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2012-07-18 02:34:10 PM
well, they've gone off of unemployment, so that helps the president's numbers, so there's that.
 
2012-07-18 02:35:06 PM

bdub77: Because I'm sure your story reflects every person out there claiming disability.


The guy whose evidence is on par with "momma said alligators is ornery on account of they gots so many teeth and no toothbrush" has no room to talk about anecdotal evidence. I'm sure your daddy the judge has a completely unbiased and medically sound view with which to decide that none of the people applying for disability that he sees have a need for it.
 
2012-07-18 02:35:46 PM

farkityfarker: If the only two choices are to pretend to be disabled to get benefits or live on the streets, which would you choose?


You assume that everyone who is on Disability is a fraud by default. Don't let the gop get into your head that way!
 
2012-07-18 02:37:05 PM

TV's Vinnie: Headso: The problem is that you can claim you are crazy and get on disability, you can thank Reagan for that. If claiming you are crazy would get you sent to a mental hospital instead of getting a monthly stipend and food stamps and other forms of assistance you'd have a hell of a lot less people cheating disability. The added bonus would be actual crazy people could get some form of help instead of being homeless because they are too crazy to actually deal with applying for disability.

Actually, you need more than just saying you're crazy to qualify. You also need some documented proof that you are crazy.

Your comment just now is a good start. Keep at it and good luck.


I am quite aware of what you need to do, we have a guy that gets disability who works for us on occasion cleaning stalls and digging fence posts.
 
2012-07-18 02:39:27 PM

Tarl3k: bdub77: Because I'm sure your story reflects every person out there claiming disability.

There are plenty of people who claim disability who aren't disabled. The fact that you are not one of them does not mean they don't exist. The fact that a large portion of them are being arrested for DUIs, drugs, violent crimes, etc., does seem to indicate to me that there is something else going on there.

When I say outward signs of disability I am not referring to people walking around crippled, I am referring to both their physical and mental capacity as observed in the environment (and of course from a third-person perspective). Perhaps your specific disability has no outward symptoms, well I'm sorry. And perhaps some of these people are just literally so permanently brain damaged from drug addiction that this is the result. But I'm highly skeptical. And when you look at the statistics, 50% of applications approved in 2000 to only 35% of applications approved in 2011, it tells me there's something else going on there. Are standards getting stricter or are there just more people filing for it? Aging population and overall population is only a factor in an increase from 5 million to almost 9 million in 12 years. I don't think it's the whole story.

It isn't whether or not my story "reflects every person out there claiming disability." What is important is that douchebags like you make blanket statements like "most of the people he sees in criminal court claim disability - people who do not seem to outwardly have any disabilities other than probably having a strong desire not to work". When you have NO clue what their disability is, how severe it is, or anything that would allow you to do anything intelligent. Instead, you would throw out the baby with the bathwater, and people like me would end up getting screwed, and by extension hurting my family and the people around me...

/class starts in 4 mins, later


It's not a blanket statement, it's a fact based on discussions I've had - the hard truth is that a large portion of the people he deals with are claiming disability, especially when you consider only something like 3% of Americans claim disability. This isn't a blanket claim, it is however as anecdotal as yours - I certainly don't have the raw data. I will say that there is fraud in the system, because there's always fraud in the system. The question is whether or not it is rampant or manageable. And I think more examination is required, especially given the rise of claims.

People who pass cursory examination of mental illness like you would obviously qualify - but if you see someone who's just gone off the last of their unemployment suddenly claiming disability - I'd be looking hard at that.
 
2012-07-18 02:40:15 PM

Headso: I am quite aware of what you need to do, we have a guy that gets disability who works for us on occasion cleaning stalls and digging fence posts.


And I'm sure you always make sure he never forgets to "know his place", right?
 
2012-07-18 02:41:04 PM

TV's Vinnie: Headso: The problem is that you can claim you are crazy and get on disability, you can thank Reagan for that. If claiming you are crazy would get you sent to a mental hospital instead of getting a monthly stipend and food stamps and other forms of assistance you'd have a hell of a lot less people cheating disability. The added bonus would be actual crazy people could get some form of help instead of being homeless because they are too crazy to actually deal with applying for disability.

Actually, you need more than just saying you're crazy to qualify. You also need some documented proof that you are crazy.

Your comment just now is a good start. Keep at it and good luck.


He's absolutely right about the government fight against mental hospitals though. Schizophrenics can make poor outpatients, and homeless people often cost cities more than taking care of them.
 
2012-07-18 02:41:58 PM

rikdanger: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x281]

I'm disabled! (and hotlinked)


I literally almost threw up from laughing the first time I saw that episode.

/Welcome...TO THE UNITED QUEENDOM!!
 
2012-07-18 02:43:37 PM
I guess I take issue with the use of the word "disabled" here to imply not able to work. I broke my back in a motorcycle accident 27 years ago and work 55+ hours a week so I consider myself disabled as I cannot walk but that does not prevent me from working.
 
2012-07-18 02:46:20 PM
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2012-07-18 02:52:41 PM
We are quickly becoming a nation of the disdifferently-abled
 
2012-07-18 02:53:52 PM

Smackledorfer: He's absolutely right about the government fight against mental hospitals though. Schizophrenics can make poor outpatients, and homeless people often cost cities more than taking care of them.


Sooooo, lock em all back up (crazies, retards, people who don't vote for Sherriff Arapaio, etc.) and give em all several thousand volts through the coconut, right?

You know, the reason WHY these places were shut down is because 1. warehousing the mentally ill is a vile practice, 2. it can actually make people even MORE crazy, and 3. Google up the word "Willowbrook" sometime.
 
2012-07-18 02:57:13 PM

TV's Vinnie: farkityfarker: If the only two choices are to pretend to be disabled to get benefits or live on the streets, which would you choose?

You assume that everyone who is on Disability is a fraud by default. Don't let the gop get into your head that way!


To me this is the other side of the coin. It gets turned into a political issue, when what it should be is a data driven issue. Is SSDI fraud occurring at unsustainable levels? Let's see if there's a way we can find out! People should be analyzing data and determining likelihood that something is amiss, and then coming up with solutions that would serve everyone best.

Maybe in the end they determine some causality by tying data together - aging populace, war veterans, obesity might account for some percentage of it - other factors might be unemployment, generational poverty, education, or drug use. Maybe they'll find that if unemployment went to 5% that things would/should change and track it.

Medicare fraud was widespread in Florida for a long time, I'm not sure they've entirely fixed that situation. It's not like this stuff doesn't happen. The GOP can be condemned for plenty, but they are not entirely wrong about government waste.
 
2012-07-18 02:58:36 PM

TV's Vinnie: Smackledorfer: He's absolutely right about the government fight against mental hospitals though. Schizophrenics can make poor outpatients, and homeless people often cost cities more than taking care of them.

Sooooo, lock em all back up (crazies, retards, people who don't vote for Sherriff Arapaio, etc.) and give em all several thousand volts through the coconut, right?

You know, the reason WHY these places were shut down is because 1. warehousing the mentally ill is a vile practice, 2. it can actually make people even MORE crazy, and 3. Google up the word "Willowbrook" sometime.


Are you being disingenuous here or are you stupid enough to believe that the only two options are locking them up vs. no meaningful aid whatsoever?
 
2012-07-18 03:03:32 PM

Smackledorfer: TV's Vinnie: Smackledorfer: He's absolutely right about the government fight against mental hospitals though. Schizophrenics can make poor outpatients, and homeless people often cost cities more than taking care of them.

Sooooo, lock em all back up (crazies, retards, people who don't vote for Sherriff Arapaio, etc.) and give em all several thousand volts through the coconut, right?

You know, the reason WHY these places were shut down is because 1. warehousing the mentally ill is a vile practice, 2. it can actually make people even MORE crazy, and 3. Google up the word "Willowbrook" sometime.

Are you being disingenuous here or are you stupid enough to believe that the only two options are locking them up vs. no meaningful aid whatsoever?


Well, that seems to be the only choices being offered. The ones who b*tch the most about the mentally disabled seem to be the ones who are in favor of dumping them back into nuthouses again so they won't have to look at them. They certainly aren't going to suggest any outpatient aid because socialism.
 
2012-07-18 03:05:45 PM

TV's Vinnie: Smackledorfer: He's absolutely right about the government fight against mental hospitals though. Schizophrenics can make poor outpatients, and homeless people often cost cities more than taking care of them.

Sooooo, lock em all back up (crazies, retards, people who don't vote for Sherriff Arapaio, etc.) and give em all several thousand volts through the coconut, right?

You know, the reason WHY these places were shut down is because 1. warehousing the mentally ill is a vile practice, 2. it can actually make people even MORE crazy, and 3. Google up the word "Willowbrook" sometime.


you could subsidize group homes and give them the care they need. Now we just put them in jail. Not sure why someone would advocate our current system as better than one where the truly mentally ill get care and those trying to game the system have nothing to gain.
 
2012-07-18 03:07:29 PM
My wife is on SSDI for chronic migraines and cluster headaches, so I'm getting a kick, etc.

She usually shows no outward signs of her disability. Most of the time she is fine. But several days a month (including today, coincidentally) she is pretty much unable to move, and has to be in a cool, darkened room for most of the day. And this is no delicate flower. She grew up crashing dirt bikes and getting thrown off of horses. So she has a pretty high pain tolerance. But every few weeks she gets her ass handed to her.

She started looking into disability when the company she was with for 14 years all of the sudden decided that although she had literally hundreds of sick days accumulated, she was using them too frequently. Too frequently being more than 3 instances per quarter. So they threatened her with termination, she applied for disability, and has been on it ever since. She is required to regularly visit the only doctor that will see her in our area, and he is an hour away on a good traffic day, and her case gets reviewed yearly. She has been forced to endure just about every treatment available (some of which did much more harm than good) for fear of being thrown off of SSDI for refusing treatment. She has to keep meticulous records of everything pertaining to her health.

My point is that before you judge, know the facts. SSDI is not easy to get, and is even harder to keep getting. And not everyone on it shows signs of their disability, or is a lazy slob.
 
2012-07-18 03:12:56 PM

Il Douchey: Obama espouses the philosophy of "From each according to ability to each according to need"


No. No, he doesn't.

Please stop being stupid.
 
2012-07-18 03:14:01 PM

TV's Vinnie: Smackledorfer: TV's Vinnie: Smackledorfer: He's absolutely right about the government fight against mental hospitals though. Schizophrenics can make poor outpatients, and homeless people often cost cities more than taking care of them.

Sooooo, lock em all back up (crazies, retards, people who don't vote for Sherriff Arapaio, etc.) and give em all several thousand volts through the coconut, right?

You know, the reason WHY these places were shut down is because 1. warehousing the mentally ill is a vile practice, 2. it can actually make people even MORE crazy, and 3. Google up the word "Willowbrook" sometime.

Are you being disingenuous here or are you stupid enough to believe that the only two options are locking them up vs. no meaningful aid whatsoever?

Well, that seems to be the only choices being offered. The ones who b*tch the most about the mentally disabled seem to be the ones who are in favor of dumping them back into nuthouses again so they won't have to look at them. They certainly aren't going to suggest any outpatient aid because socialism.


None of that has anything at all to do with what I said, except that instead of reading the words I wrote you jumped to the conclusion that I want all the mentally ill for torture. Then you can't even answer my question without waffling trotting out a strawman of what you perceive a group of people to believe.

fark you.
 
2012-07-18 03:15:18 PM
Tor_Eckman


My wife is on SSDI for chronic migraines and cluster headaches, so I'm getting a kick, etc.

She usually shows no outward signs of her disability. Most of the time she is fine. But several days a month (including today, coincidentally) she is pretty much unable to move, and has to be in a cool, darkened room for most of the day. And this is no delicate flower. She grew up crashing dirt bikes and getting thrown off of horses. So she has a pretty high pain tolerance. But every few weeks she gets her ass handed to her.

She started looking into disability when the company she was with for 14 years all of the sudden decided that although she had literally hundreds of sick days accumulated, she was using them too frequently. Too frequently being more than 3 instances per quarter. So they threatened her with termination, she applied for disability, and has been on it ever since. She is required to regularly visit the only doctor that will see her in our area, and he is an hour away on a good traffic day, and her case gets reviewed yearly. She has been forced to endure just about every treatment available (some of which did much more harm than good) for fear of being thrown off of SSDI for refusing treatment. She has to keep meticulous records of everything pertaining to her health.

My point is that before you judge, know the facts. SSDI is not easy to get, and is even harder to keep getting. And not everyone on it shows signs of their disability, or is a lazy slob.



My wife gets a headache every night before we go to bed - I wonder if she would qualify to SSDI also.
 
2012-07-18 03:24:42 PM
Tor_Eckman

My wife is on SSDI for chronic migraines and cluster headaches, so I'm getting a kick, etc.

She usually shows no outward signs of her disability. Most of the time she is fine. But several days a month (including today, coincidentally) she is pretty much unable to move, and has to be in a cool, darkened room for most of the day. And this is no delicate flower. She grew up crashing dirt bikes and getting thrown off of horses. So she has a pretty high pain tolerance. But every few weeks she gets her ass handed to her.

She started looking into disability when the company she was with for 14 years all of the sudden decided that although she had literally hundreds of sick days accumulated, she was using them too frequently. Too frequently being more than 3 instances per quarter. So they threatened her with termination, she applied for disability, and has been on it ever since. She is required to regularly visit the only doctor that will see her in our area, and he is an hour away on a good traffic day, and her case gets reviewed yearly. She has been forced to endure just about every treatment available (some of which did much more harm than good) for fear of being thrown off of SSDI for refusing treatment. She has to keep meticulous records of everything pertaining to her health.

My point is that before you judge, know the facts. SSDI is not easy to get, and is even harder to keep getting. And not everyone on it shows signs of their disability, or is a lazy slob.



What's the old liberal adage? "Anything free is worth fighting for."
 
2012-07-18 03:46:14 PM
I'm a liberal, a moderate liberal, I suppose (pro guns, pro choice for instance). I have to agree that there are quite a few people on disability that ought not to be on it. That said, I believe that the majority of those on disability are truly disabled.

I think there should be more restrictions for those with diseases that are curable (obesity comes to mind, put down the goddamn sammich). I think there should be incentives to help those people get better and back to work. Say putting a timeline with goals to reduce weight in order to continue receiving benefits, unless there are other health problems that prevent this.

I worked for CMS (Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services) for a number of years and I did see a lot of people that would fall into the "I'm lazy and don't want to actually work" category but, again most people were legitimately in bad shape. I can't go into too many details or anecdotes because of privacy rules, but I actually think it would be easy to sort out the lazy from the disabled.
 
2012-07-18 03:57:47 PM

Smackledorfer: None of that has anything at all to do with what I said, except that instead of reading the words I wrote you jumped to the conclusion that I want all the mentally ill for torture.


Because 99.9999% of the time, that's exactly what is being implied.

Of course, some won't say it out loud of course, sometimes.

But, give the Teabaggers time. They'll be calling for Willowbrooks be be set up all over the place. They won't want any gubmit funds to pay for it of course, so it'll be privately-run Willowbrooks, guaranteed to make the original state-run hellholes look like Spring Break in Cancun in comparison.
 
2012-07-18 03:59:38 PM

Headso: you could subsidize group homes and give them the care they need.


Good luck with that. HMOs will NIMBY the living crap out of you (like they do here every single time a new group home is mentioned).
 
2012-07-18 03:59:59 PM
trivial use of my dark powers:

But it has never crossed my mind to not work for a living.

That's evidence of an intellectual/cognitive disability right there.

Seriously: the reason our economy can have so much of its population out of work is that there are way too many people to fill the too few jobs we have left. Either we have to address long-standing socioeconomic problems, such as getting the rich and their corporations to pay their fair share and adding public works programs to repair or rebuild our aging infrastructure, or we have to kill off a few million people ASAP.
 
2012-07-18 04:04:33 PM
So, the population's getting larger, but the number of disabled folks added per year remains the same?

Doesn't that mean the rate of growth is going down as a percentage of the population, then?
 
2012-07-18 04:06:08 PM

TV's Vinnie: Because 99.9999% of the time


That often huh? Only 1 in one MILLION people who suggest that we should care for the mentally ill homeless actually care about them, and the rest are secretly implying they should be rounded up and tortured?

Do you realize how stupid it makes you sound to say that?
 
2012-07-18 04:07:45 PM
www.gonemovies.com

Convince me your a cripple!!
 
2012-07-18 04:22:36 PM
TV's Vinnie

Smackledorfer: None of that has anything at all to do with what I said, except that instead of reading the words I wrote you jumped to the conclusion that I want all the mentally ill for torture.

Because 99.9999% of the time, that's exactly what is being implied.

Of course, some won't say it out loud of course, sometimes.

But, give the Teabaggers time. They'll be calling for Willowbrooks be be set up all over the place. They won't want any gubmit funds to pay for it of course, so it'll be privately-run Willowbrooks, guaranteed to make the original state-run hellholes look like Spring Break in Cancun in comparison.



That sentence gave me a headache - I guess, I should be getting my SSDI check soon I guess, sometime.
 
2012-07-18 04:50:20 PM

bdub77: vernonFL: 1. If there is waste or fraud going on with SSDI cheating, we should stop that.

2. You would have to be a pretty lazy piece of shiat or extremely desperate to be on SSDI when you could, in fact, find a job and work. SSDI doesn't pay very much.

I really agree we need to stop the SSDI fraud. I think it does exist. My dad's a judge and he says most of the people he sees in criminal court claim disability - people who do not seem to outwardly have any disabilities other than probably having a strong desire not to work, in a lot of cases.

That said, there is something to the aging population in the US - people are getting older, some of them have been laid off and can't pay for medical care so they become disabled.

I think the country needs to cut down on the SSDI fraud. But to point #2, SSDI certainly does not pay a lot. If more jobs were available, I think you'd have less people 'gaming the system'. When you're faced with losing everything and claiming disability...it's hard to argue what a person in that situation might do.


There is certainly SSDI fraud. The hoops one has to jump through--literally--to qualify for SSDI are so onerous, it means that a lot of genuinely disabled people stop trying, leaving healthy people able to go back to the offices and get to the doctors' appointments the ones who get it.

Seriously, the rule of thumb for anyone attempting to get disability is that you will be rejected out of hand the first time. Almost guaranteed. And especially if you have a mental disability or something nebulous like back problems or chronic migraine. You fill out a stack of papers and it comes back in a week with "DENIED" stamped on it and no explanation. You have to do it all again, and if you're unwell or lack capacity, trust me, you don't want to do it.

Then if they conditionally accept you, it's not because of anything your existing doctor says. You'll have to go see THEIR doctors, on THEIR schedule, and again, no exceptions are made or assistance given if you can't make an appointment. Miss the doctor's appointment, and you can expect to wait six months for another one. Basically, if you can prove you're disabled, under the current system to prevent fraud, you cannot possibly be disabled. You have to be healthy and mentally competent to comply with the regulations. So fraud is bound to happen, if only by attrition.
 
2012-07-18 05:03:54 PM

Il Douchey: Obama espouses the philosophy of "From each according to ability to each according to need" This creates lots of incentive to demonstrate neediness and none to cultivate ability.


yep. this is how you get more people on disability than getting jobs.
 
2012-07-18 05:06:28 PM
I know how to solve this problem.

STOP BEING DISABLED!
 
2012-07-18 05:10:56 PM

Il Douchey: Obama espouses the philosophy of "From each according to ability to each according to need" This creates lots of incentive to demonstrate neediness and none to cultivate ability.

/I know, I know, his intentions are good. We should focus on his intentions, not his results


Citation needed, douchey-bag.
 
2012-07-18 05:13:56 PM

Smackledorfer: TV's Vinnie: Because 99.9999% of the time

That often huh? Only 1 in one MILLION people who suggest that we should care for the mentally ill homeless actually care about them, and the rest are secretly implying they should be rounded up and tortured?

Do you realize how stupid it makes you sound to say that?


And can you provide any proof as to otherwise?
 
2012-07-18 05:17:20 PM

solomonsnell: Oh. You're one of those people. You're the ridiculous asshole who makes smartass "whispering" comments about me because you can't see the muscles in my body deteriotating, though they are at an alarming rate. Nor can you see the hip joints in my sockets that don't fit - which make it hard to walk. Nope. You see a young man who can walk so therefore isn't disabled.


But do you work?
 
2012-07-18 05:20:28 PM

The One True TheDavid: Seriously: the reason our economy can have so much of its population out of work is that there are way too many people to fill the too few jobs we have left. Either we have to address long-standing socioeconomic problems, such as getting the rich and their corporations to pay their fair share and adding public works programs to repair or rebuild our aging infrastructure, or we have to kill off a few million people ASAP.


I have a pretty good salary so I am cool with either option.
 
2012-07-18 05:22:17 PM
From what I was told when I applied, (I have stage 4 breast cancer) you can go on and off it if you have a condition that waxes and wains. So right now I am no evidence of disease, meaning thank FSM the cancer is not active so there is no reason for me not to work. However, this could change at any minute and I would be back on chemo or radiation or something else. I worked through it the last time but each instance is different as far as the bodies reaction and each time you go on a new regimine.
 
2012-07-18 05:24:46 PM

FormlessOne: So, the population's getting larger, but the number of disabled folks added per year remains the same?

Doesn't that mean the rate of growth is going down as a percentage of the population, then?


This is actually a very good point. Population grows exponentially; if the number of people on disability is only growing linearly, that's a reduction in the percentage of the population that's disabled, not an increase.
 
2012-07-18 05:28:49 PM

The One True TheDavid: trivial use of my dark powers:

But it has never crossed my mind to not work for a living.

That's evidence of an intellectual/cognitive disability right there.

Seriously: the reason our economy can have so much of its population out of work is that there are way too many people to fill the too few jobs we have left. Either we have to address long-standing socioeconomic problems, such as getting the rich and their corporations to pay their fair share and adding public works programs to repair or rebuild our aging infrastructure, or we have to kill off a few million people ASAP.


I've said in other threads: The number of jobs lost to labor-saving devices and in the name of efficiency is probably enormous, and it's much more insidious than anyone realizes. Like a fat person gaining weight, job loss sneaked up on us until it reached critical mass. It's not like we woke up one day and 10 million jobs were suddenly gone, any more than a 1000-lb person weighed 95 lbs just yesterday.

Do you want people employed, or do you want cheap self-service gas stations? Do you want people employed, or do you want convenient shopping at a big-box store? Does anyone know how many jobs were lost to online bill-pay and ATMs? A body can bleed for a very long time, but then it will suddenly crash, and an economy is no different. Little by little, low-level jobs were siphoned off--and these were jobs that a semi-disabled person could do. Now, these low-stress jobs are gone, and people who are physically disabled or mentally disabled either get skilled or intensive jobs they cannot do--or they go on disability. Uneducated people either somehow acquire education they cannot get--or they remain on unemployment. And it will continue until the only jobs are either unskilled labor/service jobs or hi-tech professional jobs, and then society will implode.
 
2012-07-18 07:41:39 PM
Get a job or die trying.

Don't work...don't eat. It's that simple.

It wasn't my train that ran you over while you were drunk, severing your brain, or whatever.
 
2012-07-18 08:12:44 PM

The One True TheDavid: trivial use of my dark powers:

But it has never crossed my mind to not work for a living.

That's evidence of an intellectual/cognitive disability right there.

Seriously: the reason our economy can have so much of its population out of work is that there are way too many people to fill the too few jobs we have left. Either we have to address long-standing socioeconomic problems, such as getting the rich and their corporations to pay their fair share and adding public works programs to repair or rebuild our aging infrastructure, or we have to kill off a few million people ASAP.


I appreciate your analysis, but I was referring to those who would do anything other than actually work, not those who cannot work because of various circumstances. I don't understand those who won't even try.

Though if I decide to file for disability, I'll list you for a reference.
 
2012-07-18 08:24:52 PM

TV's Vinnie: Smackledorfer: TV's Vinnie: Because 99.9999% of the time

That often huh? Only 1 in one MILLION people who suggest that we should care for the mentally ill homeless actually care about them, and the rest are secretly implying they should be rounded up and tortured?

Do you realize how stupid it makes you sound to say that?

And can you provide any proof as to otherwise?


Proof that people who say they care about the mentally ill care about the mentally ill? No.

Have you met the 1 million people to make that retarded claim you did?
Do you believe that you are the only one in a million people who care about them (or are you just projecting your own lack of empathy on to me, and you aren't really the one in a million)?
Do you have any evidence that anyone WANTS them to be put in torturous situations out of malice, as opposed to simply being ignorant?

In short, you assume an awful lot about the underlying reasons being what people say without basis, going so far as to make accusations directly to people that they are malicious (as you did to me), and frankly you are just being a biased idiot. To then follow up your claim of 1 in a million by demanding that I now disprove your ridiculous estimate.... wow.
 
2012-07-18 08:52:50 PM
Maybe we should stop wasting taxpayer dollars making the 1% rich. Then the rest of the country doesn't have to use outs such as disability.
 
2012-07-18 09:43:18 PM
Il Douchey: Hey, wait a minute, this article doesn't totally agree with my pre existing worldview -stop reading! it's retarded! it's crazy! don't look at it! thinking is hard! impugn the source! we must only be exposed to spoon-fed ideas that reassure our liberal opinions! for God's sake stop reading!

Go look two comments above yours. There's this thing called 'hard data'. None of your insults even make sense in the face of the fact that TFA was factually bullshiat.
 
2012-07-18 09:52:53 PM
Smackledorfer: TV's Vinnie: Smackledorfer: TV's Vinnie: Because 99.9999% of the time

That often huh? Only 1 in one MILLION people who suggest that we should care for the mentally ill homeless actually care about them, and the rest are secretly implying they should be rounded up and tortured?

Do you realize how stupid it makes you sound to say that?

And can you provide any proof as to otherwise?

Proof that people who say they care about the mentally ill care about the mentally ill? No.

Have you met the 1 million people to make that retarded claim you did?
Do you believe that you are the only one in a million people who care about them (or are you just projecting your own lack of empathy on to me, and you aren't really the one in a million)?
Do you have any evidence that anyone WANTS them to be put in torturous situations out of malice, as opposed to simply being ignorant?

In short, you assume an awful lot about the underlying reasons being what people say without basis, going so far as to make accusations directly to people that they are malicious (as you did to me), and frankly you are just being a biased idiot. To then follow up your claim of 1 in a million by demanding that I now disprove your ridiculous estimate.... wow.


You sound.......concerned.
 
2012-07-18 09:55:02 PM

TV's Vinnie: Smackledorfer: TV's Vinnie: Smackledorfer: TV's Vinnie: Because 99.9999% of the time

That often huh? Only 1 in one MILLION people who suggest that we should care for the mentally ill homeless actually care about them, and the rest are secretly implying they should be rounded up and tortured?

Do you realize how stupid it makes you sound to say that?

And can you provide any proof as to otherwise?

Proof that people who say they care about the mentally ill care about the mentally ill? No.

Have you met the 1 million people to make that retarded claim you did?
Do you believe that you are the only one in a million people who care about them (or are you just projecting your own lack of empathy on to me, and you aren't really the one in a million)?
Do you have any evidence that anyone WANTS them to be put in torturous situations out of malice, as opposed to simply being ignorant?

In short, you assume an awful lot about the underlying reasons being what people say without basis, going so far as to make accusations directly to people that they are malicious (as you did to me), and frankly you are just being a biased idiot. To then follow up your claim of 1 in a million by demanding that I now disprove your ridiculous estimate.... wow.

You sound.......concerned.


You sound retarded.
 
2012-07-18 10:40:25 PM

Gyrfalcon: You sound retarded.


m5.paperblog.com
Please. Tell me some about how upset you are.
 
2012-07-18 11:46:45 PM

TV's Vinnie: You sound.......concerned.


That's the best you've got?

/plonk
 
2012-07-19 12:22:11 AM

Smackledorfer: TV's Vinnie: You sound.......concerned.

That's the best you've got?

/plonk


LOL! You think this is? Usenet?

I was hoping you'd keep jibbering all night about stuff you don't know squat diddly about. Now I'm disappointed.
 
2012-07-19 12:47:03 AM

jst3p: solomonsnell: Oh. You're one of those people. You're the ridiculous asshole who makes smartass "whispering" comments about me because you can't see the muscles in my body deteriotating, though they are at an alarming rate. Nor can you see the hip joints in my sockets that don't fit - which make it hard to walk. Nope. You see a young man who can walk so therefore isn't disabled.

I do - 50+ hours a week. And when I need, I use a handicapped placard and park in a space and the above-troll would think I was without a disability.
But do you work?

 
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