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2012-07-18 02:29:46 AM
I am an Eagle Scout (received almost 30 years ago), and share many of the sentiments posted by other Eagles here. It seems to me that the organization's homophobic position has cost it almost everything it once was. Membership is way down, and while I'm sure some scouts still do good work, on the whole it seems to have become little more than a reactionary outlet for parents in the Rush Limbaugh/Glenn Beck crowd.

It makes me sad. My father would drove my ignorant middle-class teenage ass 20 miles out of his way to work with an inner-city troop where I was the only white face in the building working with kids who were lucky to have two meals on the same day. It boggles the mind that an organization that so fully overcame racial biggotry would fall so carelessly and thoughtlessly to homophobia.
 
2012-07-18 02:30:15 AM
Well, I think it is time to begin a new tradition, with an all-inclusive group... the Nerd Scouts of America!
 
2012-07-18 02:31:00 AM
Also, there are too many Eagles in this thread. My Star rank shines just as bright, and from the same Mantel at my parents place, as my younger brothers Eagle, and OA, and three palms, that over acheaving bastard kid brother of mine.
/best friend I'll ever have
 
2012-07-18 02:54:39 AM

serial_crusher: What would be another good name for an alternative scouting organization without all the goofy rules?


How about, "Camp Fire USA"? Link
 
2012-07-18 03:05:44 AM
So lesbians are ok in girl scouts, but gays not allowed in boy scouts in the US? And you wonder why the rest of the world is laughing at you behind your back?
 
2012-07-18 03:09:42 AM

pciszek: serial_crusher: What would be another good name for an alternative scouting organization without all the goofy rules?

How about, "Camp Fire USA"? Link


I took a look at that link.
"up until age 21?"
 
2012-07-18 03:14:45 AM
Don't like their policy's? Start your own club. May I suggest "Science Scouts" or "Survival Scouts" something more inclusive. Private, religion based club, fark um, start your own.
 
2012-07-18 03:16:51 AM

TommyymmoT: pciszek: serial_crusher: What would be another good name for an alternative scouting organization without all the goofy rules?

How about, "Camp Fire USA"? Link

I took a look at that link.
"up until age 21?"


Yep, and the founders of Campfire Girls(before they added boys) were best friends with, and often the same people as the folks that started the BSA. Dan Beard for one. Campfire Girls were the Original sister org. to the BSA.
Julia Gordon Low modeled her Girl Scouts more closely to Lord Paden Powells scouts. ie. without the religious component etc.
 
2012-07-18 03:19:01 AM

sminkypinky: So lesbians are ok in girl scouts, but gays not allowed in boy scouts in the US? And you wonder why the rest of the world is laughing at you behind your back?


I don't believe these organizations share any affiliation. Except when the scouts get together work on their rutting merit badges.
 
2012-07-18 03:22:12 AM

Monongahela Misfit: TommyymmoT: pciszek: serial_crusher: What would be another good name for an alternative scouting organization without all the goofy rules?

How about, "Camp Fire USA"? Link

I took a look at that link.
"up until age 21?"

Yep, and the founders of Campfire Girls(before they added boys) were best friends with, and often the same people as the folks that started the BSA. Dan Beard for one. Campfire Girls were the Original sister org. to the BSA.
Julia Gordon Low modeled her Girl Scouts more closely to Lord Paden Powells scouts. ie. without the religious component etc.


Damn interwebs. I just read the wiki on Dan Beard, and I was wrong about the Indian guides. Dan had the Sons of Daniel Boone.
 
2012-07-18 03:23:05 AM

zymosan: Don't like their policy's? Start your own club. May I suggest "Science Scouts" or "Survival Scouts" something more inclusive. Private, religion based club, fark um, start your own.


"Private" except for all those federal dollars they receive.
 
2012-07-18 03:35:59 AM

buckler: The SCA did all that for me, and I still got to do deviant stuff. I could have done gay stuff, If I wanted.


As they say, If you can't get laid in the SCA, you can't get laid at all.

Boy Scouts know how to camp in a nylon pop-up tent and cook beanie-weenie on a fire.

SCAdians know how to camp in a 20x30 period pavilion with hot running water and cook a 5 course feast on a bank of propane stoves.
 
2012-07-18 03:47:53 AM

Maechyll: Interesting. Lots o' Eagles here on Fark.

/me too.


And me as well.
 
2012-07-18 03:56:51 AM

Wayne 985: zymosan: Don't like their policy's? Start your own club. May I suggest "Science Scouts" or "Survival Scouts" something more inclusive. Private, religion based club, fark um, start your own.

"Private" except for all those federal dollars they receive.


But it's ok to fund with Federal(our wages taken from us before we even get the check) funds going to a national education program whose directors would like to teach only those theorys that agree with their own faith or lack of it. Their own versions of history etc.
Is it too much to ask that theory be taught as just that? Theory is Not fact. Faith is not Fact. Aitheism is A Faith. Science is just the facts.
We also fund Planned Parenthood, where people who couldn't, or wouldn't use proven prevention methods, can end the life of a Human Fetus/Child.
So if we can spend our taxes on a national org bent on changing our national culture, can't we spend some of it on an org that tries to preserve what They perceive as our national culture? I realize I'm showing off my limited education, but just because You or I or anyone else has a disagreement on what our taxes fund, doesn't detract from the good things those funds do.
 
2012-07-18 03:59:44 AM

dinwv: Maechyll: Interesting. Lots o' Eagles here on Fark.

/me too.

And me as well.


There are also people on here that did that sh*t for real at that age, not just pretend.
Try to impress people that were fighting wars, not by their own choice, at that same age, with your stupid f*cking "eagle scout!" badge.

If you are 18 years old, and still in the Boy Scouts, please, kill yourself.
 
2012-07-18 04:06:07 AM

clyph: buckler: The SCA did all that for me, and I still got to do deviant stuff. I could have done gay stuff, If I wanted.

As they say, If you can't get laid in the SCA, you can't get laid at all.

Boy Scouts know how to camp in a nylon pop-up tent and cook beanie-weenie on a fire.

SCAdians know how to camp in a 20x30 period pavilion with hot running water and cook a 5 course feast on a bank of propane stoves.


It ain't camping if you wanthave to go home ever.
 
2012-07-18 04:09:01 AM

clyph: buckler: The SCA did all that for me, and I still got to do deviant stuff. I could have done gay stuff, If I wanted.

As they say, If you can't get laid in the SCA, you can't get laid at all.

Boy Scouts know how to camp in a nylon pop-up tent and cook beanie-weenie on a fire.

SCAdians know how to camp in a 20x30 period pavilion with hot running water and cook a 5 course feast on a bank of propane stoves.


Eww, food from cans is nasty. We called scouts like that, tenderfoot.
We often had a Salad, then Chicken L'Orange, followed with either a Fruit Cobbler, or if we were showing off, a Pineapple Upside Down Cake from a Duch Oven.
SCA is for literalist historians with often high Opinions, to match their Historicaly acurite Body Odor. :-p
/lots of friends in SCA
//don't trebuchet me bro
 
2012-07-18 04:14:39 AM

Monongahela Misfit: clyph: buckler: The SCA did all that for me, and I still got to do deviant stuff. I could have done gay stuff, If I wanted.

As they say, If you can't get laid in the SCA, you can't get laid at all.

Boy Scouts know how to camp in a nylon pop-up tent and cook beanie-weenie on a fire.

SCAdians know how to camp in a 20x30 period pavilion with hot running water and cook a 5 course feast on a bank of propane stoves.

Eww, food from cans is nasty. We called scouts like that, tenderfoot.
We often had a Salad, then Chicken L'Orange, followed with either a Fruit Cobbler, or if we were showing off, a Pineapple Upside Down Cake from a Duch Oven.
SCA is for literalist historians with often high Opinions, to match their Historicaly acurite Body Odor. :-p
/lots of friends in SCA
//don't trebuchet me bro


What did you use for eye makeup?
Yeah, berries probably suffice for rouge, but beyond that, you're on your own.
 
2012-07-18 04:17:31 AM

TommyymmoT: dinwv: Maechyll: Interesting. Lots o' Eagles here on Fark.

/me too.

And me as well.

There are also people on here that did that sh*t for real at that age, not just pretend.
Try to impress people that were fighting wars, not by their own choice, at that same age, with your stupid f*cking "eagle scout!" badge.

If you are 18 years old, and still in the Boy Scouts, please, kill yourself.


Sorry, but when the Dr. at MEPS says You don't get to be Marine, or anything else in That Man's Military because of what he calls a congenital defect. Nothing I could say would change that. Most of my Scouting Crew went in for Volunteer Duty with a Smile, and a sense of purpose.
And Thanks for Your Contribution, whatever it was. Don't cry about it. I don't.
 
2012-07-18 04:24:41 AM
What is there to say? Bigots will be bigots, after all.
 
2012-07-18 04:24:58 AM

Monongahela Misfit: TommyymmoT: dinwv: Maechyll: Interesting. Lots o' Eagles here on Fark.

/me too.

And me as well.

There are also people on here that did that sh*t for real at that age, not just pretend.
Try to impress people that were fighting wars, not by their own choice, at that same age, with your stupid f*cking "eagle scout!" badge.

If you are 18 years old, and still in the Boy Scouts, please, kill yourself.

Sorry, but when the Dr. at MEPS says You don't get to be Marine, or anything else in That Man's Military because of what he calls a congenital defect. Nothing I could say would change that. Most of my Scouting Crew went in for Volunteer Duty with a Smile, and a sense of purpose.
And Thanks for Your Contribution, whatever it was. Don't cry about it. I don't.


My apologies.
It's very hard to detect a hermaphrodite, or someone with a boil on their ass that would exempt them, like Rush Limbaugh, online.

"Volunteer duty"? What was that exactly, a bake sale? Car wash?
 
2012-07-18 04:26:34 AM

TommyymmoT: Monongahela Misfit: clyph: buckler: The SCA did all that for me, and I still got to do deviant stuff. I could have done gay stuff, If I wanted.

As they say, If you can't get laid in the SCA, you can't get laid at all.

Boy Scouts know how to camp in a nylon pop-up tent and cook beanie-weenie on a fire.

SCAdians know how to camp in a 20x30 period pavilion with hot running water and cook a 5 course feast on a bank of propane stoves.

Eww, food from cans is nasty. We called scouts like that, tenderfoot.
We often had a Salad, then Chicken L'Orange, followed with either a Fruit Cobbler, or if we were showing off, a Pineapple Upside Down Cake from a Duch Oven.
SCA is for literalist historians with often high Opinions, to match their Historicaly acurite Body Odor. :-p
/lots of friends in SCA
//don't trebuchet me bro

What did you use for eye makeup?
Yeah, berries probably suffice for rouge, but beyond that, you're on your own.


For rouge I liked the Poison Sumacc myself. Some of the guys would try the ivy, but it was hard to get it to stay just on the cheeks and lips.
Fresh Bird crap works good for the Eyes, and Beetle wings glued to Fingernails works almost as good as polish.
 
2012-07-18 04:30:55 AM

Monongahela Misfit: TommyymmoT: Monongahela Misfit: clyph: buckler: The SCA did all that for me, and I still got to do deviant stuff. I could have done gay stuff, If I wanted.

As they say, If you can't get laid in the SCA, you can't get laid at all.

Boy Scouts know how to camp in a nylon pop-up tent and cook beanie-weenie on a fire.

SCAdians know how to camp in a 20x30 period pavilion with hot running water and cook a 5 course feast on a bank of propane stoves.

Eww, food from cans is nasty. We called scouts like that, tenderfoot.
We often had a Salad, then Chicken L'Orange, followed with either a Fruit Cobbler, or if we were showing off, a Pineapple Upside Down Cake from a Duch Oven.
SCA is for literalist historians with often high Opinions, to match their Historicaly acurite Body Odor. :-p
/lots of friends in SCA
//don't trebuchet me bro

What did you use for eye makeup?
Yeah, berries probably suffice for rouge, but beyond that, you're on your own.

For rouge I liked the Poison Sumacc myself. Some of the guys would try the ivy, but it was hard to get it to stay just on the cheeks and lips.
Fresh Bird crap works good for the Eyes, and Beetle wings glued to Fingernails works almost as good as polish.


So I guess it really is true.
Poison ivy applied to the anus, and penis, is what gives you guys the "stamina" to hang out in the woods together for that long.
 
2012-07-18 04:32:31 AM
Thrifty?

lol
 
2012-07-18 04:34:13 AM

TommyymmoT: Monongahela Misfit: TommyymmoT: dinwv: Maechyll: Interesting. Lots o' Eagles here on Fark.

/me too.

And me as well.

There are also people on here that did that sh*t for real at that age, not just pretend.
Try to impress people that were fighting wars, not by their own choice, at that same age, with your stupid f*cking "eagle scout!" badge.

If you are 18 years old, and still in the Boy Scouts, please, kill yourself.

Sorry, but when the Dr. at MEPS says You don't get to be Marine, or anything else in That Man's Military because of what he calls a congenital defect. Nothing I could say would change that. Most of my Scouting Crew went in for Volunteer Duty with a Smile, and a sense of purpose.
And Thanks for Your Contribution, whatever it was. Don't cry about it. I don't.

My apologies.
It's very hard to detect a hermaphrodite, or someone with a boil on their ass that would exempt them, like Rush Limbaugh, online.

"Volunteer duty"? What was that exactly, a bake sale? Car wash?


Navy Reactor Tech, Army Demo squad, MRAP Driver, etc. I Was headed for USMC till my Lumbar Vert got me sidelined at MEPS.

Rush couldn't keep up with me even if he untied the other half of his minuscule drug addled brain.

I don't apologize for anyone except to say, I'm far from perfect, and so are they.
 
2012-07-18 04:34:32 AM
thisiszombocom: why hasnt a boy/girl sued to join the girl/boy scouts anyways? seems like the sort of thing people would do

WhyteRaven74: Interestingly, a transgendered boy girl recently joined the girl scouts. The reaction from the troop? There wasn't one. Though a few troops in a completely different state had complete hissy fits.


ftfy.

I am disappoint.
 
2012-07-18 04:40:31 AM

libranoelrose: Thrifty?

lol


No, imagination. :-/
The one "gay" kid decided he liked Girls when a Colorguard girl persuaded him in tenth grade, and the Scoutmasters younger Son and his Partner were still together last I knew.
 
2012-07-18 04:41:56 AM

Monongahela Misfit: TommyymmoT: Monongahela Misfit: TommyymmoT: dinwv: Maechyll: Interesting. Lots o' Eagles here on Fark.

/me too.

And me as well.

There are also people on here that did that sh*t for real at that age, not just pretend.
Try to impress people that were fighting wars, not by their own choice, at that same age, with your stupid f*cking "eagle scout!" badge.

If you are 18 years old, and still in the Boy Scouts, please, kill yourself.

Sorry, but when the Dr. at MEPS says You don't get to be Marine, or anything else in That Man's Military because of what he calls a congenital defect. Nothing I could say would change that. Most of my Scouting Crew went in for Volunteer Duty with a Smile, and a sense of purpose.
And Thanks for Your Contribution, whatever it was. Don't cry about it. I don't.

My apologies.
It's very hard to detect a hermaphrodite, or someone with a boil on their ass that would exempt them, like Rush Limbaugh, online.

"Volunteer duty"? What was that exactly, a bake sale? Car wash?

Navy Reactor Tech, Army Demo squad, MRAP Driver, etc. I Was headed for USMC till my Lumbar Vert got me sidelined at MEPS.

Rush couldn't keep up with me even if he untied the other half of his minuscule drug addled brain.

I don't apologize for anyone except to say, I'm far from perfect, and so are they.


Hey, sounds reasonable.
It's pretty much common knowledge that the military recruits unskilled teenagers to run it's nuclear reactors, and work on demolition squads.
Silly me, I should have known that.
 
2012-07-18 04:49:48 AM
Well, I would love to continue playing verbal volleyball, but I have to be at the gym in 40 minutes.
Seriously. I have to go replace a mic cable at a gym, and I promised that it would be done as soon as they opened.
I got the call very late last night.
Brutal money for 3 minutes of my time.
 
2012-07-18 04:55:21 AM

fickle floridian: It boggles the mind that an organization that so fully overcame racial bigotry would fall so carelessly and thoughtlessly to homophobia.


The founder of the Westboro Baptist Church, Fred Phelps, was a civil rights lawyer. I don't get it, either. Maybe a lack of introspection?
 
2012-07-18 05:00:05 AM

TommyymmoT: Monongahela Misfit: TommyymmoT: Monongahela Misfit: TommyymmoT: dinwv: Maechyll: Interesting. Lots o' Eagles here on Fark.

/me too.

And me as well.

There are also people on here that did that sh*t for real at that age, not just pretend.
Try to impress people that were fighting wars, not by their own choice, at that same age, with your stupid f*cking "eagle scout!" badge.

If you are 18 years old, and still in the Boy Scouts, please, kill yourself.

Sorry, but when the Dr. at MEPS says You don't get to be Marine, or anything else in That Man's Military because of what he calls a congenital defect. Nothing I could say would change that. Most of my Scouting Crew went in for Volunteer Duty with a Smile, and a sense of purpose.
And Thanks for Your Contribution, whatever it was. Don't cry about it. I don't.

My apologies.
It's very hard to detect a hermaphrodite, or someone with a boil on their ass that would exempt them, like Rush Limbaugh, online.

"Volunteer duty"? What was that exactly, a bake sale? Car wash?

Navy Reactor Tech, Army Demo squad, MRAP Driver, etc. I Was headed for USMC till my Lumbar Vert got me sidelined at MEPS.

Rush couldn't keep up with me even if he untied the other half of his minuscule drug addled brain.

I don't apologize for anyone except to say, I'm far from perfect, and so are they.

Hey, sounds reasonable.
It's pretty much common knowledge that the military recruits unskilled teenagers to run it's nuclear reactors, and work on demolition squads.
Silly me, I should have known that.


Yeah, sums them up good. And I just putt around the country that You all went and defended against your will in my little freightshakin rig, hauling your motor oil, and coolant, and recycled office paper, and catalogues, sugar, flour, Fracking Fluid, sterile Medical Lab supplies, etc all over everywhere. In rain, sleet, snow, construction, rush hour traffic, ice, high wind etc. I don't get to sleep at home every night. I camp out like I did in scouts. With only what I can fit into this cab. Sure beats working for a living, or life in a soul sucking cubicle farm. No TPS reports for me.
 
2012-07-18 05:01:10 AM

OtherLittleGuy: The derp for the local TV news blog is strong.

One yahoo is cheering that it's keeping the perverts out from molesting little boys, but someone else pointed out that Sandusky ("a STRAIGHT MAN") was molesting little boys for decades and protected by others.


How can you say Sandusky is straight but is attracted to boys? I'm not saying all gays are pedos but I don't understand how gays can see these pedos aren't gay. Same for the priests. When a male has sexual contact with another male that's a homosexual act, plain and simple. I'm not saying its only a problem in the gay community but I wish you'd own up to your own problems like the rest of us do. Damn you guys are worse than the Catholic church when it comes to redirecting the blame.
 
2012-07-18 05:03:17 AM

sminkypinky: So lesbians are ok in girl scouts, but gays not allowed in boy scouts in the US? And you wonder why the rest of the world is laughing at you behind your back?


Girls Scouts and Boy Scouts have very different sociopolitical outlooks.
 
2012-07-18 05:04:44 AM

TommyymmoT: Well, I would love to continue playing verbal volleyball, but I have to be at the gym in 40 minutes.
Seriously. I have to go replace a mic cable at a gym, and I promised that it would be done as soon as they opened.
I got the call very late last night.
Brutal money for 3 minutes of my time.


Have fun with that. You could always fray the ground a bit, so it bites them a little till they call You back in.
 
2012-07-18 05:07:08 AM

ciberido: sminkypinky: So lesbians are ok in girl scouts, but gays not allowed in boy scouts in the US? And you wonder why the rest of the world is laughing at you behind your back?

Girls Scouts and Boy Scouts have very different sociopolitical outlooks.


Comes with the very different genitals.
 
2012-07-18 05:11:57 AM

alywa: You know what libs? Sometimes I just don't get this country.

On one hand you have everyone getting their pantys in a wad over gays over at Penn State molesting kids. "Boo Hoo, they should have done something about that big bad Sanduskie guy..." yet on the other hand when an organization tries to take a stand against pedifiles you cry that they are being excluded.

Some facts (I know libs don't like them, but tough cheese loosers)

1. The Boy Scouts are founded on the beliefs of God and Country. There is no place in the eyes of either for degenerates.

2. Why would sexually confused young men want to hang out with a God fearing group like the scouts. Camping, being with your fellow men alone in the woods, long girl-free summer camps, sharp uniforms, songs, handicrafts? Go watch glee or something, and leave Scouting to the real men.

3. Scouts are a private organization. They never use community centers, public spaces, parks, etc, so your namby pamby laws about "oh lets hold hands and poop rainbows and sing KumByA" don't apply here.

Suck it libs. Suck it long and hard. Just don't go trying to gay up the Scouts.

Keep the 12 points alive and well, America!!!

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Now set that hook boy, and reel em in!
 
2012-07-18 05:21:11 AM

pudding7: As an Eagle Scout, this makes me sad.


I wasn't an Eagle, nut I left scouting when I aged out. I have a son in Cub Scouts. Between my time and his the organization was taken over by complete idiots. This has made me sad for several years.
 
2012-07-18 05:29:21 AM
Something I've wondered about for a long time is why should group A be allowed to discriminate against group B merely because they think they are right in doing so even when it can be easily proven that they are wrong in doing so? To put that another way, why does society consider someone thinking they're right to be so important, even if it can be easily proven that they're wrong and even if it's obvious that they're denying they're wrong?
 
2012-07-18 05:38:47 AM

alywa: You know what libs? Sometimes I just don't get this country.

On one hand you have everyone getting their pantys in a wad over gays over at Penn State molesting kids. "Boo Hoo, they should have done something about that big bad Sanduskie guy..." yet on the other hand when an organization tries to take a stand against pedifiles you cry that they are being excluded.

Some facts (I know libs don't like them, but tough cheese loosers)

1. The Boy Scouts are founded on the beliefs of God and Country. There is no place in the eyes of either for degenerates.

2. Why would sexually confused young men want to hang out with a God fearing group like the scouts. Camping, being with your fellow men alone in the woods, long girl-free summer camps, sharp uniforms, songs, handicrafts? Go watch glee or something, and leave Scouting to the real men.

3. Scouts are a private organization. They never use community centers, public spaces, parks, etc, so your namby pamby laws about "oh lets hold hands and poop rainbows and sing KumByA" don't apply here.

Suck it libs. Suck it long and hard. Just don't go trying to gay up the Scouts.

Keep the 12 points alive and well, America!!!


Excellent.
 
2012-07-18 05:44:12 AM

Monongahela Misfit: Also, there are too many Eagles in this thread. My Star rank shines just as bright, and from the same Mantel at my parents place, as my younger brothers Eagle, and OA, and three palms, that over acheaving bastard kid brother of mine.
/best friend I'll ever have


Star rank here as well. I remember catching a lot of flack from the kids that weren't in the scouts. But I have some of the fondest memories from them. And I learned some useful stuff to, such as how to plug a sucking chest wound with the cellophane from a pack of smokes from a viet nam vet at one summer camp. Good times.
 
2012-07-18 05:59:46 AM
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"... No homo."
 
2012-07-18 06:27:46 AM
If they want to distinguish themselves as homo so much, then the Boy Scouts would have to change their name to the "Let's put our dicks in shiat" scouts before anyone was satisfied. I'm pretty sure putting your dick in shiat is aberrant, but the libs love normalizing disgusting perverted behavior.
 
2012-07-18 07:17:12 AM
bow: Good luck trying to keep us out.

Well, I'll just keep my ass against the nearest brick wall and wear a Hannibal Lecter mask, than!!
 
2012-07-18 07:20:29 AM

Confabulat: I never understood the whole Webelos thing. When I was a Cub Scout, I got the idea of the Tiger, Wolf and Bear badges easy enough, sure, that's logical. And then maybe one day you'll be a Boy Scout and if God is willing and you do your damnest, one day maybe you can achieve the exalted position of Eagle Scout and all the USA will forever congratulate you.

That all makes sense when you are 9. But then there is Webelos. WTF is Webelos? Why do I have to interrupt my serious Cub Scout - to - Boy Scout career by spending a year in some weirdo culty sounding thing?


Tigers are dominated by parents (usually moms) --the parents should be staying and participating in the meetings. Heavily parent led.
Wolves should have parents that are still at meetings, but less hands on. Den leader leading.
Bears, again, should have parents in meetings or close by, but with very little participation.
During these three years, parents must attend any campouts or activities with their scouts.

Webelos are when the parents can stop attending the meetings, and limit participation to the family campouts. The boys should be transitioning (hence the 18 months or so) from relying on mom and dad and den leader to do things for and with them--into being boy led and directed, with just oversight by an adult. They wear the Boys scout uniform; parents do not have to camp with the Webelos, unless at a Pack campout (dens can camp by themselves). (At least, this is how we run things in our Pack; YMMV.)

Boy Scouts should be led by the older scouts, and only have the adults there to make sure nothing bad happens. Parents should not be involved in running events/meetings, unless they are there as a special guest--i.e. an engineer or graphic artist coming in to talk to the boys about these areas.

And for you slower Farkers, there is a difference between being gay and being a pedo. Wanting to fark an 18 year old guy is ok; wanting to fark a 9 year old boy is not. (Can also use this for reference with girls, btw)


/Master Jedana is a den leader--Bear this year--for our son's pack.
/I am Committee Chair for the pack
//Pack based in a church but it's not required to be a member of the church to join (unlike most LDS packs)
///don't care who you fark, as long as it's consensual and an adult.
 
2012-07-18 07:23:13 AM
I do not understand this idea that by allowing gays you take away a families right to decide for themselves how to handle sexual preference issues. I know plenty of gay people. They are no different than straights. They date, some have sex, they go to the movies, etc. Big deal. Ive known plenty of straights who had to talk a bout the ppl they farked and nobody raises an eyebrow. But a gay guy talking about his boyfriend taking him to see a movie and its OMGZ thats wrong!

A guy who likes dick is no different than how one guy like fat chicks, another likes to be tied up and another prefers his women submissive. It aint got shiat to do with you so get over it.
 
2012-07-18 07:25:27 AM
geez looks like there are more Eagle Scouts than University of Phoenix MBAs
 
2012-07-18 07:42:38 AM
Funny. My scout leader was the first gay person I ever knew, though I didn't know it at the time.
 
2012-07-18 07:43:09 AM
When I became a scout in Junior High - I think you call it "Middle School" or some such twaddle now, we were boys. Not black boys, or oriental boys, or white boys, although I think in East Richmond Heights, most of us were white. In 7th grade we were just entering puberty - our sexual identity hadn't been determined yet. At that age, we hadn't considered which path we'd choose, or if we were to stay in the middle, if you get my drift. And, it's only been in this last generation that teenage sexuality is no longer taboo, that it's out in the open, that everybody does it, and it's all ok!

No, It's not, and it's all because we as parents don't give a DAMN about how our kids grow up. Morality's been tossed out like yesterday's potato skins because it's inconvenient. Instead of attempting to teach our children right from wrong at home and at school, we teach them how to subvert the system, that cheating is normal, to be expected, and that, hell, even our heroes & athletes do it.

The fact that there's still a faction out there that stands up to morality should be applauded, not laughed at and condemned for being out of step with the times.
 
2012-07-18 07:44:26 AM
My parents made me join the Boy Scouts when I was a kid. I doubt they would have sent me on all those camping trips and such if they thought there was a chance my 12-year-old self would be sharing a tent with a 16-year-old openly gay kid. While I hope the gay community gets marriage equality and all that, that's just reality.
 
2012-07-18 07:45:40 AM
Just start a Gay Scouts association. What could be more natural? Instead of worshiping some fictional negligent absentee father, you can worship teh buttsecks. And think of the pretty (and contextual) badges you can earn! You've got BET for the blacks, the ABBA fan club for the Mexicans, and the Subaru Owner's Association for the lesbians.
 
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