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(The New York Times)   Those Egyptian protests against Clinton? They were fueled by Egyptians listening to our right wing loons and their crazy conspiracy theories   (thelede.blogs.nytimes.com) divider line 121
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2012-07-18 12:52:12 PM  

Il Douchey: They're just jealous because Secretary of State Clinton has accomplished so much. Like when she... well, there was the... ok let's see now, what about the progress she made in, um...Oh wait I know, the Reset button!

/And the pic of her checking emails in those cool sunglasses!


You people are soooooo pissed that Bin Laden is dead. Your favorite boogyman, killed by your second favorite boogyman.
 
2012-07-18 12:54:21 PM  

jakomo002: I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that the USA paid and supported and propped up Hosni Mubarak for 30 years while he was brutalizing and terrorizing them.

I mean, a lot of them probably remember that high-ranking US government officials would come to visit Mubarak with much fanfare and pictures, saying things like "We told Hosni we got his back" and "He's really improving this country and we want to congratulate him".

So, uh, since you consistently and completely farked them over for 3 decades, they feel like they shouldn't trust you.

Shocking, huh? That after 30 years of palling around with their brutal dictator, they're a teensy bit suspicious that you've suddenly "embraced Egyptian Democracy".

/and no, they absolutely positively shouldn't trust the US, and they should continue to exercise their new freedom by pelting anyone with tomatoes that they goddamn want to


I feel like you're not getting the disconnect between "we supported mubarak" and "We are currently funding the Muslim Brotherhood"?
 
2012-07-18 12:54:48 PM  

LibertyHiller: rynthetyn: Do these crazy conspiracy theory people not understand that the Internet is global and people in other countries can read the ridiculous stuff they write? Or do they just not care that their derp is actually starting to hurt US relationships with other countries?

I think they're proud of the harm that they cause. After all, diplomacy is for them striped-pants Ivy League types.


True. It is unfortunate though, and I wish we could figure out a way to make all of those yokels travel abroad and actually get to know people in foreign countries, and not just as hotel staff but actually interacting as equals. One of the smartest things my alma mater did was to require every student to have a cross-cultural experience credit to graduate. Even at my largely right-wing college, they managed to graduate people who had a little bit more sense about the rest of the world than the average Republican because of that requirement.
 
2012-07-18 12:55:23 PM  

I_C_Weener: I don't know if this is true or not, but a fundamental difference between Islamic countries (many non-Islamic countries too) is that since their country has a dual leadership structure of religion and civics, they believe that the same thing is true of the US. So, for instance, they believe that Pat Robertson speaks for the US as much as President Obama does. I can definitely see them extending this to the media and pundits. Hell, Putin asked George W. Bush why Bush didn't fire the media who questioned Bush. Even the freaking leader of the Russian Empire didn't understand that in the West, and in the US specifically, the President is not able to fire reporters from the New York Times.


The freedom of the press is really pretty rare worldwide, most governments censor it and most people just accept it as a matter of course. One of my teachers told the story of some friends of his visiting from the USSR and were absolutely stunned when they came to the United States. They had been reading American newspapers that were talking about protests and riots and racism and economic slumps and so on and had expected things to be a thousand times worse than they really were. They explained that they assumed American newspapers were (naturally) censored like Soviet ones, and if that was the stuff we allowed to get printed then what kind of horrors were we hiding?
 
2012-07-18 12:57:26 PM  

I_C_Weener: qorkfiend: We're just amused that a different opinion on freedom of religion and governance is what makes someone a difference species. It's almost like you're saying that since they think differently they're not actually human, but that can't possibly be what you meant. Right?

I can see how you'd draw that conclusion, but what I'm saying is they are as different from the West as man is from woman. I kinda consider man and woman different species too.


I will concede the second part of my statement about freedom from religion and government might have sounded racist, but was not meant to be. What it meant was the West, from the Magna Carta to the Reformation to the formation of the US has grown from a feudal society unquestioning of the leaders to a representative society protecting the individual from the government and religion. Whereas in the Islamis dominated countries, the opposite is true. A relatively few, either religious or tyrants, have been in control with limited individual rights of the people, and they seem to like that system of governance. That is the difference that makes them so different than Westerners. But yes, the term "species" sounds and looks racist. Basically, I meant "too different as a people" for us to bridge that gulf easily or perhaps at all. And of course, my comment was after the prior comment about how different Russia and the Islamic countries are by pointing out even Putin, as well versed as he is in foreign affairs, didn't understand us...meaning to infer that we have a similar gap with them.

But no doubt, it sounded racist to those who want a dog whistle instead of open communication.
 
2012-07-18 12:58:14 PM  

Tickle Mittens: Citrate1007: I_C_Weener:

I've said it before, in the context of the Iraqis not exactly engaging in a cleanup of their own country, "Maybe the Islamic world really is different than the West. Different as in almost a different species than the one that sought freedom from religion and government controlled by one or a few."

That is one of the most racist and ignorant things I've ever read on Fark. I'm actually at a loss for words.

Settle down Francis, it was a metaphor for the immisciblity of the cultures. I'm neither convinced of the fact nor the relevance of the assumption, but there's no reason to go herniating a ovary over it.


Crap. Now I have to go look up a word.
 
2012-07-18 12:58:38 PM  

EyeballKid: Il Douchey: They're just jealous because Secretary of State Clinton has accomplished so much. Like when she... well, there was the... ok let's see now, what about the progress she made in, um...Oh wait I know, the Reset button!

/And the pic of her checking emails in those cool sunglasses!

You mean aside from establishing tight enough relations with other Middle Eastern countries so that we can waltz into Pakistan, off our most sought-after target in the past 10+ years, fly out with no repercussions? You mean to make sure others in Libya stand up and take care of their own crooked leader problem lest we have to come over there ourselves?

But, I'm sure you've accomplished far greater. Speaking of which, I'd like a toasted 6-inch turkey and avocado on the 9-grain wheat...




Eating lunch while I read this made it funnier.
 
2012-07-18 12:59:43 PM  

qorkfiend: I_C_Weener: Smackledorfer: I_C_Weener: I've said it before, in the context of the Iraqis not exactly engaging in a cleanup of their own country, "Maybe the Islamic world really is different than the West. Different as in almost a different species than the one that sought freedom from religion and government controlled by one or a few."

You're an idiot.

Wow, namecalling....the last refuge of a closed mind. Next time I'll use smaller words so you can follow along with your finger and saying them out loud.

We're just amused that a different opinion on freedom of religion and governance is what makes someone a difference species. It's almost like you're saying that since they think differently they're not actually human, but that can't possibly be what you meant. Right?


He said they were 'almost like' a different species. Not that they were. He also didn't specify that it was the western liberals who were the humans. You just kinda assumed that, if the two are different, yours must be superior.
 
2012-07-18 12:59:53 PM  
Derp knows no boundaries. I'm up in Canada eh and my facebook is full of folks who post Ron Paul and Alex Jones links. The Ron Paul folks are the funniest because they are Canadians who want to end the American federal reserve and ditch the fiat dollar. I can respect an American who wants that stuff but it boggles my mind why a canuck would give a shiat, when we have enough problems here. The real problem is stupidity because people with that quality tend to gobble that shiat up. They love the black and white simplicity of it and the feeling that they are in on some big secret which they figured out because they are smarter than everyone else. And they love feeling persecuted, can't forget that.
 
2012-07-18 01:00:00 PM  

LasersHurt: I feel like you're not getting the disconnect between "we supported mubarak" and "We are currently funding the Muslim Brotherhood"?


No, I get it. The same country that over 30 years threw billions in military aid to Hosni Mubarak, all the while ignoring the Egyptian people's desire for democracy (or let's just call it freedom) is now suddenly willing to do much the same with the Muslim Brotherhood.

You see why Egyptians may be suspicious? The US gave Hosni all this money to ensure that he kept his population in line (by killing, arresting or terrorizing them) and now suddenly they're doing the exact same with the Muslim Brotherhood but THIS time it's for rainbows and lollipops.
 
2012-07-18 01:02:11 PM  
Wait! The ill-informed protesters spouting right-wing rhetoric learned it from... THE RIGHT WING?!?!?! Well this changes EVERYthing.

/except for anything
 
2012-07-18 01:02:49 PM  

jakomo002: LasersHurt: I feel like you're not getting the disconnect between "we supported mubarak" and "We are currently funding the Muslim Brotherhood"?

No, I get it. The same country that over 30 years threw billions in military aid to Hosni Mubarak, all the while ignoring the Egyptian people's desire for democracy (or let's just call it freedom) is now suddenly willing to do much the same with the Muslim Brotherhood.

You see why Egyptians may be suspicious? The US gave Hosni all this money to ensure that he kept his population in line (by killing, arresting or terrorizing them) and now suddenly they're doing the exact same with the Muslim Brotherhood but THIS time it's for rainbows and lollipops.


Nono, the part is the assumption that we ARE funding them. When we're not, as far as anyone knows. That's just a dumb theory.

I get not trusting us, yes, that's legit. But it's not that they don't trust our funding of the MB, it's that we're not actually doing that at all.
 
2012-07-18 01:03:02 PM  

karl2025: I_C_Weener: I don't know if this is true or not, but a fundamental difference between Islamic countries (many non-Islamic countries too) is that since their country has a dual leadership structure of religion and civics, they believe that the same thing is true of the US. So, for instance, they believe that Pat Robertson speaks for the US as much as President Obama does. I can definitely see them extending this to the media and pundits. Hell, Putin asked George W. Bush why Bush didn't fire the media who questioned Bush. Even the freaking leader of the Russian Empire didn't understand that in the West, and in the US specifically, the President is not able to fire reporters from the New York Times.

The freedom of the press is really pretty rare worldwide, most governments censor it and most people just accept it as a matter of course. One of my teachers told the story of some friends of his visiting from the USSR and were absolutely stunned when they came to the United States. They had been reading American newspapers that were talking about protests and riots and racism and economic slumps and so on and had expected things to be a thousand times worse than they really were. They explained that they assumed American newspapers were (naturally) censored like Soviet ones, and if that was the stuff we allowed to get printed then what kind of horrors were we hiding?


This. I've seen similar stories. I've heard them while living in China. And it permeates the North Korean regime's information control, I'm sure.
 
2012-07-18 01:03:26 PM  

Ned Stark: qorkfiend: I_C_Weener: Smackledorfer: I_C_Weener: I've said it before, in the context of the Iraqis not exactly engaging in a cleanup of their own country, "Maybe the Islamic world really is different than the West. Different as in almost a different species than the one that sought freedom from religion and government controlled by one or a few."

You're an idiot.

Wow, namecalling....the last refuge of a closed mind. Next time I'll use smaller words so you can follow along with your finger and saying them out loud.

We're just amused that a different opinion on freedom of religion and governance is what makes someone a difference species. It's almost like you're saying that since they think differently they're not actually human, but that can't possibly be what you meant. Right?

He said they were 'almost like' a different species. Not that they were. He also didn't specify that it was the western liberals who were the humans. You just kinda assumed that, if the two are different, yours must be superior.


emotibot.net

Willie Geist would like to remind everyone that calling someone human does not indicate superiority. Human Exceptionalism - we f*cked up the planet in a way only WE could, so enjoy Mr. Fruit Fly!™
 
2012-07-18 01:04:01 PM  

I_C_Weener: I will concede the second part of my statement about freedom from religion and government might have sounded racist, but was not meant to be. What it meant was the West, from the Magna Carta to the Reformation to the formation of the US has grown from a feudal society unquestioning of the leaders to a representative society protecting the individual from the government and religion.


Your view of history is rather deeply flawed. Let me take one example...

The Reformation was NOT a step toward religious freedom or a separation of government and religion. Quite the opposite, it was generally a fusion of government and religion. There was a widespread trend for the government, be it small principalities as in the German states, or in nation-states as in England, to select a particular religious teaching, and to enforce that teaching with all the tools government bring to bear, including execution.
 
2012-07-18 01:04:21 PM  

quatchi: You know that whole "A lie can go around the world three times before the truth finishes tying it's shoes" thing?

It's true.

Gratz, RW derpmeisters. Not content to merely poisob political discourse for a single nation your insane paranoid fantasy drek is now bubbling over internationally.

Your stupid has gone viral. Revel in it.


Not only that but it's hampering our efforts to deal diplomatically with a new potential ally and making us weaker in one of the most important theaters in the world. I guess it's ok to embolden our enemies and weaken our country internationally if the conservatives do it.
 
2012-07-18 01:06:16 PM  
Republicans... Damaging us at home, and abroad for (at minimum) the last 12 years.
 
2012-07-18 01:06:21 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: I submitted this with the headline, "Derp Like An Egyptian."


+1.
 
2012-07-18 01:09:22 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: I_C_Weener: I will concede the second part of my statement about freedom from religion and government might have sounded racist, but was not meant to be. What it meant was the West, from the Magna Carta to the Reformation to the formation of the US has grown from a feudal society unquestioning of the leaders to a representative society protecting the individual from the government and religion.

Your view of history is rather deeply flawed. Let me take one example...

The Reformation was NOT a step toward religious freedom or a separation of government and religion. Quite the opposite, it was generally a fusion of government and religion. There was a widespread trend for the government, be it small principalities as in the German states, or in nation-states as in England, to select a particular religious teaching, and to enforce that teaching with all the tools government bring to bear, including execution.


We disagree. Apparently, you aren't aware of the control over the land that the Roman Catholic Church had pre-reformation. But this is a bigger discussion than this thread. Pre-reformation was only central control. The reformation directly led to the secularization of Western government by seperating the church from a role in the state. Yes, it decentralized religion leading to all kinds of abuses, which eventually led to what we have now...a primarily secular government system for Europe and the Americas. Without the Reformation, we'd have the Pope running things in concert with that 1/3 of the world. As it is, none of those countries answer to the Pope or a religious order when making government decisions. Thanks to the Reformation.
 
2012-07-18 01:10:19 PM  

LasersHurt: I get not trusting us, yes, that's legit. But it's not that they don't trust our funding of the MB, it's that we're not actually doing that at all.


Of course the USA is going to fund the Muslim Brotherhood. Or the military.

How is the USA going to get the MB to do what they want? Like make sure they play nice with Israel first and foremost.

Money. American greenbacks. Clinton wasn't there to chitchat about the pyramids. She wanted to know if the MB was gonna play ball or if the USA would have to "step in".

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/24/world/middleeast/once-imperiled-uni t ed-states-aid-to-egypt-is-restored.html

An intense debate within the Obama administration over resuming military assistance to Egypt, which in the end was approved Friday by Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, turned in part on a question that had nothing to do with democratic progress in Egypt but rather with American jobs at home.

A delay or a cut in $1.3 billion in military aid to Egypt risked breaking existing contracts with American arms manufacturers that could have shut down production lines in the middle of President Obama's re-election campaign and involved significant financial penalties, according to officials involved in the debate.

The companies involved include Lockheed Martin, which is scheduled to ship the first of a batch of 20 new F-16 fighter jets next month, and General Dynamics, which last year signed a $395 million contract to deliver component parts for 125 Abrams M1A1 tanks that are being assembled at a plant in Egypt.


Like any good mobster, the money that America gives to Egypt's government is not free. They're expected to do certain things that the US approves of, and which might be in direct contradiction to what the actual people want (as is evidenced, again, by 30 years of US support of Hosni Mubarak).
 
2012-07-18 01:12:48 PM  

I_C_Weener: karl2025: I_C_Weener: I don't know if this is true or not, but a fundamental difference between Islamic countries (many non-Islamic countries too) is that since their country has a dual leadership structure of religion and civics, they believe that the same thing is true of the US. So, for instance, they believe that Pat Robertson speaks for the US as much as President Obama does. I can definitely see them extending this to the media and pundits. Hell, Putin asked George W. Bush why Bush didn't fire the media who questioned Bush. Even the freaking leader of the Russian Empire didn't understand that in the West, and in the US specifically, the President is not able to fire reporters from the New York Times.

The freedom of the press is really pretty rare worldwide, most governments censor it and most people just accept it as a matter of course. One of my teachers told the story of some friends of his visiting from the USSR and were absolutely stunned when they came to the United States. They had been reading American newspapers that were talking about protests and riots and racism and economic slumps and so on and had expected things to be a thousand times worse than they really were. They explained that they assumed American newspapers were (naturally) censored like Soviet ones, and if that was the stuff we allowed to get printed then what kind of horrors were we hiding?

This. I've seen similar stories. I've heard them while living in China. And it permeates the North Korean regime's information control, I'm sure.


And now that we've got instantaneous global exchange of information via the internet, it's trivial effort to follow what's happening in US politics from anywhere on the planet. As I've been back in Vietnam visiting the last few weeks I've had former students ask me about various things with American politics (I taught foreign relations majors, they're all news junkies), and I've had to explain about how biatching about everything in government is a long-running American past time dating back to the founders arguing with each other about everything.

Another fun one? Trying to explain the Second Amendment and why Americans all think they need guns.
 
2012-07-18 01:13:27 PM  

AngryPoet: The US has a long history of puppets in the region...I don't really think they see a D or an R...They see US for what we have done not what we are saying...


Yeah but those "puppets" tend not to be Islamist.
 
2012-07-18 01:16:39 PM  

Arkanaut: Yeah but those "puppets" tend not to be Islamist.


You're right, not always. But they do sometimes. What was Pervez Musharaf? A dictator , but an "Islamist" one.

They'll support Islamists before they support Arab nationalists.
 
2012-07-18 01:17:41 PM  

I_C_Weener: Philip Francis Queeg: I_C_Weener: I will concede the second part of my statement about freedom from religion and government might have sounded racist, but was not meant to be. What it meant was the West, from the Magna Carta to the Reformation to the formation of the US has grown from a feudal society unquestioning of the leaders to a representative society protecting the individual from the government and religion.

Your view of history is rather deeply flawed. Let me take one example...

The Reformation was NOT a step toward religious freedom or a separation of government and religion. Quite the opposite, it was generally a fusion of government and religion. There was a widespread trend for the government, be it small principalities as in the German states, or in nation-states as in England, to select a particular religious teaching, and to enforce that teaching with all the tools government bring to bear, including execution.

We disagree. Apparently, you aren't aware of the control over the land that the Roman Catholic Church had pre-reformation. But this is a bigger discussion than this thread. Pre-reformation was only central control. The reformation directly led to the secularization of Western government by seperating the church from a role in the state. Yes, it decentralized religion leading to all kinds of abuses, which eventually led to what we have now...a primarily secular government system for Europe and the Americas. Without the Reformation, we'd have the Pope running things in concert with that 1/3 of the world. As it is, none of those countries answer to the Pope or a religious order when making government decisions. Thanks to the Reformation.


Yes, I am very aware of the Roman Catholic Church and it's power. That power was largely an alternate power structure to the governments of the time. The reformation and most places removed that alternate power structure and UNITED it with the state. The state began to chose the beliefs, select the religious hierarchy and control the lands previously held by the church.

I'd really recommend you read The Reformation: A History by Diarmaid MacCulloch
 
2012-07-18 01:18:41 PM  
American news....HA!
 
2012-07-18 01:27:27 PM  
Astrosand?
 
2012-07-18 01:27:58 PM  
Wow. Just... wow.

I mean, I've heard of the Law of Unintended Consequences, but this... just wow.
 
2012-07-18 01:28:28 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: I_C_Weener: Philip Francis Queeg: I_C_Weener: I will concede the second part of my statement about freedom from religion and government might have sounded racist, but was not meant to be. What it meant was the West, from the Magna Carta to the Reformation to the formation of the US has grown from a feudal society unquestioning of the leaders to a representative society protecting the individual from the government and religion.

Your view of history is rather deeply flawed. Let me take one example...

The Reformation was NOT a step toward religious freedom or a separation of government and religion. Quite the opposite, it was generally a fusion of government and religion. There was a widespread trend for the government, be it small principalities as in the German states, or in nation-states as in England, to select a particular religious teaching, and to enforce that teaching with all the tools government bring to bear, including execution.

We disagree. Apparently, you aren't aware of the control over the land that the Roman Catholic Church had pre-reformation. But this is a bigger discussion than this thread. Pre-reformation was only central control. The reformation directly led to the secularization of Western government by seperating the church from a role in the state. Yes, it decentralized religion leading to all kinds of abuses, which eventually led to what we have now...a primarily secular government system for Europe and the Americas. Without the Reformation, we'd have the Pope running things in concert with that 1/3 of the world. As it is, none of those countries answer to the Pope or a religious order when making government decisions. Thanks to the Reformation.

Yes, I am very aware of the Roman Catholic Church and it's power. That power was largely an alternate power structure to the governments of the time. The reformation and most places removed that alternate power structure and UNITED it with the state. The state began to chose the beliefs, s ...


His majesty is offended.
scp-wiki.wdfiles.com
/hotlink'd
 
2012-07-18 01:30:17 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: I submitted this with the headline, "Derp Like An Egyptian."


I had a "chuck like an Egyptian" joke in the original thread that got no love.

/Apparently the Venn diagram of Bangles fans and Fark Politics Tab junkies resembles two hulu hoops thrown in opposite directions.
 
2012-07-18 01:30:59 PM  
Well, the next 20 years or so should be fun, for certain definitions of the word, "fun".

/This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.
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2012-07-18 01:31:45 PM  
Every single link on the politics tab today is a left-wing attack on the right. Lets just admit it, FARK just spreads Democrat talking points. What makes is funny though is how easy it is to debunk just about everyone of the articles posted here.
 
2012-07-18 01:34:11 PM  

lordaction: Every single link on the politics tab today is a left-wing attack on the right. Lets just admit it, FARK just spreads Democrat talking points. What makes is funny though is how easy it is to debunk just about everyone of the articles posted here.


www.askipedia.com
 
2012-07-18 01:35:33 PM  

Arkanaut: AngryPoet: The US has a long history of puppets in the region...I don't really think they see a D or an R...They see US for what we have done not what we are saying...

Yeah but those "puppets" tend not to be Islamist.


I agree with that ...but in people's minds I can see where the distrust can come from....dumping fuel on the fire in an election year...I can see where that would come from as well...
 
2012-07-18 01:36:24 PM  

jakomo002: Arkanaut: Yeah but those "puppets" tend not to be Islamist.

You're right, not always. But they do sometimes. What was Pervez Musharaf? A dictator , but an "Islamist" one.

They'll support Islamists before they support Arab nationalists.


No he wasn't. He was basically a military dictator, but didn't have any particularly Islamist ties or policies. Also technically Pakistan isn't "in the region" per AngryPoet's post.
 
2012-07-18 01:44:45 PM  

lordaction: Every single link on the politics tab today is a left-wing attack on the right. Lets just admit it, FARK just spreads Democrat talking points. What makes is funny though is how easy it is to debunk just about everyone of the articles posted here.


emotibot.net

Willie Geist invites you to look at all the Townhall, NRO and WND links over the past 3 days, retract your statement, and then promptly leave the thread like the embarrassing fool you are for your simple inability to be objective when the task is merely counting.
 
2012-07-18 01:55:23 PM  
When the meter was still active it was in a permanent left position. That was for 2 years. What was that about counting?

Also, when you have to resort to personal insults when trying to engage in a debate, it ought to be a pretty good indicator for you that the facts are not on your side.
 
2012-07-18 02:01:06 PM  
Does our right to free speech exceed our own borders? Is it even ethical to push that upon anyone else? They flat out banned Savage in the U.K. I think. These emotional muckrakers going on 3-5 hour rants that only represent a very small portion of the population who are even susceptible to this completely pointless angry banter having free reign over the radio waves of the world (thank you commerce based communication1!!) where digital is not the standard isn't reflecting on the country I'm hoping America will become this century. I don't think I'm alone here. It's just not sending the message the majority of people would want to send if they had the choice, or even knew to send if they knew they even had the choice.

We also got trolled into thinking they were gonna demolish the Pyramids. I'll admit it, I was saying, "Those farkers!" against whoever was voted into office after all that protesting. I know I wasn't alone even among people on this tread. America could learn a lot from Iceland when it comes to international relations, I think.
 
2012-07-18 02:02:33 PM  

lordaction: When the meter was still active it was in a permanent left position. That was for 2 years. What was that about counting?

Also, when you have to resort to personal insults when trying to engage in a debate, it ought to be a pretty good indicator for you that the facts are not on your side.


emotibot.net

Willie Geist thinks it's cute that you're arguing about facts regarding how many conservative vs. liberal threads are here. Willie Geist would also like to remind you that the least credible liberal thread is still more credible than Newsmax or WND. But carry on, Patriot of Tea-infused Eagle Tears! One day Willie Geist will join you on that self-made cross and rot with you as your imaginary crucifiers scoff as your lifeless, formerly rage-ridden body is eaten by said Patriot Eagles.
 
2012-07-18 02:05:53 PM  
I have never in my life known people more susceptible to buying into and subscribing to conspiracy theories than Arabs, and I've lived on five continents and traveled in over 50 countries. They make Teabaggers and Alex Jones seem sensible by comparison. The frustrating thing is that it's not just the illiterate or poor ones, it extends into high government positions and among people with PhDs earned in Western academia.

It's so typical of Teabaggers that they would gladly collude with Muslims, about whom they express the most fear. Ultimately, they're just mercenary opportunists and have no genuine core beliefs or integrity.
 
2012-07-18 02:11:12 PM  

Huggermugger: I have never in my life known people more susceptible to buying into and subscribing to conspiracy theories than Arabs, and I've lived on five continents and traveled in over 50 countries. They make Teabaggers and Alex Jones seem sensible by comparison. The frustrating thing is that it's not just the illiterate or poor ones, it extends into high government positions and among people with PhDs earned in Western academia.

It's so typical of Teabaggers that they would gladly collude with Muslims, about whom they express the most fear. Ultimately, they're just mercenary opportunists and have no genuine core beliefs or integrity.


Quick hypothesis on that: some cultures (and I am assuming Arab society / culture is like this but have no actual knowledge) in Africa and probably other places, presumably the Middle East, revere teachers to the level that our sports stars are lauded by our stupid American youth. In Tanzania, for instance, the first president Julius Nyerere was more often titled "Mwalimu" (or Teacher) rather than "Rais" (President). And so, whatever derp-strewn feces people of an authoritarian or educational background spew upon the masses is likely to be regarded as fact, in part because knowledge is at such a premium in some of these places.
 
2012-07-18 02:13:11 PM  

James F. Campbell: Citrate1007: Subterfuge is a fascists greatest weapon and is being employed by the GOP at an increasing rate.

But I guess second amendment solutions are reserved only for Democrats, right?


How many proposed/enacted gun control laws have we seen in the last 3 1/2 years vs. how many have we seen restricting voter rights (with politically motivated enforcement), oppressive legislation (rape wand, penis goes where), etc laws have we seen.

Loosen your tinfoil hat, there are no black helicopters coming for you.
 
2012-07-18 02:17:23 PM  

coeyagi: lordaction: When the meter was still active it was in a permanent left position. That was for 2 years. What was that about counting?

Also, when you have to resort to personal insults when trying to engage in a debate, it ought to be a pretty good indicator for you that the facts are not on your side.

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Willie Geist thinks it's cute that you're arguing about facts regarding how many conservative vs. liberal threads are here. Willie Geist would also like to remind you that the least credible liberal thread is still more credible than Newsmax or WND. But carry on, Patriot of Tea-infused Eagle Tears! One day Willie Geist will join you on that self-made cross and rot with you as your imaginary crucifiers scoff as your lifeless, formerly rage-ridden body is eaten by said Patriot Eagles.


3/10

I would have gone with:

"One time I was totally shopping at my local 100% natural GMO free farmer's market with my retarded, cancer ridden, wheelchair bound, autistic, atheist, little cousin who loves Radiohead and hates Nickelback, when literally ten cops in full riot gear came over and beat her senseless and then tazed her body repeatedly while praising Jesus and loudly proclaiming how they were totally corporate puppets doing the bidding of evil faceless corporate Hitler's. I beseeched them with reason and my comprehensive knowledge of logical fallacies but to no avail, they laughed at me and said, 'Romney 2012, pot is bad, and healthcare is a complex issue that will take some time to sort out, also Bush is not completely at fault for the current economic conditions.' It is idiots like you who gave my cousin PTSD and more autism. Go fark yourself."
 
2012-07-18 02:17:32 PM  
Phillip Francis Queeg

We aren't really in disagreement. I'll look at that book. I found the Reformation less interesting than the Renaissance or the Dark Ages though.
 
2012-07-18 02:21:06 PM  

Citrate1007: Loosen your tinfoil hat, there are no black helicopters coming for you.


I am mocking you because you are a known liar and guns-rights activist.
 
2012-07-18 02:23:10 PM  

lordaction: Every single link on the politics tab today is a left-wing attack on the right. Lets just admit it, FARK just spreads Democrat talking points. What makes is funny though is how easy it is to debunk just about everyone of the articles posted here succumb to my own confirmation bias .


Perhaps you would feel more comfortable in a controlled environment like FreeRepublic.com? You know... a place where alternate points of view aren't just pointed at and laughed at, but censored so that people with delicate sensibilities such as yourself are protected from having your ideological preconceptions challenged.

Of course you could just continue to play the poor, oppressed victim. Maybe you can drum up some sympathy with that tack. I think we all know that reality can be quite cruel,.. especially to conservatives.
 
2012-07-18 02:33:32 PM  

lordaction: coeyagi: lordaction: When the meter was still active it was in a permanent left position. That was for 2 years. What was that about counting?

Also, when you have to resort to personal insults when trying to engage in a debate, it ought to be a pretty good indicator for you that the facts are not on your side.

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Willie Geist thinks it's cute that you're arguing about facts regarding how many conservative vs. liberal threads are here. Willie Geist would also like to remind you that the least credible liberal thread is still more credible than Newsmax or WND. But carry on, Patriot of Tea-infused Eagle Tears! One day Willie Geist will join you on that self-made cross and rot with you as your imaginary crucifiers scoff as your lifeless, formerly rage-ridden body is eaten by said Patriot Eagles.

3/10

I would have gone with:

"One time I was totally shopping at my local 100% natural GMO free farmer's market with my retarded, cancer ridden, wheelchair bound, autistic, atheist, little cousin who loves Radiohead and hates Nickelback, when literally ten cops in full riot gear came over and beat her senseless and then tazed her body repeatedly while praising Jesus and loudly proclaiming how they were totally corporate puppets doing the bidding of evil faceless corporate Hitler's. I beseeched them with reason and my comprehensive knowledge of logical fallacies but to no avail, they laughed at me and said, 'Romney 2012, pot is bad, and healthcare is a complex issue that will take some time to sort out, also Bush is not completely at fault for the current economic conditions.' It is idiots like you who gave my cousin PTSD and more autism. Go fark yourself."


Willie Geist thinks that despite your hyperbole, you're catching on.
 
2012-07-18 02:37:03 PM  

lordaction: 3/10

I would have gone with:

"One time I was totally shopping at my local 100% natural GMO free farmer's market with my retarded, cancer ridden, wheelchair bound, autistic, atheist, little cousin who loves Radiohead and hates Nickelback, when literally ten cops in full riot gear came over and beat her senseless and then tazed her body repeatedly while praising Jesus and loudly proclaiming how they were totally corporate puppets doing the bidding of evil faceless corporate Hitler's. I beseeched them with reason and my comprehensive knowledge of logical fallacies but to no avail, they laughed at me and said, 'Romney 2012, pot is bad, and healthcare is a complex issue that will take some time to sort out, also Bush is not completely at fault for the current economic conditions.' It is idiots like you who gave my cousin PTSD and more autism. Go fark yourself."


You would have gone with that and expected more than 3/10?

bloguinmedia.com
 
2012-07-18 03:02:58 PM  
But when people in other countries hated Bush or a member of his administration it was because they were informed and it was totally justified right?

Of course.
 
2012-07-18 03:04:19 PM  

lordaction: Every single link on the politics tab today is a left-wing attack on the right. Lets just admit it, FARK just spreads Democrat talking points. What makes is funny though is how easy it is to debunk just about everyone of the articles posted here.


Except the days when we're flooded with WND, Townhall,Daily Caller, Red State, etc. etc.

Spare us your persecution complex.
 
2012-07-18 03:08:54 PM  
Even McCain is calling out Bachmann on her recklessness and stupidity. And this is the man who picked recklessness and stupidity as his running mate.
 
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