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2012-07-17 08:07:47 PM
Let's look at it with our Conservative glasses: Some boys or men want to join the girl scouts. What do you? Stop them, obviously, to prevent a scene.

Basically, for the BSA, they're a super conservative institution willing to take a little egg on the face from GLAD to avoid taking something else on the face in a scandal should one erupt.

It almost makes sense. Except all the best cats I know who are gay joined up anyway. So, much like don't ask don't tell, it's a porous barrier that's nothing but a lot of hooey to fool doddering old hate mongers too far gone to remember how real life works, but not yet gone enough to keep funding an organization that lets them homersexuals in with their "good Christian boys"

Sad really.
 
2012-07-17 08:14:42 PM

doglover: Let's look at it with our Conservative glasses: Some boys or men want to join the girl scouts. What do you? Stop them, obviously, to prevent a scene.

Basically, for the BSA, they're a super conservative institution willing to take a little egg on the face from GLAD to avoid taking something else on the face in a scandal should one erupt.

It almost makes sense. Except all the best cats I know who are gay joined up anyway. So, much like don't ask don't tell, it's a porous barrier that's nothing but a lot of hooey to fool doddering old hate mongers too far gone to remember how real life works, but not yet gone enough to keep funding an organization that lets them homersexuals in with their "good Christian boys"

Sad really.


you'll get over it. it was only a few scant years ago that a certain government stopped classifying the gay as a mental illness that needed curing. im sure in a few years all the homos can be as gay as they want and no one will give a shiat. i sure don't.
 
2012-07-17 08:16:18 PM
Fine, do what you want, BSA. Be on the wrong side of history, but don't ask me for any help with anything, or for money, and we're good.
 
2012-07-17 08:22:44 PM
As an Eagle Scout, this makes me sad.
 
2012-07-17 08:31:54 PM
You know what libs? Sometimes I just don't get this country.

On one hand you have everyone getting their pantys in a wad over gays over at Penn State molesting kids. "Boo Hoo, they should have done something about that big bad Sanduskie guy..." yet on the other hand when an organization tries to take a stand against pedifiles you cry that they are being excluded.

Some facts (I know libs don't like them, but tough cheese loosers)

1. The Boy Scouts are founded on the beliefs of God and Country. There is no place in the eyes of either for degenerates.

2. Why would sexually confused young men want to hang out with a God fearing group like the scouts. Camping, being with your fellow men alone in the woods, long girl-free summer camps, sharp uniforms, songs, handicrafts? Go watch glee or something, and leave Scouting to the real men.

3. Scouts are a private organization. They never use community centers, public spaces, parks, etc, so your namby pamby laws about "oh lets hold hands and poop rainbows and sing KumByA" don't apply here.

Suck it libs. Suck it long and hard. Just don't go trying to gay up the Scouts.

Keep the 12 points alive and well, America!!!

i35.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-17 08:35:48 PM

alywa: You know what libs? Sometimes I just don't get this country.

On one hand you have everyone getting their pantys in a wad over gays over at Penn State molesting kids. "Boo Hoo, they should have done something about that big bad Sanduskie guy..." yet on the other hand when an organization tries to take a stand against pedifiles you cry that they are being excluded.

Some facts (I know libs don't like them, but tough cheese loosers)

1. The Boy Scouts are founded on the beliefs of God and Country. There is no place in the eyes of either for degenerates.

2. Why would sexually confused young men want to hang out with a God fearing group like the scouts. Camping, being with your fellow men alone in the woods, long girl-free summer camps, sharp uniforms, songs, handicrafts? Go watch glee or something, and leave Scouting to the real men.

3. Scouts are a private organization. They never use community centers, public spaces, parks, etc, so your namby pamby laws about "oh lets hold hands and poop rainbows and sing KumByA" don't apply here.

Suck it libs. Suck it long and hard. Just don't go trying to gay up the Scouts.

Keep the 12 points alive and well, America!!!


I foresee some solid bites on this one.
 
2012-07-17 08:39:15 PM

some_beer_drinker: the homos can be as gay as they want and no one will give a shiat.


Assuming anyone does now.

I think most things in society are always last changed officially. Hence the phrase "The writing's on the wall." The lowest common denomenator is always the first to accept things while officials relent only when all hope of procrastination is loss.
 
2012-07-17 08:39:35 PM

alywa: You know what libs? Sometimes I just don't get this country.

On one hand you have everyone getting their pantys in a wad over gays over at Penn State molesting kids. "Boo Hoo, they should have done something about that big bad Sanduskie guy..." yet on the other hand when an organization tries to take a stand against pedifiles you cry that they are being excluded.

Some facts (I know libs don't like them, but tough cheese loosers)

1. The Boy Scouts are founded on the beliefs of God and Country. There is no place in the eyes of either for degenerates.

2. Why would sexually confused young men want to hang out with a God fearing group like the scouts. Camping, being with your fellow men alone in the woods, long girl-free summer camps, sharp uniforms, songs, handicrafts? Go watch glee or something, and leave Scouting to the real men.

3. Scouts are a private organization. They never use community centers, public spaces, parks, etc, so your namby pamby laws about "oh lets hold hands and poop rainbows and sing KumByA" don't apply here.

Suck it libs. Suck it long and hard. Just don't go trying to gay up the Scouts.

Keep the 12 points alive and well, America!!!

[i35.photobucket.com image 250x320]


Pi/10
 
2012-07-17 08:42:04 PM
it's funny; i left scouting at 14 because i discovered girls and thought that camping with a bunch of boys sounded kinda gay.
 
2012-07-17 08:49:24 PM

GleeUnit: alywa: You know what libs? Sometimes I just don't get this country.

On one hand you have everyone getting their pantys in a wad over gays over at Penn State molesting kids. "Boo Hoo, they should have done something about that big bad Sanduskie guy..." yet on the other hand when an organization tries to take a stand against pedifiles you cry that they are being excluded.

Some facts (I know libs don't like them, but tough cheese loosers)

1. The Boy Scouts are founded on the beliefs of God and Country. There is no place in the eyes of either for degenerates.

2. Why would sexually confused young men want to hang out with a God fearing group like the scouts. Camping, being with your fellow men alone in the woods, long girl-free summer camps, sharp uniforms, songs, handicrafts? Go watch glee or something, and leave Scouting to the real men.

3. Scouts are a private organization. They never use community centers, public spaces, parks, etc, so your namby pamby laws about "oh lets hold hands and poop rainbows and sing KumByA" don't apply here.

Suck it libs. Suck it long and hard. Just don't go trying to gay up the Scouts.

Keep the 12 points alive and well, America!!!

I foresee some solid bites on this one.


Nah, it's a little too heavy handed and it would take a real moron to group that many logical fallacies in one comment unintentionally.
 
2012-07-17 08:50:14 PM

doglover: some_beer_drinker: the homos can be as gay as they want and no one will give a shiat.

Assuming anyone does now.

I think most things in society are always last changed officially. Hence the phrase "The writing's on the wall." The lowest common denomenator is always the first to accept things while officials relent only when all hope of procrastination is loss.


The problem with being gay in the minds of those who believe scripture is infallible is that, ignoring the fact that scripture has almost as many plot holes in it as it does chapters, they think that gayness is wrong. Then, when it gets rewarded by recognition and celebration, it causes all sorts of crises of faith and dogma, which is anxiety-laden at least and downright saddening and sickening at worst. These people, while moronic, are fighting for their happiness, which, when you look at it that way, you can't blame them for. Just like you can't blame gays for wanting to be happy with their lives.

With the lessening of faith in the world, eventually this too shall pass. As for the BSA, eventually it'll get to the point that they'll have to go 100% private or give it up.
 
2012-07-17 08:54:57 PM
Because clearly going camping with a bunch of dudes is an entirely heterosexual experience.
 
2012-07-17 09:04:31 PM

bdub77: Because clearly going camping with a bunch of dudes is an entirely heterosexual experience.


hey now! it's traditional. i was a scout for 10 years, i never ever saw anything gay. we learned how to start fires, and build things, and live outside. that's useful in canada, or after the bank has taken your house.
 
2012-07-17 09:11:14 PM

alywa: You know what libs? Sometimes I just don't get this country.

On one hand you have everyone getting their pantys in a wad over gays over at Penn State molesting kids. "Boo Hoo, they should have done something about that big bad Sanduskie guy..." yet on the other hand when an organization tries to take a stand against pedifiles you cry that they are being excluded.

Some facts (I know libs don't like them, but tough cheese loosers)

1. The Boy Scouts are founded on the beliefs of God and Country. There is no place in the eyes of either for degenerates.

2. Why would sexually confused young men want to hang out with a God fearing group like the scouts. Camping, being with your fellow men alone in the woods, long girl-free summer camps, sharp uniforms, songs, handicrafts? Go watch glee or something, and leave Scouting to the real men.

3. Scouts are a private organization. They never use community centers, public spaces, parks, etc, so your namby pamby laws about "oh lets hold hands and poop rainbows and sing KumByA" don't apply here.

Suck it libs. Suck it long and hard. Just don't go trying to gay up the Scouts.

Keep the 12 points alive and well, America!!!


Oh look, it's the false equivalence between gays and child molestors that you only ever hear about from scout-haters.

I wish the BSA would change their position. Nobody cared who you were attracted to when I was a scout. The one gay kid in my troop was one of the more exemplary scouts we had.
 
2012-07-17 09:13:01 PM

some_beer_drinker: bdub77: Because clearly going camping with a bunch of dudes is an entirely heterosexual experience.

hey now! it's traditional. i was a scout for 10 years, i never ever saw anything gay. we learned how to start fires, and build things, and live outside. that's useful in canada, or after the bank has taken your house.


We were more the "make huge farking fires and act like pricks in the woods" types, actually. Or you could be like me: by the last summer I went to Cachalot Scout Reservation, I won the top shot award for .22 rifle shooting. Still have the award & my NRA Sharpshooter medallion.
 
2012-07-17 09:17:19 PM

FriarReb98: some_beer_drinker: bdub77: Because clearly going camping with a bunch of dudes is an entirely heterosexual experience.

hey now! it's traditional. i was a scout for 10 years, i never ever saw anything gay. we learned how to start fires, and build things, and live outside. that's useful in canada, or after the bank has taken your house.

We were more the "make huge farking fires and act like pricks in the woods" types, actually. Or you could be like me: by the last summer I went to Cachalot Scout Reservation, I won the top shot award for .22 rifle shooting. Still have the award & my NRA Sharpshooter medallion.


That's the way to do it. My troop started off like that, but by my last couple of years we got a bunch of new nanny-leaders who eliminated all the fun (aka marginally dangerous) stuff and turned the troop into a merit badge factory. Those kind of leaders are infinitely more of a threat than the gheys.
 
2012-07-17 09:29:42 PM
The derp for the local TV news blog is strong.

One yahoo is cheering that it's keeping the perverts out from molesting little boys, but someone else pointed out that Sandusky ("a STRAIGHT MAN") was molesting little boys for decades and protected by others.
 
2012-07-17 09:31:34 PM
New Boy Scout motto: If you're gay, go away

I wonder if they know their founder was a closeted gay?

From Wikipedia:
Sexuality

Early discussion of Baden-Powell's sexuality focused on his relationship with his close friend Kenneth McLaren. Tim Jeal's later biography discusses the relationship and finds that there is no conclusive evidence that this friendship was physical. Jeal then examines Baden-Powell's views on women, his appreciation of the male form, his military relationships, and his marriage, concluding that Baden-Powell might have been a repressed homosexual. Jeal's conclusion is shared by some biographers and disputed by others, but is not yet examined in any detail by other scholars
 
2012-07-17 09:46:27 PM

Walker: Tim Jeal's later biography discusses the relationship and finds that there is no conclusive evidence that this friendship was physical. Jeal then examines Baden-Powell's views on women, his appreciation of the male form, his military relationships, and his marriage, concluding that Baden-Powell might have been a repressed homosexual.


I don't have any evidence, but my conclusion is right anyway.
 
2012-07-17 09:53:28 PM
The Mormon Church, the largest sponsor of Boy Scout troops in the United States is fiercely opposed to admitting homosexuals and has stated that it will end its nine-decade-long affiliation if gays are admitted. This decision would mean the departure of more than 412,000 Scouts who are sponsored by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. In total it is about twelve percent of the entire BSA organization's membership.

Link

I wonder if this had any impact on their decision. Hrm ...
 
2012-07-17 09:59:15 PM

alywa: Please put me on your ignore list.


Gladly!
 
2012-07-17 09:59:15 PM
You can be gay in the Scouts - right after you're promoted to Scoutmaster
 
2012-07-17 10:00:45 PM
I've been reading up on the Baden-Powell Service Association. It's a shame that congressional charters and BSA lawyers effectively ban them from using the word "scout" in their name, but surely they could come up with something a little catchier than what they've got now.
Young American Recon Group or something? I unno, calling yourself a Yarg seems kind of fun, but might not be for everyone.
What would be another good name for an alternative scouting organization without all the goofy rules?
 
2012-07-17 10:06:53 PM
i35.photobucket.com
www.kondomkingdom.com
Now in convenient travel size. Perfect for camping.
 
2012-07-17 10:10:40 PM
What's wrong your fellow scout helping you carve and polish your pinewood?
 
2012-07-17 10:21:48 PM
My kid told me they taught them how to polish doorknobs or something, I dunno, I wasn't really listening.
 
2012-07-17 10:30:34 PM

GleeUnit: alywa: You know what libs? Sometimes I just don't get this country.

On one hand you have everyone getting their pantys in a wad over gays over at Penn State molesting kids. "Boo Hoo, they should have done something about that big bad Sanduskie guy..." yet on the other hand when an organization tries to take a stand against pedifiles you cry that they are being excluded.

Some facts (I know libs don't like them, but tough cheese loosers)

1. The Boy Scouts are founded on the beliefs of God and Country. There is no place in the eyes of either for degenerates.

2. Why would sexually confused young men want to hang out with a God fearing group like the scouts. Camping, being with your fellow men alone in the woods, long girl-free summer camps, sharp uniforms, songs, handicrafts? Go watch glee or something, and leave Scouting to the real men.

3. Scouts are a private organization. They never use community centers, public spaces, parks, etc, so your namby pamby laws about "oh lets hold hands and poop rainbows and sing KumByA" don't apply here.

Suck it libs. Suck it long and hard. Just don't go trying to gay up the Scouts.

Keep the 12 points alive and well, America!!!

I foresee some solid bites on this one.


Way over the top. Nobody here is dumb enough to believe that Alya believes this tripe. I mean, sure, maybe somebody will use it as a springboard to advance their own opinions, but is that really a "bite" in the context of a troll?

Anyway, this is all that really needs to be said:

FTA: "It's disappointing," he said. "The first value of the Scout's law, is a scout is trustworthy, and this process does not sound trustworthy. We don't know who the people are -- they are not named and they are not willing to accept responsibility for their actions."
 
bow
2012-07-17 10:37:06 PM
Good luck trying to keep us out.
 
2012-07-17 10:58:21 PM
thrifty

My ass, thrifty. All the uniforms and that other crapola is expensive and it sure as shiat doesn't ever go on sale. If my local scouting chapter starts hard-selling the Jesus, that's as good an excuse as I need to have my son pick some other activity. If I want a time-suck spiritual lecture eating my weekend, I'll go to church.
 
2012-07-17 11:02:29 PM
The majority of child molesters are straight, middle class married men with religious and community ties.
 
2012-07-17 11:08:30 PM
Physically strong, mentally awake,and morally STRAIGHT
 
2012-07-17 11:09:23 PM
I could never earn my Bear badge in Cub Scouts so I was drummed out pretty early anyway.
 
2012-07-17 11:40:07 PM

jaylectricity: GleeUnit: alywa: You know what libs? Sometimes I just don't get this country.

On one hand you have everyone getting their pantys in a wad over gays over at Penn State molesting kids. "Boo Hoo, they should have done something about that big bad Sanduskie guy..." yet on the other hand when an organization tries to take a stand against pedifiles you cry that they are being excluded.

Some facts (I know libs don't like them, but tough cheese loosers)

1. The Boy Scouts are founded on the beliefs of God and Country. There is no place in the eyes of either for degenerates.

2. Why would sexually confused young men want to hang out with a God fearing group like the scouts. Camping, being with your fellow men alone in the woods, long girl-free summer camps, sharp uniforms, songs, handicrafts? Go watch glee or something, and leave Scouting to the real men.

3. Scouts are a private organization. They never use community centers, public spaces, parks, etc, so your namby pamby laws about "oh lets hold hands and poop rainbows and sing KumByA" don't apply here.

Suck it libs. Suck it long and hard. Just don't go trying to gay up the Scouts.

Keep the 12 points alive and well, America!!!

I foresee some solid bites on this one.

Way over the top. Nobody here is dumb enough to believe that Alya believes this tripe. I mean, sure, maybe somebody will use it as a springboard to advance their own opinions, but is that really a "bite" in the context of a troll?

Anyway, this is all that really needs to be said:

FTA: "It's disappointing," he said. "The first value of the Scout's law, is a scout is trustworthy, and this process does not sound trustworthy. We don't know who the people are -- they are not named and they are not willing to accept responsibility for their actions."


And yet he got two bites.
 
2012-07-17 11:43:57 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Fine, do what you want, BSA. Be on the wrong side of history, but don't ask me for any help with anything, or for money, and we're good.


The above comment precisely reflects my opinion on the referenced matter
 
2012-07-17 11:53:31 PM

BSABSVR: And yet he got two bites.


So just quoting somebody is "biting" on a troll? Like I said...springboard.
 
2012-07-17 11:53:56 PM

pudding7: As an Eagle Scout, this makes me sad.


Ditto.

To be honest, I'm an Eagle Scout (and OA) and an atheist, which puts me at odds with the BSA as much as homosexuality.

Anyway, this is how I try to view the issue:

I think GWB was a terrible president, but that doesn't mean that I decided that the US was a terrible country incapable of doing good (and neither did I disagree with everything Bush did). In a similar vein, I find it disgraceful that the BSA continues to take this stance, but at the same time, I know for a fact that there is value to be had in Scouting, and that it should not be wholly condemned for the myopic views of a few people at the top.
 
2012-07-17 11:59:18 PM
backyardgaming.files.wordpress.com

Approves.
 
2012-07-18 12:00:39 AM

alywa: You know what libs? Sometimes I just don't get this country.

On one hand you have everyone getting their pantys in a wad over gays over at Penn State molesting kids. "Boo Hoo, they should have done something about that big bad Sanduskie guy..." yet on the other hand when an organization tries to take a stand against pedifiles you cry that they are being excluded.

Some facts (I know libs don't like them, but tough cheese loosers)

1. The Boy Scouts are founded on the beliefs of God and Country. There is no place in the eyes of either for degenerates.

2. Why would sexually confused young men want to hang out with a God fearing group like the scouts. Camping, being with your fellow men alone in the woods, long girl-free summer camps, sharp uniforms, songs, handicrafts? Go watch glee or something, and leave Scouting to the real men.

3. Scouts are a private organization. They never use community centers, public spaces, parks, etc, so your namby pamby laws about "oh lets hold hands and poop rainbows and sing KumByA" don't apply here.

Suck it libs. Suck it long and hard. Just don't go trying to gay up the Scouts.

Keep the 12 points alive and well, America!!!

[i35.photobucket.com image 250x320]


Just go farking die in a fire, you troll bastard f@990t.
 
2012-07-18 12:01:44 AM

GleeUnit: alywa: You know what libs? Sometimes I just don't get this country.

On one hand you have everyone getting their pantys in a wad over gays over at Penn State molesting kids. "Boo Hoo, they should have done something about that big bad Sanduskie guy..." yet on the other hand when an organization tries to take a stand against pedifiles you cry that they are being excluded.

Some facts (I know libs don't like them, but tough cheese loosers)

1. The Boy Scouts are founded on the beliefs of God and Country. There is no place in the eyes of either for degenerates.

2. Why would sexually confused young men want to hang out with a God fearing group like the scouts. Camping, being with your fellow men alone in the woods, long girl-free summer camps, sharp uniforms, songs, handicrafts? Go watch glee or something, and leave Scouting to the real men.

3. Scouts are a private organization. They never use community centers, public spaces, parks, etc, so your namby pamby laws about "oh lets hold hands and poop rainbows and sing KumByA" don't apply here.

Suck it libs. Suck it long and hard. Just don't go trying to gay up the Scouts.

Keep the 12 points alive and well, America!!!

I foresee some solid bites on this one.


Oh, goddammit...
 
2012-07-18 12:03:06 AM
As an Eagle Scout, this infuriates me. Come on guys, if the military allows it, you allow it. Get your heads out of your asses and pull yourselves into the 21st century.
 
2012-07-18 12:03:24 AM

timujin: GleeUnit: alywa: You know what libs? Sometimes I just don't get this country.

On one hand you have everyone getting their pantys in a wad over gays over at Penn State molesting kids. "Boo Hoo, they should have done something about that big bad Sanduskie guy..." yet on the other hand when an organization tries to take a stand against pedifiles you cry that they are being excluded.

Some facts (I know libs don't like them, but tough cheese loosers)

1. The Boy Scouts are founded on the beliefs of God and Country. There is no place in the eyes of either for degenerates.

2. Why would sexually confused young men want to hang out with a God fearing group like the scouts. Camping, being with your fellow men alone in the woods, long girl-free summer camps, sharp uniforms, songs, handicrafts? Go watch glee or something, and leave Scouting to the real men.

3. Scouts are a private organization. They never use community centers, public spaces, parks, etc, so your namby pamby laws about "oh lets hold hands and poop rainbows and sing KumByA" don't apply here.

Suck it libs. Suck it long and hard. Just don't go trying to gay up the Scouts.

Keep the 12 points alive and well, America!!!

I foresee some solid bites on this one.

Nah, it's a little too heavy handed and it would take a real moron to group that many logical fallacies in one comment unintentionally.


I didn't read the whole thing before posting...

/sadface
 
2012-07-18 12:03:56 AM

Moonraper: [backyardgaming.files.wordpress.com image 187x261]

Approves.


Well, rainbows *DO* make him cry...
 
2012-07-18 12:06:19 AM
feels your pain

www.trbimg.com

/he's probably fapping to this thread right now if he has earned his internet privileges
 
2012-07-18 12:06:39 AM
Oh, for a second I thought that said a Scot. And was wondering if subby had ever met a Scot.
 
2012-07-18 12:08:04 AM

mikaloyd: feels your pain

[www.trbimg.com image 400x504]

/he's probably fapping to this thread right now if he has earned his internet privileges


They don't have internet privileges in prison, that's only on TV.
 
2012-07-18 12:08:38 AM

alywa: You know what libs? Sometimes I just don't get this country.

On one hand you have everyone getting their pantys in a wad over gays over at Penn State molesting kids. "Boo Hoo, they should have done something about that big bad Sanduskie guy..." yet on the other hand when an organization tries to take a stand against pedifiles you cry that they are being excluded.

Some facts (I know libs don't like them, but tough cheese loosers)

1. The Boy Scouts are founded on the beliefs of God and Country. There is no place in the eyes of either for degenerates.

2. Why would sexually confused young men want to hang out with a God fearing group like the scouts. Camping, being with your fellow men alone in the woods, long girl-free summer camps, sharp uniforms, songs, handicrafts? Go watch glee or something, and leave Scouting to the real men.

3. Scouts are a private organization. They never use community centers, public spaces, parks, etc, so your namby pamby laws about "oh lets hold hands and poop rainbows and sing KumByA" don't apply here.

Suck it libs. Suck it long and hard. Just don't go trying to gay up the Scouts.

Keep the 12 points alive and well, America!!!


8.8 / 10

Special mention: You didn't say "libtards" and you misspelled "Sandusky" and "pedophiles."
You smile is showing, however, with "alone in the woods."
 
2012-07-18 12:09:02 AM
I read "Scout" as "Scot" in the headline, and was amused, and was thinking I would see a defense of sheep-banging.

I dnrtfa, but scouting is so gay. And my Eagle Scout super-gay friend agrees. He got so much old guy and young guy action at those campouts.

Also, I'm a middle aged man who you've barely met once or twice, but I seemed friendly enough. Can I take your 12 year old girl out into the woods for the weekend for a camping trip? No? Awww... Well, how about your 11 year old boy? Great! He'll have so much fun.
 
2012-07-18 12:09:51 AM
Thrifty - Brave.

Save a penny -- Risk your life!

/Gallagher
//or maybe his brother ...
 
2012-07-18 12:09:56 AM

doglover: Let's look at it with our Conservative glasses: Some boys or men want to join the girl scouts. What do you?


Accidentally the whole thing?
 
2012-07-18 12:10:03 AM
img2.timeinc.net
I love you, but you have no idea what you are talking about
 
2012-07-18 12:10:30 AM
Teaching young men to stand up for what they believe in by conferring and voting in secret. The bigotry I expected, but I had no idea the national organization was this cowardly.
 
2012-07-18 12:12:13 AM

TommyymmoT: mikaloyd: feels your pain

[www.trbimg.com image 400x504]

/he's probably fapping to this thread right now if he has earned his internet privileges

They don't have internet privileges in prison, that's only on TV.


That's inhumane. We cant have that
 
2012-07-18 12:12:57 AM
Is there a merit badge for trolling?
 
2012-07-18 12:13:25 AM
i wonder when the first lawsuit for a gay boy/gay scout leader to join the girl scouts happens.

why hasnt a boy/girl sued to join the girl/boy scouts anyways? seems like the sort of thing people would do
 
2012-07-18 12:13:58 AM

serial_crusher: Oh look, it's the false equivalence between gays and child molestors that you only ever hear about from scout-haters.


Lolwut?
 
2012-07-18 12:14:35 AM

thisiszombocom: i wonder when the first lawsuit for a gay boy/gay scout leader to join the girl scouts happens.

why hasnt a boy/girl sued to join the girl/boy scouts anyways? seems like the sort of thing people would do


Nobody is that douchey are they?
 
2012-07-18 12:14:37 AM
My son was in cub scouts this year, a "tiger" meaning he was in first grade. Our den leader was a lesbian, and her domestic partner helped alot. Overall they were great at communicating, but the events were boring. No outdoor events to speak of, nothing exciting, the one campout we went to had a fire ban. I was the only person to bring a small propane stove to cook on and when I was making eggs and bacon on Saturday morning I looked around to see everyone else had macdonalds coffee cups and were hovering in around the smell of bacon. We left camp early and went to a state park to finish our trip.

Never went back to scouts, told folks his grades were slipping and he needed to focus on that first.
 
2012-07-18 12:16:31 AM
I'm keeping my kids out of BSA until the Mormons are banned from it.

/which will never happen, BSA is synonymous with LDS
//Fark the BSA. I'm better prepared knowing that they are nuts.
 
2012-07-18 12:17:29 AM

thisiszombocom: why hasnt a boy/girl sued to join the girl/boy scouts anyways? seems like the sort of thing people would do


Interestingly, a transgendered boy recently joined the girl scouts. The reaction from the troop? There wasn't one. Though a few troops in a completely different state had complete hissy fits.
 
2012-07-18 12:17:50 AM
To be fair, how many gay guys would wear *that* uniform? It's far from farkin' fabulous, y'know.
 
2012-07-18 12:18:41 AM
A Scot is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, reverent, and wears a skirt.

/"not" and "dis-" omitted
 
2012-07-18 12:19:50 AM

serial_crusher: I've been reading up on the Baden-Powell Service Association. It's a shame that congressional charters and BSA lawyers effectively ban them from using the word "scout" in their name, but surely they could come up with something a little catchier than what they've got now.
Young American Recon Group or something? I unno, calling yourself a Yarg seems kind of fun, but might not be for everyone.
What would be another good name for an alternative scouting organization without all the goofy rules?


Commando Kids!
 
2012-07-18 12:20:19 AM

apachevoyeur: /which will never happen, BSA is synonymous with LDS


starwrecked.com

"You'll have to pardon my friend. He took a little too much LDS in the 60's."
 
2012-07-18 12:20:32 AM
The Unitarian Universalists got their religion medal discontinued from the scouts for supporting gays.
 
2012-07-18 12:23:42 AM
I have good memories of scouting. Our troop master, not so many, because he was sh*tfaced on every camping trip until a few hours before it was time to head back and he needed to sober up. Good taste in porn, though.
 
2012-07-18 12:24:54 AM
This is ironic considering that, from my own personal experience as well as stories I've heard, boy scout camp is pretty much a non-stop hedonistic gay free-for-all
 
2012-07-18 12:25:54 AM

pudding7: As an Eagle Scout, this makes me sad.


i789.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-18 12:26:49 AM
As an eagle scout and currently drunker than 2 skunks; I feel that the everyone deserves to be bullied enough by their mother(s) to get the eagle scout. Because, by that point, either the scout is already tots gehy or has a very insistent mother.

/ has a very insistent mother; she is 5' of fury
 
2012-07-18 12:27:54 AM

Danger Avoid Death: Is there a merit badge for trolling?


Getting on My Little Pony Killer's ignore list is it. Nothing in the world quite like it.
 
2012-07-18 12:27:55 AM

MisterTweak: I have good memories of scouting. Our troop master, not so many, because he was sh*tfaced on every camping trip until a few hours before it was time to head back and he needed to sober up. Good taste in porn, though.


This to a lesser extent. We'd yell "skate break" in the middle of meetings and take off. WE WERE NOT SHEEP.
 
2012-07-18 12:28:40 AM

Dahnkster: [img2.timeinc.net image 320x240]
I love you, but you have no idea what you are talking about


At first I thought he had a massive erection, but then I saw it was his waterbottle...
 
2012-07-18 12:31:17 AM

iheartscotch: As an eagle scout and currently drunker than 2 skunks; I feel that the everyone deserves to be bullied enough by their mother(s) to get the eagle scout. Because, by that point, either the scout is already tots gehy or has a very insistent mother.

/ has a very insistent mother; she is 5' of fury


That's funny, she insisted on my 6" of fury.

/8"
//5"
///sears catalogue
 
2012-07-18 12:32:21 AM

alywa: You know what libs? Sometimes I just don't get this country.

On one hand you have everyone getting their pantys in a wad over gays over at Penn State molesting kids. "Boo Hoo, they should have done something about that big bad Sanduskie guy..." yet on the other hand when an organization tries to take a stand against pedifiles you cry that they are being excluded.

Some facts (I know libs don't like them, but tough cheese loosers)

1. The Boy Scouts are founded on the beliefs of God and Country. There is no place in the eyes of either for degenerates.

2. Why would sexually confused young men want to hang out with a God fearing group like the scouts. Camping, being with your fellow men alone in the woods, long girl-free summer camps, sharp uniforms, songs, handicrafts? Go watch glee or something, and leave Scouting to the real men.

3. Scouts are a private organization. They never use community centers, public spaces, parks, etc, so your namby pamby laws about "oh lets hold hands and poop rainbows and sing KumByA" don't apply here.

Suck it libs. Suck it long and hard. Just don't go trying to gay up the Scouts.

Keep the 12 points alive and well, America!!!

[i35.photobucket.com image 250x320]


The Webs...you Win....Brilliant!
 
2012-07-18 12:32:59 AM
ts1.mm.bing.net
/do not approve

:(
 
2012-07-18 12:36:11 AM

jaylectricity: BSABSVR: And yet he got two bites.

So just quoting somebody is "biting" on a troll? Like I said...springboard.


No. Believing him is biting on a troll. As two people did. Pay f*cking attention once in awhile.
 
2012-07-18 12:36:44 AM

thisisyourbrainonFark: iheartscotch: As an eagle scout and currently drunker than 2 skunks; I feel that the everyone deserves to be bullied enough by their mother(s) to get the eagle scout. Because, by that point, either the scout is already tots gehy or has a very insistent mother.

/ has a very insistent mother; she is 5' of fury

That's funny, she insisted on my 6" of fury.

/8"
//5"
///sears catalogue


And good luck to you, chum! Her last 6 boyfriends have all died violent mysterious deaths; attributed to as a yet in caught serial killer.
 
2012-07-18 12:39:01 AM
Seriously. Wearing -that- uniform, your'e trying to tell me, with a straight face, you don't accept gay guys?


There's really only two kinds of folks with that knd of fashion sense. survivalist gays and facists.


So, basically, the BSA are telling us they'd rather be associated with nazis than with gay guys.. What in 40 farks is wrong with this world.

/Queer
//Proud of it.
 
2012-07-18 12:39:45 AM

GleeUnit: alywa: You know what libs? Sometimes I just don't get this country.

On one hand you have everyone getting their pantys in a wad over gays over at Penn State molesting kids. "Boo Hoo, they should have done something about that big bad Sanduskie guy..." yet on the other hand when an organization tries to take a stand against pedifiles you cry that they are being excluded.

Some facts (I know libs don't like them, but tough cheese loosers)

1. The Boy Scouts are founded on the beliefs of God and Country. There is no place in the eyes of either for degenerates.

2. Why would sexually confused young men want to hang out with a God fearing group like the scouts. Camping, being with your fellow men alone in the woods, long girl-free summer camps, sharp uniforms, songs, handicrafts? Go watch glee or something, and leave Scouting to the real men.

3. Scouts are a private organization. They never use community centers, public spaces, parks, etc, so your namby pamby laws about "oh lets hold hands and poop rainbows and sing KumByA" don't apply here.

Suck it libs. Suck it long and hard. Just don't go trying to gay up the Scouts.

Keep the 12 points alive and well, America!!!

I foresee some solid bites on this one.


Well not if you go around blowing his cover.
 
2012-07-18 12:40:05 AM
Fark Wrestling Community members, if you didn't immediately think of this, I am ashamed of you.
 
2012-07-18 12:40:32 AM

serial_crusher: What would be another good name for an alternative scouting organization without all the goofy rules?


The British Navy.
 
2012-07-18 12:41:47 AM
Jethus Chrithst
 
2012-07-18 12:43:11 AM

serial_crusher: I've been reading up on the Baden-Powell Service Association. It's a shame that congressional charters and BSA lawyers effectively ban them from using the word "scout" in their name, but surely they could come up with something a little catchier than what they've got now.
Young American Recon Group or something? I unno, calling yourself a Yarg seems kind of fun, but might not be for everyone.
What would be another good name for an alternative scouting organization without all the goofy rules?


American Boy Scouting was only loosely based on LBP's Scouts of Gilwell.
Dan Beard's Indian Guides, and the Predominantly Protestant Businessmen who founded the BSA wanted an organization that offered an exciting alternative to the roving gangs of teen boys running rampant at the turn of the century. The Goal was to give them a Moral compass, and train them to be Community leaders that gave a shiat about others as much as, if not more than themselves. The BSA still tries to meet that standard of what Scouting is in the US.

Sexual orientation is a distraction that too many "religious" sponsoring organizations just refuse to look away from. They control the BSA, and since they make up the Majority of Scouting Org's, They get to say what goes. That's as democratic as it gets.
 
2012-07-18 12:44:44 AM

iheartscotch: thisisyourbrainonFark: iheartscotch: As an eagle scout and currently drunker than 2 skunks; I feel that the everyone deserves to be bullied enough by their mother(s) to get the eagle scout. Because, by that point, either the scout is already tots gehy or has a very insistent mother.

/ has a very insistent mother; she is 5' of fury

That's funny, she insisted on my 6" of fury.

/8"
//5"
///sears catalogue

And good luck to you, chum! Her last 6 boyfriends have all died violent mysterious deaths; attributed to as a yet in caught serial killer.


Maybe you inherited her butchery of the English language?
 
2012-07-18 12:48:48 AM
i336.photobucket.com

Expelis cornholum!
 
2012-07-18 12:49:29 AM

timujin: Nah, it's a little too heavy handed and it would take a real moron to group that many logical fallacies in one comment unintentionally.


You've obviously never read Free Republic or Conservapedia.
 
2012-07-18 12:51:14 AM

serial_crusher: What would be another good name for an alternative scouting organization without all the goofy rules?


Spiral Scouts.
 
2012-07-18 12:51:19 AM

muldoon: My son was in cub scouts this year, a "tiger" meaning he was in first grade. Our den leader was a lesbian, and her domestic partner helped alot. Overall they were great at communicating, but the events were boring. No outdoor events to speak of, nothing exciting, the one campout we went to had a fire ban. I was the only person to bring a small propane stove to cook on and when I was making eggs and bacon on Saturday morning I looked around to see everyone else had macdonalds coffee cups and were hovering in around the smell of bacon. We left camp early and went to a state park to finish our trip.

Never went back to scouts, told folks his grades were slipping and he needed to focus on that first.


You should have told them it was too much excitement for the boy.
Not everybody is ready for that level of gritty realism and outdoor survivalism.

Fire ban?
Great planning.
What do they do, gather around the flashlight and tell spooky stories about the time their iPhone died?
 
2012-07-18 12:53:54 AM

alywa: You know what libs? Sometimes I just don't get this country.

On one hand you have everyone getting their pantys in a wad over gays over at Penn State molesting kids. "Boo Hoo, they should have done something about that big bad Sanduskie guy..." yet on the other hand when an organization tries to take a stand against pedifiles you cry that they are being excluded.

Some facts (I know libs don't like them, but tough cheese loosers)

1. The Boy Scouts are founded on the beliefs of God and Country. There is no place in the eyes of either for degenerates.

2. Why would sexually confused young men want to hang out with a God fearing group like the scouts. Camping, being with your fellow men alone in the woods, long girl-free summer camps, sharp uniforms, songs, handicrafts? Go watch glee or something, and leave Scouting to the real men.

3. Scouts are a private organization. They never use community centers, public spaces, parks, etc, so your namby pamby laws about "oh lets hold hands and poop rainbows and sing KumByA" don't apply here.

Suck it libs. Suck it long and hard. Just don't go trying to gay up the Scouts.

Keep the 12 points alive and well, America!!!

[i35.photobucket.com image 250x320]



FARK should have a way for people to rate posts like this.

9/10

/I would have given you a 10, but your eagle didn't sparkle or cry.
 
2012-07-18 12:53:56 AM
cache.backpackinglight.com

You is kind. You is smart. You is important.
 
2012-07-18 12:54:15 AM

thisisyourbrainonFark: iheartscotch: thisisyourbrainonFark: iheartscotch: As an eagle scout and currently drunker than 2 skunks; I feel that the everyone deserves to be bullied enough by their mother(s) to get the eagle scout. Because, by that point, either the scout is already tots gehy or has a very insistent mother.

/ has a very insistent mother; she is 5' of fury

That's funny, she insisted on my 6" of fury.

/8"
//5"
///sears catalogue

And good luck to you, chum! Her last 6 boyfriends have all died violent mysterious deaths; attributed to as a yet in caught serial killer.

Maybe you inherited her butchery of the English language?


Well, my good sir; the, as yet unidentified, suspect has a cereal issue with dyslexia; and is known to misspell word.

/ I also understand that the suspect is an excellent shot
 
2012-07-18 12:54:55 AM

doglover: Basically, for the BSA, they're a super conservative institution willing to take a little egg on the face from GLAD to avoid taking something else on the face in a scandal should one erupt.


Wait a minute, that's not egg!
 
2012-07-18 12:56:10 AM
Came for Canteen Boy. Leaving devastated.
 
2012-07-18 12:57:13 AM
Play this

bosguydotcom.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-07-18 12:59:12 AM
I bailed on the Boy Scouts after they insisted I participate in religious ceremonies (any of the major religions), but I couldn't consciously do that.

/ I wonder if they'd allow someone who was in the Church of Satan? Some of the more self indulgent ideas might not mesh well with scouting.
// Is there a Gay-sus?
 
2012-07-18 01:00:16 AM
No Alec Baldwin yet? Come on people!
 
2012-07-18 01:00:45 AM

Dahnkster: [cache.backpackinglight.com image 500x367]

You is kind. You is smart. You is important.


You is helped me pitch a tent.
 
2012-07-18 01:03:38 AM

Monongahela Misfit: The Goal was to give them a Moral compass


You can have a moral compass that doesn't point due right.

Monongahela Misfit: train them to be Community leaders that gave a shiat about others as much as, if not more than themselves


That's pretty much the complete opposite of the Conservative agenda. Unless by "others" you mean "people who look, think, vote, and pray exactly like I do and don't do anything in private that I think is yukky or gross"
 
2012-07-18 01:03:52 AM
I disapprove, but they're a private organization so more power to them. I do, however, think they shouldn't be allowed to recruit at the schools. Every year, sometimes twice I think, we'd have to go listen to their spiel.
 
2012-07-18 01:05:09 AM

Dahnkster: [i336.photobucket.com image 271x256]

Expelis ...


For the love of god tell me that is a fake Radcliff image. Otherwise, tell me what it's from, as I need to verify it and then weep quietly in the corner.
 
2012-07-18 01:05:12 AM

AbbeySomeone: The majority of child molesters are straight, middle class married men with religious and community ties.


That sums it up right there.
 
2012-07-18 01:07:48 AM

iheartscotch: As an eagle scout and currently drunker than 2 skunks; I feel that the everyone deserves to be bullied enough by their mother(s) to get the eagle scout. Because, by that point, either the scout is already tots gehy or has a very insistent mother.

/ has a very insistent mother; she is 5' of fury


Lordfortuna apparently joined the BSA for about half a school year, and his mom did the den-mother thing during that time; afterwords, apparently they both decided they had absolutely no interest in continuing the experience. He's not one for social activities to this day, but I can see how 20 screaming male children underfoot would have hastened the decision for both of them.
 
2012-07-18 01:10:46 AM
I was a Girl Scout for 9 years. Whenever we would go camping, at least one other parent would join us, in addition to our leaders. Pretty sure Boy Scouts are the same. It's not like a random stranger can become a leader, and then take all the boys camping on his own.

A gay Boy Scout would probably keep his sexuality to himself. I just don't see it being a big deal. But they are making it one.
 
2012-07-18 01:11:15 AM

Dahnkster: [i336.photobucket.com image 271x256]

Expelis cornholum!


He's not practicing safe finger farking. Where's his condom? I know he has one.
 
2012-07-18 01:11:36 AM
I think alywa got a couple. I enjoyed the "welcome to my ignore list" one the most.
 
2012-07-18 01:12:26 AM

Cheesus: I disapprove, but they're a private organization so more power to them. I do, however, think they shouldn't be allowed to recruit at the schools. Every year, sometimes twice I think, we'd have to go listen to their spiel.


Maybe they shouldn't be allowed to use public school facilities for free to hold their meetings either. Publicly funded facilities should be used for events accessible to all.
 
2012-07-18 01:13:15 AM
The Scouts were without a doubt a major influence on me while I was forming my value system as a kid. This stand falls far below the standards of contact I learned from them.

I am gay, and I'm an Eagle Scout. I really hate the fact that a bunch of pinheads have made those two things to be incompatible.
 
2012-07-18 01:14:46 AM

iheartscotch: thisisyourbrainonFark: iheartscotch: thisisyourbrainonFark: iheartscotch: As an eagle scout and currently drunker than 2 skunks; I feel that the everyone deserves to be bullied enough by their mother(s) to get the eagle scout. Because, by that point, either the scout is already tots gehy or has a very insistent mother.

/ has a very insistent mother; she is 5' of fury

That's funny, she insisted on my 6" of fury.

/8"
//5"
///sears catalogue

And good luck to you, chum! Her last 6 boyfriends have all died violent mysterious deaths; attributed to as a yet in caught serial killer.

Maybe you inherited her butchery of the English language?

Well, my good sir; the, as yet unidentified, suspect has a cereal issue with dyslexia; and is known to misspell word.

/ I also understand that the suspect is an excellent shot


I think you mean subject. Here is a subject:

imstars.aufeminin.com
 
2012-07-18 01:17:51 AM

Boudica's War Tampon: Dahnkster: [i336.photobucket.com image 271x256]

Expelis cornholum!

He's not practicing safe finger farking. Where's his condom? I know he has one.


(Points wand) Condominium nonsyphilisisness!!
 
2012-07-18 01:20:23 AM

alywa: You know what libs? Sometimes I just don't get this country.

On one hand you have everyone getting their pantys in a wad over gays over at Penn State molesting kids. "Boo Hoo, they should have done something about that big bad Sanduskie guy..." yet on the other hand when an organization tries to take a stand against pedifiles you cry that they are being excluded.

Some facts (I know libs don't like them, but tough cheese loosers)

1. The Boy Scouts are founded on the beliefs of God and Country. There is no place in the eyes of either for degenerates.

2. Why would sexually confused young men want to hang out with a God fearing group like the scouts. Camping, being with your fellow men alone in the woods, long girl-free summer camps, sharp uniforms, songs, handicrafts? Go watch glee or something, and leave Scouting to the real men.

3. Scouts are a private organization. They never use community centers, public spaces, parks, etc, so your namby pamby laws about "oh lets hold hands and poop rainbows and sing KumByA" don't apply here.

Suck it libs. Suck it long and hard. Just don't go trying to gay up the Scouts.

Keep the 12 points alive and well, America!!!

[i35.photobucket.com image 250x320]



4.bp.blogspot.com
Am I the only one who read that in his voice?
 
2012-07-18 01:20:29 AM
 
2012-07-18 01:22:49 AM
This really pisses me off I'm thinking that next year for the lincoln pilgrimage I will arrange for a counter protest, just a guess but I think that all the little kids will shiat there pants if we pull off 5 k dikes on bikes at the same time they are marching


/very strange a homophobic group honors a gay president every year
 
2012-07-18 01:24:01 AM
Being anti-gay is not a "value", it's just you being a bigot.
 
2012-07-18 01:27:01 AM

mikaloyd: Play this

[bosguydotcom.files.wordpress.com image 330x186]


Dammit, now I'm hungry for Oreos.
 
2012-07-18 01:28:06 AM

omnibus_necanda_sunt: I didn't read the whole thing before posting...


Well, I hope the shame is properly burnt into your memory that it shant happen again.
 
2012-07-18 01:30:59 AM

alywa: You know what libs? Sometimes I just don't get this country.

On one hand you have everyone getting their pantys in a wad over gays over at Penn State molesting kids. "Boo Hoo, they should have done something about that big bad Sanduskie guy..." yet on the other hand when an organization tries to take a stand against pedifiles you cry that they are being excluded.

Some facts (I know libs don't like them, but tough cheese loosers)

1. The Boy Scouts are founded on the beliefs of God and Country. There is no place in the eyes of either for degenerates.

2. Why would sexually confused young men want to hang out with a God fearing group like the scouts. Camping, being with your fellow men alone in the woods, long girl-free summer camps, sharp uniforms, songs, handicrafts? Go watch glee or something, and leave Scouting to the real men.

3. Scouts are a private organization. They never use community centers, public spaces, parks, etc, so your namby pamby laws about "oh lets hold hands and poop rainbows and sing KumByA" don't apply here.

Suck it libs. Suck it long and hard. Just don't go trying to gay up the Scouts.

Keep the 12 points alive and well, America!!!

[i35.photobucket.com image 250x320]


0/10 WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too obvious.
 
2012-07-18 01:32:24 AM

clyph: Monongahela Misfit: The Goal was to give them a Moral compass

You can have a moral compass that doesn't point due right.

Monongahela Misfit: train them to be Community leaders that gave a shiat about others as much as, if not more than themselves

That's pretty much the complete opposite of the Conservative agenda. Unless by "others" you mean "people who look, think, vote, and pray exactly like I do and don't do anything in private that I think is yukky or gross"


I would never pretend that what they teach is open ended, or not subjective to their own agendas, nor should anyone demand that they be wholly objective.
The training is sound and effective. A mature person should learn to appreciate the good points, and disregard the bs that they disagree with.

We should all demand that of each other.

The greatest Offense in Life, is Being offended, when no offense is intended. That goes for everyone, regardless of all differences of opinion.
 
2012-07-18 01:33:01 AM
So what if the Mormons bolt the Scouts? It seems like Scouts would want to preserve their organization for real, normal Christians anyway, not some Stepford cult that cooked The Books to have an "American" version.
 
2012-07-18 01:34:28 AM

jetblack21: alywa: You know what libs? Sometimes I just don't get this country.

On one hand you have everyone getting their pantys in a wad over gays over at Penn State molesting kids. "Boo Hoo, they should have done something about that big bad Sanduskie guy..." yet on the other hand when an organization tries to take a stand against pedifiles you cry that they are being excluded.

Some facts (I know libs don't like them, but tough cheese loosers)

1. The Boy Scouts are founded on the beliefs of God and Country. There is no place in the eyes of either for degenerates.

2. Why would sexually confused young men want to hang out with a God fearing group like the scouts. Camping, being with your fellow men alone in the woods, long girl-free summer camps, sharp uniforms, songs, handicrafts? Go watch glee or something, and leave Scouting to the real men.

3. Scouts are a private organization. They never use community centers, public spaces, parks, etc, so your namby pamby laws about "oh lets hold hands and poop rainbows and sing KumByA" don't apply here.

Suck it libs. Suck it long and hard. Just don't go trying to gay up the Scouts.

Keep the 12 points alive and well, America!!!

[i35.photobucket.com image 250x320]


[4.bp.blogspot.com image 500x385]
Am I the only one who read that in his voice?


In his defense he was after

www.arboretum.wsu.edu

/in the film
//also loved the TV show growing up

namtab.com

5'o'clock Charlie

/off thee lawn upon which you stand, dang gum TPers!
 
2012-07-18 01:35:51 AM

omnibus_necanda_sunt: Suck it libs. Suck it long and hard. Just don't go trying to gay up the Scouts.


It's all handled on a local level anyway. The national organization can do what it wants but the per troop admins really do what ever the hell they want. Anywhere from a DADT to "You're gay? Isn't that special, now lets do boy scout stuff"
 
2012-07-18 01:36:48 AM
The "Scouts" seem to be huddled in some paranoid 1950s world by their campfire, instead of trying to explore the society they now live in. Doesn't sound very "scouty" to me.
 
2012-07-18 01:37:16 AM

ladyfortuna: Dahnkster: [i336.photobucket.com image 271x256]

Expelis ...

For the love of god tell me that is a fake Radcliff image. Otherwise, tell me what it's from, as I need to verify it and then weep quietly in the corner.


It's from the English comedy series "Extras" with Ricky Gervais. Quite funny.
 
2012-07-18 01:38:40 AM
www.hot4cad.com

Yeah guys...nothing gay here...just some young men dressed in snappy uniforms, wearing neckerchiefs, with lots of colorful ribbons everywhere. You start out as a young "tiger" on the scene...graduate to being a lone "wolf" prowling the nightlife...then as you get older, you're a "bear," you might even have some body hair by then...but as you age out of being a "bear" they just call you by the name, "WEBELOS." We-Blows. It's all you have left at that point...all that's available to you.

Nothing gay about that at all....NTTAWWT
 
2012-07-18 01:39:07 AM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: So what if the Mormons bolt the Scouts?


As long as they don't confuse:

www.bombayharbor.com

with:

images-en.busytrade.com
 
2012-07-18 01:40:17 AM

GleeUnit: alywa: You know what libs? Sometimes I just don't get this country.

On one hand you have everyone getting their pantys in a wad over gays over at Penn State molesting kids. "Boo Hoo, they should have done something about that big bad Sanduskie guy..." yet on the other hand when an organization tries to take a stand against pedifiles you cry that they are being excluded.

Some facts (I know libs don't like them, but tough cheese loosers)

1. The Boy Scouts are founded on the beliefs of God and Country. There is no place in the eyes of either for degenerates.

2. Why would sexually confused young men want to hang out with a God fearing group like the scouts. Camping, being with your fellow men alone in the woods, long girl-free summer camps, sharp uniforms, songs, handicrafts? Go watch glee or something, and leave Scouting to the real men.

3. Scouts are a private organization. They never use community centers, public spaces, parks, etc, so your namby pamby laws about "oh lets hold hands and poop rainbows and sing KumByA" don't apply here.

Suck it libs. Suck it long and hard. Just don't go trying to gay up the Scouts.

Keep the 12 points alive and well, America!!!

I foresee some solid bites on this one.


Yup. It seems like an obvious troll, yet I am sure it well get eaten up as legit.
 
2012-07-18 01:40:56 AM

Danger Avoid Death: Huck And Molly Ziegler: So what if the Mormons bolt the Scouts?

As long as they don't confuse:

[www.bombayharbor.com image 548x617]

with:

[images-en.busytrade.com image 850x850]


Is the difference lube?
 
2012-07-18 01:41:12 AM

SubBass49: [www.hot4cad.com image 390x300]

Yeah guys...nothing gay here...just some young men dressed in snappy uniforms, wearing neckerchiefs, with lots of colorful ribbons everywhere. You start out as a young "tiger" on the scene...graduate to being a lone "wolf" prowling the nightlife...then as you get older, you're a "bear," you might even have some body hair by then...but as you age out of being a "bear" they just call you by the name, "WEBELOS." We-Blows. It's all you have left at that point...all that's available to you.

Nothing gay about that at all....NTTAWWT


Weird, when I was a Cub Scout we didn't get different colored scarfs when you got a new badge. And what, does everyone get an automatic badge just for joining now? Weak.
 
2012-07-18 01:44:13 AM
The "potential pedophiles" thing always cracks me up. The founder of the BSA:
1. had a thing for watching naked young boys swimming and was quite upset when swimming naked was banned
2. really admired a friend's collection of photos of naked little boys
3. didn't marry until he was 55 (which was REALLY weird back then)
4. made his wife change her looks to look like a boy - cutting her hair short, flattening her breasts, dressing in what looked like a boy scout uniform
5. was obsessed with Peter Pan

I'm not saying he was a pedophile...
But he was a pedophile.
 
2012-07-18 01:46:00 AM

SubBass49: Yeah guys...nothing gay here...just some young men dressed in snappy uniforms, wearing neckerchiefs, with lots of colorful ribbons everywhere. You start out as a young "tiger" on the scene...graduate to being a lone "wolf" prowling the nightlife...then as you get older, you're a "bear," you might even have some body hair by then...but as you age out of being a "bear" they just call you by the name, "WEBELOS." We-Blows. It's all you have left at that point...all that's available to you.

Nothing gay about that at all....NTTAWWT


You kids really need to separate Cub Scouts, as pictured, from Boy Scouts. Cub packs are Parent, and Adult planned.

Boy Scouts plan and organize their own program with only just enough Adult oversight/supervision to prevent truly aweful results.
 
2012-07-18 01:48:17 AM
No discrimination in Canada. Had a gay troop in 1999 and no discrimination after that with troops not designated as straight or gay.
 
2012-07-18 01:48:50 AM

Monongahela Misfit: SubBass49: Yeah guys...nothing gay here...just some young men dressed in snappy uniforms, wearing neckerchiefs, with lots of colorful ribbons everywhere. You start out as a young "tiger" on the scene...graduate to being a lone "wolf" prowling the nightlife...then as you get older, you're a "bear," you might even have some body hair by then...but as you age out of being a "bear" they just call you by the name, "WEBELOS." We-Blows. It's all you have left at that point...all that's available to you.

Nothing gay about that at all....NTTAWWT

You kids really need to separate Cub Scouts, as pictured, from Boy Scouts. Cub packs are Parent, and Adult planned.

Boy Scouts plan and organize their own program with only just enough Adult oversight/supervision to prevent truly aweful results.


www.scoutinsignia.com

Because nothing says "straight guy" like wearing a sash!
 
2012-07-18 01:50:31 AM

OtherLittleGuy: One yahoo is cheering that it's keeping the perverts out from molesting little boys, but someone else pointed out that Sandusky ("a STRAIGHT MAN") was molesting little boys for decades and protected by others.


If Sandusky was straight, he'd have been hitting on the cheerleaders and female coeds, not cornholing little boys in the shower.
 
2012-07-18 01:51:15 AM
But you, when you pray, enter into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret shall reward you openly.
 
2012-07-18 01:53:20 AM

Sid_6.7: I think GWB was a terrible president, but that doesn't mean that I decided that the US was a terrible country incapable of doing good (and neither did I disagree with everything Bush did). In a similar vein, I find it disgraceful that the BSA continues to take this stance, but at the same time, I know for a fact that there is value to be had in Scouting, and that it should not be wholly condemned for the myopic views of a few people at the top.


SMART! x eleventy
 
2012-07-18 01:53:47 AM

JWideman: The "potential pedophiles" thing always cracks me up. The founder of the BSA:

4. made his wife change her looks to look like a boy - cutting her hair short, flattening her breasts, dressing in what looked like a boy scout uniform
5. was obsessed with Peter Pan


No idea whether the above claims are accurate, but thought it best to post Emma Watson as much of the South likely believes her to be a witch!

img.perezhilton.com

Witch!
 
2012-07-18 01:55:03 AM
I never understood the whole Webelos thing. When I was a Cub Scout, I got the idea of the Tiger, Wolf and Bear badges easy enough, sure, that's logical. And then maybe one day you'll be a Boy Scout and if God is willing and you do your damnest, one day maybe you can achieve the exalted position of Eagle Scout and all the USA will forever congratulate you.

That all makes sense when you are 9. But then there is Webelos. WTF is Webelos? Why do I have to interrupt my serious Cub Scout - to - Boy Scout career by spending a year in some weirdo culty sounding thing?
 
2012-07-18 01:55:59 AM
My scout master used to give the best back rubs. Then my dad told me we were moving and that was that.
 
2012-07-18 01:57:37 AM
One of these days I'm going to build my first pinewood derby car since quitting scouts after they said I needed some badge to use my pocket knife.

I absolutely loved the pinewood derby, but didn't really care for all the other stuff. I enjoy camping, but not with an agenda. Camping should be for relaxing.
 
2012-07-18 01:57:54 AM

Sid_6.7: I think GWB was a terrible president, but that doesn't mean that I decided that the US was a terrible country incapable of doing good (and neither did I disagree with everything Bush did). In a similar vein, I find it disgraceful that the BSA continues to take this stance, but at the same time, I know for a fact that there is value to be had in Scouting, and that it should not be wholly condemned for the myopic views of a few people at the top.


I used to agree 100%, and I know the news is fresh, but this might be the last straw for me. I think BSA is a flawed but good institution worth saving, but I swear they have sealed their fate. This will turn out to be something to be ashamed for in the decades ahead, and will kill the institution.

Sen. Byrd joined KKK for politics & patriotism, but he spent the rest of his life regretting his participation, and apologizing for it. (Good on him.)

Current & recent scouts will be future leaders and newsmakers, and they will have to squirm and disavow likewise. In 2030, participation in this bigoted program will be indefensible. And by then, they will have come around, but who will join? Just the kids of bigots. And the BSA as we know it will be done, relegated to the fringe.

Ashamed to be an Eagle today.
 
2012-07-18 02:00:57 AM

dletter: alywa: You know what libs? Sometimes I just don't get this country.

On one hand you have everyone getting their pantys in a wad over gays over at Penn State molesting kids. "Boo Hoo, they should have done something about that big bad Sanduskie guy..." yet on the other hand when an organization tries to take a stand against pedifiles you cry that they are being excluded.

Some facts (I know libs don't like them, but tough cheese loosers)

1. The Boy Scouts are founded on the beliefs of God and Country. There is no place in the eyes of either for degenerates.

2. Why would sexually confused young men want to hang out with a God fearing group like the scouts. Camping, being with your fellow men alone in the woods, long girl-free summer camps, sharp uniforms, songs, handicrafts? Go watch glee or something, and leave Scouting to the real men.

3. Scouts are a private organization. They never use community centers, public spaces, parks, etc, so your namby pamby laws about "oh lets hold hands and poop rainbows and sing KumByA" don't apply here.

Suck it libs. Suck it long and hard. Just don't go trying to gay up the Scouts.

Keep the 12 points alive and well, America!!!

[i35.photobucket.com image 250x320]

Pi/10


Don't be irrational.
 
2012-07-18 02:03:31 AM
The SCA did all that for me, and I still got to do deviant stuff. I could have done gay stuff, If I wanted.
 
2012-07-18 02:05:13 AM

unatnaes: Sid_6.7:

Current & recent scouts will be future leaders and newsmakers, and they will have to squirm and disavow likewise. In 2030, participation in this bigoted program will be indefensible. And by then, they will have come around, but who will join? Just the kids of bigots. And the BSA as we know it will be done, relegated to the fringe.

Ashamed to be an Eagle today.


Honestly, we should be ashamed. If being an Eagle connoted any sort of social leadership, there should be a public effort by Eagle scouts to overturn this policy. I am aware of no such effort, which is disappointing.
 
2012-07-18 02:05:18 AM
Interesting. Lots o' Eagles here on Fark.

/me too.
 
2012-07-18 02:06:39 AM

serial_crusher: FriarReb98: some_beer_drinker: bdub77: Because clearly going camping with a bunch of dudes is an entirely heterosexual experience.

hey now! it's traditional. i was a scout for 10 years, i never ever saw anything gay. we learned how to start fires, and build things, and live outside. that's useful in canada, or after the bank has taken your house.

We were more the "make huge farking fires and act like pricks in the woods" types, actually. Or you could be like me: by the last summer I went to Cachalot Scout Reservation, I won the top shot award for .22 rifle shooting. Still have the award & my NRA Sharpshooter medallion.

That's the way to do it. My troop started off like that, but by my last couple of years we got a bunch of new nanny-leaders who eliminated all the fun (aka marginally dangerous) stuff and turned the troop into a merit badge factory. Those kind of leaders are infinitely more of a threat than the gheys.


Yeah, I can't see how it's fun without the hazard. My troop had us clear a woodlot once, and the rule was that scouts younger than 8th grade weren't allowed to use the chain saws. No adults in sight when my patrol was in action cutting down sizable hardwood trees.

//lucky to be alive
/but it WAS fun
 
2012-07-18 02:07:47 AM

SubBass49: [www.hot4cad.com image 390x300]

Yeah guys...nothing gay here...just some young men dressed in snappy uniforms, wearing neckerchiefs, with lots of colorful ribbons everywhere. You start out as a young "tiger" on the scene...graduate to being a lone "wolf" prowling the nightlife...then as you get older, you're a "bear," you might even have some body hair by then...but as you age out of being a "bear" they just call you by the name, "WEBELOS." We-Blows. It's all you have left at that point...all that's available to you.

Nothing gay about that at all....NTTAWWT


Confabulat: I never understood the whole Webelos thing.


I hear you non-brother/sister/other. I take pride that in the cub scouts I never actually achieved the rank of scout, the lowest level possible. I also was not able to get to my 20-year high school reunion because of bail-bond issues and so that judgment returned as well this weekend. Thanks, farking Internet.
 
2012-07-18 02:09:10 AM
www.moonbattery.com

/approves
 
2012-07-18 02:09:40 AM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: So what if the Mormons bolt the Scouts? It seems like Scouts would want to preserve their organization for real, normal Christians anyway, not some Stepford cult that cooked The Books to have an "American" version.


Nah, they don't want you to be Christian just reverent. When I was in scouts they said I had to participate in religious activities and at big multi troop events they had Christian, Jewish and even Buddhist priests there to accommodate those of differing religions. But I was in a troop based in Hawaii, they're a lot more culturally tolerant there even toward gays (for the most part, they still have their ultra conservative Christians and Mormons) out there.

But I did end up dropping out since I couldn't bring myself to get into any religious rituals.
 
2012-07-18 02:16:58 AM

SubBass49: Monongahela Misfit: SubBass49: Yeah guys...nothing gay here...just some young men dressed in snappy uniforms, wearing neckerchiefs, with lots of colorful ribbons everywhere. You start out as a young "tiger" on the scene...graduate to being a lone "wolf" prowling the nightlife...then as you get older, you're a "bear," you might even have some body hair by then...but as you age out of being a "bear" they just call you by the name, "WEBELOS." We-Blows. It's all you have left at that point...all that's available to you.

Nothing gay about that at all....NTTAWWT

You kids really need to separate Cub Scouts, as pictured, from Boy Scouts. Cub packs are Parent, and Adult planned.

Boy Scouts plan and organize their own program with only just enough Adult oversight/supervision to prevent truly aweful results.



Because nothing says "straight guy" like wearing a sash!


The worst thing about that pic is how much it looks like me when I was that age, and in Scouts. I'm glad I look more like the antagonist from the latest MIB film now.

When I was active in Scouts, we called ourselves Girl Scouts, since that's what we were really scouting for, and we just learned our scoutcraft without worrying about whether or not the wierd kid who didn't have a Dad was too girly. We were there to have fun, and learn, both the easy way, and the hard way, that Life keeps on going, whether or not You reach all the goals You set for Yourself.

Too many "adults" seem to think they should get to have a say in what others think, or believe. We don't. None of us should. You may try to persuade, and You may succeed or fail in that. You may Not force the issue, or apply external pressures to convince others. I won't.
 
2012-07-18 02:21:21 AM
Wait, this is an official policy for the scouts now as well? When the hell did that happen?

I mean, I made it through Eagle rank in the '90s and no one in our troop cared about anyone else's sex life. Pretty sure several of the guys from the troop turned out gay, as well, though I haven't talked to most of them in a while.

You see, we had real trouble to get into, not irrelevant theoretical social trouble. Boy scout problems were more like "oh, shiat, we forgot to pull Jim down from the tree where we duct taped him two hours ago" and "crap, the tent's on fire, who built the fire ring?" and "seriously, man? spider-wiring the clothes to the clothesline? gimme a second to find the bloody knife". Maybe it comes of being from a troop that wasn't farking useless.

//Admittedly the national level of the organization being a bunch of dicks doesn't really surprise me either. Honestly the idea of the national org having "policies" beyond managing the BSA campgrounds (Philmont, the FL Sea Base, etc) is kind of a joke to begin with, most troops don't even have any contact with the state branches beyond mailing in member lists and who has what badges.

//Also, the Bear/Tiger/Etc is Cub Scouts. Different organization, though they're related. Boy scouts can be as old as 18, so sexuality could potentially be relevant for some of them. Cub scouts stops at age... ten, I guess? So not really an issue there.
 
2012-07-18 02:21:32 AM

pudding7: As an Eagle Scout, this makes me sad.


Ditto
 
2012-07-18 02:24:34 AM
It's reassuring to hear that the scouts are maintaining their morally upright position. One of the most memorable things my scoutmaster told us was, "Remember, guys, the two most overrated things in the world are home cookin' and home fu@kin'"
 
2012-07-18 02:29:46 AM
I am an Eagle Scout (received almost 30 years ago), and share many of the sentiments posted by other Eagles here. It seems to me that the organization's homophobic position has cost it almost everything it once was. Membership is way down, and while I'm sure some scouts still do good work, on the whole it seems to have become little more than a reactionary outlet for parents in the Rush Limbaugh/Glenn Beck crowd.

It makes me sad. My father would drove my ignorant middle-class teenage ass 20 miles out of his way to work with an inner-city troop where I was the only white face in the building working with kids who were lucky to have two meals on the same day. It boggles the mind that an organization that so fully overcame racial biggotry would fall so carelessly and thoughtlessly to homophobia.
 
2012-07-18 02:30:15 AM
Well, I think it is time to begin a new tradition, with an all-inclusive group... the Nerd Scouts of America!
 
2012-07-18 02:31:00 AM
Also, there are too many Eagles in this thread. My Star rank shines just as bright, and from the same Mantel at my parents place, as my younger brothers Eagle, and OA, and three palms, that over acheaving bastard kid brother of mine.
/best friend I'll ever have
 
2012-07-18 02:54:39 AM

serial_crusher: What would be another good name for an alternative scouting organization without all the goofy rules?


How about, "Camp Fire USA"? Link
 
2012-07-18 03:05:44 AM
So lesbians are ok in girl scouts, but gays not allowed in boy scouts in the US? And you wonder why the rest of the world is laughing at you behind your back?
 
2012-07-18 03:09:42 AM

pciszek: serial_crusher: What would be another good name for an alternative scouting organization without all the goofy rules?

How about, "Camp Fire USA"? Link


I took a look at that link.
"up until age 21?"
 
2012-07-18 03:14:45 AM
Don't like their policy's? Start your own club. May I suggest "Science Scouts" or "Survival Scouts" something more inclusive. Private, religion based club, fark um, start your own.
 
2012-07-18 03:16:51 AM

TommyymmoT: pciszek: serial_crusher: What would be another good name for an alternative scouting organization without all the goofy rules?

How about, "Camp Fire USA"? Link

I took a look at that link.
"up until age 21?"


Yep, and the founders of Campfire Girls(before they added boys) were best friends with, and often the same people as the folks that started the BSA. Dan Beard for one. Campfire Girls were the Original sister org. to the BSA.
Julia Gordon Low modeled her Girl Scouts more closely to Lord Paden Powells scouts. ie. without the religious component etc.
 
2012-07-18 03:19:01 AM

sminkypinky: So lesbians are ok in girl scouts, but gays not allowed in boy scouts in the US? And you wonder why the rest of the world is laughing at you behind your back?


I don't believe these organizations share any affiliation. Except when the scouts get together work on their rutting merit badges.
 
2012-07-18 03:22:12 AM

Monongahela Misfit: TommyymmoT: pciszek: serial_crusher: What would be another good name for an alternative scouting organization without all the goofy rules?

How about, "Camp Fire USA"? Link

I took a look at that link.
"up until age 21?"

Yep, and the founders of Campfire Girls(before they added boys) were best friends with, and often the same people as the folks that started the BSA. Dan Beard for one. Campfire Girls were the Original sister org. to the BSA.
Julia Gordon Low modeled her Girl Scouts more closely to Lord Paden Powells scouts. ie. without the religious component etc.


Damn interwebs. I just read the wiki on Dan Beard, and I was wrong about the Indian guides. Dan had the Sons of Daniel Boone.
 
2012-07-18 03:23:05 AM

zymosan: Don't like their policy's? Start your own club. May I suggest "Science Scouts" or "Survival Scouts" something more inclusive. Private, religion based club, fark um, start your own.


"Private" except for all those federal dollars they receive.
 
2012-07-18 03:35:59 AM

buckler: The SCA did all that for me, and I still got to do deviant stuff. I could have done gay stuff, If I wanted.


As they say, If you can't get laid in the SCA, you can't get laid at all.

Boy Scouts know how to camp in a nylon pop-up tent and cook beanie-weenie on a fire.

SCAdians know how to camp in a 20x30 period pavilion with hot running water and cook a 5 course feast on a bank of propane stoves.
 
2012-07-18 03:47:53 AM

Maechyll: Interesting. Lots o' Eagles here on Fark.

/me too.


And me as well.
 
2012-07-18 03:56:51 AM

Wayne 985: zymosan: Don't like their policy's? Start your own club. May I suggest "Science Scouts" or "Survival Scouts" something more inclusive. Private, religion based club, fark um, start your own.

"Private" except for all those federal dollars they receive.


But it's ok to fund with Federal(our wages taken from us before we even get the check) funds going to a national education program whose directors would like to teach only those theorys that agree with their own faith or lack of it. Their own versions of history etc.
Is it too much to ask that theory be taught as just that? Theory is Not fact. Faith is not Fact. Aitheism is A Faith. Science is just the facts.
We also fund Planned Parenthood, where people who couldn't, or wouldn't use proven prevention methods, can end the life of a Human Fetus/Child.
So if we can spend our taxes on a national org bent on changing our national culture, can't we spend some of it on an org that tries to preserve what They perceive as our national culture? I realize I'm showing off my limited education, but just because You or I or anyone else has a disagreement on what our taxes fund, doesn't detract from the good things those funds do.
 
2012-07-18 03:59:44 AM

dinwv: Maechyll: Interesting. Lots o' Eagles here on Fark.

/me too.

And me as well.


There are also people on here that did that sh*t for real at that age, not just pretend.
Try to impress people that were fighting wars, not by their own choice, at that same age, with your stupid f*cking "eagle scout!" badge.

If you are 18 years old, and still in the Boy Scouts, please, kill yourself.
 
2012-07-18 04:06:07 AM

clyph: buckler: The SCA did all that for me, and I still got to do deviant stuff. I could have done gay stuff, If I wanted.

As they say, If you can't get laid in the SCA, you can't get laid at all.

Boy Scouts know how to camp in a nylon pop-up tent and cook beanie-weenie on a fire.

SCAdians know how to camp in a 20x30 period pavilion with hot running water and cook a 5 course feast on a bank of propane stoves.


It ain't camping if you wanthave to go home ever.
 
2012-07-18 04:09:01 AM

clyph: buckler: The SCA did all that for me, and I still got to do deviant stuff. I could have done gay stuff, If I wanted.

As they say, If you can't get laid in the SCA, you can't get laid at all.

Boy Scouts know how to camp in a nylon pop-up tent and cook beanie-weenie on a fire.

SCAdians know how to camp in a 20x30 period pavilion with hot running water and cook a 5 course feast on a bank of propane stoves.


Eww, food from cans is nasty. We called scouts like that, tenderfoot.
We often had a Salad, then Chicken L'Orange, followed with either a Fruit Cobbler, or if we were showing off, a Pineapple Upside Down Cake from a Duch Oven.
SCA is for literalist historians with often high Opinions, to match their Historicaly acurite Body Odor. :-p
/lots of friends in SCA
//don't trebuchet me bro
 
2012-07-18 04:14:39 AM

Monongahela Misfit: clyph: buckler: The SCA did all that for me, and I still got to do deviant stuff. I could have done gay stuff, If I wanted.

As they say, If you can't get laid in the SCA, you can't get laid at all.

Boy Scouts know how to camp in a nylon pop-up tent and cook beanie-weenie on a fire.

SCAdians know how to camp in a 20x30 period pavilion with hot running water and cook a 5 course feast on a bank of propane stoves.

Eww, food from cans is nasty. We called scouts like that, tenderfoot.
We often had a Salad, then Chicken L'Orange, followed with either a Fruit Cobbler, or if we were showing off, a Pineapple Upside Down Cake from a Duch Oven.
SCA is for literalist historians with often high Opinions, to match their Historicaly acurite Body Odor. :-p
/lots of friends in SCA
//don't trebuchet me bro


What did you use for eye makeup?
Yeah, berries probably suffice for rouge, but beyond that, you're on your own.
 
2012-07-18 04:17:31 AM

TommyymmoT: dinwv: Maechyll: Interesting. Lots o' Eagles here on Fark.

/me too.

And me as well.

There are also people on here that did that sh*t for real at that age, not just pretend.
Try to impress people that were fighting wars, not by their own choice, at that same age, with your stupid f*cking "eagle scout!" badge.

If you are 18 years old, and still in the Boy Scouts, please, kill yourself.


Sorry, but when the Dr. at MEPS says You don't get to be Marine, or anything else in That Man's Military because of what he calls a congenital defect. Nothing I could say would change that. Most of my Scouting Crew went in for Volunteer Duty with a Smile, and a sense of purpose.
And Thanks for Your Contribution, whatever it was. Don't cry about it. I don't.
 
2012-07-18 04:24:41 AM
What is there to say? Bigots will be bigots, after all.
 
2012-07-18 04:24:58 AM

Monongahela Misfit: TommyymmoT: dinwv: Maechyll: Interesting. Lots o' Eagles here on Fark.

/me too.

And me as well.

There are also people on here that did that sh*t for real at that age, not just pretend.
Try to impress people that were fighting wars, not by their own choice, at that same age, with your stupid f*cking "eagle scout!" badge.

If you are 18 years old, and still in the Boy Scouts, please, kill yourself.

Sorry, but when the Dr. at MEPS says You don't get to be Marine, or anything else in That Man's Military because of what he calls a congenital defect. Nothing I could say would change that. Most of my Scouting Crew went in for Volunteer Duty with a Smile, and a sense of purpose.
And Thanks for Your Contribution, whatever it was. Don't cry about it. I don't.


My apologies.
It's very hard to detect a hermaphrodite, or someone with a boil on their ass that would exempt them, like Rush Limbaugh, online.

"Volunteer duty"? What was that exactly, a bake sale? Car wash?
 
2012-07-18 04:26:34 AM

TommyymmoT: Monongahela Misfit: clyph: buckler: The SCA did all that for me, and I still got to do deviant stuff. I could have done gay stuff, If I wanted.

As they say, If you can't get laid in the SCA, you can't get laid at all.

Boy Scouts know how to camp in a nylon pop-up tent and cook beanie-weenie on a fire.

SCAdians know how to camp in a 20x30 period pavilion with hot running water and cook a 5 course feast on a bank of propane stoves.

Eww, food from cans is nasty. We called scouts like that, tenderfoot.
We often had a Salad, then Chicken L'Orange, followed with either a Fruit Cobbler, or if we were showing off, a Pineapple Upside Down Cake from a Duch Oven.
SCA is for literalist historians with often high Opinions, to match their Historicaly acurite Body Odor. :-p
/lots of friends in SCA
//don't trebuchet me bro

What did you use for eye makeup?
Yeah, berries probably suffice for rouge, but beyond that, you're on your own.


For rouge I liked the Poison Sumacc myself. Some of the guys would try the ivy, but it was hard to get it to stay just on the cheeks and lips.
Fresh Bird crap works good for the Eyes, and Beetle wings glued to Fingernails works almost as good as polish.
 
2012-07-18 04:30:55 AM

Monongahela Misfit: TommyymmoT: Monongahela Misfit: clyph: buckler: The SCA did all that for me, and I still got to do deviant stuff. I could have done gay stuff, If I wanted.

As they say, If you can't get laid in the SCA, you can't get laid at all.

Boy Scouts know how to camp in a nylon pop-up tent and cook beanie-weenie on a fire.

SCAdians know how to camp in a 20x30 period pavilion with hot running water and cook a 5 course feast on a bank of propane stoves.

Eww, food from cans is nasty. We called scouts like that, tenderfoot.
We often had a Salad, then Chicken L'Orange, followed with either a Fruit Cobbler, or if we were showing off, a Pineapple Upside Down Cake from a Duch Oven.
SCA is for literalist historians with often high Opinions, to match their Historicaly acurite Body Odor. :-p
/lots of friends in SCA
//don't trebuchet me bro

What did you use for eye makeup?
Yeah, berries probably suffice for rouge, but beyond that, you're on your own.

For rouge I liked the Poison Sumacc myself. Some of the guys would try the ivy, but it was hard to get it to stay just on the cheeks and lips.
Fresh Bird crap works good for the Eyes, and Beetle wings glued to Fingernails works almost as good as polish.


So I guess it really is true.
Poison ivy applied to the anus, and penis, is what gives you guys the "stamina" to hang out in the woods together for that long.
 
2012-07-18 04:32:31 AM
Thrifty?

lol
 
2012-07-18 04:34:13 AM

TommyymmoT: Monongahela Misfit: TommyymmoT: dinwv: Maechyll: Interesting. Lots o' Eagles here on Fark.

/me too.

And me as well.

There are also people on here that did that sh*t for real at that age, not just pretend.
Try to impress people that were fighting wars, not by their own choice, at that same age, with your stupid f*cking "eagle scout!" badge.

If you are 18 years old, and still in the Boy Scouts, please, kill yourself.

Sorry, but when the Dr. at MEPS says You don't get to be Marine, or anything else in That Man's Military because of what he calls a congenital defect. Nothing I could say would change that. Most of my Scouting Crew went in for Volunteer Duty with a Smile, and a sense of purpose.
And Thanks for Your Contribution, whatever it was. Don't cry about it. I don't.

My apologies.
It's very hard to detect a hermaphrodite, or someone with a boil on their ass that would exempt them, like Rush Limbaugh, online.

"Volunteer duty"? What was that exactly, a bake sale? Car wash?


Navy Reactor Tech, Army Demo squad, MRAP Driver, etc. I Was headed for USMC till my Lumbar Vert got me sidelined at MEPS.

Rush couldn't keep up with me even if he untied the other half of his minuscule drug addled brain.

I don't apologize for anyone except to say, I'm far from perfect, and so are they.
 
2012-07-18 04:34:32 AM
thisiszombocom: why hasnt a boy/girl sued to join the girl/boy scouts anyways? seems like the sort of thing people would do

WhyteRaven74: Interestingly, a transgendered boy girl recently joined the girl scouts. The reaction from the troop? There wasn't one. Though a few troops in a completely different state had complete hissy fits.


ftfy.

I am disappoint.
 
2012-07-18 04:40:31 AM

libranoelrose: Thrifty?

lol


No, imagination. :-/
The one "gay" kid decided he liked Girls when a Colorguard girl persuaded him in tenth grade, and the Scoutmasters younger Son and his Partner were still together last I knew.
 
2012-07-18 04:41:56 AM

Monongahela Misfit: TommyymmoT: Monongahela Misfit: TommyymmoT: dinwv: Maechyll: Interesting. Lots o' Eagles here on Fark.

/me too.

And me as well.

There are also people on here that did that sh*t for real at that age, not just pretend.
Try to impress people that were fighting wars, not by their own choice, at that same age, with your stupid f*cking "eagle scout!" badge.

If you are 18 years old, and still in the Boy Scouts, please, kill yourself.

Sorry, but when the Dr. at MEPS says You don't get to be Marine, or anything else in That Man's Military because of what he calls a congenital defect. Nothing I could say would change that. Most of my Scouting Crew went in for Volunteer Duty with a Smile, and a sense of purpose.
And Thanks for Your Contribution, whatever it was. Don't cry about it. I don't.

My apologies.
It's very hard to detect a hermaphrodite, or someone with a boil on their ass that would exempt them, like Rush Limbaugh, online.

"Volunteer duty"? What was that exactly, a bake sale? Car wash?

Navy Reactor Tech, Army Demo squad, MRAP Driver, etc. I Was headed for USMC till my Lumbar Vert got me sidelined at MEPS.

Rush couldn't keep up with me even if he untied the other half of his minuscule drug addled brain.

I don't apologize for anyone except to say, I'm far from perfect, and so are they.


Hey, sounds reasonable.
It's pretty much common knowledge that the military recruits unskilled teenagers to run it's nuclear reactors, and work on demolition squads.
Silly me, I should have known that.
 
2012-07-18 04:49:48 AM
Well, I would love to continue playing verbal volleyball, but I have to be at the gym in 40 minutes.
Seriously. I have to go replace a mic cable at a gym, and I promised that it would be done as soon as they opened.
I got the call very late last night.
Brutal money for 3 minutes of my time.
 
2012-07-18 04:55:21 AM

fickle floridian: It boggles the mind that an organization that so fully overcame racial bigotry would fall so carelessly and thoughtlessly to homophobia.


The founder of the Westboro Baptist Church, Fred Phelps, was a civil rights lawyer. I don't get it, either. Maybe a lack of introspection?
 
2012-07-18 05:00:05 AM

TommyymmoT: Monongahela Misfit: TommyymmoT: Monongahela Misfit: TommyymmoT: dinwv: Maechyll: Interesting. Lots o' Eagles here on Fark.

/me too.

And me as well.

There are also people on here that did that sh*t for real at that age, not just pretend.
Try to impress people that were fighting wars, not by their own choice, at that same age, with your stupid f*cking "eagle scout!" badge.

If you are 18 years old, and still in the Boy Scouts, please, kill yourself.

Sorry, but when the Dr. at MEPS says You don't get to be Marine, or anything else in That Man's Military because of what he calls a congenital defect. Nothing I could say would change that. Most of my Scouting Crew went in for Volunteer Duty with a Smile, and a sense of purpose.
And Thanks for Your Contribution, whatever it was. Don't cry about it. I don't.

My apologies.
It's very hard to detect a hermaphrodite, or someone with a boil on their ass that would exempt them, like Rush Limbaugh, online.

"Volunteer duty"? What was that exactly, a bake sale? Car wash?

Navy Reactor Tech, Army Demo squad, MRAP Driver, etc. I Was headed for USMC till my Lumbar Vert got me sidelined at MEPS.

Rush couldn't keep up with me even if he untied the other half of his minuscule drug addled brain.

I don't apologize for anyone except to say, I'm far from perfect, and so are they.

Hey, sounds reasonable.
It's pretty much common knowledge that the military recruits unskilled teenagers to run it's nuclear reactors, and work on demolition squads.
Silly me, I should have known that.


Yeah, sums them up good. And I just putt around the country that You all went and defended against your will in my little freightshakin rig, hauling your motor oil, and coolant, and recycled office paper, and catalogues, sugar, flour, Fracking Fluid, sterile Medical Lab supplies, etc all over everywhere. In rain, sleet, snow, construction, rush hour traffic, ice, high wind etc. I don't get to sleep at home every night. I camp out like I did in scouts. With only what I can fit into this cab. Sure beats working for a living, or life in a soul sucking cubicle farm. No TPS reports for me.
 
2012-07-18 05:01:10 AM

OtherLittleGuy: The derp for the local TV news blog is strong.

One yahoo is cheering that it's keeping the perverts out from molesting little boys, but someone else pointed out that Sandusky ("a STRAIGHT MAN") was molesting little boys for decades and protected by others.


How can you say Sandusky is straight but is attracted to boys? I'm not saying all gays are pedos but I don't understand how gays can see these pedos aren't gay. Same for the priests. When a male has sexual contact with another male that's a homosexual act, plain and simple. I'm not saying its only a problem in the gay community but I wish you'd own up to your own problems like the rest of us do. Damn you guys are worse than the Catholic church when it comes to redirecting the blame.
 
2012-07-18 05:03:17 AM

sminkypinky: So lesbians are ok in girl scouts, but gays not allowed in boy scouts in the US? And you wonder why the rest of the world is laughing at you behind your back?


Girls Scouts and Boy Scouts have very different sociopolitical outlooks.
 
2012-07-18 05:04:44 AM

TommyymmoT: Well, I would love to continue playing verbal volleyball, but I have to be at the gym in 40 minutes.
Seriously. I have to go replace a mic cable at a gym, and I promised that it would be done as soon as they opened.
I got the call very late last night.
Brutal money for 3 minutes of my time.


Have fun with that. You could always fray the ground a bit, so it bites them a little till they call You back in.
 
2012-07-18 05:07:08 AM

ciberido: sminkypinky: So lesbians are ok in girl scouts, but gays not allowed in boy scouts in the US? And you wonder why the rest of the world is laughing at you behind your back?

Girls Scouts and Boy Scouts have very different sociopolitical outlooks.


Comes with the very different genitals.
 
2012-07-18 05:11:57 AM

alywa: You know what libs? Sometimes I just don't get this country.

On one hand you have everyone getting their pantys in a wad over gays over at Penn State molesting kids. "Boo Hoo, they should have done something about that big bad Sanduskie guy..." yet on the other hand when an organization tries to take a stand against pedifiles you cry that they are being excluded.

Some facts (I know libs don't like them, but tough cheese loosers)

1. The Boy Scouts are founded on the beliefs of God and Country. There is no place in the eyes of either for degenerates.

2. Why would sexually confused young men want to hang out with a God fearing group like the scouts. Camping, being with your fellow men alone in the woods, long girl-free summer camps, sharp uniforms, songs, handicrafts? Go watch glee or something, and leave Scouting to the real men.

3. Scouts are a private organization. They never use community centers, public spaces, parks, etc, so your namby pamby laws about "oh lets hold hands and poop rainbows and sing KumByA" don't apply here.

Suck it libs. Suck it long and hard. Just don't go trying to gay up the Scouts.

Keep the 12 points alive and well, America!!!

[i35.photobucket.com image 250x320]


Now set that hook boy, and reel em in!
 
2012-07-18 05:21:11 AM

pudding7: As an Eagle Scout, this makes me sad.


I wasn't an Eagle, nut I left scouting when I aged out. I have a son in Cub Scouts. Between my time and his the organization was taken over by complete idiots. This has made me sad for several years.
 
2012-07-18 05:29:21 AM
Something I've wondered about for a long time is why should group A be allowed to discriminate against group B merely because they think they are right in doing so even when it can be easily proven that they are wrong in doing so? To put that another way, why does society consider someone thinking they're right to be so important, even if it can be easily proven that they're wrong and even if it's obvious that they're denying they're wrong?
 
2012-07-18 05:38:47 AM

alywa: You know what libs? Sometimes I just don't get this country.

On one hand you have everyone getting their pantys in a wad over gays over at Penn State molesting kids. "Boo Hoo, they should have done something about that big bad Sanduskie guy..." yet on the other hand when an organization tries to take a stand against pedifiles you cry that they are being excluded.

Some facts (I know libs don't like them, but tough cheese loosers)

1. The Boy Scouts are founded on the beliefs of God and Country. There is no place in the eyes of either for degenerates.

2. Why would sexually confused young men want to hang out with a God fearing group like the scouts. Camping, being with your fellow men alone in the woods, long girl-free summer camps, sharp uniforms, songs, handicrafts? Go watch glee or something, and leave Scouting to the real men.

3. Scouts are a private organization. They never use community centers, public spaces, parks, etc, so your namby pamby laws about "oh lets hold hands and poop rainbows and sing KumByA" don't apply here.

Suck it libs. Suck it long and hard. Just don't go trying to gay up the Scouts.

Keep the 12 points alive and well, America!!!


Excellent.
 
2012-07-18 05:44:12 AM

Monongahela Misfit: Also, there are too many Eagles in this thread. My Star rank shines just as bright, and from the same Mantel at my parents place, as my younger brothers Eagle, and OA, and three palms, that over acheaving bastard kid brother of mine.
/best friend I'll ever have


Star rank here as well. I remember catching a lot of flack from the kids that weren't in the scouts. But I have some of the fondest memories from them. And I learned some useful stuff to, such as how to plug a sucking chest wound with the cellophane from a pack of smokes from a viet nam vet at one summer camp. Good times.
 
2012-07-18 05:59:46 AM
25.media.tumblr.com

"... No homo."
 
2012-07-18 06:27:46 AM
If they want to distinguish themselves as homo so much, then the Boy Scouts would have to change their name to the "Let's put our dicks in shiat" scouts before anyone was satisfied. I'm pretty sure putting your dick in shiat is aberrant, but the libs love normalizing disgusting perverted behavior.
 
2012-07-18 07:17:12 AM
bow: Good luck trying to keep us out.

Well, I'll just keep my ass against the nearest brick wall and wear a Hannibal Lecter mask, than!!
 
2012-07-18 07:20:29 AM

Confabulat: I never understood the whole Webelos thing. When I was a Cub Scout, I got the idea of the Tiger, Wolf and Bear badges easy enough, sure, that's logical. And then maybe one day you'll be a Boy Scout and if God is willing and you do your damnest, one day maybe you can achieve the exalted position of Eagle Scout and all the USA will forever congratulate you.

That all makes sense when you are 9. But then there is Webelos. WTF is Webelos? Why do I have to interrupt my serious Cub Scout - to - Boy Scout career by spending a year in some weirdo culty sounding thing?


Tigers are dominated by parents (usually moms) --the parents should be staying and participating in the meetings. Heavily parent led.
Wolves should have parents that are still at meetings, but less hands on. Den leader leading.
Bears, again, should have parents in meetings or close by, but with very little participation.
During these three years, parents must attend any campouts or activities with their scouts.

Webelos are when the parents can stop attending the meetings, and limit participation to the family campouts. The boys should be transitioning (hence the 18 months or so) from relying on mom and dad and den leader to do things for and with them--into being boy led and directed, with just oversight by an adult. They wear the Boys scout uniform; parents do not have to camp with the Webelos, unless at a Pack campout (dens can camp by themselves). (At least, this is how we run things in our Pack; YMMV.)

Boy Scouts should be led by the older scouts, and only have the adults there to make sure nothing bad happens. Parents should not be involved in running events/meetings, unless they are there as a special guest--i.e. an engineer or graphic artist coming in to talk to the boys about these areas.

And for you slower Farkers, there is a difference between being gay and being a pedo. Wanting to fark an 18 year old guy is ok; wanting to fark a 9 year old boy is not. (Can also use this for reference with girls, btw)


/Master Jedana is a den leader--Bear this year--for our son's pack.
/I am Committee Chair for the pack
//Pack based in a church but it's not required to be a member of the church to join (unlike most LDS packs)
///don't care who you fark, as long as it's consensual and an adult.
 
2012-07-18 07:23:13 AM
I do not understand this idea that by allowing gays you take away a families right to decide for themselves how to handle sexual preference issues. I know plenty of gay people. They are no different than straights. They date, some have sex, they go to the movies, etc. Big deal. Ive known plenty of straights who had to talk a bout the ppl they farked and nobody raises an eyebrow. But a gay guy talking about his boyfriend taking him to see a movie and its OMGZ thats wrong!

A guy who likes dick is no different than how one guy like fat chicks, another likes to be tied up and another prefers his women submissive. It aint got shiat to do with you so get over it.
 
2012-07-18 07:25:27 AM
geez looks like there are more Eagle Scouts than University of Phoenix MBAs
 
2012-07-18 07:42:38 AM
Funny. My scout leader was the first gay person I ever knew, though I didn't know it at the time.
 
2012-07-18 07:43:09 AM
When I became a scout in Junior High - I think you call it "Middle School" or some such twaddle now, we were boys. Not black boys, or oriental boys, or white boys, although I think in East Richmond Heights, most of us were white. In 7th grade we were just entering puberty - our sexual identity hadn't been determined yet. At that age, we hadn't considered which path we'd choose, or if we were to stay in the middle, if you get my drift. And, it's only been in this last generation that teenage sexuality is no longer taboo, that it's out in the open, that everybody does it, and it's all ok!

No, It's not, and it's all because we as parents don't give a DAMN about how our kids grow up. Morality's been tossed out like yesterday's potato skins because it's inconvenient. Instead of attempting to teach our children right from wrong at home and at school, we teach them how to subvert the system, that cheating is normal, to be expected, and that, hell, even our heroes & athletes do it.

The fact that there's still a faction out there that stands up to morality should be applauded, not laughed at and condemned for being out of step with the times.
 
2012-07-18 07:44:26 AM
My parents made me join the Boy Scouts when I was a kid. I doubt they would have sent me on all those camping trips and such if they thought there was a chance my 12-year-old self would be sharing a tent with a 16-year-old openly gay kid. While I hope the gay community gets marriage equality and all that, that's just reality.
 
2012-07-18 07:45:40 AM
Just start a Gay Scouts association. What could be more natural? Instead of worshiping some fictional negligent absentee father, you can worship teh buttsecks. And think of the pretty (and contextual) badges you can earn! You've got BET for the blacks, the ABBA fan club for the Mexicans, and the Subaru Owner's Association for the lesbians.
 
2012-07-18 07:48:07 AM

Confabulat: Bear



You couldn't go out and seduce one chubby, hairy, gay man? And the scouts say they don't want anything gay..


/Canteen Boy..
 
2012-07-18 07:49:41 AM
alywa: You know what libs? Sometimes I just don't get this country.

On one hand you have everyone getting their pantys in a wad over gays over at Penn State molesting kids. "Boo Hoo, they should have done something about that big bad Sanduskie guy..." yet on the other hand when an organization tries to take a stand against pedifiles you cry that they are being excluded.

Some facts (I know libs don't like them, but tough cheese loosers)

1. The Boy Scouts are founded on the beliefs of God and Country. There is no place in the eyes of either for degenerates.

2. Why would sexually confused young men want to hang out with a God fearing group like the scouts. Camping, being with your fellow men alone in the woods, long girl-free summer camps, sharp uniforms, songs, handicrafts? Go watch glee or something, and leave Scouting to the real men.

3. Scouts are a private organization. They never use community centers, public spaces, parks, etc, so your namby pamby laws about "oh lets hold hands and poop rainbows and sing KumByA" don't apply here.

Suck it libs. Suck it long and hard. Just don't go trying to gay up the Scouts.

Keep the 12 points alive and well, America!!!

[i35.photobucket.com image 250x320]


It's....BEAUTIFUL. Now this. This is trolling
 
2012-07-18 07:59:57 AM

awshat: . And, it's only been in this last generation that teenage sexuality is no longer taboo, that it's out in the open, that everybody does it, and it's all ok!


This is the dumbest thing I'll ever read today.

When I was a teen about 30 years ago, teen sex was ALL my elders wanted to talk about. Teen sex was the hottest topic of the day. Teen sex was ALL I heard about.

Oh, and maybe you should watch some movies from the 1970s, 40 years ago. There's a hell of a lot more open and free teen sex in those movies that are today's kids' GRANDPARENTS' era than you'll see in a multiplex today.

If anything, teen sex is a lot more sane in modern culture than it was back in my day.
 
2012-07-18 08:06:09 AM
The policy of the BSA is basically the same policy that the military followed up until less than a year ago (September 20, 2011), don't ask, don't tell. The BSA doesn't ask your sexual preference and as long as you don't tell them you should be fine. It sucks that the Mormon church owns the national organization but it's really not that surprising that they would be a little more conservative than the federal government. And it seems to me that the boy scouts get a lot more grief than the military ever did.

Some day things will change. In the mean time I am proud that a kid from our troop learned enough first aid to save the life of a kid who had his leg nearly severed in a bad accident. I am glad that our troop emphasizes first aid as much as it does.
 
2012-07-18 08:14:01 AM
so basically I can prance around and be gay
just as long as I don't rape any men
 
xcv
2012-07-18 08:14:06 AM

Gulper Eel: thrifty

My ass, thrifty. All the uniforms and that other crapola is expensive and it sure as shiat doesn't ever go on sale. If my local scouting chapter starts hard-selling the Jesus, that's as good an excuse as I need to have my son pick some other activity. If I want a time-suck spiritual lecture eating my weekend, I'll go to church.


The ban is a shame, they could have challenged the girl scouts for best cookies and brought in a ton of funding for their chapters while teaching the kids an actual Christ-like lesson in tolerance.
 
2012-07-18 08:15:21 AM

some_beer_drinker: doglover: Let's look at it with our Conservative glasses: Some boys or men want to join the girl scouts. What do you? Stop them, obviously, to prevent a scene.

Basically, for the BSA, they're a super conservative institution willing to take a little egg on the face from GLAD to avoid taking something else on the face in a scandal should one erupt.

It almost makes sense. Except all the best cats I know who are gay joined up anyway. So, much like don't ask don't tell, it's a porous barrier that's nothing but a lot of hooey to fool doddering old hate mongers too far gone to remember how real life works, but not yet gone enough to keep funding an organization that lets them homersexuals in with their "good Christian boys"

Sad really.

you'll get over it. it was only a few scant years ago that a certain government stopped classifying the gay as a mental illness that needed curing. im sure in a few years all the homos can be as gay as they want and no one will give a shiat. i sure don't.


While crudely put, that. When I was a Scout I was more worried about the jackass in charge of the Troop who used our camping trips as an excuse to lapse back into violent alcoholism than the queer who actually taught us shiat and would argue with the drunk in charge constantly. Gay =/= pedophile. That old queen taught me how to clean rabbit, set a bone, and manage myself while violently ill on a hiking trip in Arizona(ended up taking a helicopter out, said drunk's oldest son managed to convince him the kid with the shakes so bad he could barely eat, who was puking every twenty feet and falling over under his pack wasn't going to be able to hike twenty miles out in 100+ weather) the guy actually in charge just taught me how to NOT hide a horrendous drinking habit. The other kids taught me such valuable lessons as how to find a spot to smoke meth outdoors.

Homosexuals are the least of the problems with that organization, blatant drug use by the kids(it sure as fark wasn't just my troop, it was rampant at the summer camps and made me a good load of cash although I didn't even smoke pot until years after I was out) and the drunk jackasses in charge on the other hand... I learned quite a bit during my stint(mom was too busy jockeying for position on the troop's council to notice any of this bullshiat while I was begging to quit), and I'm not sorry I did it, but holy hell, it was pretty bad.

On the other hand, I'm a damn good emergency medic thanks to my training there, and I've saved lives thanks to that training since, and developed a set of ethics that won't let me ignore an injured person, I feel obligated to help out anytime I'm around someone who's been hurt, so I guess it wasn't all just a dangerous waste of time. I kept up on my first aid training, and I'm seriously considering taking the classes to work as an EMT thanks to my experiences there, I'm getting really tired of working concrete and asphalt and I can't find a permanent position doing HVAC or electrical work, or any other technical profession I'm good at.

There's a lot of potential there though, I learned my first bits of programming and electronic engineering as a Scout, but I got so sick of all the jerkoff drunk "leadership" and jackasses who used our trips as an excuse to take drugs I quit long before I managed Eagle Scout. To be honest, the old queen(his descriptor, not mine, once we interacted outside of the Scouts) I mentioned above is the only person who was in a leadership position that I'm still friendly with when I run into, I've gone hunting and fishing with him quite a few times since I quit and he's gotten me into a few classes and seminars on first aid and emergency medicine I couldn't have taken otherwise, even covered the cost for me when I was broke, and I'm generally a better person for having made his acquaintance. He still works with them too, for some damn reason.

I still think it's funny that the only person I have contact with from the BSA anymore is a sixty five year old homosexual, he's a good guy and just genuinely believes in an organization that would ostracize him in half a second if they could put two and two together. I can't really disagree either, there's more than one person running around who's alive because of my training.

/slept with his daughter and we parted amiably actually. Only female friend I still have.
//seriously BSA, the least of your problems is gays, but keep pointing fingers.
///guess it's easier than just getting rid of the drunk pieces of shiat you let lead us into the wilderness.
 
2012-07-18 08:17:57 AM

JonnyBlack: beer


i became a fireman. wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooo! !
 
2012-07-18 08:18:40 AM
When does a Cubscout earn the right to become a Boyscout?
When he eats his first Brownie.
 
2012-07-18 08:19:00 AM
This is a real shame. The scouts do a lot of good and I cant understand why they continue to be so close minded.
 
2012-07-18 08:21:10 AM

HAMMERTOE: Just start a Gay Scouts association. What could be more natural? Instead of worshiping some fictional negligent absentee father, you can worship teh buttsecks. And think of the pretty (and contextual) badges you can earn! You've got BET for the blacks, the ABBA fan club for the Mexicans, and the Subaru Owner's Association for the lesbians.


Oh I get because stereotypes!!!111

OH EL OH EL you are too funny, omg you're the next Dane Cook.
 
2012-07-18 08:25:09 AM
and with that, I will make sure to not donate to any boyscout cause and give them the reason why whenever they ask.
 
2012-07-18 08:26:07 AM
Why is the American version of the Scouts so crackpot insane? The original British version is gay every three-ways from Sunday.
 
2012-07-18 08:32:31 AM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: So what if the Mormons bolt the Scouts? It seems like Scouts would want to preserve their organization for real, normal Christians anyway, not some Stepford cult that cooked The Books to have an "American" version.


Yeah, Christian dogma is so much more plausible...
 
2012-07-18 08:39:47 AM

Sid_6.7: To be honest, I'm an Eagle Scout (and OA) and an atheist, which puts me at odds with the BSA as much as homosexuality. Anyway, this is how I try to view the issue: I think GWB was a terrible president, but that doesn't mean that I decided that the US was a terrible country incapable of doing good (and neither did I disagree with everything Bush did). In a similar vein, I find it disgraceful that the BSA continues to take this stance, but at the same time, I know for a fact that there is value to be had in Scouting, and that it should not be wholly condemned for the myopic views of a few people at the top.


This

/same boat
 
2012-07-18 08:46:11 AM
This was one of the reasons I took my oldest son out of scouts. The other was the ever-increasing emphasis on religion as he progressed year-to-year.

fark the BSA
 
2012-07-18 08:59:11 AM
Can't we just let some innocent young kids enjoy scouting and other normal childhood activities before we expose them to buttsex?
 
2012-07-18 09:04:54 AM
JonnyBlack: On the other hand, I'm a damn good emergency medic thanks to my training there, and I've saved lives thanks to that training since, and developed a set of ethics that won't let me ignore an injured person, I feel obligated to help out anytime I'm around someone who's been hurt, so I guess it wasn't all just a dangerous waste of time. I kept up on my first aid training, and I'm seriously considering taking the classes to work as an EMT thanks to my experiences there, I'm getting really tired of working concrete and asphalt and I can't find a permanent position doing HVAC or electrical work, or any other technical profession I'm good at.

I was like that to, until I took a lawsuit to the knee.
 
2012-07-18 09:04:56 AM

JonnyBlack: When I was a Scout I was more worried about the jackass in charge of the Troop who used our camping trips as an excuse to lapse back into violent alcoholism


My parents pulled me from BSA when we got a new scoutmaster who was an alcoholic. Guy before him was no prize either, his son got multiple merit badges in Favoritism.
 
2012-07-18 09:06:16 AM
I remember when I was in Cub Scouts one of the requirements for all the badges was some stupid religious nonsense part. I was an atheist even when I was a kid so those parts really annoyed me but then I realized I could just check them off and who would know the difference anyway.

It is a strategy that adult politicians use to this day.
 
2012-07-18 09:22:29 AM

FriarReb98: doglover: some_beer_drinker: the homos can be as gay as they want and no one will give a shiat.

Assuming anyone does now.

I think most things in society are always last changed officially. Hence the phrase "The writing's on the wall." The lowest common denomenator is always the first to accept things while officials relent only when all hope of procrastination is loss.

The problem with being gay in the minds of those who believe scripture is infallible is that, ignoring the fact that scripture has almost as many plot holes in it as it does chapters, they think that gayness is wrong. Then, when it gets rewarded by recognition and celebration, it causes all sorts of crises of faith and dogma, which is anxiety-laden at least and downright saddening and sickening at worst. These people, while moronic, are fighting for their happiness, which, when you look at it that way, you can't blame them for. Just like you can't blame gays for wanting to be happy with their lives.

With the lessening of faith in the world, eventually this too shall pass. As for the BSA, eventually it'll get to the point that they'll have to go 100% private or give it up.


Methinks it has less to do with scripture and more to do with trying to avoid a scandal.

Ive decided i should have been born a female lesbian not a man. Can I join the girl scouts now?
 
2012-07-18 09:25:11 AM
Dont like it? Start you own scout groups for gays, problem solved.
 
2012-07-18 09:27:08 AM

alywa: You know what libs? Sometimes I just don't get this country.

On one hand you have everyone getting their pantys in a wad over gays over at Penn State molesting kids. "Boo Hoo, they should have done something about that big bad Sanduskie guy..." yet on the other hand when an organization tries to take a stand against pedifiles you cry that they are being excluded.

Some facts (I know libs don't like them, but tough cheese loosers)

1. The Boy Scouts are founded on the beliefs of God and Country. There is no place in the eyes of either for degenerates.

2. Why would sexually confused young men want to hang out with a God fearing group like the scouts. Camping, being with your fellow men alone in the woods, long girl-free summer camps, sharp uniforms, songs, handicrafts? Go watch glee or something, and leave Scouting to the real men.

3. Scouts are a private organization. They never use community centers, public spaces, parks, etc, so your namby pamby laws about "oh lets hold hands and poop rainbows and sing KumByA" don't apply here.

Suck it libs. Suck it long and hard. Just don't go trying to gay up the Scouts.

Keep the 12 points alive and well, America!!!

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AWESOME...Just awesome!!!!!
 
2012-07-18 09:30:22 AM
It has been my personal experience with the Scouts that they are getting some great results from the boys they have. When I had to choose new employees for my company, it was an automatic hire if someone put that they had been in the Boy Scouts on their resume. Only twice didn't it work out, out of about 60 or so. When I get the youth groups to help on the charity events that I run for the church, the Boy Scouts are on the top of the list--better than the IB program (the brainiac kids), the religious ed kids and way better than the kids from the local sports teams. Our little town is dotted with local Boy Scout Eagle projects--nothing big deal-- but here a wheel chair ramp, there a walkway through the grass at a public park and over there a fence for the local cemetery.

Whatever this organization is doing to get such results, they are doing it very well.

I know a whole lot of people who are politically correct in the extreme--the great majority of them are complete assh*les who wouldn't urinate upon you if you were afire but would be the first to sue you for the second hand smoke if you were. They are almost all folks who are very good at demanding things and causing problems but when you are attempting to run a project or produce something these are all negatives. I sympathize with the gays in their struggle for political equality, but this is an organization that is very decidedly NOT BROKEN. I don't reckon that allowing a bunch of politically correct assh*les to dictate to them how to run their business is going to improve upon it. Here's hoping that they don't.
 
2012-07-18 09:30:25 AM

Raoul Eaton: serial_crusher: FriarReb98: some_beer_drinker: bdub77: Because clearly going camping with a bunch of dudes is an entirely heterosexual experience.

hey now! it's traditional. i was a scout for 10 years, i never ever saw anything gay. we learned how to start fires, and build things, and live outside. that's useful in canada, or after the bank has taken your house.

We were more the "make huge farking fires and act like pricks in the woods" types, actually. Or you could be like me: by the last summer I went to Cachalot Scout Reservation, I won the top shot award for .22 rifle shooting. Still have the award & my NRA Sharpshooter medallion.

That's the way to do it. My troop started off like that, but by my last couple of years we got a bunch of new nanny-leaders who eliminated all the fun (aka marginally dangerous) stuff and turned the troop into a merit badge factory. Those kind of leaders are infinitely more of a threat than the gheys.

Yeah, I can't see how it's fun without the hazard. My troop had us clear a woodlot once, and the rule was that scouts younger than 8th grade weren't allowed to use the chain saws. No adults in sight when my patrol was in action cutting down sizable hardwood trees.

//lucky to be alive
/but it WAS fun


That did just trigger a memory that most of our troubles started when one of the newbies hit himself in the shin with an axe. Chicken and egg problem though. His carelessness with the axe could have been the result of having a walking vagina for a father, or his father could have turned into said vagina after the axe incident.
 
2012-07-18 09:30:41 AM

pciszek: serial_crusher: What would be another good name for an alternative scouting organization without all the goofy rules?

How about, "Camp Fire USA"? Link


Got mt Eagle and quit and Joined Camp FIre.
Best decision ever.
 
2012-07-18 09:33:02 AM

Joe Blowme: Dont like it? Start you own scout groups for gays, problem solved.



Them blacks and Jews should get one too.
 
2012-07-18 09:34:38 AM

vudukungfu: pciszek: serial_crusher: What would be another good name for an alternative scouting organization without all the goofy rules?

How about, "Camp Fire USA"? Link

Got mt Eagle and quit and Joined Camp FIre.
Best decision ever.


what do camp fire members call themselves? Camp Fire Girls seems OK, but Camp Fire Boys sounds a little gay. nttawwt, but from a marketing perspective it might scare off the scouts who are upset with the BSA not liking gays, but aren't quite willing to become one themselves.
 
2012-07-18 09:35:14 AM

Bungles: Joe Blowme: Dont like it? Start you own scout groups for gays, problem solved.


Them blacks and Jews should get one too.


And them Christians should segregate themselves off too. Because everyone knows Christians are better than regular people. They have Jesus in their heart and he makes the ugly stuff good.
 
2012-07-18 09:40:25 AM
Did not read any of the thread, but here's my take as someone who is actually VERY involved in the organization at many levels (not regionally or nationally, but I know people on those levels who have shared their insights):

1. Like all politics is local, so is Scouting. Unofficially, there is DADT at the unit and council level. I know gay adult leaders. If you want to bash the organization at the top, fine, but generalizing Scouting as bad is just as silly as bashing Americans for the actions of the U.S. government.

2. Like anywhere, the people's opinions change faster than the institutions that govern them. So, if we want change, we need to get the right people at the top OR have the right-minded people walk away. Most people I know in Scouting are still on the fence about their participation but will probably NOT walk since they are heavily involved and see it as a 90/10 issue - why walk when your organization does things 90% well and 10% poorly (i.e., the good heavily outweighs the bad). But again, I question if progress can be made without walking away.

3. But that leads into recruitment. Walking away might not be necessary if recruitment numbers continue to slide. At some point decisions will be made where people see adult gay leader participation as advantageous because a) logistically, it brings another driver who can move Scouts to activities in, plain and simple and b) in general, you can't get stuff done without a pretty good youth / adult ratio. Poorly run troops are common where there is but a handful of adult leaders overseeing what is going on.
 
2012-07-18 09:42:13 AM
Though I don't agree with it, it's in their right to do that. Now having said that, remove all federal moneys/tax benefits given to the BSA for their discriminatory act.
 
2012-07-18 09:46:06 AM

Bungles: Joe Blowme: Dont like it? Start you own scout groups for gays, problem solved.


Them blacks and Jews should get one too.


Like the NAACP?

Race, yep totally the same as sexual preference.
 
2012-07-18 09:46:27 AM

jetblack21: 4.bp.blogspot.com
Am I the only one who read that in his voice?


Not at first but I did after you mentioned it. Holy shiat, that's uncanny.
 
2012-07-18 09:51:42 AM
Joe Blowme: Race, yep totally the same as sexual preference.

I agree fully, seeing as "sexual preference" and sexual identity are strongly linked to events that happen during intrauterine brain development of the fetus, as well as the immunological and hormonal interactions that occur between fetus and mother.

Oh, wait. You were trying to make a snarky comment from stupidity. Oh, I get it.
 
2012-07-18 09:51:54 AM

Joe Blowme: Bungles: Joe Blowme: Dont like it? Start you own scout groups for gays, problem solved.


Them blacks and Jews should get one too.

Like the NAACP?

Race, yep totally the same as sexual preference.



When we're talking discrimination based on innate characteristics, yes of course it is (as recognised by most Western nations in their laws).
 
2012-07-18 09:54:18 AM
My wife is a Girl Scout leader and she was talking to one of the parents who was a boy scout (I don't know if he made eagle scout or not) and he made an observation:

When the girls were doing an introduction to sailing at a local camp the counselors gave them a life jacket and a 5 minute lecture on what to expect and set them loose on the lake. He was shocked how the GS let the girls discover/learn how things worked rather than forcing them to go through an endless series of classes and only entrusting them to actual water after they earned a badge. He noted that the BS are more about excluding others who haven't earned their badges rather than learning as a team...

/not really a csb, but kind of interesting.
 
2012-07-18 09:56:41 AM

Bungles: Joe Blowme: Bungles: Joe Blowme: Dont like it? Start you own scout groups for gays, problem solved.


Them blacks and Jews should get one too.

Like the NAACP?

Race, yep totally the same as sexual preference.


When we're talking discrimination based on innate characteristics, yes of course it is (as recognised by most Western nations in their laws).


So you are also against the NAACP, Congressional Black Caucus, HIspanic Caucus, Ladies night, women only gyms, sex segregated restrooms, ect...? If you are then at least you are consistent and i cant fault that.
 
2012-07-18 10:02:57 AM

Joe Blowme: Bungles: Joe Blowme: Bungles: Joe Blowme: Dont like it? Start you own scout groups for gays, problem solved.


Them blacks and Jews should get one too.

Like the NAACP?

Race, yep totally the same as sexual preference.


When we're talking discrimination based on innate characteristics, yes of course it is (as recognised by most Western nations in their laws).

So you are also against the NAACP, Congressional Black Caucus, HIspanic Caucus, Ladies night, women only gyms, sex segregated restrooms, ect...? If you are then at least you are consistent and i cant fault that.



Oh, you're one of those people. Do you get angry there isn't a White History Month?
 
2012-07-18 10:04:11 AM

Joe Blowme: So you are also against the NAACP, Congressional Black Caucus, HIspanic Caucus, Ladies night, women only gyms, sex segregated restrooms, ect...? If you are then at least you are consistent and i cant fault that.


Ah, the age-old argument for "WHY CAN'T WE JUST HAVE THINGS FOR STRAIGHT CHRISTIAN WHITE GUYS WITHOUT PEOPLE THINKING WE ARE LIKE RACISTS OR SOMETHING?" after basically turning society into that for centuries but pretending that's all over now, and WHAA it was better then anyway, am I right?

There's a reason smart and decent people mock your sort. You'll never understand it. I bet you will whine about it though.
 
2012-07-18 10:06:15 AM

Bungles: Oh, you're one of those people. Do you get angry there isn't a White History Month?


I do
 
2012-07-18 10:10:00 AM

BronyMedic: Joe Blowme: Race, yep totally the same as sexual preference.

I agree fully, seeing as "sexual preference" and sexual identity are strongly linked to events that happen during intrauterine brain development of the fetus, as well as the immunological and hormonal interactions that occur between fetus and mother.

Oh, wait. You were trying to make a snarky comment from stupidity. Oh, I get it.


The bsa's policy forbids "practicing" homosexuals from joining or being members. So, it's slightly different. Race isn't something you can keep in your pants.
 
2012-07-18 10:16:44 AM
There really is no way for the BSA to come out positive on this discussion. The issue, like so many complex ones, is there is the local flavor and then the national flavor.

On the gay issue:
- locally we all know gay folks, they are regular folks, live and work with us, not a real issue. When you think of whether openly gay folks should be involved in scouting you think of this person and you have empathy and think, sure

- nationally it gets more complex, there are more entrenched positions, more extremes, and more die hards on both sides. For the BSA they are looking at their chartered partners that sponsor troops as part of their youth programs, mostly churches. For the gays it becomes the lightning rod issue, this is a must have, let's protest, call them foul names, drive a wedge

As an Eagle and lifelong scout and now scouter, most of us are actually ambivalent about the issue. We do not actually interact at all with national BSA, we are a local troop, meet weekly, camp monthly, try to instill leadership, small group processes, and outdoor skills into the youth.

That we can disconnect them from the electronics once a month and for a few weeks each summer is a major success.

Gay, not gay, whatever
 
2012-07-18 10:18:03 AM
My boyfriend is an eagle scout; getting a kick, etc
 
2012-07-18 10:19:43 AM
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Why would someone object to their 10 year old daughter camping overnight with a straight man, but have no problem with their 10 year old son camping overnight with a gay man?
 
2012-07-18 10:27:41 AM

Aqua Buddha: Why would someone object to their 10 year old daughter camping overnight with a straight man, but have no problem with their 10 year old son camping overnight with a gay man?


I usually don't assume everyone is a pedophile, do you?
 
2012-07-18 10:29:46 AM

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Why would someone object to their 10 year old daughter camping overnight with a straight man, but have no problem with their 10 year old son camping overnight with a gay man?




Statistically, it's far, far more likely that the father is the one doing the abusing, and those camping trips are blessed relief.
 
2012-07-18 10:38:50 AM

alywa: Suck it long and hard. Just don't go trying to gay up the Scouts.



Same-troll trolling?

Here in the Workers' Paradise, it's the Scouts and the Churches that harbour the greatest number of kiddie-fiddlers. I blame the insistence on short pants, knowing a lot of constrictor knots and woodcraft. Hard woodcraft.
 
2012-07-18 10:39:13 AM
what if they're only pre-gay?
 
2012-07-18 10:42:57 AM

Valiente: alywa: Suck it long and hard. Just don't go trying to gay up the Scouts.



Same-troll trolling?

Here in the Workers' Paradise, it's the Scouts and the Churches that harbour the greatest number of kiddie-fiddlers. I blame the insistence on short pants, knowing a lot of constrictor knots and woodcraft. Hard woodcraft.


2 years ago Jerry Sandusky would have been the model troop leader.
 
2012-07-18 10:57:04 AM

Bungles: Joe Blowme: Bungles: Joe Blowme: Bungles: Joe Blowme: Dont like it? Start you own scout groups for gays, problem solved.


Them blacks and Jews should get one too.

Like the NAACP?

Race, yep totally the same as sexual preference.


When we're talking discrimination based on innate characteristics, yes of course it is (as recognised by most Western nations in their laws).

So you are also against the NAACP, Congressional Black Caucus, HIspanic Caucus, Ladies night, women only gyms, sex segregated restrooms, ect...? If you are then at least you are consistent and i cant fault that.


Oh, you're one of those people. Do you get angry there isn't a White History Month?


Oh, so some are more equal than others. Welcome to the farm.
 
2012-07-18 10:58:59 AM

Joe Blowme: Oh, so some are more equal than others. Welcome to the farm.


If you really have to explain to a grown adult in 2012 why there is a difference between a Black History Month and a White History Month, you really just have to give up on humanity.

This sort of just abject cluelessness is amazing to witness in modern times.
 
2012-07-18 11:03:52 AM

Confabulat: Joe Blowme: So you are also against the NAACP, Congressional Black Caucus, HIspanic Caucus, Ladies night, women only gyms, sex segregated restrooms, ect...? If you are then at least you are consistent and i cant fault that.

Ah, the age-old argument for "WHY CAN'T WE JUST HAVE THINGS FOR STRAIGHT CHRISTIAN WHITE GUYS WITHOUT PEOPLE THINKING WE ARE LIKE RACISTS OR SOMETHING?" after basically turning society into that for centuries but pretending that's all over now, and WHAA it was better then anyway, am I right?

There's a reason smart and decent people mock your sort. You'll never understand it. I bet you will whine about it though.


Hypocrisy, this is how it works.
 
2012-07-18 11:05:58 AM

Confabulat: awshat: . And, it's only been in this last generation that teenage sexuality is no longer taboo, that it's out in the open, that everybody does it, and it's all ok!

This is the dumbest thing I'll ever read today.

When I was a teen about 30 years ago, teen sex was ALL my elders wanted to talk about. Teen sex was the hottest topic of the day. Teen sex was ALL I heard about.

Oh, and maybe you should watch some movies from the 1970s, 40 years ago. There's a hell of a lot more open and free teen sex in those movies that are today's kids' GRANDPARENTS' era than you'll see in a multiplex today.

If anything, teen sex is a lot more sane in modern culture than it was back in my day.



I apologize - I keep forgetting how very old I am - after all it was 1968 when I joined the Scouts, and it was that first generation of boomers that became adults during the love/peace/dope hippie era that were so into attacking the conservative culture. "Leave it to Beaver" and "My Three Sons" made way for "All In The Family" and "M*A*S*H". And, you're right - I misspoke - it wasn't this generation (as defined by the old 40 year model), it was mine.
 
2012-07-18 11:07:23 AM

Confabulat: Joe Blowme: Oh, so some are more equal than others. Welcome to the farm.

If you really have to explain to a grown adult in 2012 why there is a difference between a Black History Month and a White History Month, you really just have to give up on humanity.

This sort of just abject cluelessness is amazing to witness in modern times.


Are you having a conversation with yourself? I recall you were the one bringing up history months in trying to defend your obvious hipocrisy defending your brand of racism. I thought we were talking about gays in the BSA.
 
2012-07-18 11:08:51 AM

Joe Blowme: Hypocrisy, this is how it works.


No, you just have no clue about what you are talking about. You are a fossilized bigot and cannot understand why groups like the NAACP should exist and be respected when you can't join the KKK and tell your friends.

Admit it. You don't understand the difference. You can't figure it out. You're clueless.
 
2012-07-18 11:09:55 AM

Joe Blowme: I thought we were talking about gays in the BSA.


Sure let's talk about it. I'm sure you think there should be a gay Boy Scouts, if that's what the gays want, and you can't understand why you are so goddamned stupid for thinking this.

You honestly aren't that smart.
 
2012-07-18 11:10:46 AM

zymosan: Don't like their policy's? Start your own club. May I suggest "Science Scouts" or "Survival Scouts" something more inclusive. Private, religion based club, fark um, start your own.


Junior Preppers, FTW.
 
2012-07-18 11:17:14 AM

sprag: My wife is a Girl Scout leader and she was talking to one of the parents who was a boy scout (I don't know if he made eagle scout or not) and he made an observation:

When the girls were doing an introduction to sailing at a local camp the counselors gave them a life jacket and a 5 minute lecture on what to expect and set them loose on the lake. He was shocked how the GS let the girls discover/learn how things worked rather than forcing them to go through an endless series of classes and only entrusting them to actual water after they earned a badge. He noted that the BS are more about excluding others who haven't earned their badges rather than learning as a team...

/not really a csb, but kind of interesting.


He probably does not remember the boy scout rules correctly. To take a sailboat out at my son's scout camp you need the 5-10 minute safety lecture. To get the sailing merit badge it takes about 3 hours of instruction, but you do not need the merit badge to go sailing. Same with archery, rifles, shotgun, high ropes course, etc. To use them requires the safety lecture not the merit badge. However during certain periods scouts working on the merit badge go to the head of the line if there is a wait.
 
2012-07-18 11:25:10 AM

Confabulat: Joe Blowme: I thought we were talking about gays in the BSA.

Sure let's talk about it. I'm sure you think there should be a gay Boy Scouts, if that's what the gays want, and you can't understand why you are so goddamned stupid for thinking this.

You honestly aren't that smart.



Stop poking the doofus.
 
2012-07-18 11:31:06 AM

Bungles: Confabulat: Joe Blowme: I thought we were talking about gays in the BSA.

Sure let's talk about it. I'm sure you think there should be a gay Boy Scouts, if that's what the gays want, and you can't understand why you are so goddamned stupid for thinking this.

You honestly aren't that smart.


Stop poking the doofus.


Doofus was a Junior Woodchuck not a Boy Scout.
 
2012-07-18 11:31:37 AM

Confabulat: Joe Blowme: Hypocrisy, this is how it works.

No, you just have no clue about what you are talking about. You are a fossilized bigot and cannot understand why groups like the NAACP should exist and be respected when you can't join the KKK and tell your friends.

Admit it. You don't understand the difference. You can't figure it out. You're clueless.


like i said, some are more equal than others in your world. So much for judging people by content of character and not color of skin.

/u sound mad bro and your racism is showing.
 
2012-07-18 11:40:16 AM
BSA is a private organization. The Supremes ruled that private organizations can decide who can join them.

Get over it.

Move on.
 
2012-07-18 11:49:04 AM
Thinking back, it seems like the boyscouts were really just an excuse for dads to go camping while having their sons do all the work.
 
2012-07-18 11:53:29 AM
As a former scout leader, when I had boys age 10-12 I had to be careful because they were fully aware of girls and somewhat of sex. (it really varied a lot from boy to boy.) So, at this age, would it be a good idea to have them camp with girls? Would it be possible for some to experiment or play doctor? It just wouldn't be a good idea. So how would having gays in the same camp be much different? You don't think that there would be some playing around? To me it isn't an anti gay thing it is a practical thing. I know this doesn't answer the question of how do we allow gays to experience the joys of scouting but it is a separate thing. Having a troop of nothing but gays does not sound good either. Kids at that age are going to experiment and explore.
 
2012-07-18 12:01:42 PM

Confabulat: Joe Blowme: I thought we were talking about gays in the BSA.

Sure let's talk about it. I'm sure you think there should be a gay Boy Scouts, if that's what the gays want, and you can't understand why you are so goddamned stupid for thinking this.

You honestly aren't that smart.


First, the disclaimers: I took my son out of BSA after three years, because too many of the leaders seemed to be creepy, cultish home-schoolers I didn't want around my kid. I realized after reading their materials they are a conservative Christian organization, and I defend their right to maintain their dogma, just without my participation and support. SCOTUS seems to concur.

I'm replying to this post, however, to express my dismay with people of otherwise-goodwill, like Confabulat, who I'm sure consider themselves paragons of tolerance, and then resort to playground-bully tactics against anyone whose opinion differs from their own. This seems to be particularly prevalant lately in the GLBT community and their supporters, the latter of which I am one.

When one repeatedly presumes to know that another person they've never met "(doesn't) understand," or is "Goddamn stupid, " one engages in the same sort of bigotry and oppression which we all seek to end. This same sort of tolerance of all diversity, except that of opinion, evidenced itself in the attacks on Brad Pitt's mother by Perez Hilton and others.

One has to ask one's self, which is worse; the private religious organization which excludes those who don't share its beliefs, or the individual who launches a vitriolic verbal attack on another who doesn't share his or her political opinions?

I know, welcome to Fark.
 
2012-07-18 12:03:05 PM
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2012-07-18 10:58:59 AM


Joe Blowme: Oh, so some are more equal than others. Welcome to the farm.

If you really have to explain to a grown adult in 2012 why there is a difference between a Black History Month and a White History Month, you really just have to give up on humanity.

This sort of just abject cluelessness is amazing to witness in modern times.




Translation:
I don't have a good answer.
 
2012-07-18 12:03:21 PM
As a former Scout I am ashamed and want nothing further to do with the organization. They have destroyed a great opportunity for many young boys who only want to experience the wilderness, learn skills, and help their community by fulfilling their civic duty.
 
2012-07-18 12:06:16 PM

CallMeGomer: As a former scout leader, when I had boys age 10-12 I had to be careful because they were fully aware of girls and somewhat of sex. (it really varied a lot from boy to boy.) So, at this age, would it be a good idea to have them camp with girls? Would it be possible for some to experiment or play doctor? It just wouldn't be a good idea. So how would having gays in the same camp be much different? You don't think that there would be some playing around? To me it isn't an anti gay thing it is a practical thing. I know this doesn't answer the question of how do we allow gays to experience the joys of scouting but it is a separate thing. Having a troop of nothing but gays does not sound good either. Kids at that age are going to experiment and explore.


Probably the only place you'd have to worry is when you put 2 or more scouts in the same tent at nighttime. If there's orgies going on around the campfire or kids wandering off into the woods unsupervised, you've got other issues. (insert nostalgia about the girl who used to come on the trips whose dad thwarted my attempts to sneak off in the woods with her).

As far as tent buddies goes, you're probably OK putting a gay kid and a straight kid in the tent together. If the gay kid is pervy enough to rape his tent buddy, or if the straight kid is homophobic enough to cause problems, then obviously you need to not put those two together. But if they're both reasonably behaved human beings you should be fine. Putting the two gay kids in the same tent would be inadvisable, but let's say you hypothetically had an all gay troop, what's the worst that could happen? Give everybody his own tent?
 
2012-07-18 12:09:21 PM

mark12A: BSA is a private organization. The Supremes ruled that private organizations can decide who can join them.

Get over it.

Move on.


Their federal charter says they're not. If they were a private organization, they wouldn't exist. There's no way they would have made it through the competition in the early 1900s. Since they are federally chartered, they must follow federal, state and local law with regard to excluding people based on sexual orientation and religious views.

Or hey, maybe we should just revoke their charter and see how long they last as a private entity.
 
2012-07-18 12:21:19 PM
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2012-07-18 12:24:36 PM

alywa: Scouts are a private organization. They never use community centers, public spaces, parks, etc, so your namby pamby laws about "oh lets hold hands and poop rainbows and sing KumByA" don't apply here.


So that's why most units meet in public schools, use state parks, and have a federal congressional charter?
 
2012-07-18 12:27:25 PM

serial_crusher: That's the way to do it. My troop started off like that, but by my last couple of years we got a bunch of new nanny-leaders who eliminated all the fun (aka marginally dangerous) stuff and turned the troop into a merit badge factory. Those kind of leaders are infinitely more of a threat than the gheys.


I've noticed the merit badge factory troops tend to be rather small, aren't particularly active, and are just lame to be around. But the troops that do take some chances end up being large, active, and are the ones that make Eagles.
 
2012-07-18 12:28:27 PM

rohar: mark12A: BSA is a private organization. The Supremes ruled that private organizations can decide who can join them.

Get over it.

Move on.

Their federal charter says they're not. If they were a private organization, they wouldn't exist. There's no way they would have made it through the competition in the early 1900s. Since they are federally chartered, they must follow federal, state and local law with regard to excluding people based on sexual orientation and religious views.

Or hey, maybe we should just revoke their charter and see how long they last as a private entity.

????
In 2000, the Supreme Court ruled in Boy Scouts of America v. Dale that Boy Scouts, and all private organizations, have the constitutionally protected right under the First Amendment of freedom of association to set membership standards
 
2012-07-18 12:29:32 PM

Confabulat: Aqua Buddha: Why would someone object to their 10 year old daughter camping overnight with a straight man, but have no problem with their 10 year old son camping overnight with a gay man?

I usually don't assume everyone is a pedophile, do you?


You don't have a daughter, do you?
 
2012-07-18 12:34:53 PM

thisiszombocom: i wonder when the first lawsuit for a gay boy/gay scout leader to join the girl scouts happens.


It won't.
 
2012-07-18 12:36:00 PM

SN1987a goes boom: The Unitarian Universalists got their religion medal discontinued from the scouts for supporting gays.


Time to add the Episcopalians to that list?
 
2012-07-18 12:36:49 PM

Baloo Uriza: alywa: Scouts are a private organization. They never use community centers, public spaces, parks, etc, so your namby pamby laws about "oh lets hold hands and poop rainbows and sing KumByA" don't apply here.

So that's why most units meet in public schools, use state parks, and have a federal congressional charter?


The relationship between Congress and the organization is largely a symbolic honorific giving the organization the aura of being "officially" sanctioned by the U.S. government. However, Congress does not oversee or supervise organizations with the charter (other than receiving a yearly financial statement). The granting of a charter does not include congressional oversight or funding
 
2012-07-18 12:37:54 PM

BroVinny: Danger Avoid Death: Is there a merit badge for trolling?

Getting on My Little Pony Killer's ignore list is it. Nothing in the world quite like it.


Never mind that guy's too dumb to speak himself...
 
2012-07-18 12:37:56 PM

thelordofcheese: As a former Scout I am ashamed and want nothing further to do with the organization. They have destroyed a great opportunity for many young boys who only want to experience the wilderness, learn skills, and help their community by fulfilling their civic duty.


Actually the national organization's homophobia does not effect the local units at all. They never ask anyone what their sexual orientation is and there really is not any way to tell them. The only way they find out is if someone makes a stink in the media. As I said above, it's don't ask, don't tell. Sure some of the local units are probably just as conservative and repressive as the Mormon led national organization but that is rare in my experience (actually I have never seen it around here). Find the right troop and religion will not even come up. Our troop is all about getting the kids away from the electronics, getting some exercise (at least one backpacking, canoeing and biking trip a year plus plenty of day hikes), learning skills and learning how to lead. Like most topics on Fark this is really just MUD (made up drama). But if it were not for the made up stuff we would not have any reason to call each other stupid so I guess it's all good.
 
2012-07-18 12:41:00 PM
we are protecting OUR kids from potential harm from homosexuals looking to hook up with young boys. if the Homosexuals want to have a scouting program start their own and have nambla sponsor it. Until we find the cause for homosexuality we will never find the cure this needs to be medicly studied and a cure found for these sad sick people.
 
2012-07-18 12:41:59 PM

Rreal: There's really only two kinds of folks with that knd of fashion sense. survivalist gays and facists.


National Parks Service. Not sure which column this puts Smokey Bear in.
 
2012-07-18 12:44:05 PM

clyph: timujin: Nah, it's a little too heavy handed and it would take a real moron to group that many logical fallacies in one comment unintentionally.

You've obviously never read Free Republic or Conservapedia.


How does that change what timujin said in the slightest?
 
2012-07-18 12:48:42 PM

Confabulat: awshat: . And, it's only been in this last generation that teenage sexuality is no longer taboo, that it's out in the open, that everybody does it, and it's all ok!

This is the dumbest thing I'll ever read today.

When I was a teen about 30 years ago, teen sex was ALL my elders wanted to talk about. Teen sex was the hottest topic of the day. Teen sex was ALL I heard about.

Oh, and maybe you should watch some movies from the 1970s, 40 years ago. There's a hell of a lot more open and free teen sex in those movies that are today's kids' GRANDPARENTS' era than you'll see in a multiplex today.

If anything, teen sex is a lot more sane in modern culture than it was back in my day.


"Purity Busch" just turned 50. She's an old friend of mine.

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ecx.images-amazon.com

And she still looks pretty good, and yeah, they are still real.
 
2012-07-18 12:49:36 PM

Biness: Valiente: alywa: Suck it long and hard. Just don't go trying to gay up the Scouts.



Same-troll trolling?

Here in the Workers' Paradise, it's the Scouts and the Churches that harbour the greatest number of kiddie-fiddlers. I blame the insistence on short pants, knowing a lot of constrictor knots and woodcraft. Hard woodcraft.

2 years ago Jerry Sandusky would have been the model troop leader.


Why? Was there a badge in ass-patting?
 
2012-07-18 12:53:48 PM

Peepeye: A gay Boy Scout would probably keep his sexuality to himself. I just don't see it being a big deal. But they are making it one.


Some of the things I learned about Mormon scout troops after I became an adult leader made me wonder how straight boys get along in those troops.

/Apparently, Mormon boys can't stay off each other
 
2012-07-18 01:00:40 PM

unatnaes: Ashamed to be an Eagle today


Don't be. Give it a few more weeks, the folks at National who are two or three generations removed from today's rank and file membership will die out and we can all move on.
 
2012-07-18 01:03:17 PM

zymosan: Don't like their policy's? Start your own club. May I suggest "Science Scouts" or "Survival Scouts" something more inclusive. Private, religion based club, fark um, start your own.


I would be amused if the US had more than one WOSM member.
 
2012-07-18 01:06:03 PM

SuwonROKs: How can you say Sandusky is straight but is attracted to boys? I'm not saying all gays are pedos but I don't understand how gays can see these pedos aren't gay.


Pedos are attracted to kids, not a specific gender. Most pedos identify as (and when they're not with kids, are) straight.
 
2012-07-18 01:06:11 PM
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No room for debate.
 
2012-07-18 01:07:18 PM
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No room for debate.
 
2012-07-18 01:19:42 PM

Baloo Uriza: Peepeye: A gay Boy Scout would probably keep his sexuality to himself. I just don't see it being a big deal. But they are making it one.

Some of the things I learned about Mormon scout troops after I became an adult leader made me wonder how straight boys get along in those troops.

/Apparently, Mormon boys can't stay off each other


Well, living in Oklahoma, we don't have many Mormons. I don't think I want to know your experiences.
 
2012-07-18 01:33:16 PM

Stinkyy: If they want to distinguish themselves as homo so much, then the Boy Scouts would have to change their name to the "Let's put our dicks in shiat" scouts before anyone was satisfied. I'm pretty sure putting your dick in shiat is aberrant, but the libs love normalizing disgusting perverted behavior.


I've said it since I was a Scout: Orientation is a non-issue. If you're joining Scouts for the sex, well, then...
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2012-07-18 01:35:22 PM

RidersOfLohan: geez looks like there are more Eagle Scouts than University of Phoenix MBAs


Or Fark attracts Eagle Scouts.
 
2012-07-18 01:36:33 PM

awshat: The fact that there's still a faction out there that stands up to morality should be applauded, not laughed at and condemned for being out of step with the times.


Discrimination is moral. Got it.
 
2012-07-18 01:42:55 PM

RocketRay: My parents pulled me from BSA when we got a new scoutmaster who was an alcoholic. Guy before him was no prize either, his son got multiple merit badges in Favoritism.


It's a shame you didn't shop around. Different troops run a bit differently. There's also the Lone Scout program for those who want to be involved with Scouting, just not necessarily the locally available troops' baggage.
 
2012-07-18 01:47:30 PM

Peepeye: Baloo Uriza: Peepeye: A gay Boy Scout would probably keep his sexuality to himself. I just don't see it being a big deal. But they are making it one.

Some of the things I learned about Mormon scout troops after I became an adult leader made me wonder how straight boys get along in those troops.

/Apparently, Mormon boys can't stay off each other

Well, living in Oklahoma, we don't have many Mormons. I don't think I want to know your experiences.


I grew up in Oregon and lived there until I was 28, but then I got better and moved to Tulsa.
 
2012-07-18 01:50:44 PM

Baloo Uriza: RocketRay: My parents pulled me from BSA when we got a new scoutmaster who was an alcoholic. Guy before him was no prize either, his son got multiple merit badges in Favoritism.

It's a shame you didn't shop around. Different troops run a bit differently. There's also the Lone Scout program for those who want to be involved with Scouting, just not necessarily the locally available troops' baggage.


At the time we were living in a small town in the Sierra Nevadas. There was only one traffic light in the entire county, and we didn't have any choice of Boy Scout troops.
 
2012-07-18 02:01:53 PM
Sid_6.7
I think GWB was a terrible president, but that doesn't mean that I decided that the US was a terrible country incapable of doing good (and neither did I disagree with everything Bush did). In a similar vein, I find it disgraceful that the BSA continues to take this stance, but at the same time, I know for a fact that there is value to be had in Scouting, and that it should not be wholly condemned for the myopic views of a few people at the top.

As an Eagle Scout, I read the latest announcement with dismay. Yes, scouting does some good. I know that well. However, the BSA has shown itself to be an openly bigoted organization. The values of the leadership can't help but get passed down to those in the organization. I cannot in good conscience support a bigoted organization. I also cannot recommend that others do so or enroll their children in such an organization. There are other options out there for kids.

The BSA is reprehensible. Don't support them until they change their policy.

Nowhere in the Boy Scout Law do I find the word Bigoted.
 
2012-07-18 02:26:52 PM

ReapTheChaos: AbbeySomeone: The majority of child molesters are straight, middle class married men with religious and community ties.

That sums it up right there.


The only problem is that it's total bullcrap.

First, I need to say, I disagree with the BSA on this issue, and I won't allow my son or daughter join these organizations for multiple issues I have with them.

Second, I think Abbey's statement is crap because it's an intellectual fraud, some would say it's "Fallacy of Composition".. but I digress.

Let me rebut: The reason "majority of child molesters are straight, middle class married men with religious and community tie" is because most of this category is composed of this. If it were a 50-50 gay mix, then you might have something there, but it's massively not. The "norm" is a married man, religious, and with a community tie. I think a better way of phrasing your anger would be... "Straight men suck, but I don't have an argument that can LOGICALLY back that up."
 
2012-07-18 02:29:34 PM

CallMeGomer: As a former scout leader, when I had boys age 10-12 I had to be careful because they were fully aware of girls and somewhat of sex. (it really varied a lot from boy to boy.) So, at this age, would it be a good idea to have them camp with girls? Would it be possible for some to experiment or play doctor? It just wouldn't be a good idea. So how would having gays in the same camp be much different? You don't think that there would be some playing around? To me it isn't an anti gay thing it is a practical thing. I know this doesn't answer the question of how do we allow gays to experience the joys of scouting but it is a separate thing. Having a troop of nothing but gays does not sound good either. Kids at that age are going to experiment and explore.


Then you should be able to demonstrate that undesirable consequences result from the absence of such a prohibition in the British's "The Scout Association", a direct analogue of the Boy Scouts of America. Please do so.
 
2012-07-18 03:43:24 PM
I was a Boy Scout almost my entire childhood; from Tiger Scout to Life Scout (the rank just below Eagle).

We camped in every weather condition, learned how to survive alone in the woods, dessert and plains, made lots of new friends, saw lots new places, and developed good character and morals. It's sad that an organization I spent so much of my life in, would now no longer accept me due to my religious preference.

There is nothing American about not accepting diversity.
 
2012-07-18 04:08:17 PM

rwfan: thelordofcheese: As a former Scout I am ashamed and want nothing further to do with the organization. They have destroyed a great opportunity for many young boys who only want to experience the wilderness, learn skills, and help their community by fulfilling their civic duty.

Actually the national organization's homophobia does not effect the local units at all. They never ask anyone what their sexual orientation is and there really is not any way to tell them. The only way they find out is if someone makes a stink in the media. As I said above, it's don't ask, don't tell. Sure some of the local units are probably just as conservative and repressive as the Mormon led national organization but that is rare in my experience (actually I have never seen it around here). Find the right troop and religion will not even come up. Our troop is all about getting the kids away from the electronics, getting some exercise (at least one backpacking, canoeing and biking trip a year plus plenty of day hikes), learning skills and learning how to lead. Like most topics on Fark this is really just MUD (made up drama). But if it were not for the made up stuff we would not have any reason to call each other stupid so I guess it's all good.


But the still condemn it, and they still expect Scout leaders to make this known. And it is espoused in their materials, and by their press releases, and at speeches and demonstrations at their national conventions. To hell with them. to hell with them by the commanded word of the very religion they claim to follow.
 
2012-07-18 04:25:18 PM
 
2012-07-18 04:50:59 PM

thisiszombocom: i wonder when the first lawsuit for a gay boy/gay scout leader to join the girl scouts happens.

why hasnt a boy/girl sued to join the girl/boy scouts anyways? seems like the sort of thing people would do


We had a boy in our Girl Scout troop. I mean, he wasn't "officially" a member. His sister was and he wanted to do most of the stuff with us. But no one ever batted an eye when we showed up with him in tow.
 
2012-07-18 06:24:19 PM

Dimensio: CallMeGomer: As a former scout leader, when I had boys age 10-12 I had to be careful because they were fully aware of girls and somewhat of sex. (it really varied a lot from boy to boy.) So, at this age, would it be a good idea to have them camp with girls? Would it be possible for some to experiment or play doctor? It just wouldn't be a good idea. So how would having gays in the same camp be much different? You don't think that there would be some playing around? To me it isn't an anti gay thing it is a practical thing. I know this doesn't answer the question of how do we allow gays to experience the joys of scouting but it is a separate thing. Having a troop of nothing but gays does not sound good either. Kids at that age are going to experiment and explore.

Then you should be able to demonstrate that undesirable consequences result from the absence of such a prohibition in the British's "The Scout Association", a direct analogue of the Boy Scouts of America. Please do so.


The Royal Navy is downsizing and boarding schools are becoming prohibitively expensive. Where else are the Brits supposed to teach buggery to their next generation?
 
2012-07-18 06:58:16 PM

Monongahela Misfit: Wayne 985: zymosan: Don't like their policy's? Start your own club. May I suggest "Science Scouts" or "Survival Scouts" something more inclusive. Private, religion based club, fark um, start your own.

"Private" except for all those federal dollars they receive.

But it's ok to fund with Federal(our wages taken from us before we even get the check) funds going to a national education program whose directors would like to teach only those theorys that agree with their own faith or lack of it. Their own versions of history etc.
Is it too much to ask that theory be taught as just that? Theory is Not fact. Faith is not Fact. Aitheism is A Faith. Science is just the facts.
We also fund Planned Parenthood, where people who couldn't, or wouldn't use proven prevention methods, can end the life of a Human Fetus/Child.
So if we can spend our taxes on a national org bent on changing our national culture, can't we spend some of it on an org that tries to preserve what They perceive as our national culture? I realize I'm showing off my limited education, but just because You or I or anyone else has a disagreement on what our taxes fund, doesn't detract from the good things those funds do.


Even if you are trolling (which seems likely) your points need addressing.

1. Your theories about how public education works in the US are so far off the mark, I can only assume that you received yours from a brainwashing religious organization or one of the many poor schools so crippled by inadequate STATE rules as to be ineffective. HIstory, science, math, and similar fact-based curricula are developed based on long-accepted and easily understood criteria, and are shaped by consensus and expertise. Oh yeah, and "creation science" and related trojan horse nonsense are not and never will be relevant to science other than on a sociological level. There are well established standards of proof and your inability to grasp those basics (or unwillingness to listen) do not suddenly make them evaporate.

2. Scientific "theories" are more than opinions; they meet established standards of proof and they undergo rigorous and constant challenge and testing. They are "theories" in the same way that the foundation of our understanding of physics relies on things like "the theory of gravity" -- not quite the same thing as your buddy Ed who has a theory that Obama's a secret muslim. In short, since you clearly don't understand what a "theory" is, your opinions are valueless in this discussion and you can go jump in a lake.

3. "Teaching the facts" includes teaching (HONESTLY) the conclusions of the scientific community, and not the delusions, baseless claims, and deliberate fabrications of certain factions.

4. Atheism is by definition NOT a religion. It is a philosophical position that eschews any beliefs that presuppose the existence of a divine being or beings. Points off (again!) for not having a clue what you're talking about. I'll grant you that some atheists ACT like atheism is a religion, becoming annoying, pushy, dogmatic, and confrontative when others fail to share their beliefs, but ducks and geese are still different despite their similarities.

5. We don't really fund planned parenthood through taxes, you know. We reimburse them for conducting legitimate services OTHER THAN ABORTION in their clinics, which are in most cases the ONLY recourse poor women have to much-needed gynecological and other services. Numerous federal programs are involved, and all are prevented from directly funding abortion thanks to alarmist numbnuts like you who are obsessed with other peoples' sexual activity. Further, abortion represents a fairly small amount of their overall efforts; contraception and other fully legal services are also offered. Again you know nothing of what you're talking about.
 
2012-07-18 07:10:02 PM

serial_crusher: BronyMedic: Joe Blowme: Race, yep totally the same as sexual preference.

I agree fully, seeing as "sexual preference" and sexual identity are strongly linked to events that happen during intrauterine brain development of the fetus, as well as the immunological and hormonal interactions that occur between fetus and mother.

Oh, wait. You were trying to make a snarky comment from stupidity. Oh, I get it.

The bsa's policy forbids "practicing" homosexuals from joining or being members. So, it's slightly different. Race isn't something you can keep in your pants.


Oh PRACTICING homosexuals. I guess once you've really got that whole gay thing down, it's okay. :)

Is there a certificate you get once you've completed your practicing?
 
2012-07-18 07:27:05 PM

thelordofcheese: But the still condemn it, and they still expect Scout leaders to make this known. And it is espoused in their materials, and by their press releases, and at speeches and demonstrations at their national conventions. To hell with them. to hell with them by the commanded word of the very religion they claim to follow.


I am fine with you disassociating yourself with the BSA over this issue but I have to say that I have been a scout leader for ten years (ever since my son was a tiger) and no one has ever even suggested that I exclude gay leaders or scouts. In fact, a week ago I was part of a group discussion led by a rabbi who emphatically stated that the scouts need the space and the freedom to discover their own sexual identity and it was our role as leaders to make sure they had a safe environment to do so. That is he was specifically stating that as adult leaders we had the responsibility to ensure that gay scouts not be harassed because of their sexual identity. It was a pretty large group and no one disagreed with him
 
2012-07-18 07:40:36 PM

varmitydog: I sympathize with the gays in their struggle for political equality, but this is an organization that is very decidedly NOT BROKEN. I don't reckon that allowing a bunch of politically correct assh*les to dictate to them how to run their business is going to improve upon it. Here's hoping that they don't.


No, you really, really don't.
 
2012-07-18 08:06:19 PM

mark12A: BSA is a private organization. The Supremes ruled that private organizations can decide who can join them.


That would be fine, except it's NOT purely a private organization. They get financial support from the government. Let them refuse all money and special treatment, then they get to back as backwards and cretinous as they like.
 
2012-07-19 12:29:04 AM

serial_crusher: what do camp fire members call themselves?


Friends for life.
Seek beauty.
 
2012-07-19 12:30:11 AM

rwfan: I am fine with you disassociating yourself with the BSA over this issue but I have to say that I have been a scout leader for ten years (ever since my son was a tiger) and no one has ever even suggested that I exclude gay leaders or scouts. In fact, a week ago I was part of a group discussion led by a rabbi who emphatically stated that the scouts need the space and the freedom to discover their own sexual identity and it was our role as leaders to make sure they had a safe environment to do so. That is he was specifically stating that as adult leaders we had the responsibility to ensure that gay scouts not be harassed because of their sexual identity. It was a pretty large group and no one disagreed with him


Good rabbi. Have a bagel.
/really.
 
2012-07-19 12:46:37 AM
I sympathize with the gays
ciberido: No, you really, really don't.

I have always had a live and let live attitude towards all people, and the same attitude that makes me defend the scouts from the more socially progressive once was a shield for a cousin. I realize you probably don't care, but let me tell you about my cousin Allen, since it always makes me smile to do so.

Allen used to play with dolls in the time before GI Joe and would sometimes go into stores and try on outfits for girls. In the mid 60's this made him very unpopular and he was forever getting beat up, sometimes severely. Then we moved into his neighborhood and I became his protector, since he was a year younger and I was a mean kid and liked to do it. Allen's daddy had been with the Marines at the Chosin reservoir in Korea and was a weapons instructor for the Treasury Department, and when Allen moved to New York City and came out in the 70's he completely disowned him, refusing to talk to him on the phone and closing the door in his face when he went to visit one Christmas. Both of his siblings took his dad's side and were uncomfortable with him too. I happened to go to New York in '76 and I looked him up (he was my cousin and I wanted to see him) and he was so very happy that he had family to show off to his gay friends, just thinking about that makes me smile even now. And of course he brought up the fact that I used to protect him a thousand times. Every time I would go up that way over the years he would go all out taking me to the crazy gay bar scene of New York City in the late 70's--spending money he didn't have and getting me into high classed exclusive places. When the AIDS epidemic started up there, Allen became a bereavement minister--and he was so very good at it that he became well known. He eventually got HIV and died himself, and it was just me and his mom for the family at his packed crowd funeral. Fast forward a few years and I am now a redneck shrimper down on the Gulf Coast of Florida. I get an invite to
one of those giant quilt thingies that they had to remember the AIDS victims and since my sister lived in the DC area at the time and my wife wanted to get to know her better we decided to go. We walked out to the grassy field on the mall thinking I didn't know anyone, and all of the sudden it is like old home week, with all the gays from the old neighborhood
and bar crowd gathering around greeting me. My wife was stunned, that all these obviously flaming homosexuals and I
were hugging each other like long lost kinfolks. It is a happy memory for me.

Aye they are good people, the gays, and I have a lot of sympathy for them. But the scouts are good people too and I have sympathy for them as well, despite what the stuffed shirts on their executive board say. The social mores of society have changed and the scouts are the ones who need protecting now, from the intolerant know-it-alls who are so very politically correct that they have forgotten just what live and let live means.
 
2012-07-19 07:07:45 AM

Duke_leto_Atredes: we are protecting OUR kids from potential harm from homosexuals looking to hook up with young boys. if the Homosexuals want to have a scouting program start their own and have nambla sponsor it. Until we find the cause for homosexuality we will never find the cure this needs to be medicly studied and a cure found for these sad sick people.



You do realise that the entire Scout movement was started by a pederast? It was basically a NAMBLA recruitment program.

/no, I'm not joking
//just read any biography of Baden Powell
///this isn't controversial
 
2012-07-19 10:28:33 AM

rwfan: thelordofcheese: But the still condemn it, and they still expect Scout leaders to make this known. And it is espoused in their materials, and by their press releases, and at speeches and demonstrations at their national conventions. To hell with them. to hell with them by the commanded word of the very religion they claim to follow.

I am fine with you disassociating yourself with the BSA over this issue but I have to say that I have been a scout leader for ten years (ever since my son was a tiger) and no one has ever even suggested that I exclude gay leaders or scouts. In fact, a week ago I was part of a group discussion led by a rabbi who emphatically stated that the scouts need the space and the freedom to discover their own sexual identity and it was our role as leaders to make sure they had a safe environment to do so. That is he was specifically stating that as adult leaders we had the responsibility to ensure that gay scouts not be harassed because of their sexual identity. It was a pretty large group and no one disagreed with him


Might be how much they let certain people do shiat on their own. My friend from HS is an administrator with Salvation Army in Malibu, CA, and it's a lot less religious-zealot-nutjob-y out there. Where are you located?

Anyway, the ones at the top are the ones misguiding - or at least attempting to do so - the others. Their sentiment and message of exclusion from participation and ostracism is neither American nor Christian. But, hey, they are actually promoting Judaism, so they're expanding what they officially tolerate in their organization. Previously it was "don't ask, don't tell". It wasn't long ago that scouts - young children - were being ejected from the BSA for being atheists (or anything other than Xtian).
 
2012-07-19 01:43:40 PM

OneFretAway: unatnaes: Sid_6.7:

Current & recent scouts will be future leaders and newsmakers, and they will have to squirm and disavow likewise. In 2030, participation in this bigoted program will be indefensible. And by then, they will have come around, but who will join? Just the kids of bigots. And the BSA as we know it will be done, relegated to the fringe.

Ashamed to be an Eagle today.

Honestly, we should be ashamed. If being an Eagle connoted any sort of social leadership, there should be a public effort by Eagle scouts to overturn this policy. I am aware of no such effort, which is disappointing.


There was the Coalition for Inclusive Scouting and Scouting for All, which are a bit inactive. I wore their knot proudly 'til now (though my uniform will stay in the closet for a bit, methinks).

Privately, keep writing letters and arguing with your Council Executive. My local one is pretty DADT about it, which I respect given the ex oficio restrictions on him, but it's still not good enough.

coeyagi: Most people I know in Scouting are still on the fence about their participation but will probably NOT walk since they are heavily involved and see it as a 90/10 issue


I used to be 90/10, but it's not good enough for me any more. For me, it's as if they decided they needed to kick out all kids with two bellybuttons. I feel like a jerk just saying I'm a scout, and I HATE national for that.
 
2012-07-19 01:55:55 PM

unatnaes: Privately, keep writing letters and arguing with your Council Executive. My local one is pretty DADT about it, which I respect given the ex oficio restrictions on him, but it's still not good enough.


Thanks. My contribution to date has been limited to fuming about it. I will send a letter, for starters. Change for the scouts will probably have to come from within.
 
2012-07-19 02:25:59 PM

OneFretAway: unatnaes: Privately, keep writing letters and arguing with your Council Executive. My local one is pretty DADT about it, which I respect given the ex oficio restrictions on him, but it's still not good enough.

Thanks. My contribution to date has been limited to fuming about it. I will send a letter, for starters. Change for the scouts will probably have to come from within.


I agree 100%. I've been writing to NESA, BSA, OA and my Council/Lodge. Keep fuming, but channel that heat at the right places!
 
2012-07-19 02:32:28 PM

pudding7: As an Eagle Scout, this makes me sad.


This.
/Eagle Scout.
 
2012-07-19 02:45:28 PM

unatnaes: OneFretAway: unatnaes: Privately, keep writing letters and arguing with your Council Executive. My local one is pretty DADT about it, which I respect given the ex oficio restrictions on him, but it's still not good enough.

Thanks. My contribution to date has been limited to fuming about it. I will send a letter, for starters. Change for the scouts will probably have to come from within.

I agree 100%. I've been writing to NESA, BSA, OA and my Council/Lodge. Keep fuming, but channel that heat at the right places!


*fistbump* I certainly will.
 
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