may have even gotten worse since retirement. He's just a real asshole.
 
2012-07-18 01:22:16 PM  

Decillion: Most unlikeable NBA star ever? Can't think of anyone worse.


Rasheed Wallace?

LeBron?

Kevin Garnett?

Reggie Miller?

Latrell Sprewell?

Kris Humphries?

Bill Laimbeer?

Ron Artest (sorry...Metta World Peace)?

Isiah Thomas?

You don't watch much basketball do you?
 
2012-07-18 01:23:13 PM  

Bschott007: Kobe needs:

1 more NBA Championship win
4 more NBA Finals MVP awards
4 more NBA Most Valuable Player awards
8 more NBA scoring champion awards
3 NBA steals champion awards
1 NBA Defensive Player of the Year award
1 more NBA All-Defensive First Team award
1 more NBA Slam Dunk Contest Champion award

Then he can 'be like mike'.

Good player in his own right. Perhaps watching Jordan and trying to copy his playstyle helped Bryant obtain his accolades. He just doesn't have the same fire that Jordan had.

(He missed being Rookie of the year and making the NBA All-Rookie First Team, unfortunately.)


Actually Kobe needs 3 more championships to be like Mike. The first three were Shaq's.

The official scorecard...

Jordan = 6
Duncan = 4
Shaq = 3
Kobe = 2
LeBron = 1
Wade = 1
Dirk = 1
 
2012-07-18 01:24:19 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: MugzyBrown: As far as top 10 of all time.. in no order:

Jordan, Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Bird, Magic, Hakeem, Lebron, Doc, Big O are definitely ahead of Kobe.

Also probably ahead of Kobe: Duncan, Barkley, West, Shaq, K.Malone

Lebron needs a few more rings before I can agree with that. The rest you have in front of him I can agree with.

Kobe is better then K Malone and Barkley. and arguably better then Duncan.

IMO of course.


Kobe is better than Doc J too. I don't think anyone can really make a case for Kobe being better than Lebron by any objective measure.
 
2012-07-18 01:26:11 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: MugzyBrown: Jim from Saint Paul: Lebron needs a few more rings before I can agree with that. The rest you have in front of him I can agree with

Before Lebron won this year he was already significantly better than Kobe.

You can't look at Kobe as a 5 time champion in the sense you look at Jordan as a 5 time champion because 3 of his rings are reall Shaq's. Of course he was a key "Pippen" on the team, but when you're comparing greats, you look at rings where they were the MVP.

So because Lebron has 1 to Kobe's 2 doesn't really matter.

The rest of the numbers are so far in Lebron's favor.

I never saw Shaq or Kobe as the #2 guy when they were together personally.


Look at the Finals stats for Kobe's first 3 championships. There was a reason why Shaq was the 3 time Finals MVP. He was clearly superior to Kobe.
 
2012-07-18 01:26:47 PM  

MugzyBrown: As far as top 10 of all time.. in no order:

Jordan, Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Bird, Magic, Hakeem, Lebron, Doc, Big O are definitely ahead of Kobe.

Also probably ahead of Kobe: Duncan, Barkley, West, Shaq, K.Malone


If things stood as is today (i.e. no more rings for LBJ), I'd put Kobe over Malone and LeBron but no one else on the list. Kobe is a great player but I think the best player of this generation will probably go to Duncan in the long run.
 
2012-07-18 01:27:19 PM  

carnifex2005: Bschott007: Kobe needs:

1 more NBA Championship win
4 more NBA Finals MVP awards
4 more NBA Most Valuable Player awards
8 more NBA scoring champion awards
3 NBA steals champion awards
1 NBA Defensive Player of the Year award
1 more NBA All-Defensive First Team award
1 more NBA Slam Dunk Contest Champion award

Then he can 'be like mike'.

Good player in his own right. Perhaps watching Jordan and trying to copy his playstyle helped Bryant obtain his accolades. He just doesn't have the same fire that Jordan had.

(He missed being Rookie of the year and making the NBA All-Rookie First Team, unfortunately.)

Actually Kobe needs 3 more championships to be like Mike. The first three were Shaq's.

The official scorecard...

Jordan = 6
Duncan = 4
Shaq = 3
Kobe = 2
LeBron = 1
Wade = 1
Dirk = 1


Russell = 11, 3 of those as player-coach
 
2012-07-18 01:27:25 PM  

carnifex2005: The official scorecard...

Jordan = 6
Duncan = 4
Shaq = 3
Kobe = 2
LeBron = 1
Wade = 1
Dirk = 1


What is this crap?
 
2012-07-18 01:29:23 PM  

Gunny Highway: Bschott007: Good player in his own right. Perhaps watching Jordan and trying to copy his playstyle helped Bryant obtain his accolades. He just doesn't have the same fire that Jordan had.

I dont think anyone was comparing him to Jordan.


Actually, I know that no one was comparing him in this thread but his play style and comments he made just a few days ago about TEAM USA beating the Dream Team, and the repeated comments about Kobe being the next Jordan....yeah. He is good and will get into the NBA's Hall of Fame, but he isn't a contender for being the GOAT.
 
2012-07-18 01:32:26 PM  

Bschott007: Gunny Highway: Bschott007: Good player in his own right. Perhaps watching Jordan and trying to copy his playstyle helped Bryant obtain his accolades. He just doesn't have the same fire that Jordan had.

I dont think anyone was comparing him to Jordan.

Actually, I know that no one was comparing him in this thread but his play style and comments he made just a few days ago about TEAM USA beating the Dream Team, and the repeated comments about Kobe being the next Jordan....yeah. He is good and will get into the NBA's Hall of Fame, but he isn't a contender for being the GOAT.


Okay. I agree.
 
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