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(The New York Times)   Those Egyptian protests against Clinton? They were fueled by Egyptians listening to our right wing loons and their crazy conspiracy theories   (thelede.blogs.nytimes.com ) divider line
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2012-07-18 02:02:33 PM  
2 votes:

lordaction: When the meter was still active it was in a permanent left position. That was for 2 years. What was that about counting?

Also, when you have to resort to personal insults when trying to engage in a debate, it ought to be a pretty good indicator for you that the facts are not on your side.


emotibot.net

Willie Geist thinks it's cute that you're arguing about facts regarding how many conservative vs. liberal threads are here. Willie Geist would also like to remind you that the least credible liberal thread is still more credible than Newsmax or WND. But carry on, Patriot of Tea-infused Eagle Tears! One day Willie Geist will join you on that self-made cross and rot with you as your imaginary crucifiers scoff as your lifeless, formerly rage-ridden body is eaten by said Patriot Eagles.
2012-07-18 01:44:45 PM  
2 votes:

lordaction: Every single link on the politics tab today is a left-wing attack on the right. Lets just admit it, FARK just spreads Democrat talking points. What makes is funny though is how easy it is to debunk just about everyone of the articles posted here.


emotibot.net

Willie Geist invites you to look at all the Townhall, NRO and WND links over the past 3 days, retract your statement, and then promptly leave the thread like the embarrassing fool you are for your simple inability to be objective when the task is merely counting.
2012-07-18 01:09:22 PM  
2 votes:

Philip Francis Queeg: I_C_Weener: I will concede the second part of my statement about freedom from religion and government might have sounded racist, but was not meant to be. What it meant was the West, from the Magna Carta to the Reformation to the formation of the US has grown from a feudal society unquestioning of the leaders to a representative society protecting the individual from the government and religion.

Your view of history is rather deeply flawed. Let me take one example...

The Reformation was NOT a step toward religious freedom or a separation of government and religion. Quite the opposite, it was generally a fusion of government and religion. There was a widespread trend for the government, be it small principalities as in the German states, or in nation-states as in England, to select a particular religious teaching, and to enforce that teaching with all the tools government bring to bear, including execution.


We disagree. Apparently, you aren't aware of the control over the land that the Roman Catholic Church had pre-reformation. But this is a bigger discussion than this thread. Pre-reformation was only central control. The reformation directly led to the secularization of Western government by seperating the church from a role in the state. Yes, it decentralized religion leading to all kinds of abuses, which eventually led to what we have now...a primarily secular government system for Europe and the Americas. Without the Reformation, we'd have the Pope running things in concert with that 1/3 of the world. As it is, none of those countries answer to the Pope or a religious order when making government decisions. Thanks to the Reformation.
2012-07-18 01:04:01 PM  
2 votes:

I_C_Weener: I will concede the second part of my statement about freedom from religion and government might have sounded racist, but was not meant to be. What it meant was the West, from the Magna Carta to the Reformation to the formation of the US has grown from a feudal society unquestioning of the leaders to a representative society protecting the individual from the government and religion.


Your view of history is rather deeply flawed. Let me take one example...

The Reformation was NOT a step toward religious freedom or a separation of government and religion. Quite the opposite, it was generally a fusion of government and religion. There was a widespread trend for the government, be it small principalities as in the German states, or in nation-states as in England, to select a particular religious teaching, and to enforce that teaching with all the tools government bring to bear, including execution.
2012-07-18 12:59:53 PM  
2 votes:
Derp knows no boundaries. I'm up in Canada eh and my facebook is full of folks who post Ron Paul and Alex Jones links. The Ron Paul folks are the funniest because they are Canadians who want to end the American federal reserve and ditch the fiat dollar. I can respect an American who wants that stuff but it boggles my mind why a canuck would give a shiat, when we have enough problems here. The real problem is stupidity because people with that quality tend to gobble that shiat up. They love the black and white simplicity of it and the feeling that they are in on some big secret which they figured out because they are smarter than everyone else. And they love feeling persecuted, can't forget that.
2012-07-18 12:55:23 PM  
2 votes:

I_C_Weener: I don't know if this is true or not, but a fundamental difference between Islamic countries (many non-Islamic countries too) is that since their country has a dual leadership structure of religion and civics, they believe that the same thing is true of the US. So, for instance, they believe that Pat Robertson speaks for the US as much as President Obama does. I can definitely see them extending this to the media and pundits. Hell, Putin asked George W. Bush why Bush didn't fire the media who questioned Bush. Even the freaking leader of the Russian Empire didn't understand that in the West, and in the US specifically, the President is not able to fire reporters from the New York Times.


The freedom of the press is really pretty rare worldwide, most governments censor it and most people just accept it as a matter of course. One of my teachers told the story of some friends of his visiting from the USSR and were absolutely stunned when they came to the United States. They had been reading American newspapers that were talking about protests and riots and racism and economic slumps and so on and had expected things to be a thousand times worse than they really were. They explained that they assumed American newspapers were (naturally) censored like Soviet ones, and if that was the stuff we allowed to get printed then what kind of horrors were we hiding?
2012-07-18 12:54:48 PM  
2 votes:

LibertyHiller: rynthetyn: Do these crazy conspiracy theory people not understand that the Internet is global and people in other countries can read the ridiculous stuff they write? Or do they just not care that their derp is actually starting to hurt US relationships with other countries?

I think they're proud of the harm that they cause. After all, diplomacy is for them striped-pants Ivy League types.


True. It is unfortunate though, and I wish we could figure out a way to make all of those yokels travel abroad and actually get to know people in foreign countries, and not just as hotel staff but actually interacting as equals. One of the smartest things my alma mater did was to require every student to have a cross-cultural experience credit to graduate. Even at my largely right-wing college, they managed to graduate people who had a little bit more sense about the rest of the world than the average Republican because of that requirement.
2012-07-18 12:52:12 PM  
2 votes:

Il Douchey: They're just jealous because Secretary of State Clinton has accomplished so much. Like when she... well, there was the... ok let's see now, what about the progress she made in, um...Oh wait I know, the Reset button!

/And the pic of her checking emails in those cool sunglasses!


You people are soooooo pissed that Bin Laden is dead. Your favorite boogyman, killed by your second favorite boogyman.
2012-07-18 12:52:08 PM  
2 votes:
The US has a long history of puppets in the region...I don't really think they see a D or an R...They see US for what we have done not what we are saying...
2012-07-18 12:44:12 PM  
2 votes:
So.

It's come to this.

We are inciting unrest in other countries to prove that they do hate us, so we must double down on the derp They create the image, that fuels their perception of us, which becomes overblown and radicalized in it's own right in that country.

We cannot control this unrest, it will consume us should we let these fringe assholes paint the world's perception of America.
2012-07-18 12:39:12 PM  
2 votes:

rynthetyn: Do these crazy conspiracy theory people not understand that the Internet is global and people in other countries can read the ridiculous stuff they write? Or do they just not care that their derp is actually starting to hurt US relationships with other countries?


I think they're proud of the harm that they cause. After all, diplomacy is for them striped-pants Ivy League types.
2012-07-18 12:16:28 PM  
2 votes:

Citrate1007: Subterfuge is a fascists greatest weapon and is being employed by the GOP at an increasing rate.

/doublespeak, doublethink


So is oppression of those who believe differently. Like in Tenn the tea party wants the state to quit employing Democrats, gays and Muslims.
2012-07-18 06:59:34 PM  
1 vote:

lordaction: Every single link on the politics tab today is a left-wing attack on the right. Lets just admit it, FARK just spreads Democrat talking points. What makes is funny though is how easy it is to debunk just about everyone of the articles posted here.


OK, I'll start laughing when you start debunking.
2012-07-18 03:34:43 PM  
1 vote:
2012-07-18 03:08:54 PM  
1 vote:
Even McCain is calling out Bachmann on her recklessness and stupidity. And this is the man who picked recklessness and stupidity as his running mate.
2012-07-18 02:11:12 PM  
1 vote:

Huggermugger: I have never in my life known people more susceptible to buying into and subscribing to conspiracy theories than Arabs, and I've lived on five continents and traveled in over 50 countries. They make Teabaggers and Alex Jones seem sensible by comparison. The frustrating thing is that it's not just the illiterate or poor ones, it extends into high government positions and among people with PhDs earned in Western academia.

It's so typical of Teabaggers that they would gladly collude with Muslims, about whom they express the most fear. Ultimately, they're just mercenary opportunists and have no genuine core beliefs or integrity.


Quick hypothesis on that: some cultures (and I am assuming Arab society / culture is like this but have no actual knowledge) in Africa and probably other places, presumably the Middle East, revere teachers to the level that our sports stars are lauded by our stupid American youth. In Tanzania, for instance, the first president Julius Nyerere was more often titled "Mwalimu" (or Teacher) rather than "Rais" (President). And so, whatever derp-strewn feces people of an authoritarian or educational background spew upon the masses is likely to be regarded as fact, in part because knowledge is at such a premium in some of these places.
2012-07-18 01:17:41 PM  
1 vote:

I_C_Weener: Philip Francis Queeg: I_C_Weener: I will concede the second part of my statement about freedom from religion and government might have sounded racist, but was not meant to be. What it meant was the West, from the Magna Carta to the Reformation to the formation of the US has grown from a feudal society unquestioning of the leaders to a representative society protecting the individual from the government and religion.

Your view of history is rather deeply flawed. Let me take one example...

The Reformation was NOT a step toward religious freedom or a separation of government and religion. Quite the opposite, it was generally a fusion of government and religion. There was a widespread trend for the government, be it small principalities as in the German states, or in nation-states as in England, to select a particular religious teaching, and to enforce that teaching with all the tools government bring to bear, including execution.

We disagree. Apparently, you aren't aware of the control over the land that the Roman Catholic Church had pre-reformation. But this is a bigger discussion than this thread. Pre-reformation was only central control. The reformation directly led to the secularization of Western government by seperating the church from a role in the state. Yes, it decentralized religion leading to all kinds of abuses, which eventually led to what we have now...a primarily secular government system for Europe and the Americas. Without the Reformation, we'd have the Pope running things in concert with that 1/3 of the world. As it is, none of those countries answer to the Pope or a religious order when making government decisions. Thanks to the Reformation.


Yes, I am very aware of the Roman Catholic Church and it's power. That power was largely an alternate power structure to the governments of the time. The reformation and most places removed that alternate power structure and UNITED it with the state. The state began to chose the beliefs, select the religious hierarchy and control the lands previously held by the church.

I'd really recommend you read The Reformation: A History by Diarmaid MacCulloch
2012-07-18 01:04:21 PM  
1 vote:

quatchi: You know that whole "A lie can go around the world three times before the truth finishes tying it's shoes" thing?

It's true.

Gratz, RW derpmeisters. Not content to merely poisob political discourse for a single nation your insane paranoid fantasy drek is now bubbling over internationally.

Your stupid has gone viral. Revel in it.


Not only that but it's hampering our efforts to deal diplomatically with a new potential ally and making us weaker in one of the most important theaters in the world. I guess it's ok to embolden our enemies and weaken our country internationally if the conservatives do it.
2012-07-18 12:59:43 PM  
1 vote:

qorkfiend: I_C_Weener: Smackledorfer: I_C_Weener: I've said it before, in the context of the Iraqis not exactly engaging in a cleanup of their own country, "Maybe the Islamic world really is different than the West. Different as in almost a different species than the one that sought freedom from religion and government controlled by one or a few."

You're an idiot.

Wow, namecalling....the last refuge of a closed mind. Next time I'll use smaller words so you can follow along with your finger and saying them out loud.

We're just amused that a different opinion on freedom of religion and governance is what makes someone a difference species. It's almost like you're saying that since they think differently they're not actually human, but that can't possibly be what you meant. Right?


He said they were 'almost like' a different species. Not that they were. He also didn't specify that it was the western liberals who were the humans. You just kinda assumed that, if the two are different, yours must be superior.
2012-07-18 12:49:04 PM  
1 vote:

Citrate1007: Subterfuge is a fascists greatest weapon and is being employed by the GOP at an increasing rate.


But I guess second amendment solutions are reserved only for Democrats, right?
2012-07-18 12:47:35 PM  
1 vote:
I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that the USA paid and supported and propped up Hosni Mubarak for 30 years while he was brutalizing and terrorizing them.

I mean, a lot of them probably remember that high-ranking US government officials would come to visit Mubarak with much fanfare and pictures, saying things like "We told Hosni we got his back" and "He's really improving this country and we want to congratulate him".

So, uh, since you consistently and completely farked them over for 3 decades, they feel like they shouldn't trust you.

Shocking, huh? That after 30 years of palling around with their brutal dictator, they're a teensy bit suspicious that you've suddenly "embraced Egyptian Democracy".

/and no, they absolutely positively shouldn't trust the US, and they should continue to exercise their new freedom by pelting anyone with tomatoes that they goddamn want to
2012-07-18 12:36:33 PM  
1 vote:

quatchi: Gratz, RW derpmeisters. Not content to merely poisob political discourse for a single nation your insane paranoid fantasy drek is now bubbling over internationally.


Not the first time.

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2012-07-18 12:31:23 PM  
1 vote:
Do these crazy conspiracy theory people not understand that the Internet is global and people in other countries can read the ridiculous stuff they write? Or do they just not care that their derp is actually starting to hurt US relationships with other countries?
2012-07-18 12:31:06 PM  
1 vote:
It's always nice to see the right-wing providing aid and comfort to the enemy.
2012-07-18 12:25:33 PM  
1 vote:

Aarontology: listening to our right wing loons and their crazy conspiracy theories

I didn't know Egypt had a tea party.


The entire Arab world does; they're called al Qaeda.
2012-07-18 12:16:00 PM  
1 vote:
You know that whole "A lie can go around the world three times before the truth finishes tying it's shoes" thing?

It's true.

Gratz, RW derpmeisters. Not content to merely poisob political discourse for a single nation your insane paranoid fantasy drek is now bubbling over internationally.

Your stupid has gone viral. Revel in it.
2012-07-18 12:06:27 PM  
1 vote:
Subterfuge is a fascists greatest weapon and is being employed by the GOP at an increasing rate.

/doublespeak, doublethink
2012-07-18 12:02:18 PM  
1 vote:
I submitted this with the headline, "Derp Like An Egyptian."
 
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