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2012-07-17 10:51:29 AM  
If Republicans didn't exist, it would be necessary to invent them.
 
2012-07-17 10:52:06 AM  

CPT Ethanolic: What would CA look like if pensions weren't invested into the scam that is wall street? See what happens when you put pensions into the private sector and the private sector goes tits up?


Swing and a miss.

Is there some "6 degrees to Kevin bacon" game you guys like to play to see how quickly you can blame wall street?

Let's see, how can we blame wall street for the mess? Let's review the facts - we overspend and give unreasonable pensions to public sector workers, we tie our feet together by passing ridiculous popular vote amendments that eliminate our ability to raise property taxes, we irresponsibly raise spending during a housing boom and then forget to reduce it when the bubble pops. We take losses on the assets in our already underfunded pension plans that calpers invested in stocks and bon......THAT'S IT!!! We lost money on investments and even though our pension plan manager (calpers and calsters) are public agencies, investments sounds pretty wall streety to me, therefore it's all their fault! Greedy bankers!
 
2012-07-17 10:52:58 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Mrtraveler01: So this is why the Washington Examiner has to literally give away their newspaper for free at Metro stops.

Didn't the Right Honorable Reverend Emperor Doctor Galactic President Superstar McAwesomeville Sun Myung Kevin Phillips BONG! M-O-O-N Spells "Narcissistic Whackjob" have to sell the paper a few years back for $1? (Or did he buy it back for $1?)

Either way, go be crazy somewhere else.

// and someone poison Cal Thomas already
// or send him to a goddamn speech coach


Dang. I always get the Times and the Examiner confused. And now I've wasted an awesome jokery of Emperor Moon's name and credentials. So I guess that means I have to marry the rotund broad from HR on my lunch hour. Crap.

// had my eye on the redhead in Business Development
 
2012-07-17 10:53:09 AM  

odinsposse: Slaves2Darkness: Sadly Republicans are no longer conservatives, not sure what we should call them, but not conservatives.

Feudalists? They do adhere to the Southern culture of a handful rich, adored, landowners ruling over a mass of poorly educated people who think "Hey, at least I'm not a slave. That means I can be rich too someday!" That was essentially Americans trying to emulate European feudal culture.


All it takes is a dollar and a dream
 
2012-07-17 10:54:37 AM  
Going out Californy way. Here they got some derp out there.
 
2012-07-17 10:54:40 AM  

Super Chronic: Hey folks, since the article refers to "California, where no non-cyborg Republican has been elected governor since 1994," I'm pretty sure the author is aware of both Schwarzenegger and Reagan, so y'all can stop posting about that.


That actually makes it worse. That means his argument is "California is totally liberal since there was a whole four years between Republican governors."
 
2012-07-17 10:56:10 AM  
Didn't they have a Republican governor just a few years ago?
 
2012-07-17 10:57:00 AM  
If Republicans didn't exist, quickmeme.com would take a hit as well as gun sales. I'm pretty sure there would be fetus landfills if I heard Limbaugh correctly, and our population would be on a much better trajectory towards sustainability.

Other things a GOP-less existence would afford us:

-Less bib sales for frothing stupidity
-Less Facebook infographics spewing lies about Obamacare
-Less gay people living in fear
-Less muslims living in fear
-Less hate crimes
-More Starbucks
-Less McDonald's
-More NPR
-Less AM Talk Radio
-Less air pollutants
-More MPG
-Less Bud Light
-More Yuengling
 
2012-07-17 10:57:07 AM  
What a bunch of hogwash. The state has been run most of the time by a Republican over the past century. Why do people let the republicans disavow their own leadership and results?

California's Governors
 
2012-07-17 10:57:35 AM  

odinsposse: Super Chronic: Hey folks, since the article refers to "California, where no non-cyborg Republican has been elected governor since 1994," I'm pretty sure the author is aware of both Schwarzenegger and Reagan, so y'all can stop posting about that.

That actually makes it worse. That means his argument is "California is totally liberal since there was a whole four years between Republican governors."


Not commenting on the merits of the article, just pointing out that people can dispense with the "you forgot about Arnold and Ronnie!?!" posts. (But Arnie was pretty damn ineffectual against the legislature and the voters, so there's that.)
 
2012-07-17 10:57:46 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: CPT Ethanolic: What would CA look like if pensions weren't invested into the scam that is wall street? See what happens when you put pensions into the private sector and the private sector goes tits up?

Swing and a miss.

Is there some "6 degrees to Kevin bacon" game you guys like to play to see how quickly you can blame wall street?

Let's see, how can we blame wall street for the mess? Let's review the facts - we overspend and give unreasonable pensions to public sector workers, we tie our feet together by passing ridiculous popular vote amendments that eliminate our ability to raise property taxes, we irresponsibly raise spending during a housing boom and then forget to reduce it when the bubble pops. We take losses on the assets in our already underfunded pension plans that calpers invested in stocks and bon......THAT'S IT!!! We lost money on investments and even though our pension plan manager (calpers and calsters) are public agencies, investments sounds pretty wall streety to me, therefore it's all their fault! Greedy bankers!


Remember folks, it's the teacher's that are greedy, getting those "unreasonable" pensions, not the folks on Wall sXSreet making hundreds of times more. Please direct your anger accordingly.
 
2012-07-17 10:58:33 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-17 10:58:40 AM  

Hobodeluxe: California isn't as liberal as people think. The voted down gay marriage.
They've put several Republicans in the gov's mansion.
Aside from a few liberal enclaves the majority is red.


The Hobo is correct. It's a red state with two blue population centers that skew the elections.

/Cali resident for nearly 40 years now, lived North, South, and Central
 
2012-07-17 10:59:55 AM  
The redder the state the poorer the state, the fatter the state, the more AIDs ridden the state, the less educated the state, the more diabetic the state...
 
2012-07-17 11:01:23 AM  
Take a look at the CA budget process for the last ten years, and tell me Republicans were not involved. Also, Prop 13.
 
2012-07-17 11:02:37 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: CPT Ethanolic: What would CA look like if pensions weren't invested into the scam that is wall street? See what happens when you put pensions into the private sector and the private sector goes tits up?

Swing and a miss.

Is there some "6 degrees to Kevin bacon" game you guys like to play to see how quickly you can blame wall street?

Let's see, how can we blame wall street for the mess? Let's review the facts - we overspend and give unreasonable pensions to public sector workers, we tie our feet together by passing ridiculous popular vote amendments that eliminate our ability to raise property taxes, we irresponsibly raise spending during a housing boom and then forget to reduce it when the bubble pops. We take losses on the assets in our already underfunded pension plans that calpers invested in stocks and bon......THAT'S IT!!! We lost money on investments and even though our pension plan manager (calpers and calsters) are public agencies, investments sounds pretty wall streety to me, therefore it's all their fault! Greedy bankers!


This falsifies the statement that the state's pensions were invested in in the private market in what way?
 
2012-07-17 11:02:39 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Remember folks, it's the teacher's that are greedy, getting those "unreasonable" pensions, not the folks on Wall sXSreet making hundreds of times more. Please direct your anger accordingly.


I'm pretty sure he's a professional shill.
 
2012-07-17 11:04:57 AM  

Super Chronic: odinsposse: Super Chronic: Hey folks, since the article refers to "California, where no non-cyborg Republican has been elected governor since 1994," I'm pretty sure the author is aware of both Schwarzenegger and Reagan, so y'all can stop posting about that.

That actually makes it worse. That means his argument is "California is totally liberal since there was a whole four years between Republican governors."

Not commenting on the merits of the article, just pointing out that people can dispense with the "you forgot about Arnold and Ronnie!?!" posts. (But Arnie was pretty damn ineffectual against the legislature and the voters, so there's that.)


The biggest problem Arnie had was with his own party. Also you're forgetting Pete Wilson and George Deukmejian.
 
2012-07-17 11:05:40 AM  
One example of why California is broke:
Link
 
2012-07-17 11:06:34 AM  
Canada
 
2012-07-17 11:07:31 AM  

make me some tea: themindiswatching: See what happens when voters keep the stae from raising revenue while forcing it to spend money?

Thread over.


Yep. This state's problems have nothing to do with red vs. blue and everything to do with idiot voters and terrible pension investments.
 
2012-07-17 11:07:48 AM  

spiderpaz: Oh yes - California is terrible. All the sunshine and year-around crops and culture and technology is such a burden. DON'T move to California. It's just the worst. If I could only muster the $50 or so it would cost to buy a double wide in the mid west, I would definitely do it ... I just can't afford the $30 heater that I'd have to put under it to keep the pipes from freezing 6 months out of the year.

All these views from mountain tops and beaches and valleys are just terrible. I'd much rather be living in flyover country where everything looks flat and uniform in every direction.

And the government IS the worst. They don't even try to force pregnant women to be penetrated by ultra-sounds when they don't accept the Lord Jesus. Can you believe it? And I remember when I went to public school they made us take all these books home to learn "math" and "science" with ... all I need is my Bible to know how the earth was made.

And the public museums and parks and universities ... they're everywhere. What a WASTE. Do you know how many dollar trees that could have built?


So all that means California has no economic problems?

The scenery in Cali being nice has nothing to do with the political party in control of the government, whereas the tax rates and massively in debt state budget probably do have something to do with who's running the state. But yeah the scenery is really nice there so let's ignore the economic failure and laugh at the flyover states!

/article is dumb...plenty of Republicans in California...much better example would be the northeast like Mass or Vermont
//wonder how they're doing economically and tax wise...bet they even have those science and math books we hear so much about that only exist in California I guess
 
2012-07-17 11:08:30 AM  
DNRTFA, but CA doesn't even seem to make the top 10 list of most Democratic states these days.

/for example
//or this
 
2012-07-17 11:08:43 AM  
If there were no Republicans the country would look like:
russthorne.kohlarn.com

/Spending much more than you bring in.....just how does that work?
 
2012-07-17 11:09:22 AM  

Fart_Machine: Philip Francis Queeg: Remember folks, it's the teacher's that are greedy, getting those "unreasonable" pensions, not the folks on Wall sXSreet making hundreds of times more. Please direct your anger accordingly.

I'm pretty sure he's a professional shill.


Nah, just someone who thoroughly buys into the theory that the wealthy are all noble, honorable people who are intrinsically better than everyone else as proven by the fact that they have large amounts of money.
 
2012-07-17 11:09:25 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Remember folks, it's the teacher's that are greedy, getting those "unreasonable" pensions, not the folks on Wall sXSreet making hundreds of times more. Please direct your anger accordingly.


I don't think he mentioned teachers once. We kind of do have that problem though, in Illinois too. We do spend too much on public employee pensions. If you have a private sector pension (and nobody does any more, by the way) and your company goes tits up or experiences hardship they reduce your payout. In California (and Illinois) it's written into the state Constitution that your pension cannot be reduced. Math be damned, use the taxpayers like a piggy-bank. The people who clean road-kill off the side of the road shouldn't be making $70k+ a year and be eligible for pensions after a measly 20 years of work.
 
2012-07-17 11:10:25 AM  

js34603: The scenery in Cali being nice has nothing to do with the political party in control of the government, whereas the tax rates and massively in debt state budget probably do have something to do with who's running the state.


You realize that a budget can't get passed without a 2/3 majority right?
 
2012-07-17 11:11:37 AM  
Wasn't it the Republicans who brought in Proposition 13, which is currently crippling our tax revenue stream? And made laws that made it hard to raise taxes but easy to increase spending? Yes? Case closed.
 
2012-07-17 11:12:17 AM  

Fart_Machine: Also you're forgetting Pete Wilson and George Deukmejian.


I didn't write the article. But in any event, which of Wilson or Deukmejian do you think was elected after 1994?
 
2012-07-17 11:13:25 AM  

Fark It: Philip Francis Queeg: Remember folks, it's the teacher's that are greedy, getting those "unreasonable" pensions, not the folks on Wall sXSreet making hundreds of times more. Please direct your anger accordingly.

I don't think he mentioned teachers once. We kind of do have that problem though, in Illinois too. We do spend too much on public employee pensions. If you have a private sector pension (and nobody does any more, by the way) and your company goes tits up or experiences hardship they reduce your payout. In California (and Illinois) it's written into the state Constitution that your pension cannot be reduced. Math be damned, use the taxpayers like a piggy-bank. The people who clean road-kill off the side of the road shouldn't be making $70k+ a year and be eligible for pensions after a measly 20 years of work.


Yes, it's your neighbor who works for the government that must be dragged down to your level. Rather than work to improve your situation, destroy theirs out of envy. Focus your anger on the real enemy, the guy who keeps your street from being covered with road kill. His greed is what is holding you back. His elite status is the problem.
 
2012-07-17 11:13:42 AM  
Author looks like a total douche. Fix your own state. Our is just fine tyvm.
 
2012-07-17 11:14:28 AM  

wildcardjack: Traditionally we needed to have Republicans for their brains and Democrats for their hearts, but it seems to have turned all zombie brain eaters vs Temple of Doom heart rippers lately.

[hollywoodhatesme.files.wordpress.com image 267x260]

What a GOP vetting session looks like


I laugh every time I see that.
 
2012-07-17 11:16:19 AM  
You talk like both parties aren't owned by the same companies.
 
2012-07-17 11:16:54 AM  

The Banana Thug: Wasn't it the Republicans who brought in Proposition 13, which is currently crippling our tax revenue stream? And made laws that made it hard to raise taxes but easy to increase spending? Yes? Case closed.


Proposition 13 was a ballot initiative approved by the majority of voters in California, garnering almost 65% of the popular vote. It's a terrible law.

You can't really blame it on Republicans (or the politicians), you have to blame it on the voters in California, who are the ones mostly responsible for the state's budget situation.
 
2012-07-17 11:18:13 AM  
A better speculation would be, I wonder what California would look like without Proposition 13 on the books.
 
2012-07-17 11:19:06 AM  

Fark It: Philip Francis Queeg: Remember folks, it's the teacher's that are greedy, getting those "unreasonable" pensions, not the folks on Wall sXSreet making hundreds of times more. Please direct your anger accordingly.

I don't think he mentioned teachers once. We kind of do have that problem though, in Illinois too. We do spend too much on public employee pensions. If you have a private sector pension (and nobody does any more, by the way) and your company goes tits up or experiences hardship they reduce your payout. In California (and Illinois) it's written into the state Constitution that your pension cannot be reduced. Math be damned, use the taxpayers like a piggy-bank. The people who clean road-kill off the side of the road shouldn't be making $70k+ a year and be eligible for pensions after a measly 20 years of work.


Why not? Back-breaking labor, in all kinds of heat (that I hear you have in CA), earthquake risks (but they have those in every state), risks of crazy-ass CA drivers (with no insurance - hooray!), politicians salivating over what pet projects they can reduce your pension to buy... Besides which, they provide a public service. It doesn't seem too tough a row to hoe to service them in their twilight years, especially if they spent 20 years in public service. I'd also like to see a citation that a roadkill-cleaner pulls in $70k/year (unless you pile benefits - like a pension - in there, too).

Also, "if a company goes tits up" doesn't really apply. If the state of California "goes tits up", the (50?) millions of people who live there have bigger problems than how healthy a 35-year old ditch-digger's pension is.

// and are we using the same funny math that puts the USPS in "insolvency" every year?
// IIRC, USPS now has to fund 75 years' worth of pensions up front, which seems a bit excessive
 
2012-07-17 11:19:54 AM  

Fart_Machine: rumpelstiltskin: That guy has no idea how California works.

People who believe California only consists of Los Angeles and San Francisco.


i586.photobucket.com

And Luthorville, Lextown, and Otisburg.
 
2012-07-17 11:21:59 AM  

what_now: [www.statesymbolsusa.org image 330x326]

/except for that one, but he was a mistake and we're fixing that.


How is it that we got the bay state, but rhode island got the entire farkin ocean? Especially since RI is pretty much just one huge bay.
 
2012-07-17 11:22:36 AM  

Dr Dreidel: // IIRC, USPS now has to fund 75 years' worth of pensions up front, which seems a bit excessive


That's something congress saddled them with in order to make an argument that the USPS should be disbanded in favor of it costing $12.95 to send grandma a letter.
 
MFL
2012-07-17 11:24:00 AM  
California, Illinois, Michigan.........All bankrupt.......All democrat cestpools.

You see children, when your economic religion is based on biting and shaming the hand that feeds you.......eventually that hand waves buh bye and leaves you with the bill.

Progressivism....what a fiscally childish and naive ideology.....lol
 
2012-07-17 11:24:08 AM  
If Republicans didn't exist we could have real discussions in government instead of making fart noises.
 
2012-07-17 11:24:32 AM  
California is in such a mess because its peoples want all the amenities of a civilized taxed society...without the necessary taxes.

You don't get to put stuff on a 'referendum' and then put taxes on a second one.

And shame on the California politicians that have allowed this to go on for as long as they have. They know better.
 
2012-07-17 11:25:17 AM  

Jackson Herring: How is it that we got the bay state, but rhode island got the entire farkin ocean? Especially since RI is pretty much just one huge bay.


First to declare independence, b*tches, so we got first dibs on the name. We got ours.
 
2012-07-17 11:25:39 AM  
Also, if you want to see an ideal 'Democrat' state, go look at Vermont.
 
2012-07-17 11:25:51 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Yes, it's your neighbor who works for the government that must be dragged down to your level.


Yes, because I personally hate everyone who works for the government, and wanting to have more money set aside for healthcare for poor people and capital improvements makes me a terrible person.

Rather than work to improve your situation, destroy theirs out of envy.

Strawman.

Focus your anger on the real enemy, the guy who keeps your street from being covered with road kill. His greed is what is holding you back. His elite status is the problem.

It's a problem when public employees have far, far more generous pension plans than anybody else in this country, and it's irritating when any discussion about this inevitably turns to class-warfare, ad hominem personal attacks, and wild jumping to conclusions. Believing that the costs of public employee pensions and the pie-in-the-sky benefits that some of them get needs to be addressed hardly makes me a tea party republican, or even conservative for that matter.
 
2012-07-17 11:28:30 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Fark It: Philip Francis Queeg: Remember folks, it's the teacher's that are greedy, getting those "unreasonable" pensions, not the folks on Wall sXSreet making hundreds of times more. Please direct your anger accordingly.

I don't think he mentioned teachers once. We kind of do have that problem though, in Illinois too. We do spend too much on public employee pensions. If you have a private sector pension (and nobody does any more, by the way) and your company goes tits up or experiences hardship they reduce your payout. In California (and Illinois) it's written into the state Constitution that your pension cannot be reduced. Math be damned, use the taxpayers like a piggy-bank. The people who clean road-kill off the side of the road shouldn't be making $70k+ a year and be eligible for pensions after a measly 20 years of work.

Yes, it's your neighbor who works for the government that must be dragged down to your level. Rather than work to improve your situation, destroy theirs out of envy. Focus your anger on the real enemy, the guy who keeps your street from being covered with road kill. His greed is what is holding you back. His elite status is the problem.


Not to mention that the best way for a government to balance its books and serve its citizens is to abandon its contractual obligations whenever they become inconvenient or burdensome down the road. The best governments are run like ruthless, amoral, cutthroat businesses.

/Piling on
 
2012-07-17 11:28:45 AM  

sweetmelissa31: Jackson Herring: How is it that we got the bay state, but rhode island got the entire farkin ocean? Especially since RI is pretty much just one huge bay.

First to declare independence, b*tches, so we got first dibs on the name. We got ours.


I mean RI is definitely cute
 
2012-07-17 11:30:25 AM  

qorkfiend: Debeo Summa Credo: CPT Ethanolic: What would CA look like if pensions weren't invested into the scam that is wall street? See what happens when you put pensions into the private sector and the private sector goes tits up?

Swing and a miss.

Is there some "6 degrees to Kevin bacon" game you guys like to play to see how quickly you can blame wall street?

Let's see, how can we blame wall street for the mess? Let's review the facts - we overspend and give unreasonable pensions to public sector workers, we tie our feet together by passing ridiculous popular vote amendments that eliminate our ability to raise property taxes, we irresponsibly raise spending during a housing boom and then forget to reduce it when the bubble pops. We take losses on the assets in our already underfunded pension plans that calpers invested in stocks and bon......THAT'S IT!!! We lost money on investments and even though our pension plan manager (calpers and calsters) are public agencies, investments sounds pretty wall streety to me, therefore it's all their fault! Greedy bankers!

This falsifies the statement that the state's pensions were invested in in the private market in what way?


It doesn't falsify it at all. It points to the absurdity of blaming the fact that pensions funds were invested in the market for california's fiscal problems.

Every pension plan, insurance company, college or charitable
foundation endowment, etc., puts their assets into investments. Why shouldnt calpers or calsters? Over the long term, these funds earn a return that help meet the pension or other obligations. The alternative is
to just stuff the pension fund assets in a mattress. Is that what you'd have them do?

Meanwhile, there are other actual problems with the way California is run that are actually causing the issues. You dopes will ignore those while chasing a red herring about investments.
 
2012-07-17 11:30:54 AM  
oh snap, subby! LOL
 
2012-07-17 11:31:23 AM  

Fark It: It's a problem when public employees have far, far more generous pension plans than anybody else in this country, and it's irritating when any discussion about this inevitably turns to class-warfare, ad hominem personal attacks, and wild jumping to conclusions. Believing that the costs of public employee pensions and the pie-in-the-sky benefits that some of them get needs to be addressed hardly makes me a tea party republican, or even conservative for that matter.


Yes it is a problem. But perhaps rather than asking yourself why the government employees have good pension systems, you should be asking yourself why private sector workers don't. Perhaps you should focus on improving benefits for those in the private sector rather than removing benefits for others.
 
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